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2012-08-06 07:58:11 PM

Cletus C.: intelligent comment below: Cletus C.: Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?


I love how you make valid points, then realize your mistake and where it's leading you, so you have to create this strawman to pretend it invalidates what you said above it

If you preach hate of Muslims, then some Mosque's get torched, don't pretend you aren't an enabler of violence.

I see. If anything happens to Romney or one of his estates ....


Last I checked, ICB wasn't a well-known politician or a national news personality spewing hate for all to hear.
 
2012-08-06 07:58:18 PM

Cletus C.: If only someone had shown the courage to speak out against white supremacists and identify them as a security threat.

The Dems have fought valiantly to do just that, while Republicans have been too fearful of offending their Aryan brothers.

Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?


No. Egging on those that you can later dismiss is the despicable behavior
 
2012-08-06 07:59:11 PM

cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it


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2012-08-06 08:05:41 PM
So the count is up to "1"?
 
2012-08-06 08:07:32 PM
But seriously, white supremacists are like radiation. Not even their mothers love them. They sometimes get a missing-teethed, abused-by-father, firth-grade dropout babe to fight over but they're hated. By everybody.
 
2012-08-06 08:07:43 PM

ginandbacon: I wonder if anyone has any regrets about quashing it.


Quashing it? Those people are probably going to launch a Congressional investigation as to why this patriotic white citizen had been stalked by the Feds for a decade, simply for his political beliefs.

"The argument that diversity is our strength has really never been backed up by logic." -- Steve King, R-ightarded CoQsmoker, August 2nd, 2012
 
2012-08-06 08:15:03 PM

Mrbogey: intelligent comment below: So you're saying a report is useless if it doesn't describe 100% of the threats? You should volunteer your services to the FBI

"Be on the look out for a white male 6'2" with a moustache."

*Find 5'6" hispanic man with moustache*

"Well at least we got the moustache part right! Derp de doo!"



Because that's exactly what a report on extremists is designed for... could you be any more of an idiot?
 
2012-08-06 08:15:55 PM

Chimperror2: So the count is up to "1"?



This month. That the news has reported.
 
2012-08-06 08:17:15 PM

Vodka Zombie: Weaver95: Nadie_AZ:

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.

the 'we are a christian nation' people offend me on an almost genetic level. that is a demonstrably false allegation and it's something on a dominionist theologian would make up. it implies that ONLY christians are valid citizens of the US and that just pisses me the hell off.

Man... It's nice to see at least TWO people share my feelings.


Add me too
 
2012-08-06 08:17:55 PM

intelligent comment below: Cletus C.: Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?


I love how you make valid points, then realize your mistake and where it's leading you, so you have to create this strawman to pretend it invalidates what you said above it

If you preach hate of Muslims, then some Mosque's get torched, don't pretend you aren't an enabler of violence.


There were plenty of OWS arrests. Remember the bridge bombers? Sorry, but if OWS can deny violence even while they actively support the violence makers then surely those that disavow violence AND the people that actively engage in it have more moral authority to condemn it. Remember kids, Loughner and Holmes are left wingers but they somehow lose their tag when they pull a trigger. Not because they aren't left-wingers but because left-wingers dislike being painted with the broad brush they use for the right.
 
2012-08-06 08:19:09 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: I'm not killing people. I think if these people stopped legislating their beliefs, they stopped persecuting, I wouldn't care. Im perfectly happy to live along side everyone, but not when i have to wonder what it will take for my neighbor to start demanding laws that will throw me in jail. But as long as they are trying to install a religious theocracy, as long as they have majority support, I think I have every right to care.

You can care all you want. I never said otherwise.

But when you flat out admit your bigotry towards all Christians, your statements that you'll be happy to live alongside them ring hollow. But since you've normalized your hatred for them and justified it, I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.

Also, when you say things like "But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out."

It kinda makes it seem like you're at least considering violence. Because that kinda sounded like a freeper post against Muslims.


What if a person's 'bigotry' towards Christians is based in the fact that a belief in an imaginary sky wizard is demonstratively stupid, and makes it difficult to take them seriously? Couple that with the tendency of Christians in America to want to legislate based on made up stories from a 2000 year old death cult, and you've got fertile ground for what you might term 'bigotry.' However, true bigotry is based on traits which cannot be altered - race, gender, sexual preference, etc. A Christian most certainly can stop being a Christian at any point in time. Therefore the argument is against his BELIEFS, not who he is as a person.

