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(ZDNet)   Demonoid.com broke no laws in the US so, naturally, it was subjected to an illegal attack and then promptly nuked from orbit at the behest of the United States government. USA USA USA   (zdnet.com) divider line 173
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2012-08-06 05:06:48 PM  

wmoonfox: It sounds a lot like you have no idea what service Demonoid or, indeed, any other torrent search engine actually provides. No infringing works of any kind were sent to/from the Demonoid web servers affected by this attack and raid. There were no works to seize; no copyrighted data was imported to or exported from the country.

While possibly an edge case, as with any torrent search engine in nearly any country, no laws currently on the books were broken, strictly speaking. If the situation was otherwise, you can be certain that charges would have been filed -- former Soviet states like Ukraine are not exactly known for their kid-gloves approach to crime unless they are properly bribed.


You do know that you don't actually have to be the person infringing to be liable, right?

Requirements of Vicarious Infringement Liability
i. Party can control/supervise the premises where infringement occurs; and
ii. obtain direct financial benefit from the infringement

Requirements of Contributory Infringement Liability
1. with knowledge of infringement,
2. induces, causes, or materially contributes to infringement

and willful blindness in the the face of information suggesting infringement counts as knowledge for contributory infringement
 
2012-08-06 05:07:16 PM  

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: consider this: Downloading content that you would otherwise have to pay for is illegal no matter how you want to spin it.

What about content you DID pay for, but want to rewatch (TV episodes).

/Or content you DON'T have to pay for (TV again)


So much this. I have Entourage episodes, used to pay for HBO for years and pay for cable. I use it to demo games and will delete and buy if good. I pay for cable, why can't I download shows I missed? Rather than wait or pay thru the nose to RENT a DVR from said cable company.
 
2012-08-06 05:08:20 PM  

wmoonfox: Theaetetus: Ukraine is a signatory to the Berne Convention, so no one's mind should be boggling at all:
Article 5
Rights Guaranteed: 1. Outside the country of origin
(1) Authors shall enjoy, in respect of works for which they are protected under this Convention, in countries of the Union other than the country of origin, the rights which their respective laws do now or may hereafter grant to their nationals, as well as the rights specially granted by this Convention.
and
Article 16
Infringing Copies: 1. Seizure
(1) Infringing copies of a work shall be liable to seizure in any country of the Union where the work enjoys legal protection.

And, in line with Berne, Ukrainian copyright law protects importation of infringing works, and protects rights of foreign persons and "stateless persons" - i.e. corporations.

It sounds a lot like you have no idea what service Demonoid or, indeed, any other torrent search engine actually provides.


Yes, you can tell this by the way I quoted an international treaty. Clearly, quoting a treaty indicates that I don't know about the technology involved.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your comment because, based on that sentence, there was no point. Would you like to try again, without being a condescending douchebag?
 
2012-08-06 05:12:07 PM  

Theaetetus: wmoonfox: Theaetetus: Ukraine is a signatory to the Berne Convention, so no one's mind should be boggling at all:
Article 5
Rights Guaranteed: 1. Outside the country of origin
(1) Authors shall enjoy, in respect of works for which they are protected under this Convention, in countries of the Union other than the country of origin, the rights which their respective laws do now or may hereafter grant to their nationals, as well as the rights specially granted by this Convention.
and
Article 16
Infringing Copies: 1. Seizure
(1) Infringing copies of a work shall be liable to seizure in any country of the Union where the work enjoys legal protection.

And, in line with Berne, Ukrainian copyright law protects importation of infringing works, and protects rights of foreign persons and "stateless persons" - i.e. corporations.

It sounds a lot like you have no idea what service Demonoid or, indeed, any other torrent search engine actually provides.

Yes, you can tell this by the way I quoted an international treaty. Clearly, quoting a treaty indicates that I don't know about the technology involved.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your comment because, based on that sentence, there was no point. Would you like to try again, without being a condescending douchebag?


