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2012-08-06 02:10:20 PM
Yes. :-(
 
2012-08-06 02:11:43 PM
White Supremacists determined to strike in US.
 
2012-08-06 02:14:25 PM
I wonder if anyone has any regrets about quashing it.
 
2012-08-06 02:16:23 PM

ginandbacon: I wonder if anyone has any regrets about quashing it.


That would require a conscience.
 
2012-08-06 02:17:00 PM
Bush had a lot of years to educate these assholes, but, instead, he chose to exploit and capitalize on their hatred by stoking their ignorance and fear.
 
2012-08-06 02:18:05 PM
You mean using violence or the threat of violence to accomplish certain political, social, religious, or economic goals is terrorism?!?!? Since when?

/You know, besides since the farking dictionary was written
 
2012-08-06 02:23:00 PM
Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.
 
2012-08-06 02:23:01 PM

Vodka Zombie: Bush had a lot of years to educate these assholes, but, instead, he chose to exploit and capitalize on their hatred by stoking their ignorance and fear.


Um, I wouldn't blame him for this. Clinton had the crazies imagining the UN dropping troops all over in black helicopters and taking guns away and putting people in prison camps. On and on. I remember because I believed it. But they were upset about a 'New World Order'- in a speech given by George HW Bush. Anyways, they are the ones that bought the yellow magnets and trumpeted their patriotism the loudest after 9/11.

Their anger was turned towards 'them', no matter who they were. Remember 'you are either with us or you are against us'? That's eaten up by these people. Well, they'd spent 7 years being pissed off at muslim fascist democratic socialist terrorists when Obama was elected. With all the mis-information being passed around, these people turned it up to a 9. You only see a few of these guys going to 11 (JT Ready, this guy in Wisconsin), but they are there and they are jacked. And they preceded Bush.
 
2012-08-06 02:24:41 PM

vernonFL: Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.


JT Ready. Can I toss in Russel Pearce? That idiot who shot Gabby?
How bout Kris Kobach? Who? Oh, they guy who write SB 1070 and is on Romney staff of advisers.
 
2012-08-06 02:25:55 PM
I think we were told we should investigate brown people with scarves on their heads rather than God fearing right wing Americans.
 
2012-08-06 02:29:04 PM
Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it
 
2012-08-06 02:32:16 PM

cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it


Except that people like cman are always saying "Kos? WHAAARGARBL."

And besides - Kos didn't tell you so. The Department of Homeland Security did, and you scoffed. SCOFFED, I say.
 
2012-08-06 02:34:23 PM

cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it


We don't have to grandstand. We can investigate right wing extremists.
 
2012-08-06 02:37:22 PM
and this is before the possible arson at the missouri mosque today.
 
2012-08-06 02:37:38 PM
Oh I admit it. I'll grandstand.

What? Somebody has to.
 
2012-08-06 02:43:42 PM

rufus-t-firefly: And besides - Kos didn't tell you so. The Department of Homeland Security did, and you scoffed. SCOFFED, I say.


Not just scoffed, but created such a backlash that the report was retracted.
 
2012-08-06 02:45:36 PM

cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it


"By observing that they were racist wrong, you are actually the one who is racist wrong."

Is there nothing this rebuttal can't do?
 
2012-08-06 02:47:16 PM

sweetmelissa31: cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it

We don't have to grandstand. We can investigate right wing extremists.


What is it that we constantly hear from the right wing?

"If they are innocent, there's nothing to fear from an investigation."
 
2012-08-06 02:47:21 PM

ShawnDoc: rufus-t-firefly: And besides - Kos didn't tell you so. The Department of Homeland Security did, and you scoffed. SCOFFED, I say.

Not just scoffed, but created such a backlash that the report was retracted.


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There was also a similar DHS report on left-wing extremists. Funny how that one didn't generate more butthurt than a Penn State locker room.
 
2012-08-06 02:48:13 PM
Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.
 
2012-08-06 02:51:47 PM

Sgt Otter: ShawnDoc: rufus-t-firefly: And besides - Kos didn't tell you so. The Department of Homeland Security did, and you scoffed. SCOFFED, I say.

Not just scoffed, but created such a backlash that the report was retracted.

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There was also a similar DHS report on left-wing extremists. Funny how that one didn't generate more butthurt than a Penn State locker room.


Maybe it's because they're lagging behind their Neo-Nazi counterparts in their violent shenanegans.
 
2012-08-06 02:53:00 PM
Listen, I did not get any butthurt over the DHS releases.

I really didnt care at the time and I still dont.

I always assume that Christian militias and the white power folk are not to be trusted. Simple as that.
 
2012-08-06 02:55:07 PM

GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.


you know (sarcasm aside), I really hate it when you have a valid point. this does not look good for evangelical Christianity.
 
2012-08-06 02:56:06 PM
That report was nothing but a bald faced attempt at suppressing Republican voters
 
2012-08-06 02:59:14 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

you know (sarcasm aside), I really hate it when you have a valid point. this does not look good for evangelical Christianity.


He said extremist. Fundamentalism is not evangelical, is it?
 
2012-08-06 02:59:59 PM
Republicans objected to the fact that the majority of their tea bag supporters are a fringe group.
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2012-08-06 03:01:49 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

you know (sarcasm aside), I really hate it when you have a valid point. this does not look good for evangelical Christianity.

He said extremist. Fundamentalism is not evangelical, is it?


the definitions get a bit fuzzy. there's a LOT of crossover between the two groups. so I could have been a bit more clear in my phrasing. that said, there is a radical sect of christianity in this country that wouldn't shed a tear if every non-christian in the country suddenly keeled over and died tomorrow morning.
 
2012-08-06 03:05:20 PM

FlashHarry: and this is before the possible arson at the missouri mosque today.


It's going to get worse, sadly.

As pointless of an exercise as I see religion to be, I would never terrorize any group or individual's right to practice their religion in America. And, that's what makes me (and hopefully most Americans) better than the worthless, bedwetting cowards who resort to shooting up temples or burning down mosques or blowing up churches. There should be no room in America for people who do these things because we, as a nation, need to be better than that.

Unfortunately, we're currently not better, and with several Conservative politicians' rhetoric helping to fuel these terrorists, we're never going to be better.
 
2012-08-06 03:07:01 PM

cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it


Not so much "I told you so" as "maybe we ought to go back and look into this evident problem that the right wing shut down with a 1000 db whinefest when it was first suggested".
 
2012-08-06 03:07:40 PM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

you know (sarcasm aside), I really hate it when you have a valid point. this does not look good for evangelical Christianity.

He said extremist. Fundamentalism is not evangelical, is it?

the definitions get a bit fuzzy. there's a LOT of crossover between the two groups. so I could have been a bit more clear in my phrasing. that said, there is a radical sect of christianity in this country that wouldn't shed a tear if every non-christian in the country suddenly keeled over and died tomorrow morning.


Well, then they'd do to their Christian movement what they are doing to the GOP- redefine what it is to be Christian and non-Christian and divide themselves further and further. There is no way in hell my mormon homophobic bigoted aunt is ever going to accept a southern baptists view on things or acquiesce to their rules.
 