You might look at it as not liking someone for a personality flaw which isn't fixed... they could work on it and become a better person if they wanted, but they don't see the problem so they do not change.
 
2012-08-06 08:20:26 PM
*fixed as in permanent
 
2012-08-06 08:22:23 PM

Chimperror2: There were plenty of OWS arrests. Remember the bridge bombers? Sorry, but if OWS can deny violence even while they actively support the violence makers then surely those that disavow violence AND the people that actively engage in it have more moral authority to condemn it. Remember kids, Loughner and Holmes are left wingers but they somehow lose their tag when they pull a trigger. Not because they aren't left-wingers but because left-wingers dislike being painted with the broad brush they use for the right.



That's funny considering OWS kicked them out for wanting to incite violence. But keep farking that chicken

Loughner was a gold standard government conspiracy theorist nut libertarian

I have no idea what Holmes was but if you can find proof of his political leanings good luck with that

The difference between left extremists and right extremists is the left throws paint on fur and torches parking lots full of SUVs while the right assassinates and tortures.
 
2012-08-06 08:29:28 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Therion: Motherfarker should have followed his leader.

I'm surprised this guy didn't know most neo-Nazi orgs are populated with FBI informants.

I continued to be surprised the FBI didn't know what this guy was planning.


I thought I read his landlord's mother said his girlfriend broke up with him...
 
2012-08-06 08:34:04 PM
I'll just leave this here.

Link
 
2012-08-06 08:36:04 PM

The Name: I'd argue that


Then kindly do so. Damn, this has to be my least favorite phrase of all time. Sorry, this phrase sets my teeth on edge and, generally, when I hear it, I'm in front of a judge and I can't biatch slap the utterer.
 
2012-08-06 08:45:33 PM

intelligent comment below:

The difference between left extremists and right extremists is the left throws paint on fur and torches parking lots full of SUVs while the right assassinates and tortures.


Wait. I thought "not doing what a Republican wants you to do for him/her right now" qualified as extremism from the left.
 
2012-08-06 08:46:14 PM
I prefer Christianofascists rather than right wing extremists.
 
2012-08-06 08:53:22 PM

intelligent comment below: Because that's exactly what a report on extremists is designed for... could you be any more of an idiot?


Well I could be you...
 
2012-08-06 08:54:41 PM

Cletus C.: But seriously, white supremacists are like radiation. Not even their mothers love them. They sometimes get a missing-teethed, abused-by-father, firth-grade dropout babe to fight over but they're hated. By everybody.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic (which would mean you actually like white supremacists) or if you're doing one of those 5th-grade-esque course reversals in a desperate attempt to keep everyone from thinking you're an idiot.
 
2012-08-06 08:54:55 PM

timmmmah!: Aarontology: GAT_00: I'm not killing people. I think if these people stopped legislating their beliefs, they stopped persecuting, I wouldn't care. Im perfectly happy to live along side everyone, but not when i have to wonder what it will take for my neighbor to start demanding laws that will throw me in jail. But as long as they are trying to install a religious theocracy, as long as they have majority support, I think I have every right to care.

You can care all you want. I never said otherwise.

But when you flat out admit your bigotry towards all Christians, your statements that you'll be happy to live alongside them ring hollow. But since you've normalized your hatred for them and justified it, I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.

Also, when you say things like "But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out."

It kinda makes it seem like you're at least considering violence. Because that kinda sounded like a freeper post against Muslims.

What if a person's 'bigotry' towards Christians is based in the fact that a belief in an imaginary sky wizard is demonstratively stupid, and makes it difficult to take them seriously? Couple that with the tendency of Christians in America to want to legislate based on made up stories from a 2000 year old death cult, and you've got fertile ground for what you might term 'bigotry.' However, true bigotry is based on traits which cannot be altered - race, gender, sexual preference, etc. A Christian most certainly can stop being a Christian at any point in time. Therefore the argument is against his BELIEFS, not who he is as a person.

You might look at it as not liking someone for a personality flaw which isn't fixed... they could work on it and become a better person if they wanted, but they don't ...


I'm bigoted towards anyone who is stupid. Because I can't take them seriously. And I believe this post falls into that category.
 
2012-08-06 09:01:42 PM

Mikey1969: GAT_00: I'd also include a ChristianMississippi State Rep. Andy Gipson(R) who demanded that all LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi

FTFY...