Basically Demonoid hosts torrents, torrents basically tell your computer what seeds/peers to connect to who have 'pieces' to download to assemble into the file(s).

So they aren't hosting content.
 
2012-08-06 05:13:28 PM  
Theaetetus: Would you like to try again, without being a condescending douchebag?

Yeah, so when you open with something other than completely inapplicable international treaties and an appeal to authority that you certainly cannot back up, you can play the victim card. Until then, shove it up your ass.

I was merely pointing out that the citations you provided did not seem to apply to the situation at hand, but if you need me to call you a blathering farking idiot to make you feel better, I can do that, too.
 
2012-08-06 05:14:41 PM  
Meh...one set of thieves bumping off another set of thieves. My sympathy is all that it should be...i.e., none to speak of.
 
2012-08-06 05:15:22 PM  
That was the only account I had... and I haven't used it in years. Still, I just hooked up a new HTPC and it's faster to download the movies I have on DVD and especially Blu-Ray than it is to rip them.
 
2012-08-06 05:15:39 PM  
Let me put it another way, I have an all category invite only site that is revolutionary. But I want something more focused on Ebooks
 
2012-08-06 05:16:41 PM  
anybody got an invite for What.cd to share? I know it's not proper to say I will provide invite back for other places but I do have some private places I would trade for. I use to have access to What back in the day but I some how lost it due to inactivity.

/please and thank you
//RIP demonoid, at least I got more time out of you than Oink which shut down two weeks after I got on board.
 
2012-08-06 05:16:49 PM  
I just need to find something better than what I currently have for "protection", PeerGuardian... but I'm sure there are some sites out there with recommendations.
 
2012-08-06 05:23:30 PM  

phimuskapsi: Basically Demonoid hosts torrents, torrents basically tell your computer what seeds/peers to connect to who have 'pieces' to download to assemble into the file(s).

So they aren't hosting content.


Sure, but I never said they have to be... Ukrainian law allows seizures of materials used to facilitate copyright infringement, and Ukrainian law (in accordance with Berne), protects rights of foreign rightsholders. Yes, you can reply that Demonoid wasn't engaged in direct copyright infringement, but at best contributory infringement and at worst inducement, but that's a different argument from the original "why are US copyright law being enforced in the Ukraine?" They aren't: these are Ukrainian laws.
 
2012-08-06 05:26:13 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: What's sad is yes, people should get paid for their work. And yes, the industry needs to play catch up to make it easier to get their stuff. But no matter if they do or not, they will never be able to make up for the loss of revenue from physical media, for better or for worse. I doubt anyone is crying, but I hate to see small artists hurt, especially ones that can't tour or don't tour due to the nature of their art.


/yeah yeah yeah, I'll get flamed , but I'm just being realistic.
//agrees that the U.S. Gov't should be getting involved on this level


I agree. Piracy can't be honestly defended on the moral level. I'm guilty of it as well, and don't feel particularly bad about it, but it's still not a moral choice.

Best thing for everyone involved would be for smaller producers to cut out the middleman and market the stuff directly on the web. It's true that a lot of people who pirate something wouldn't have bought it anyway, but buying an album for 5 bucks directly from the band online would go a long way toward keeping the honest man honest.
 
2012-08-06 05:26:39 PM  
craphound.com
 
2012-08-06 05:28:31 PM  

phimuskapsi: So much this. I have Entourage episodes, used to pay for HBO for years and pay for cable. I use it to demo games and will delete and buy if good. I pay for cable, why can't I download shows I missed? Rather than wait or pay thru the nose to RENT a DVR from said cable company.


So you don't even have HBO but feel that it's your right to download HBO shows? So by your logic, everybody could sign up for HBO, cancel the next day and then have the right to pirate any of their shows. Yeah, no.
 
2012-08-06 05:28:42 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: What's sad is yes, people should get paid for their work. And yes, the industry needs to play catch up to make it easier to get their stuff. But no matter if they do or not, they will never be able to make up for the loss of revenue from physical media, for better or for worse. I doubt anyone is crying, but I hate to see small artists hurt, especially ones that can't tour or don't tour due to the nature of their art.