2012-08-06 03:10:50 PM

Nadie_AZ:

Well, then they'd do to their Christian movement what they are doing to the GOP- redefine what it is to be Christian and non-Christian and divide themselves further and further. There is no way in hell my mormon homophobic bigoted aunt is ever going to accept a southern baptists view on things or acquiesce to their rules.


welcome to the past 2000 years of history. we've been killing one another over various/sundry gods for a long time now. that said, the US has been able to largely avoid massive disruptions due to religions conflicts. well, at least as far as recent history goes. But...we're starting to see a shift among religions fundies in the US - they're getting more desperate.
 
2012-08-06 03:12:28 PM

GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.


2 incidents? The shooter at the Sikh temple and ?
 
2012-08-06 03:15:31 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

you know (sarcasm aside), I really hate it when you have a valid point. this does not look good for evangelical Christianity.


Sarcasm aside? Does that mean you're a fundamentalist on me, fundamentally opposed to me? Since I'm right, doesn't that make you somewhere near these people on the threat scale? These people share more than a few political opinions with you, or they are at least close every once in a while. I'm not aware of any they share with me.
 
2012-08-06 03:16:55 PM
Is there any evidence that this guy had planned any of his attack with others, or did he just go on the rampage on his own?
Because it seems like the article is saying that DHS should have taken him off the streets already just because he was a veteran, White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi, and leader of a white power music band.
None of those things are illegal, so I'd rather not have the DHS going around spying on people just because of their political views.

That said, yes there should be more than one person in the DHS dealing with domestic terrorism.
 
2012-08-06 03:17:03 PM

ShawnDoc: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

2 incidents? The shooter at the Sikh temple and ?


the suspected arson at a missouri mosque today. try to keep up.
 
2012-08-06 03:17:34 PM

ShawnDoc: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

2 incidents? The shooter at the Sikh temple and ?


Mosque in Missouri burned to the ground this morning.
 
2012-08-06 03:19:11 PM

ShawnDoc: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

2 incidents? The shooter at the Sikh temple and ?


Mosque burned down in Missouri.

I'd also include a Christian who demanded that all LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi and a state Constitutional Amendment set to pass by a wide margin in Missouri that bans non-Christian teaching.

I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.
 
2012-08-06 03:20:54 PM

serial_crusher: Is there any evidence that this guy had planned any of his attack with others, or did he just go on the rampage on his own?
Because it seems like the article is saying that DHS should have taken him off the streets already just because he was a veteran, White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi, and leader of a white power music band.
None of those things are illegal, so I'd rather not have the DHS going around spying on people just because of their political views.

That said, yes there should be more than one person in the DHS dealing with domestic terrorism.


Well, that would require a government job, so Republicans are fundamentally opposed to it, as well as Libertarians. After all, all government spending is bad.
 
2012-08-06 03:21:18 PM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ:

Well, then they'd do to their Christian movement what they are doing to the GOP- redefine what it is to be Christian and non-Christian and divide themselves further and further. There is no way in hell my mormon homophobic bigoted aunt is ever going to accept a southern baptists view on things or acquiesce to their rules.

welcome to the past 2000 years of history. we've been killing one another over various/sundry gods for a long time now. that said, the US has been able to largely avoid massive disruptions due to religions conflicts. well, at least as far as recent history goes. But...we're starting to see a shift among religions fundies in the US - they're getting more desperate.


No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.
 
2012-08-06 03:22:17 PM

GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.


Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.
 
2012-08-06 03:23:16 PM

Nadie_AZ:

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.


the 'we are a christian nation' people offend me on an almost genetic level. that is a demonstrably false allegation and it's something on a dominionist theologian would make up. it implies that ONLY christians are valid citizens of the US and that just pisses me the hell off.
 
2012-08-06 03:24:26 PM

GAT_00:
I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.


you aren't going to go out and shoot up a church or anything, are you?
 
2012-08-06 03:25:51 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/08/04/missouri-prayer-ame ndment-vote_n_1739968.html

Read down for how this will effectively ban non-Christian teaching.
 
2012-08-06 03:28:21 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.


Well it still is officially so as long as I'm being oppressed I'm free to hate.
 
2012-08-06 03:28:36 PM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ:

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.

the 'we are a christian nation' people offend me on an almost genetic level. that is a demonstrably false allegation and it's something on a dominionist theologian would make up. it implies that ONLY christians are valid citizens of the US and that just pisses me the hell off.


Man... It's nice to see at least TWO people share my feelings.
 
2012-08-06 03:28:56 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00:
I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

you aren't going to go out and shoot up a church or anything, are you?


I don't own a gun.
 
2012-08-06 03:31:17 PM

GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00:
I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

you aren't going to go out and shoot up a church or anything, are you?

I don't own a gun.


does it make you feel better or worse to know that there are a bunch of very devout christians who want to fight for your right to go out and buy a gun with no waiting period and almost zero restrictions or background checks on your purchase...?
 
2012-08-06 03:32:00 PM
Veterans do crazy shiat, ya gotta watch 'em like a hawk.
 
2012-08-06 03:32:21 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00:
I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

you aren't going to go out and shoot up a church or anything, are you?

I don't own a gun.

does it make you feel better or worse to know that there are a bunch of very devout christians who want to fight for your right to go out and buy a gun with no waiting period and almost zero restrictions or background checks on your purchase...?


Owning a firearm, IIRC, is not a right according to GAT
 
2012-08-06 03:32:31 PM

GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.

Well it still is officially so as long as I'm being oppressed I'm free to hate.


Gonna burn down a church or something? Your words about Christians are eerily similar to Michelle Bachmann's words about Muslims.
 
2012-08-06 03:33:01 PM
When Obama wins, the far right will go into an apoplectic rage. I mean, these are the people who said Clinton, a white, chubby, good old boy from Arkansas who was nicknamed "Bubba", was a murdering, drug dealing pederast.

Can you imagine what they'll come up with when the black guy named Hussein wins a second term? I think someone will take a shot at him. I hope I'm wrong. But if you read the mainstream conservative websites comments sections you'll see that kind of talk is commonplace.
 
2012-08-06 03:35:16 PM

dameron: When Obama wins, the far right will go into an apoplectic rage. I mean, these are the people who said Clinton, a white, chubby, good old boy from Arkansas who was nicknamed "Bubba", was a murdering, drug dealing pederast.

Can you imagine what they'll come up with when the black guy named Hussein wins a second term? I think someone will take a shot at him. I hope I'm wrong. But if you read the mainstream conservative websites comments sections you'll see that kind of talk is commonplace.


all I know is that the secret service has their hands full keeping Obama safe from religious nutballs and right wing fanatics who just wanna kill the black man in the white house. that, my friends, is a thankless job and i'm glad they're doing it.
 
2012-08-06 03:35:33 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.

Well it still is officially so as long as I'm being oppressed I'm free to hate.

Gonna burn down a church or something? Your words about Christians are eerily similar to Michelle Bachmann's words about Muslims.


I don't want to, and I have no intent on doing so.

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.
 
2012-08-06 03:36:15 PM

dameron: When Obama wins, the far right will go into an apoplectic rage. I mean, these are the people who said Clinton, a white, chubby, good old boy from Arkansas who was nicknamed "Bubba", was a murdering, drug dealing pederast.