He was using bible verses to justify it, so yes, he was a christian using christian doctrine to justify LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi.
 
2012-08-06 09:02:04 PM
Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?
 
2012-08-06 09:08:06 PM

cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?



So targeted assassinations of innocent people because of a persons religion or race is a weekly occurrence in Chicago? Link?
 
2012-08-06 09:16:40 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.


They also forget that freedom of speech doesn't protect you from the consequences of what you say. You're free to be a bigoted hatemonger, but you have no right to be offended when no one wants to include you when the grownups are talking.
 
2012-08-06 09:19:55 PM

cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?


Yeah, who gives a fark if a bunch of Sikh's got shot by a deranged white supremecist. Some black people in Chicago got shot this weekend!

/sarcasm btw
 
2012-08-06 09:24:18 PM

MorrisBird: The Name: I'd argue that

Then kindly do so. Damn, this has to be my least favorite phrase of all time. Sorry, this phrase sets my teeth on edge and, generally, when I hear it, I'm in front of a judge and I can't biatch slap the utterer.


Irregardless. I would take issue with that also. Be proactive and think outside the box and jump the shark. Your cognitive dissonance is ironic. It's also a one off.

/collection of phrases that annoy me
 
2012-08-06 09:27:54 PM

cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?


More Americans died of accidental shootings since 9/11 than on 9/11. Compare the news coverage on that gem.
 
2012-08-06 09:44:29 PM

GAT_00: For fark's sake, it wasn't serious! Do you think I'd advocate violence, and then turn around and call myself incompetent for it? Forgive the smart ass on a site dedicated to making fun of everything! That was the perfect moment for tongue in cheek, but because you are so utterly blind to anything except your own opinion of me, you couldn't see it! Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, and the point I've tried to make and you have ignored over and over again is I want anything but that. Why would someone who wants to stop mass murders turn around and advocate them? This entire thing has been the result of your utter hatred and close mindedness of me that you couldn't see farking snark!

Why the fark do I bother with you? No I don't advocate killing Christians, I don't advocate killing anyone! What I want is for them to stop passing laws on their religion.

Now, is it possible that I have convinced you, or is that even possible?


I thought you were being a prick but I didn't seriously think you advocated killing Christians.

On the other hand being a smart ass or not people like you would take it serious as hell if anyone on the right ever made a joke about killing anyone and hold it up as proof of how dangerous and potentially violent they were.

And don't pretend otherwise.
 
2012-08-06 09:48:10 PM

mrshowrules: cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?

More Americans died of accidental shootings since 9/11 than on 9/11. Compare the news coverage on that gem.


An incident involving thousands of people dying at the same time on national television got more press coverage than a series of accidents in which random people died one at a time?!?!?!

THE HORROR!111111
 
2012-08-06 09:48:16 PM

vernonFL: Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.


To be fair, I met a very nice, pleasant neo nazi. Through a Jewish friend.

/I have strange friends.
 
2012-08-06 09:49:52 PM
You guys(some of you) got it lucky. These crazy right wingers are easy to spot and usually have only small support groups within a community.

I, however, live in the heart of Dixie and I could throw a rock into a crowd and hit ten people who think this Wisconsin nutbag is a martyr.
 
2012-08-06 09:56:44 PM
It's really weird how everyone has piled on to GAT_00 for some reason in the last couple of weeks. While I don't always share his views I've never come across him saying anything that would strike me as any more authoritarian or weird than any of the regulars to the Politics Tab who aren't in the League of FAIL™. Maybe it's his stance on gun control? Sometimes I think gun people just need to understand that others don't share their passion for weapons.
 
2012-08-06 10:01:44 PM

andersoncouncil42: Mikey1969: GAT_00: I'd also include a ChristianMississippi State Rep. Andy Gipson(R) who demanded that all LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi

FTFY...

He was using bible verses to justify it, so yes, he was a christian using christian doctrine to justify LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi.


I figured the whole 'Christian' thing took a backseat to the fact that this asshole is an elected official. It's like we need an entrance exam for these farkers nowadays.
 
2012-08-06 10:13:22 PM

intelligent comment below: serial_crusher: Because it seems like the article is saying that DHS should have taken him off the streets already just because he was a veteran


That's exactly what nobody said. But good job claiming that, I bet you read it on a FW: FW: FW: FW:


Well I figured their argument hinged on the other points in that list, but I just copy/pasted the article's description of the guy.
 