/yeah yeah yeah, I'll get flamed , but I'm just being realistic.
//agrees that the U.S. Gov't should be getting involved on this level


I'll stand with you on this. Flame away.
 
2012-08-06 05:29:18 PM  

Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?


A bit late, but Kickass Torrents and Pass the Popcorn together seemed to cover Demonoid's spread for movies/films.
 
2012-08-06 05:30:59 PM  

wmoonfox: Theaetetus: Would you like to try again, without being a condescending douchebag?

Yeah, so when you open with something other than completely inapplicable international treaties and an appeal to authority that you certainly cannot back up


I'm not sure you know what "appeal to authority" means, nor, based on this, do I think you understand what it means to "back something up". If I'm "appealing to authority" by citing relevant law, then isn't "backing it up" quoting the specific laws? Or is this something more fundamental about how you don't believe that laws exist or countries have sovereignty?

you can play the victim card.

Telling you that your comment was crass and irrelevant and giving you the opportunity to restate it isn't "playing the victim card". Do you even know what that term means?

I was merely pointing out that the citations you provided did not seem to apply to the situation at hand, but if you need me to call you a blathering farking idiot to make you feel better, I can do that, too.

Oh, please do. Please explain why a Ukrainian law and a treaty they're a signatory to regarding protection of copyright internationally don't apply to a situation about protecting copyright internationally. If you can successfully do that, then by all means, name-call away.

Alternately, if you'd like to apologize, we can have a reasonable discussion like adults, instead of you acting like a child and me laughing at you.

And finally, if you'd like to neither provide an explanation nor apologize, then you can stfu, because, as with the above, I'm not going to read your drivel.
 
2012-08-06 05:31:11 PM  

wmoonfox: Theaetetus: Ukraine is a signatory to the Berne Convention, so no one's mind should be boggling at all:
Article 5
Rights Guaranteed: 1. Outside the country of origin
(1) Authors shall enjoy, in respect of works for which they are protected under this Convention, in countries of the Union other than the country of origin, the rights which their respective laws do now or may hereafter grant to their nationals, as well as the rights specially granted by this Convention.
and
Article 16
Infringing Copies: 1. Seizure
(1) Infringing copies of a work shall be liable to seizure in any country of the Union where the work enjoys legal protection.

And, in line with Berne, Ukrainian copyright law protects importation of infringing works, and protects rights of foreign persons and "stateless persons" - i.e. corporations.

It sounds a lot like you have no idea what service Demonoid or, indeed, any other torrent search engine actually provides. No infringing works of any kind were sent to/from the Demonoid web servers affected by this attack and raid. There were no works to seize; no copyrighted data was imported to or exported from the country.

While possibly an edge case, as with any torrent search engine in nearly any country, no laws currently on the books were broken, strictly speaking. If the situation was otherwise, you can be certain that charges would have been filed -- former Soviet states like Ukraine are not exactly known for their kid-gloves approach to crime unless they are properly bribed.


Didn't they have a direct download link?
 
2012-08-06 05:32:19 PM  

consider this: phimuskapsi: So much this. I have Entourage episodes, used to pay for HBO for years and pay for cable. I use it to demo games and will delete and buy if good. I pay for cable, why can't I download shows I missed? Rather than wait or pay thru the nose to RENT a DVR from said cable company.

So you don't even have HBO but feel that it's your right to download HBO shows? So by your logic, everybody could sign up for HBO, cancel the next day and then have the right to pirate any of their shows. Yeah, no.


If you have HBO through your cable, plus OnDemand, an Xbox, or a computer, you can sign up for HBO Now (or whatever it is called) and watch any episode of (just about) any HBO show ever broadcast.
 
2012-08-06 05:34:45 PM  

consider this: phimuskapsi: So much this. I have Entourage episodes, used to pay for HBO for years and pay for cable. I use it to demo games and will delete and buy if good. I pay for cable, why can't I download shows I missed? Rather than wait or pay thru the nose to RENT a DVR from said cable company.