Can you imagine what they'll come up with when the black guy named Hussein wins a second term? I think someone will take a shot at him. I hope I'm wrong. But if you read the mainstream conservative websites comments sections you'll see that kind of talk is commonplace.


Frankly I am surprised that no one has even gotten close so far. There are many white supremacists out there, and that scares the bejesus out of me. Secret Service definitely knows what they are doing.
 
2012-08-06 03:38:22 PM

GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.

Well it still is officially so as long as I'm being oppressed I'm free to hate.

Gonna burn down a church or something? Your words about Christians are eerily similar to Michelle Bachmann's words about Muslims.

I don't want to, and I have no intent on doing so.

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.


Well, I'd suggest voting, but the vast majority of people who run for office are Christians, and you hate them so that's not an option. Still, I wonder why you mock the people who hate Obama because of his race when you clearly hate him because of his faith.
 
2012-08-06 03:41:36 PM

GAT_00:

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.


education and making sure you let the religious nutballs have a public forum in which to rant to any/all who want to listen. education is important because you can show people why it's a bad idea to vote for religious crazy people and a public forum because when the religious nutters are ranting you know they're not quietly building a bomb in their backyards or stockpiling ammo for a murder spree.
 
2012-08-06 03:42:26 PM

FlashHarry: the suspected arson at a missouri mosque today. try to keep up.


pisceandreamer: Mosque in Missouri burned to the ground this morning.


Thanks guys. This is what happens when I only get my news from the front page at fark.
 
2012-08-06 03:43:03 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.

Well it still is officially so as long as I'm being oppressed I'm free to hate.

Gonna burn down a church or something? Your words about Christians are eerily similar to Michelle Bachmann's words about Muslims.

I don't want to, and I have no intent on doing so.

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.

Well, I'd suggest voting, but the vast majority of people who run for office are Christians, and you hate them so that's not an option. Still, I wonder why you mock the people who hate Obama because of his race when you clearly hate him because of his faith.


I haven't been a fan of the President for a while. But while he hasn't tried to, at least to a large degree, legislate his religion, I can't help but wonder if he would under the right conditions. As I see it, any Christian isn't that far off from fundamentalism. They all go off the same book after all.

His religion is down the list for why I don't like him though.
 
2012-08-06 03:44:55 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00:

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.

education and making sure you let the religious nutballs have a public forum in which to rant to any/all who want to listen. education is important because you can show people why it's a bad idea to vote for religious crazy people and a public forum because when the religious nutters are ranting you know they're not quietly building a bomb in their backyards or stockpiling ammo for a murder spree.


There is no evidence that these people lose votes when they speak.
 
2012-08-06 03:47:26 PM

GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00:

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.

education and making sure you let the religious nutballs have a public forum in which to rant to any/all who want to listen. education is important because you can show people why it's a bad idea to vote for religious crazy people and a public forum because when the religious nutters are ranting you know they're not quietly building a bomb in their backyards or stockpiling ammo for a murder spree.

There is no evidence that these people lose votes when they speak.


Romney sure seems to be losing votes.
 
2012-08-06 03:47:42 PM
Just remember: it's not terrorism when a white person does it.
 
2012-08-06 03:48:32 PM

GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.

Well it still is officially so as long as I'm being oppressed I'm free to hate.

Gonna burn down a church or something? Your words about Christians are eerily similar to Michelle Bachmann's words about Muslims.

I don't want to, and I have no intent on doing so.

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.

Well, I'd suggest voting, but the vast majority of people who run for office are Christians, and you hate them so that's not an option. Still, I wonder why you mock the people who hate Obama because of his race when you clearly hate him because of his faith.

I haven't been a fan of the President for a while. But while he hasn't tried to, at least to a large degree, legislate his religion, I can't help but wonder if he would under the right conditions. As I see it, any Christian isn't that far off from fundamentalism. They all go off the same book after all.

His religion is down the list for why I don't like him though.


Well then I don't understand why you particularly care which party wins. Both of them are vastly majority Christian, and you believe there's no difference between any Christian.

Still, I do appreciate you being so candid about your bigotry. It's refreshing to see someone being honest about their hatred. I do wonder hwy you find it acceptable to spew hate speech though, while you condemn others for saying essentially the same thing.

Must be one of those "It's ok when I do it, even if it goes against my own core beliefs" things like those Christians you hate so much. You're more alike than you realize.
 
2012-08-06 03:48:56 PM

Nadie_AZ: Clinton had the crazies imagining the UN dropping troops all over in black helicopters and taking guns away and putting people in prison camps. On and on. I remember because I believed it.


Serious question: WHY?
 
2012-08-06 03:51:08 PM

Aarontology:
Must be one of those "It's ok when I do it, even if it goes against my own core beliefs" things like those Christians you hate so ...


GAT_00 is very much an authoritarian so he shares a lot of similar philosophical viewpoints with religious authoritarians. That said, he's more secular than religious. he'd use a similar methodology to impose his will on others, just without the theocratic trappings.
 
2012-08-06 03:53:06 PM

eraser8: Nadie_AZ: Clinton had the crazies imagining the UN dropping troops all over in black helicopters and taking guns away and putting people in prison camps. On and on. I remember because I believed it.

Serious question: WHY?


Eh, old story of me being very conservative and very religious. I was born and raised mormon. I believed all of it. Couple that with finding Rush Limbaugh and AM Radio at just the right age and being married to someone from a rural town. And there you go.

/I got better
 
2012-08-06 03:55:51 PM

Weaver95: Aarontology:
Must be one of those "It's ok when I do it, even if it goes against my own core beliefs" things like those Christians you hate so ...

GAT_00 is very much an authoritarian so he shares a lot of similar philosophical viewpoints with religious authoritarians. That said, he's more secular than religious. he'd use a similar methodology to impose his will on others, just without the theocratic trappings.


Oh, of course. But because it's secular, he thinks his admitted bigotry and hatred is somehow better, or more justifiable Look at his "I'm oppressed so it's ok for me to hate" reasoning. It's the same thing as the whackjobs who think they're being oppressed because people are boycotting chicken joints.
 
2012-08-06 03:56:29 PM

Nadie_AZ: eraser8: Nadie_AZ: Clinton had the crazies imagining the UN dropping troops all over in black helicopters and taking guns away and putting people in prison camps. On and on. I remember because I believed it.

Serious question: WHY?

Eh, old story of me being very conservative and very religious. I was born and raised mormon. I believed all of it. Couple that with finding Rush Limbaugh and AM Radio at just the right age and being married to someone from a rural town. And there you go.

/I got better


Dont forget about Alex Jones
 
2012-08-06 03:56:57 PM

GAT_00: I haven't been a fan of the President for a while. But while he hasn't tried to, at least to a large degree, legislate his religion, I can't help but wonder if he would under the right conditions. As I see it, any Christian isn't that far off from fundamentalism. They all go off the same book after all.

His religion is down the list for why I don't like him though


I'm not sure Obama is really such a big believer. Unfortunately, in politics in America you have to be religious.
 
2012-08-06 03:57:38 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.

Well it still is officially so as long as I'm being oppressed I'm free to hate.

Gonna burn down a church or something? Your words about Christians are eerily similar to Michelle Bachmann's words about Muslims.

I don't want to, and I have no intent on doing so.

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.

