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(ZDNet)   Demonoid.com broke no laws in the US so, naturally, it was subjected to an illegal attack and then promptly nuked from orbit at the behest of the United States government. USA USA USA   (zdnet.com) divider line 173
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2012-08-06 02:49:45 PM  
well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?
 
2012-08-06 02:50:25 PM  
Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA
 
2012-08-06 02:52:32 PM  

Aarontology: Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA


I wonder if the US government launched the DDOS attack?
 
2012-08-06 02:57:11 PM  

Weaver95: Aarontology: Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA

I wonder if the US government launched the DDOS attack?


The DDOS attack? No idea. Pressuring Ukraine to keep the servers down? No doubt at all.
 
2012-08-06 03:00:10 PM  

Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology: Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA

I wonder if the US government launched the DDOS attack?

The DDOS attack? No idea. Pressuring Ukraine to keep the servers down? No doubt at all.


this is the sort of cooperation i'd expect to see used against say...a terrorist attack or an illegal drug running operation. I am utterly floored at the sheer amount of resources that are being expended to shut down file trading sites.
 
2012-08-06 03:52:15 PM  

Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology: Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA

I wonder if the US government launched the DDOS attack?

The DDOS attack? No idea. Pressuring Ukraine to keep the servers down? No doubt at all.

this is the sort of cooperation i'd expect to see used against say...a terrorist attack or an illegal drug running operation. I am utterly floored at the sheer amount of resources that are being expended to shut down file trading sites.


It does boggle the mind. Big money and big business.
 
2012-08-06 04:09:04 PM  

Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?


Pirate Bay it is!
 
2012-08-06 04:09:35 PM  
Link
Giz has a story on it as well.
 
2012-08-06 04:15:09 PM  

Raharu: Link
Giz has a story on it as well.


this depresses me.
 
2012-08-06 04:16:41 PM  

Apok451: Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?

Pirate Bay it is!


Their search sucks. Demonoid was great, because I could quickly see the latest torrents in specific sub-categories (Like "Books->Magazines"). Demonoid also had a great community and malware was far less rampant than on other torrent sites.
 
2012-08-06 04:16:43 PM  
Demonoid sucked ass anyway...
 
2012-08-06 04:17:38 PM  

LesserEvil: Apok451: Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?

Pirate Bay it is!

Their search sucks. Demonoid was great, because I could quickly see the latest torrents in specific sub-categories (Like "Books->Magazines"). Demonoid also had a great community and malware was far less rampant than on other torrent sites.


*sigh*

yeah. I found demonoid to be very user friendly.
 
2012-08-06 04:18:51 PM  

LesserEvil: Apok451: Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?

Pirate Bay it is!

Their search sucks. Demonoid was great, because I could quickly see the latest torrents in specific sub-categories (Like "Books->Magazines"). Demonoid also had a great community and malware was far less rampant than on other torrent sites.


I know, but it will have to work in the meantime. I much prefer Demonoid, the files tend to be much better quality.
 
2012-08-06 04:21:55 PM  
I found things on Demonoid in one day that I'd spent 10 years looking elsewhere for. I hope they get back up, and soon.

Kind of an odd thing for Ukraine to suck up to the US on. The West is giving them crap for their human rights record, and what do they do to curry favor? Go after a torrent site. At least they know who to suck up to. Money always trumps ideals.
 
2012-08-06 04:22:01 PM  

Apok451: Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?

Pirate Bay it is!


i like kickasstorents and eztv. i HAVE to download stuff because i dont live anywhere i cant watch it. it's my only choice if i want to watch breaking bad, or anything new.
 
2012-08-06 04:22:14 PM  

Weaver95: *sigh*

yeah. I found demonoid to be very user friendly.


Apok451: I know, but it will have to work in the meantime. I much prefer Demonoid, the files tend to be much better quality.


The other problem I have with The Pirate Bay is the magnetic links. I use a proxy service, so magnetic links don't work (not sure WhyTF that is), so I have to use a conversion service to convert them to regular torrent links.
 
2012-08-06 04:22:34 PM  
Demonoid torrents were no different than any other.. That shiat is like webring at this point.. Everyone thinks Demonoid was private, but it was public as shiat.

There will be only one god among torrent sites and that little piggy went Oink Oink Oink down in history..
 
2012-08-06 04:23:12 PM  
Ukraine is a signatory to the Berne Convention, so no one's mind should be boggling at all:
Article 5
Rights Guaranteed: 1. Outside the country of origin
(1) Authors shall enjoy, in respect of works for which they are protected under this Convention, in countries of the Union other than the country of origin, the rights which their respective laws do now or may hereafter grant to their nationals, as well as the rights specially granted by this Convention.

and
Article 16
Infringing Copies: 1. Seizure
(1) Infringing copies of a work shall be liable to seizure in any country of the Union where the work enjoys legal protection.