So you don't even have HBO but feel that it's your right to download HBO shows? So by your logic, everybody could sign up for HBO, cancel the next day and then have the right to pirate any of their shows. Yeah, no.


No I downloaded it when I was paying for HBO. I tend to download new stuff I missed or old stuff that can't be found on TV anymore.
 
2012-08-06 05:35:48 PM  

BgJonson79: wmoonfox: Theaetetus: Ukraine is a signatory to the Berne Convention, so no one's mind should be boggling at all:
Article 5
Rights Guaranteed: 1. Outside the country of origin
(1) Authors shall enjoy, in respect of works for which they are protected under this Convention, in countries of the Union other than the country of origin, the rights which their respective laws do now or may hereafter grant to their nationals, as well as the rights specially granted by this Convention.
and
Article 16
Infringing Copies: 1. Seizure
(1) Infringing copies of a work shall be liable to seizure in any country of the Union where the work enjoys legal protection.

And, in line with Berne, Ukrainian copyright law protects importation of infringing works, and protects rights of foreign persons and "stateless persons" - i.e. corporations.

It sounds a lot like you have no idea what service Demonoid or, indeed, any other torrent search engine actually provides. No infringing works of any kind were sent to/from the Demonoid web servers affected by this attack and raid. There were no works to seize; no copyrighted data was imported to or exported from the country.

While possibly an edge case, as with any torrent search engine in nearly any country, no laws currently on the books were broken, strictly speaking. If the situation was otherwise, you can be certain that charges would have been filed -- former Soviet states like Ukraine are not exactly known for their kid-gloves approach to crime unless they are properly bribed.

Didn't they have a direct download link?


Actually, looking into the law (linked above) a bit more, it's pretty broad. Article 50(f) provides protection against any action which poses a "threat" of copyright infringement. Certainly, providing URIs of copyrighted files would count.
 
2012-08-06 05:40:03 PM  

Weaver95: f*ck you, I would if I could.


Agreed. The minute I can download the plans for a classic Shelby Cobra and import them into my 3D printer, I'm doing it.
 
2012-08-06 05:46:00 PM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: anybody got an invite for What.cd to share? I know it's not proper to say I will provide invite back for other places but I do have some private places I would trade for. I use to have access to What back in the day but I some how lost it due to inactivity.

/please and thank you
//RIP demonoid, at least I got more time out of you than Oink which shut down two weeks after I got on board.


I don't have What.cd but I have a place that's pretty nice, we should discuss this.

/EIP.
 
2012-08-06 05:47:10 PM  
Tracking down out-of-print gaming books is going to be more difficult now.

Now I'm even more annoyed that Paizo can't sell old issues of Dragon and Dungeon any more.
 
kab
2012-08-06 05:49:06 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: What's sad is yes, people should get paid for their work. And yes, the industry needs to play catch up to make it easier to get their stuff. But no matter if they do or not, they will never be able to make up for the loss of revenue from physical media, for better or for worse. I doubt anyone is crying, but I hate to see small artists hurt, especially ones that can't tour or don't tour due to the nature of their art.


Agreed. But it's always humorous to see folks who will defend to the death the whole ever-noble "I download music, but support the artists by going to live shows" schtick. Ok, you won't pay 12 bucks for a disc that you can listen to over and over, but you'll pay for a one time viewing of a band, handing a middleman that brings absolutely nothing to the table artistically money for a 'ticket service charge' in the process?

Got it.
 
2012-08-06 05:51:01 PM  

Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology: Well, the US Government on behest of the RIAA/MPAA

I wonder if the US government launched the DDOS attack?

The DDOS attack? No idea. Pressuring Ukraine to keep the servers down? No doubt at all.

this is the sort of cooperation i'd expect to see used against say...a terrorist attack or an illegal drug running operation. I am utterly floored at the sheer amount of resources that are being expended to shut down file trading sites.


Never has there been a time in history where "artists" have had so much protection for their finished crafts. We call all scrapbook in confidence knowing these are the of best times for artists.
 