Well, I'd suggest voting, but the vast majority of people who run for office are Christians, and you hate them so that's not an option. Still, I wonder why you mock the people who hate Obama because of his race when you clearly hate him because of his faith.

I haven't been a fan of the President for a while. But while he hasn't tried to, at least to a large degree, legislate his religion, I can't help but wonder if he would under the right conditions. As I see it, any Christian isn't that far off from fundamentalism. They all go off the same book after all.

His religion is down the list for why I don't like him though.

Well then I don't understand why you particularly care which party wins. Both of them are vastly majority Christian, and you believe there's no difference between any Christian.

Still, I do appreciate you being so candid about your bigotry. It's refreshing to see someone being honest about their hatred. I do wonder hwy you find it acceptable to spew hate speech though, while you condemn others for saying essentially the same thing.

Must be one of those "It's ok when I do it, even if it goes against my own core beliefs" things like those Christians you hate so much. You're more alike than you realize.


I'm not killing people. I think if these people stopped legislating their beliefs, they stopped persecuting, I wouldn't care. Im perfectly happy to live along side everyone, but not when i have to wonder what it will take for my neighbor to start demanding laws that will throw me in jail. But as long as they are trying to install a religious theocracy, as long as they have majority support, I think I have every right to care.
 
2012-08-06 03:58:37 PM

ShawnDoc: FlashHarry: the suspected arson at a missouri mosque today. try to keep up.

pisceandreamer: Mosque in Missouri burned to the ground this morning.

Thanks guys. This is what happens when I only get my news from the front page at fark.


i find that fark is faster than just about any news source. really. and funnier.
 
2012-08-06 03:59:41 PM
eraser8:
Serious question: WHY?


You never believed stupid stuff when you were young? Some people realize how stupid X is, and then look back wondering how they could have believed it.
 
2012-08-06 03:59:42 PM

cman: Nadie_AZ: eraser8: Nadie_AZ: Clinton had the crazies imagining the UN dropping troops all over in black helicopters and taking guns away and putting people in prison camps. On and on. I remember because I believed it.

Serious question: WHY?

Eh, old story of me being very conservative and very religious. I was born and raised mormon. I believed all of it. Couple that with finding Rush Limbaugh and AM Radio at just the right age and being married to someone from a rural town. And there you go.

/I got better

Dont forget about Alex Jones


Yeesh. Yeah. I feel bad for people who are so insecure that they are afraid of everything and angry at everybody else. It is sad to see.
 
2012-08-06 04:01:17 PM

Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology:
Must be one of those "It's ok when I do it, even if it goes against my own core beliefs" things like those Christians you hate so ...

GAT_00 is very much an authoritarian so he shares a lot of similar philosophical viewpoints with religious authoritarians. That said, he's more secular than religious. he'd use a similar methodology to impose his will on others, just without the theocratic trappings.

Oh, of course. But because it's secular, he thinks his admitted bigotry and hatred is somehow better, or more justifiable Look at his "I'm oppressed so it's ok for me to hate" reasoning. It's the same thing as the whackjobs who think they're being oppressed because people are boycotting chicken joints.


it's a common failing among authoritarians - they feel a compulsion to control the behavior of others. they tell themselves that what they are doing is for a 'greater good' or that they're oppressing the rights of others because 'people can't be trusted' to behave. the more people resist, the harder the authoritarian tries to crack down on dissident opinions. Religion is just window dressing, the problem is that authoritarians need to be actively resisted...and not everyone understands what it is they're really facing.

personally, I think authoritarians just need therapy (or the number of a very understanding and discrete dominatrix).
 
2012-08-06 04:03:02 PM
Hey knock yourselves out. Investigate any extremists you want. I'm pretty boring, but still - stop before you get to people like me.

thxbye
 
2012-08-06 04:03:36 PM

Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: Aarontology:
Must be one of those "It's ok when I do it, even if it goes against my own core beliefs" things like those Christians you hate so ...

GAT_00 is very much an authoritarian so he shares a lot of similar philosophical viewpoints with religious authoritarians. That said, he's more secular than religious. he'd use a similar methodology to impose his will on others, just without the theocratic trappings.

Oh, of course. But because it's secular, he thinks his admitted bigotry and hatred is somehow better, or more justifiable Look at his "I'm oppressed so it's ok for me to hate" reasoning. It's the same thing as the whackjobs who think they're being oppressed because people are boycotting chicken joints.

it's a common failing among authoritarians - they feel a compulsion to control the behavior of others. they tell themselves that what they are doing is for a 'greater good' or that they're oppressing the rights of others because 'people can't be trusted' to behave. the more people resist, the harder the authoritarian tries to crack down on dissident opinions. Religion is just window dressing, the problem is that authoritarians need to be actively resisted...and not everyone understands what it is they're really facing.

personally, I think authoritarians just need therapy (or the number of a very understanding and discrete dominatrix).


I like it when people who consistently slam me for misinterpreting their beliefs constantly make up feelings and opinions for me, and then spit out psycho babble to go along with the made up opinions.
 
2012-08-06 04:04:15 PM

GAT_00:
I like it when people who consistently slam me for misinterpreting their beliefs constantly make up feelings and opinions for me, and then spit out psycho babble to go along with the made up opinions.


yes...i'm sure you do.
 
2012-08-06 04:04:36 PM

Xaxor: You never believed stupid stuff when you were young?


Sure I did.

I used to think dogs were male and cats were female...which somewhat explains why the Tom & Jerry cartoons were always a bit disturbing to me: Tom was an aberration (still better than Jerry, though).

In any case, keep in mind I wasn't doubting that Nadie_AZ believed something quite ridiculous. I wanted to know specifically what led him to believe those things. Now he's told me.

Thanks for the answer by the way, Nadie_AZ.
 
2012-08-06 04:06:30 PM

eraser8: Thanks for the answer by the way, Nadie_AZ.


You are welcome.

/tom was an aberration
//i rooted for him so many times
 
2012-08-06 04:07:44 PM

GAT_00: I'm not killing people. I think if these people stopped legislating their beliefs, they stopped persecuting, I wouldn't care. Im perfectly happy to live along side everyone, but not when i have to wonder what it will take for my neighbor to start demanding laws that will throw me in jail. But as long as they are trying to install a religious theocracy, as long as they have majority support, I think I have every right to care.


You can care all you want. I never said otherwise.

But when you flat out admit your bigotry towards all Christians, your statements that you'll be happy to live alongside them ring hollow. But since you've normalized your hatred for them and justified it, I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.

Also, when you say things like "But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out."

It kinda makes it seem like you're at least considering violence. Because that kinda sounded like a freeper post against Muslims.
 
2012-08-06 04:13:59 PM
i.huffpost.com

Motherfarker should have followed his leader.
 
2012-08-06 04:14:33 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: I'm not killing people. I think if these people stopped legislating their beliefs, they stopped persecuting, I wouldn't care. Im perfectly happy to live along side everyone, but not when i have to wonder what it will take for my neighbor to start demanding laws that will throw me in jail. But as long as they are trying to install a religious theocracy, as long as they have majority support, I think I have every right to care.

You can care all you want. I never said otherwise.

But when you flat out admit your bigotry towards all Christians, your statements that you'll be happy to live alongside them ring hollow. But since you've normalized your hatred for them and justified it, I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.