And, in line with Berne, Ukrainian copyright law protects importation of infringing works, and protects rights of foreign persons and "stateless persons" - i.e. corporations.
 
2012-08-06 04:25:20 PM  

some_beer_drinker: Apok451: Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?

Pirate Bay it is!

i like kickasstorents and eztv. i HAVE to download stuff because i dont live anywhere i cant watch it. it's my only choice if i want to watch breaking bad, or anything new.


Personally, I find it easier and quicker to get TV shows and movies from the "other" (the service that shall not be named) source.... of course, I do pay for premium servers and even some of the index sites (like newzbin2.es), but I never have issues getting WEB-DLs of Breaking Bad, for example, within hours of broadcast.
 
2012-08-06 04:25:35 PM  

Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology: Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA

I wonder if the US government launched the DDOS attack?

The DDOS attack? No idea. Pressuring Ukraine to keep the servers down? No doubt at all.

this is the sort of cooperation i'd expect to see used against say...a terrorist attack or an illegal drug running operation. I am utterly floored at the sheer amount of resources that are being expended to shut down file trading sites.


That's where turrorists get their money
 
2012-08-06 04:28:19 PM  

Fano: Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology: Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA

I wonder if the US government launched the DDOS attack?

The DDOS attack? No idea. Pressuring Ukraine to keep the servers down? No doubt at all.

this is the sort of cooperation i'd expect to see used against say...a terrorist attack or an illegal drug running operation. I am utterly floored at the sheer amount of resources that are being expended to shut down file trading sites.

That's where turrorists get their money


that makes no sense.
 
2012-08-06 04:29:54 PM  
So without Demonoid, where should one look for a torrents..

isohunt is a shell of its former self...

piratebay is on its way to the same...

Audio books and Comics are my vice.
 
2012-08-06 04:31:07 PM  
youwouldn'tdownloadacar.jpg
 
2012-08-06 04:32:05 PM  

frestcrallen: youwouldn'tdownloadacar.jpg


f*ck you, I would if I could.
 
2012-08-06 04:32:34 PM  

Raharu: So without Demonoid, where should one look for a torrents..

isohunt is a shell of its former self...

piratebay is on its way to the same...

Audio books and Comics are my vice.


Audible is pretty good for the former. So is iTunes.
 
2012-08-06 04:33:01 PM  

frestcrallen: youwouldn'tdownloadacar.jpg


I would if I had the right drivers.
 
2012-08-06 04:35:12 PM  

Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?


Use Google search?
 
2012-08-06 04:35:24 PM  
What's sad is yes, people should get paid for their work. And yes, the industry needs to play catch up to make it easier to get their stuff. But no matter if they do or not, they will never be able to make up for the loss of revenue from physical media, for better or for worse. I doubt anyone is crying, but I hate to see small artists hurt, especially ones that can't tour or don't tour due to the nature of their art.


/yeah yeah yeah, I'll get flamed , but I'm just being realistic.
//agrees that the U.S. Gov't should be getting involved on this level
 
2012-08-06 04:35:59 PM  
Gah, I mean "shouldn't"
 
2012-08-06 04:36:16 PM  

Raharu: So without Demonoid, where should one look for a torrents..

isohunt is a shell of its former self...

piratebay is on its way to the same...

Audio books and Comics are my vice.


There are several sites that specialize in audiobooks, ebooks and comics.
 
2012-08-06 04:36:24 PM  

Theaetetus: Raharu: So without Demonoid, where should one look for a torrents..

isohunt is a shell of its former self...

piratebay is on its way to the same...

Audio books and Comics are my vice.

Audible is pretty good for the former. So is iTunes.


Netflix and Steam have pretty much ended my pirating of video games, and most tv shows and movies, with the exception being older hard to find shiat that is long out of circulation, but audible... most audio books in the 40$ range.... nope.bmp
 
2012-08-06 04:37:04 PM  

Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology: Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA

I wonder if the US government launched the DDOS attack?

The DDOS attack? No idea. Pressuring Ukraine to keep the servers down? No doubt at all.

this is the sort of cooperation i'd expect to see used against say...a terrorist attack or an illegal drug running operation. I am utterly floored at the sheer amount of resources that are being expended to shut down file trading sites.


Torrent sites don't shoot back. They get to use all their fancy toys with no risk.
 
2012-08-06 04:38:16 PM  

Raharu: Theaetetus: Raharu: So without Demonoid, where should one look for a torrents..

isohunt is a shell of its former self...

piratebay is on its way to the same...

Audio books and Comics are my vice.

Audible is pretty good for the former. So is iTunes.

Netflix and Steam have pretty much ended my pirating of video games, and most tv shows and movies, with the exception being older hard to find shiat that is long out of circulation, but audible... most audio books in the 40$ range.... nope.bmp


Text-to-speech program? :)
 
2012-08-06 04:41:38 PM  
The article says they broke no Ukrainian law, but how did you come to the conclusion that they broke no US law?
 