2012-08-06 05:53:29 PM  
It's kinda funny how assumptions are taken as fact when they fit the "Internet Cool-Guy" narrative. On a site famous for combing through articles with a fine-toothed comb to find even the SLIGHTEST contradictory detail, it's a little funny to see US involvement taken absolutely for granted, despite the fact that the Ukranian government led and executed the attack. Was the US involved? Yeah, probably, I'm not naive enough to completely discount it, but the headline is still PRETTY misleading.

Magnanimous_J: Walt_Jizzney: What's sad is yes, people should get paid for their work. And yes, the industry needs to play catch up to make it easier to get their stuff. But no matter if they do or not, they will never be able to make up for the loss of revenue from physical media, for better or for worse. I doubt anyone is crying, but I hate to see small artists hurt, especially ones that can't tour or don't tour due to the nature of their art.


/yeah yeah yeah, I'll get flamed , but I'm just being realistic.
//agrees that the U.S. Gov't should be getting involved on this level

I agree. Piracy can't be honestly defended on the moral level. I'm guilty of it as well, and don't feel particularly bad about it, but it's still not a moral choice.


I take pretty massive umbrage with people who just can't admit that they're thieves. Particularly people who have to dig down into lower strata to justify it. Such as "This small-time game is available readily for download on the internet...but I really don't like the lead dev, so I'm gonna pirate it!! AND still take the moral highground!!"
 
2012-08-06 05:55:30 PM  
I have a camcorder. I just record everything straight in situ.

I have every movie and every tv show and every item of performance of any manner imaginable for the whole of history, in every language, all the time.
 
2012-08-06 06:00:39 PM  
In this day and age I have no problem streaming or DL'ing tv shows and I don't care if they are from HBO. Before Al douchey Gore invented the internet I believed in paying for cable service but now that it all comes into my home through the same line as my internet why the hell should I pay twice? Actors still make millions, movie studios still make profits, go cry your crocodile tears somewhere else, RIAA and MPAA. The market has changed and you refuse to adjust with it so forgive me if I laugh at you aloud as I try every movie, game, and song before I pay for it in order to reward good quality art and not pay for crap.
 
2012-08-06 06:00:40 PM  

kab: Ok, you won't pay 12 bucks for a disc that you can listen to over and over, but you'll pay for a one time viewing of a band, handing a middleman that brings absolutely nothing to the table artistically money for a 'ticket service charge' in the process?


odds are the band gets more of the money from ticket sales than from CD sales.
 
2012-08-06 06:23:15 PM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: anybody got an invite for What.cd to share? I know it's not proper to say I will provide invite back for other places but I do have some private places I would trade for. I use to have access to What back in the day but I some how lost it due to inactivity.

/please and thank you
//RIP demonoid, at least I got more time out of you than Oink which shut down two weeks after I got on board.


/EIP [but switch yahoo with gmail]
//interested in trade
 
2012-08-06 06:25:36 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: forgive me if I laugh at you aloud as I try every movie, game, and song before I pay for it in order to reward good quality art and not pay for crap.


So you are telling me that you honestly pirate a game, try it, and then pay for it with real money even though you already have a working copy of the game? And you do this with every game you decide to keep?

Really?
 
2012-08-06 06:30:16 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Ohlookabutterfly: forgive me if I laugh at you aloud as I try every movie, game, and song before I pay for it in order to reward good quality art and not pay for crap.

So you are telling me that you honestly pirate a game, try it, and then pay for it with real money even though you already have a working copy of the game? And you do this with every game you decide to keep?

Really?


I do. And others I know. Applies to anything I couldn't otherwise get for free and is available. If the powers that be have made it unavailable in my 'region', then it's fair game. Region locking is stupid.
 
2012-08-06 06:30:35 PM  

Romanes Eunt Domus: Tracking down out-of-print gaming books is going to be more difficult now.