Also, when you say things like "But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out."

It kinda makes it seem like you're at least considering violence. Because that kinda sounded like a freeper post against Muslims.


Do you're just choosing to ignore the part about where I consider violence to be the actions of the incompetent? That I don't want to have to worry about this? That I would like a law that completely removed the problem? I'd say a law already exists, but it clearly doesn't work. So i keep looking for any solution to stave off violence, to return to a place where I can actually not care about what someone else's religion is no matter what it is, because their religion can't affect me.

Now what Freeper have you ever heard talk like that? You realize you're doing the very thing you accuse me of? Dismissing me because you don't like what I'm saying? Assigning opinions to me that are not mine to discredit me?

I wish i didn't have to care, I really do. But I can't, because these people are destroying the country. So i keep looking for something, anything, to stave off destruction. Anything that can peacefully resolve. So tell me what Freeper do I sound like?
 
2012-08-06 04:18:36 PM

GAT_00: Now what Freeper have you ever heard talk like that? You realize you're doing the very thing you accuse me of? Dismissing me because you don't like what I'm saying? Assigning opinions to me that are not mine to discredit me?


There really isn't any other way to take "Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out." It's saying you wish you could think of another way besides violence, but you can't.

Accept it dude. You're a hateful little bigot. You've flat out said as much. Embrace it like the teabaggers do. Don't try to hide behind some BS veneer. shiat, you said one of the reasons you don't like Obama is because he's a Christian. Don't try to pretend this is about secularism. It's about your admitted bigotry and hatred.
 
2012-08-06 04:20:57 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: Now what Freeper have you ever heard talk like that? You realize you're doing the very thing you accuse me of? Dismissing me because you don't like what I'm saying? Assigning opinions to me that are not mine to discredit me?

There really isn't any other way to take "Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out." It's saying you wish you could think of another way besides violence, but you can't.

Accept it dude. You're a hateful little bigot. You've flat out said as much. Embrace it like the teabaggers do. Don't try to hide behind some BS veneer. shiat, you said one of the reasons you don't like Obama is because he's a Christian. Don't try to pretend this is about secularism. It's about your admitted bigotry and hatred.


So cherry picking is the name of the game. Why do I bother with any degree of eloquence?
 
2012-08-06 04:24:06 PM

sweetmelissa31: I think we were told we should investigate brown people with scarves on their heads rather than God fearing right wing white Americans.


/FTFY
 
2012-08-06 04:26:58 PM

GAT_00: So cherry picking is the name of the game. Why do I bother with any degree of eloquence?


Then tell me what you meant by that statement. Because the last refuge of the incompetent means one thing. And saying you can't think of any other way kind of makes it seem like you've at least considered it.

I don't understand why you're hiding from your admitted bigotry. You're usually so quick and proud to proclaim it.
 
2012-08-06 04:27:11 PM

vernonFL: Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.


It's that Kyle guy, isn't it? That's why they're all looking for him.

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-06 04:31:16 PM

Xaxor: eraser8:
Serious question: WHY?

You never believed stupid stuff when you were young? Some people realize how stupid X is, and then look back wondering how they could have believed it.


I've mentioned it once on here before but, when I was younger I thought that when people had sex doggystyle it meant one person just lifted up their leg like a urinating dog.

I also used to think that watermelon seeds would grow in your stomach if swallowed and that all sand became quicksand when wet. It made for some interesting times at the beach.
 
2012-08-06 04:39:49 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: So cherry picking is the name of the game. Why do I bother with any degree of eloquence?

Then tell me what you meant by that statement. Because the last refuge of the incompetent means one thing. And saying you can't think of any other way kind of makes it seem like you've at least considered it.

I don't understand why you're hiding from your admitted bigotry. You're usually so quick and proud to proclaim it.


You never stopped to ask what I meant by it, you read what you wanted. You know where it is on the annoyance scale? Around where my annoyance is that Obama uses his hair color as a tool for speeches, not dying his hair when he was to look more serious. You know why it annoys me? Because he uses his Christianity as a weapon for politics. Not because he legislates on it. He might, but he isn't.

Of course, this won't matter. You read what you want to read, because your mind is utterly closed to anything I say. There is nothing I could say to change your mind, is there? Be honest.
 
2012-08-06 04:47:45 PM
 
2012-08-06 04:48:22 PM

GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: So cherry picking is the name of the game. Why do I bother with any degree of eloquence?

Then tell me what you meant by that statement. Because the last refuge of the incompetent means one thing. And saying you can't think of any other way kind of makes it seem like you've at least considered it.

I don't understand why you're hiding from your admitted bigotry. You're usually so quick and proud to proclaim it.

You never stopped to ask what I meant by it, you read what you wanted. You know where it is on the annoyance scale? Around where my annoyance is that Obama uses his hair color as a tool for speeches, not dying his hair when he was to look more serious. You know why it annoys me? Because he uses his Christianity as a weapon for politics. Not because he legislates on it. He might, but he isn't.

Of course, this won't matter. You read what you want to read, because your mind is utterly closed to anything I say. There is nothing I could say to change your mind, is there? Be honest.


Sure. By actually answering the question, which you have flat out refused to do. What else could you have meant? I've never heard any other definition or interpretation of that phrase in my entire life, and I doubt many other people have.

Stop with this Romney-esque refusal to answer a simple question about what you meant.
 
2012-08-06 05:04:20 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: So cherry picking is the name of the game. Why do I bother with any degree of eloquence?

Then tell me what you meant by that statement. Because the last refuge of the incompetent means one thing. And saying you can't think of any other way kind of makes it seem like you've at least considered it.

I don't understand why you're hiding from your admitted bigotry. You're usually so quick and proud to proclaim it.

You never stopped to ask what I meant by it, you read what you wanted. You know where it is on the annoyance scale? Around where my annoyance is that Obama uses his hair color as a tool for speeches, not dying his hair when he was to look more serious. You know why it annoys me? Because he uses his Christianity as a weapon for politics. Not because he legislates on it. He might, but he isn't.

Of course, this won't matter. You read what you want to read, because your mind is utterly closed to anything I say. There is nothing I could say to change your mind, is there? Be honest.

Sure. By actually answering the question, which you have flat out refused to do. What else could you have meant? I've never heard any other definition or interpretation of that phrase in my entire life, and I doubt many other people have.

Stop with this Romney-esque refusal to answer a simple question about what you meant.


For fark's sake, it wasn't serious! Do you think I'd advocate violence, and then turn around and call myself incompetent for it? Forgive the smart ass on a site dedicated to making fun of everything! That was the perfect moment for tongue in cheek, but because you are so utterly blind to anything except your own opinion of me, you couldn't see it! Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, and the point I've tried to make and you have ignored over and over again is I want anything but that. Why would someone who wants to stop mass murders turn around and advocate them? This entire thing has been the result of your utter hatred and close mindedness of me that you couldn't see farking snark!

Why the fark do I bother with you? No I don't advocate killing Christians, I don't advocate killing anyone! What I want is for them to stop passing laws on their religion.

Now, is it possible that I have convinced you, or is that even possible?
 
2012-08-06 05:05:12 PM

GAT_00: Now, is it possible that I have convinced you, or is that even possible?


See? that wasn't so hard now, was it?
 