2012-08-06 04:42:06 PM  
I'm looking for a good book torrent site. I have a great private site that covers the rest of my needs, but I want ebooks.
 
2012-08-06 04:43:59 PM  
But if we are gona mention totally legit sites.

http://www.graphicaudio.net/
Link

I Love the Post apoc series "Deathlands"... its about 100 books long and I purchased the MP3s for about 45 of them.


The DC comics stuff they have is fantastic as well...

http://www.graphicaudio.net/p-516-batman-inferno.aspx a href="http://" target="_blank"> http://www.graphicaudio.net/p-516-batman-inferno.aspx Listen to the Free Audio Preview... the jokers voice is sooooo good. I get Shivers...
 
2012-08-06 04:45:16 PM  

Raharu: http://www.graphicaudio.net/p-516-batman-inferno.aspx


Derp

Link
That Joker Voice...
 
2012-08-06 04:46:51 PM  
At least the feds bothered to include the locals this time.. Of course by including, I mean threatening and intimidating them into doing the dirty work.
 
2012-08-06 04:48:12 PM  

debug: The article says they broke no Ukrainian law, but how did you come to the conclusion that they broke no US law?


Subby said "broke no laws in the US" - i.e., not referring to US laws, but referring to their location at the time of breaking said laws. The question becomes one of jurisdiction, not legality.
 
2012-08-06 04:48:14 PM  
This statement kind of worries me:
Investigators copied all the information from Demonoid's servers, and sealed them
 
2012-08-06 04:52:29 PM  
Theaetetus: Ukraine is a signatory to the Berne Convention, so no one's mind should be boggling at all:
Article 5
Rights Guaranteed: 1. Outside the country of origin
(1) Authors shall enjoy, in respect of works for which they are protected under this Convention, in countries of the Union other than the country of origin, the rights which their respective laws do now or may hereafter grant to their nationals, as well as the rights specially granted by this Convention.
and
Article 16
Infringing Copies: 1. Seizure
(1) Infringing copies of a work shall be liable to seizure in any country of the Union where the work enjoys legal protection.

And, in line with Berne, Ukrainian copyright law protects importation of infringing works, and protects rights of foreign persons and "stateless persons" - i.e. corporations.


It sounds a lot like you have no idea what service Demonoid or, indeed, any other torrent search engine actually provides. No infringing works of any kind were sent to/from the Demonoid web servers affected by this attack and raid. There were no works to seize; no copyrighted data was imported to or exported from the country.

While possibly an edge case, as with any torrent search engine in nearly any country, no laws currently on the books were broken, strictly speaking. If the situation was otherwise, you can be certain that charges would have been filed -- former Soviet states like Ukraine are not exactly known for their kid-gloves approach to crime unless they are properly bribed.
 
2012-08-06 04:55:24 PM  
Downloading content that you would otherwise have to pay for is illegal no matter how you want to spin it.
 
2012-08-06 04:55:25 PM  

Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?


Yay Obama! Global Anarchy!
 
2012-08-06 04:55:54 PM  
We run out of Al Queda #2s already?
 
2012-08-06 04:57:30 PM  

Weaver95: frestcrallen: youwouldn'tdownloadacar.jpg

f*ck you, I would if I could.


You wouldn't shoot a policeman. And then steal his helmet. You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet. And then send it to the policeman's grieving widow. And then steal it again!
 
2012-08-06 04:57:33 PM  

consider this: Downloading content that you would otherwise have to pay for is illegal no matter how you want to spin it.


What about content you DID pay for, but want to rewatch (TV episodes).

/Or content you DON'T have to pay for (TV again)
 
2012-08-06 04:58:50 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: What's sad is yes, people should get paid for their work. And yes, the industry needs to play catch up to make it easier to get their stuff. But no matter if they do or not, they will never be able to make up for the loss of revenue from physical media, for better or for worse. I doubt anyone is crying, but I hate to see small artists hurt, especially ones that can't tour or don't tour due to the nature of their art.


/yeah yeah yeah, I'll get flamed , but I'm just being realistic.
//agrees that the U.S. Gov't should be getting involved on this level


The system cannot change if major industries just use the government to keep their antiquated monopoly going
 
2012-08-06 05:02:55 PM  
I guess the part I'm not clear on is why everyone believes the U.S. government was behind this, beyond some vague and circumstantial allegations.
 
2012-08-06 05:03:21 PM  

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: What about content you DID pay for, but want to rewatch (TV episodes).

/Or content you DON'T have to pay for (TV again)



If it's available on network TV, I don't see a problem.
 
2012-08-06 05:03:21 PM  

debug: The article says they broke no Ukrainian law, but how did you come to the conclusion that they broke no US law?


It's against the law to drink when you're under the age of 21 in the US but it's lower in other countries, does that mean that if I drank at the age of 20 in Canada as a Canadian could the US authorities come and arrest me?
 
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