Now I'm even more annoyed that Paizo can't sell old issues of Dragon and Dungeon any more.


tell me about it. that's mostly want I want - ebooks and the occasional odd programming application.
 
2012-08-06 06:30:58 PM  

timujin: If you have HBO through your cable, plus OnDemand, an Xbox, or a computer, you can sign up for HBO Now (or whatever it is called) and watch any episode of (just about) any HBO show ever broadcast.


Right, as long as you're a paying subscriber. As soon as you cancel your service, you lose access to that library of programming.
 
2012-08-06 06:31:38 PM  

Girion47: Let me put it another way, I have an all category invite only site that is revolutionary. But I want something more focused on Ebooks


You realize people talking about it is how they end up getting eventually brought down, right? Don't you ruin my site. DON'T YOU DO IT.
 
2012-08-06 06:41:45 PM  

Girion47: Let me put it another way, I have an all category invite only site that is revolutionary. But I want something more focused on Ebooks


I might know of something relevant to your interests. EIP
 
2012-08-06 06:42:10 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Ohlookabutterfly: forgive me if I laugh at you aloud as I try every movie, game, and song before I pay for it in order to reward good quality art and not pay for crap.

So you are telling me that you honestly pirate a game, try it, and then pay for it with real money even though you already have a working copy of the game? And you do this with every game you decide to keep?

Really?


Yes, really. If I can't get a demo for it. If it is a poor game I won't get too far into it. However, if it's as good as Portal? I will play my pirated copy all the way through and then buy a copy for myself and 3 friends for presents through steam.

I'm not kiddin and I think this is the only moral way to justify downloading before buying.
 
2012-08-06 07:05:42 PM  

Theaetetus: BgJonson79: wmoonfox: Theaetetus: Ukraine is a signatory to the Berne Convention, so no one's mind should be boggling at all:
Article 5
Rights Guaranteed: 1. Outside the country of origin
(1) Authors shall enjoy, in respect of works for which they are protected under this Convention, in countries of the Union other than the country of origin, the rights which their respective laws do now or may hereafter grant to their nationals, as well as the rights specially granted by this Convention.
and
Article 16
Infringing Copies: 1. Seizure
(1) Infringing copies of a work shall be liable to seizure in any country of the Union where the work enjoys legal protection.

And, in line with Berne, Ukrainian copyright law protects importation of infringing works, and protects rights of foreign persons and "stateless persons" - i.e. corporations.

It sounds a lot like you have no idea what service Demonoid or, indeed, any other torrent search engine actually provides. No infringing works of any kind were sent to/from the Demonoid web servers affected by this attack and raid. There were no works to seize; no copyrighted data was imported to or exported from the country.

While possibly an edge case, as with any torrent search engine in nearly any country, no laws currently on the books were broken, strictly speaking. If the situation was otherwise, you can be certain that charges would have been filed -- former Soviet states like Ukraine are not exactly known for their kid-gloves approach to crime unless they are properly bribed.

Didn't they have a direct download link?

Actually, looking into the law (linked above) a bit more, it's pretty broad. Article 50(f) provides protection against any action which poses a "threat" of copyright infringement. Certainly, providing URIs of copyrighted files would count.


And that right there is precisely why this "treaty" should be ignored.
Sorry, but laws should be narrow not broad because broad laws invite abuse.
This is an overly broad law.

As to what is wrong with one nation enforcing anothers laws.. it's pretty farking simple... suppose one nation agrees to enforce the laws of another nation, and then changes a law after the agreement. The people in that other nation now have no recourse but to abide by a law forced upon them by a nation in which they have no legal standing or right to protest.

But here we go... let me help illustrate the point. Let's say two nations agree to mutually enforce each other's laws. Country A and B are initially fine with this because they are close and have similar laws. But then suddenly Country B is taken over by radical religious fanatics who declare that any apostasy is now a felony.

By that treaty, country B is obligated to enforce a foreign law on their citizenry. A law that the citizenry of that nation do not agree with, but cannot alter because they can't even vote out the people that made that law that they disagree with... a law for a crime that isn't even a crime in their nation.