2012-08-06 05:25:21 PM

Therion: Motherfarker should have followed his leader.


I'm surprised this guy didn't know most neo-Nazi orgs are populated with FBI informants.

I continued to be surprised the FBI didn't know what this guy was planning.
 
2012-08-06 06:11:48 PM
We need another
 
2012-08-06 06:12:16 PM
Rounding up the right wingers shouldn't be to hard, we could use the patriot act. After all keeping America safe is their number one priority.
 
2012-08-06 06:14:11 PM
"We came unarmed THIS time"
"2nd Amendment Solutions"
...shucks, we were just joking about those, we didn't' think anybody took them seriously.
 
2012-08-06 06:14:33 PM

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ:

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.

the 'we are a christian nation' people offend me on an almost genetic level. that is a demonstrably false allegation and it's something on a dominionist theologian would make up. it implies that ONLY christians are valid citizens of the US and that just pisses me the hell off.


And that the bible supersedes the constitution.
 
2012-08-06 06:14:44 PM
These poor Sikhs... The first "retaliation" attack after 9/11 was a Sikh, too. Some jackass in Mesa, Az shot the owner of the gas station down the street from my father in law's house, a real nice guy, and a Sikh, not a Muslim. I remember when it happened, and they originally decided that they 'weren't' going to consider it a hate crime, but apparently the little bird of reason spoke into someone's ear.

Just because they kinda look like Muslim's how are these poor deranged souls supposed to know the difference? If profiling was a bad thing, wouldn't we stop our cops from doing it as much as we can, same with people like the TSA?
 
2012-08-06 06:14:53 PM

Aarontology:

I don't understand why you're hiding from your admitted bigotry.


IANAL, but doesn't bigotry require hating someone for who they are (gay, black, female, etc.)? That's how I've always used it.

I don't see how it would apply to hating someone for what they do.
 
2012-08-06 06:16:41 PM

Nobodyn0se: Aarontology:

I don't understand why you're hiding from your admitted bigotry.

IANAL, but doesn't bigotry require hating someone for who they are (gay, black, female, etc.)? That's how I've always used it.

I don't see how it would apply to hating someone for what they do.


FWIW, we've been asked to let the whole thing lie. It's done.
 
2012-08-06 06:18:01 PM
Kos diarists are dumb.

The DHS profile didn't fit the anarchists who targeted that bridge. It didn't fit Loughner. It didn't fit Holmes. It didn't fit Hassan. In fact, this guy didn't use any sort of organization to carry out his attack... and he was a veteran in that he was drummed out 14 years ago... so it really doesn't fit this guy.

Keep humping that chicken Kos.
 
2012-08-06 06:18:36 PM

doyner: Sgt Otter: ShawnDoc: rufus-t-firefly: And besides - Kos didn't tell you so. The Department of Homeland Security did, and you scoffed. SCOFFED, I say.

Not just scoffed, but created such a backlash that the report was retracted.

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There was also a similar DHS report on left-wing extremists. Funny how that one didn't generate more butthurt than a Penn State locker room.

Maybe it's because they're lagging behind their Neo-Nazi counterparts in their violent shenanegans.


The shenanigans on the crazy left side tend to be in the realm of property destruction rather than human destruction.
 
2012-08-06 06:18:45 PM

GAT_00: FWIW, we've been asked to let the whole thing lie. It's done.


I'm not trying to bring up the argument again. Whether anyone IS a bigot is completely uninteresting to me. I'm just asking about the meaning of the word "bigot." A definitional question, if you will.

I just have never seen it used before to describe someone who hates another for something they do. From my understanding, it only applies (by definition) to those who hate others for what they ARE.

Again, not trying to continue the previous argument, just wondering about the use of the term.....
 
2012-08-06 06:19:51 PM

ShawnDoc: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

2 incidents? The shooter at the Sikh temple and ?


Someone torched a mosque last night in Missouri. This is the same mosque that got torched last month.
 
2012-08-06 06:21:23 PM

12349876: The shenanigans on the crazy left side tend to be in the realm of property destruction rather than human destruction.


From what I remember from my Terrorism class (which was admittedly about 7 years ago now...) the left wing extremists carry out far more attacks, but commit far fewer homicides. The right wing commit fewer acts, but kill far more.
 
2012-08-06 06:22:20 PM

GAT_00: I'd also include a ChristianMississippi State Rep. Andy Gipson(R) who demanded that all LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi


FTFY...
 
2012-08-06 06:22:37 PM

Sgt Otter: There was also a similar DHS report on left-wing extremists. Funny how that one didn't generate more butthurt than a Penn State locker room.


Probably because we're used to it.
Green is the new red, and the authorities have always farked with environmental groups (or any group that stands in the way of profits).
As far as anarchism, it just comes with the territory and that report at least explains the ideology in a way besides "hurr these guys are anti-government". And the explicit goal is to be a threat to the state, so state repression, legal/illegal, consistent/hypocritical, is expected.
The right wing groups are outraged because they're used to implicit or explicit support from the state which usually tips the scales in their favor unless they become a PR problem or their own way of standing in the way of profits/business.
 
2012-08-06 06:25:24 PM

sweetmelissa31: We don't have to grandstand. We can investigate right wing extremists.


it's very important that we don't hurt anyone's feelings here
 
2012-08-06 06:26:12 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: I'm not killing people. I think if these people stopped legislating their beliefs, they stopped persecuting, I wouldn't care. Im perfectly happy to live along side everyone, but not when i have to wonder what it will take for my neighbor to start demanding laws that will throw me in jail. But as long as they are trying to install a religious theocracy, as long as they have majority support, I think I have every right to care.

You can care all you want. I never said otherwise.

But when you flat out admit your bigotry towards all Christians, your statements that you'll be happy to live alongside them ring hollow. But since you've normalized your hatred for them and justified it, I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.

Also, when you say things like "But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out."

It kinda makes it seem like you're at least considering violence. Because that kinda sounded like a freeper post against Muslims.


Honestly, I have a hard time with this statement. Why do I have to support/stand/deal with/tolerate people who believe that I am going to hell and that my life choices are wrong (in my case I'm a single dad, i have sex outside of marriage, i support LGBT rights, etc)?

I do tolerate them but only b/c I feel that it's the right thing to do to let people believe what they want. HOWEVER : fark them if they want to take away my rights or the rights of others. They get all their goddamn tax breaks and free speech but I'm not allowed to think they are a bunch of farking pricks?

Does that make me a bigot?
 
2012-08-06 06:28:38 PM

serial_crusher: Because it seems like the article is saying that DHS should have taken him off the streets already just because he was a veteran



That's exactly what nobody said. But good job claiming that, I bet you read it on a FW: FW: FW: FW:
 
2012-08-06 06:29:43 PM
I'm glad Bush never ignored any warnings from the NSA! Where would we be then?
 
2012-08-06 06:29:46 PM
House Minority Leader John Boehner called the report "Offensive and Unacceptable" and demanded an "explanation for why she has abandoned using the term 'terrorist' to describe those, such as al Qaeda, who are plotting overseas to kill innocent Americans, while her own Department is using the same term to describe American citizens who disagree with the direction Washington Democrats are taking our nation."