2012-08-06 10:19:40 PM
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2012-08-06 10:23:34 PM
We must disarm all Americans at once! It is the only way...
 
2012-08-06 10:25:26 PM

Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules: cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?

More Americans died of accidental shootings since 9/11 than on 9/11. Compare the news coverage on that gem.

An incident involving thousands of people dying at the same time on national television got more press coverage than a series of accidents in which random people died one at a time?!?!?!

THE HORROR!111111


You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.
 
2012-08-06 10:30:44 PM

mrshowrules:

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.


Well, if this was a normal website, I would now realize that I was wrong and apologize. Since this is Fark I'm going to insult your mother.

/Your mother voted for Bachmann!
//And she LIKED IT!
 
2012-08-06 10:39:48 PM

Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules:

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.

Well, if this was a normal website, I would now realize that I was wrong and apologize. Since this is Fark I'm going to insult your mother.

/Your mother voted for Bachmann!
//And she LIKED IT!


I would have preferred my mother is a whore comment over that vile post.
 
2012-08-06 10:41:24 PM

Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules:

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.

Well, if this was a normal website, I would now realize that I was wrong and apologize. Since this is Fark I'm going to insult your mother.

/Your mother voted for Bachmann!
//And she LIKED IT!


Dude...that's low
 
2012-08-06 10:52:02 PM

Captain Steroid: Yes. :-(


Get out of my head.
 
2012-08-06 11:02:47 PM
TBH, I expected more of this stuff in Europe than here.
Guns may rain from the sky here, but the Right largely controls the country.
 
2012-08-06 11:40:38 PM

cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?


There are mass shootings going on every week in Chicago? Wow, media blackouts really work.
 
2012-08-06 11:44:36 PM

theorellior: It's really weird how everyone has piled on to GAT_00 for some reason in the last couple of weeks. While I don't always share his views I've never come across him saying anything that would strike me as any more authoritarian or weird than any of the regulars to the Politics Tab who aren't in the League of FAIL™. Maybe it's his stance on gun control? Sometimes I think gun people just need to understand that others don't share their passion for weapons.


Those are the same morons that are pissed off because grenade launchers and full auto machine guns can't be sold at Walmart.
 
2012-08-06 11:46:34 PM

Weaver95: Aarontology:
Must be one of those "It's ok when I do it, even if it goes against my own core beliefs" things like those Christians you hate so ...

GAT_00 is very much an authoritarian so he shares a lot of similar philosophical viewpoints with religious authoritarians. That said, he's more secular than religious. he'd use a similar methodology to impose his will on others, just without the theocratic trappings.


But I thought religion was the source of all conflict for all of human history!! Are you telling me it's just the most recent in a LONG series of excuses and that people in power will find ANY reason to war against others in power???

/science save us!!
 
2012-08-06 11:49:00 PM

ShawnDoc: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

2 incidents? The shooter at the Sikh temple and ?


The fire at the Joplin mosque is mighty suspicious...
 
2012-08-06 11:51:53 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00:

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.

education and making sure you let the religious nutballs have a public forum in which to rant to any/all who want to listen. education is important because you can show people why it's a bad idea to vote for religious crazy people and a public forum because when the religious nutters are ranting you know they're not quietly building a bomb in their backyards or stockpiling ammo for a murder spree.

There is no evidence that these people lose votes when they speak.

Romney sure seems to be losing votes.


He's not losing votes. Obama is gaining them.
 
2012-08-07 12:51:28 AM

Nadie_AZ: vernonFL: Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.

JT Ready. Can I toss in Russel Pearce? That idiot who shot Gabby?
How bout Kris Kobach? Who? Oh, they guy who write SB 1070 and is on Romney staff of advisers.


Jared loughner was not right wing you ignorant pos. Stop giving az a bad name.
 
2012-08-07 01:13:45 AM

theorellior: It's really weird how everyone has piled on to GAT_00 for some reason in the last couple of weeks. While I don't always share his views I've never come across him saying anything that would strike me as any more authoritarian or weird than any of the regulars to the Politics Tab who aren't in the League of FAIL™. Maybe it's his stance on gun control? Sometimes I think gun people just need to understand that others don't share their passion for weapons.


He also isn't much of a 1st amendment fan. And is a Penn State apologist.
 
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