As such, if an act is not a crime in a nation, has not been declared a crime in that nation by duly elected reps of the people... then no... no treaty with any nation, anywhere, should ever trump local laws or piggy back on them.

If it's not a crime there... then no nation should enforce laws from another nation where it IS a crime unless the people of that nation decide to make it a crime.

To do otherwise is to invite the worst tyranny there is. It's tyranny of the unrepresentative and the unaccountable.

People need to start holding the RIAA and MPAA accountable for their actions. Tyrants historically get hung in the streets. Maybe that's what needs to happen to them.
 
2012-08-06 07:12:42 PM  

phimuskapsi: This statement kind of worries me:
Investigators copied all the information from Demonoid's servers, and sealed them


You're toast, dude. The RIAA/MPAA goons will be at your front door any moment how.
 
2012-08-06 07:19:55 PM  

Raharu: So without Demonoid, where should one look for a torrents..

isohunt is a shell of its former self...

piratebay is on its way to the same...

Audio books and Comics are my vice.


We are joined spirits in searching. Let me know what you find
 
2012-08-06 07:24:24 PM  

WhyteRaven74: kab: Ok, you won't pay 12 bucks for a disc that you can listen to over and over, but you'll pay for a one time viewing of a band, handing a middleman that brings absolutely nothing to the table artistically money for a 'ticket service charge' in the process?

odds are the band gets more of the money from ticket sales than from CD sales.


Right, people seem to think that artists actually got any of that money.
 
2012-08-06 07:25:03 PM  
Keep up the good fight, Herc.
www.theoi.com
 
2012-08-06 07:27:23 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Keep up the good fight, Herc.
[www.theoi.com image 356x247]


You realize you won that fight, right?
 
2012-08-06 07:34:07 PM  

1. Put snakes on plane: BumpInTheNight: Keep up the good fight, Herc.
[www.theoi.com image 356x247]

You realize you won that fight, right?


Yup.

Taking down file sharing site: Hacking off heads
Dragging the MPAA/RIAA into the 21rst century and adopting genuinely appealing online distribution models: Striking the heart
 
2012-08-06 07:35:11 PM  

Girion47: I don't have What.cd but I have a place that's pretty nice, we should discuss this.


What.cd is pretty incredible. You don't actually need an invite. You can go to their IRC and take a test to get in.

The test details things like bit rates, transcoding, etc.

Keep in mind that you will need to either have a seedbox or a PC on all the time in order to seed if you don't upload, because it's very competitive for ratio there.
 
2012-08-06 07:44:49 PM  
all because our government has big corps' cocks in their mouths.

USA USA USA...

*shakes head*
 
Ant
2012-08-06 07:48:01 PM  

Weaver95: well shiat...now what am I gonna do for torrents?


That's what I was wondering.
 
2012-08-06 07:54:30 PM  

Walt_Jizzney: What's sad is yes, people should get paid for their work. And yes, the industry needs to play catch up to make it easier to get their stuff. But no matter if they do or not, they will never be able to make up for the loss of revenue from physical media, for better or for worse. I doubt anyone is crying, but I hate to see small artists hurt, especially ones that can't tour or don't tour due to the nature of their art.


Torrenting helps small artists immensely by creating awareness that they exist.

Here's an example: An indie band that only tours locally in California puts out an album which gets downloaded on Demonoid. Some guy in Toronto downloads it and loves it. Now he might not buy the songs on iTunes, but he orders a couple shirts, tells his friends about them, posts about them on twitter, tumblr, etc. Those people go out and buy it on iTunes, buy the shirts, tell their friends, etc.

If that album hadn't been available on the torrents, none of those people would have sent any money to that band.
 
2012-08-06 08:00:15 PM  

Empty Matchbook: I take pretty massive umbrage with people who just can't admit that they're thieves.


Torrenting isn't stealing, it's infringement. Of copyright. Copyright infringement if you will.

Copyright violators just doesn't sound as sexy as pirates or thieves.
 
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