Muslim terrorists = evil, should be killed or locked up

Christian terrorists = just misunderstood and only want to put America back on the "right" direction

/I think I threw up a little reading that quote from him.
 
2012-08-06 06:30:16 PM

Weaver95: all I know is that the secret service has their hands full keeping Obama safe from religious nutballs and right wing fanatics who just wanna kill the black man in the white house. that, my friends, is a thankless job and i'm glad they're doing it.


I met a couple of them when I worked at the Canyon and Gerald Ford came by for a couple of nights. Nice guys, fun to party with, and not above reaching over the bar to fill up our pitcher with more beer when it was last call and the bartender was out wrapping up orders... 'What are they going to do, arrest me?', So I enjoyed the HELL out of that free beer... LOL.

/Seriously, they were cool to hang out with, (mostly)not overly psychopathic super-cop or anything.
//I say 'mostly' because the Agent in charge freaked out when I tried to buy him a beer, he thought I was trying to somehow get on his 'good' side by buying him a beer. One of the other agents got him to calm down and he eventually accepted my free beer.
 
2012-08-06 06:31:08 PM

intelligent comment below: House Minority Leader John Boehner called the report "Offensive and Unacceptable" and demanded an "explanation for why she has abandoned using the term 'terrorist' to describe those, such as al Qaeda, who are plotting overseas to kill innocent Americans, while her own Department is using the same term to describe American citizens who disagree with the direction Washington Democrats are taking our nation."

Muslim terrorists = evil, should be killed or locked up

Christian terrorists = just misunderstood and only want to put America back on the "right" direction

/I think I threw up a little reading that quote from him.


McVeigh was not just someone that disagreed with Clinton's politics.
 
2012-08-06 06:32:07 PM

Krieghund: vernonFL: Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.

It's that Kyle guy, isn't it? That's why they're all looking for him.

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Alright, that's Goddam funny... Now that I have an idea of Kyle's height, I can keep an eye out for him, too.
 
2012-08-06 06:32:27 PM

Krieghund: vernonFL: Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.

It's that Kyle guy, isn't it? That's why they're all looking for him.

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For some reason, I first read that as "Carl", and thought it was an amusing "The Walking Dead" reference.
 
2012-08-06 06:32:35 PM

intelligent comment below: House Minority Leader John Boehner called the report "Offensive and Unacceptable" and demanded an "explanation for why she has abandoned using the term 'terrorist' to describe those, such as al Qaeda, who are plotting overseas to kill innocent Americans, while her own Department is using the same term to describe American citizens who disagree with the direction Washington Democrats are taking our nation."

Muslim terrorists = evil, should be killed or locked up

Christian terrorists = just misunderstood and only want to put America back on the "right" direction

/I think I threw up a little reading that quote from him.


I'm actually surprised that they were referring to this as domestic terrorism yesterday. I guess nobody is worried about hurting Nazi feelings.
 
2012-08-06 06:32:35 PM

WizardofToast: McVeigh was not just someone that disagreed with Clinton's politics.



Don't tell that to Boehner. Any white guy who does violent acts against America just disagrees with the direction Washington Democrats are taking OUR nation.
 
2012-08-06 06:33:37 PM

Mrbogey: Kos diarists are dumb.

The DHS profile didn't fit the anarchists who targeted that bridge. It didn't fit Loughner. It didn't fit Holmes. It didn't fit Hassan. In fact, this guy didn't use any sort of organization to carry out his attack... and he was a veteran in that he was drummed out 14 years ago... so it really doesn't fit this guy.

Keep humping that chicken Kos.



So you're saying a report is useless if it doesn't describe 100% of the threats? You should volunteer your services to the FBI

Yeah white terrorists aren't a real problem in America, nothing to see here, just evil libtards humping that chicken.
 
2012-08-06 06:34:29 PM

BSABSVR: I'm actually surprised that they were referring to this as domestic terrorism yesterday. I guess nobody is worried about hurting Nazi feelings.



Probably because they didn't target the evil mooslooms
 
2012-08-06 06:35:44 PM

Mikey1969: //I say 'mostly' because the Agent in charge freaked out when I tried to buy him a beer, he thought I was trying to somehow get on his 'good' side by buying him a beer. One of the other agents got him to calm down and he eventually accepted my free beer.


What the hell? You should have gotten super suspicious and asked him what sort of commie bastard terrorist he thought he was, and loudly ordered the others to detain him. Because what sort of ass turns down a free beer?
 
2012-08-06 06:37:11 PM

BSABSVR:

I'm actually surprised that they were referring to this as domestic terrorism yesterday. I guess nobody is worried about hurting Nazi feelings.


So you did nazi it coming?
 
2012-08-06 06:42:57 PM

GAT_00: As I see it, any Christian isn't that far off from fundamentalism. They all go off the same book after all.


Then you obviously don't know very much about Christianity, or scriptural hermeneutics in general.
 
2012-08-06 06:49:30 PM

GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: So cherry picking is the name of the game. Why do I bother with any degree of eloquence?

Then tell me what you meant by that statement. Because the last refuge of the incompetent means one thing. And saying you can't think of any other way kind of makes it seem like you've at least considered it.

I don't understand why you're hiding from your admitted bigotry. You're usually so quick and proud to proclaim it.

You never stopped to ask what I meant by it, you read what you wanted. You know where it is on the annoyance scale? Around where my annoyance is that Obama uses his hair color as a tool for speeches, not dying his hair when he was to look more serious. You know why it annoys me? Because he uses his Christianity as a weapon for politics. Not because he legislates on it. He might, but he isn't.

Of course, this won't matter. You read what you want to read, because your mind is utterly closed to anything I say. There is nothing I could say to change your mind, is there? Be honest.

Sure. By actually answering the question, which you have flat out refused to do. What else could you have meant? I've never heard any other definition or interpretation of that phrase in my entire life, and I doubt many other people have.

Stop with this Romney-esque refusal to answer a simple question about what you meant.

For fark's sake, it wasn't serious! Do you think I'd advocate violence, and then turn around and call myself incompetent for it? Forgive the smart ass on a site dedicated to making fun of everything! That was the perfect moment for tongue in cheek, but because you are so utterly blind to anything except your own opinion of me, you couldn't see it! Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, and the point I've tried to make and you have ignored over and over again is I want anything but that. Why would someone who wants to stop mass murders turn around and advocate them? This entire thing has been the result of your ut ...


What a hypocrite.

I have Gat_00 as a RIS or Republican in Secret. His arguments are smart enough to make him believable as a stereotype "liberal" but weak enough to be discredited.

In other words he's Alan Colmes Droopy Dog wanna be. He deliberately make weak arguments to make republican opposition look weak.

images.wikia.com
 
2012-08-06 06:50:22 PM

Aarontology: I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.


I can't speak for GAT, but this doesn't seem fair. Where exactly do you draw the line between "justifiable hatred" and "unjustifiable bigotry". Can you think of anyone in this country today that just might be rightly pissed off about very real oppression? Maybe they know enough about history to be scared as well.

I see a country where the Christians are increasingly demanding that their beliefs be codified into law and they're getting it. They call for the deaths of homosexuals, torch mosques and take rights away from women -- and nobody, not even the so-called "moderate Christians", stands in their way or shouts them down.
How far does it need to go before he's not a 'bigot' anymore, but was one of the first to see the writing on the wall? What if they really are oppressors coming to get us? What if you're in the next shot-up theater, or torched health clinic, or bombed federal building?
 
2012-08-06 06:52:50 PM

sabreWulf07: What if you're in the next shot-up theater, or torched health clinic, or bombed federal building unrepresentative isolated incident and anyway false flag and also Nazis were liberals and furthermore comma?


Well, I'd have to blame the left, because everyone knows everything bad is left-wing.
 
2012-08-06 06:56:50 PM
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Look, just because he was a known noe-Nazi, and he founded a white supremacist metal band, and he murdered a bunch of non-Christian religious people with brown skin, doesn't mean he was a "right wing extremist." That's just hurtful to right wing extremists and we should wait for the facts to come out, amirite?
 
2012-08-06 07:02:04 PM

cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it


c[ave]man can always be counted on to add some asinine comment designed to distract attention from right-wing wrongdoing.

And I told you so.
 
2012-08-06 07:07:35 PM

sabreWulf07: Aarontology: I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.

I can't speak for GAT, but this doesn't seem fair. Where exactly do you draw the line between "justifiable hatred" and "unjustifiable bigotry". Can you think of anyone in this country today that just might be rightly pissed off about very real oppression? Maybe they know enough about history to be scared as well.

I see a country where the Christians are increasingly demanding that their beliefs be codified into law and they're getting it. They call for the deaths of homosexuals, torch mosques and take rights away from women -- and nobody, not even the so-called "moderate Christians", stands in their way or shouts them down.
How far does it need to go before he's not a 'bigot' anymore, but was one of the first to see the writing on the wall? What if they really are oppressors coming to get us? What if you're in the next shot-up theater, or torched health clinic, or bombed federal building?


I take issue with none of those concerns when it comes to dealing with (groups of) people who actually fit that description.

What I do object to is reducing this kind of oppression to the religion itself, as if it is a necessary and inevitable result of religious belief. There are almost as many traditions of scriptural interpretation as there are chapters in the Bible, and even many of those allow for considerable sway between moderate and hardline views. There is no one-to-one correlation between what is on the page and what message the reader receives, and that goes for any text. What is for one person a literal command to kill non-believers might be for another person an allegorical exhortation to extinguish sin in one's own soul.

Now, don't take me as white-knighting for American Christianity here. The church, broadly speaking, in this country has some very serious problems with bigotry and oppression. I'd argue that a majority of Christians here are indeed much closer to being oppressors than benign believers. But, again, reducing it to the religion or the Bible itself is simply disingenuous.
 
2012-08-06 07:11:01 PM

Captain Steroid: Yes. :-(


My dad keeps sending me dumb emails about how Muslims kill all these people. I need a good list of Christians killing epopel to return to him. Shouldn't be hard to come up with this year.
 
2012-08-06 07:12:14 PM

vernonFL: White Supremacists determined to strike in US.


Terrifying.

What's even more distressing is the aspects of the apocalyptic hard-right that seem to be gaining footholds in the discourse. Remember when torture was being openly debated? It seems to me unimaginably barbaric and obscene for this to even be a discussion topic. And the way the right has cynically tapped into "dark side" of populisim on the one hand -- feeding on hate, alienation/atomism, furthering political hostility and social antagonisms for short-term electoral advantage -- also seems very dangerous in this light. The fact that any meaningful leftist analysis is completely absent from the debate today I think is the last element that makes the powderkeg we are in truly disastrous: the debate today is between a vaguely unified center and a hard-right nativist abyss. There is no muscular leftist opposition that is capable of gaining any traction; maybe this is a symptom that our democracy has simply been thoroughly dissolved by capital. We can begin rehabilitate a legitimate politics once we have surmounted the corruption of our institutions. The strange problem is that there is no real will to do this -- nobody wants to actually deal with the actual problems of regulation and accountability in large-scale social instutions, whether in the public or the private spheres.

/We need massive overhauls everywhere, not just in health or finance.
 
2012-08-06 07:13:10 PM
If only someone had shown the courage to speak out against white supremacists and identify them as a security threat.

The Dems have fought valiantly to do just that, while Republicans have been too fearful of offending their Aryan brothers.

Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?
 
2012-08-06 07:13:28 PM

Sgt Otter: ShawnDoc: rufus-t-firefly: And besides - Kos didn't tell you so. The Department of Homeland Security did, and you scoffed. SCOFFED, I say.

Not just scoffed, but created such a backlash that the report was retracted.

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There was also a similar DHS report on left-wing extremists. Funny how that one didn't generate more butthurt than a Penn State locker room.


Maybe because liberals don't like left-wing extremists so they didn't complain. It was the right-whingers who wallowed in a persecution-complex over the report.
 
2012-08-06 07:25:58 PM

edmo: Captain Steroid: Yes. :-(

My dad keeps sending me dumb emails about how Muslims kill all these people. I need a good list of Christians killing epopel to return to him. Shouldn't be hard to come up with this year.


www.christopher-columbus.eu

www.traditioninaction.org

www.sonofthesouth.net

www.adonde.com

edu.glogster.com

www.flyingchariotministries.com
 
2012-08-06 07:27:10 PM

Therion: [i.huffpost.com image 850x616]

Motherfarker should have followed his leader.


Plays guitar, nerdy glasses... maybe the mods can force-meme him to be Rivers Cuomo or something?
 
2012-08-06 07:28:08 PM

dameron: When Obama wins, the far right will go into an apoplectic rage. I mean, these are the people who said Clinton, a white, chubby, good old boy from Arkansas who was nicknamed "Bubba", was a murdering, drug dealing pederast.

Can you imagine what they'll come up with when the black guy named Hussein wins a second term? I think someone will take a shot at him. I hope I'm wrong. But if you read the mainstream conservative websites comments sections you'll see that kind of talk is commonplace.


I will seriously cry if that happens. He's trying, as hard as a politician can try for gods sake. He has to fight a republican controlled congress, the richest and most powerful corporations in america, racism, and the farking CHURCHES to pass legislation that is common place in other civilized countries of the world.
 
2012-08-06 07:28:39 PM

Cletus C.: Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?



I love how you make valid points, then realize your mistake and where it's leading you, so you have to create this strawman to pretend it invalidates what you said above it

If you preach hate of Muslims, then some Mosque's get torched, don't pretend you aren't an enabler of violence.
 
2012-08-06 07:33:21 PM

intelligent comment below: Cletus C.: Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?


I love how you make valid points, then realize your mistake and where it's leading you, so you have to create this strawman to pretend it invalidates what you said above it

If you preach hate of Muslims, then some Mosque's get torched, don't pretend you aren't an enabler of violence.


I see. If anything happens to Romney or one of his estates ....
 
2012-08-06 07:34:46 PM

dameron: When Obama wins, the far right will go into an apoplectic rage. I mean, these are the people who said Clinton, a white, chubby, good old boy from Arkansas who was nicknamed "Bubba", was a murdering, drug dealing pederast.

Can you imagine what they'll come up with when the black guy named Hussein wins a second term? I think someone will take a shot at him. I hope I'm wrong. But if you read the mainstream conservative websites comments sections you'll see that kind of talk is commonplace.


Yeah, you gotta wonder what will go through the minds of people who are now saying, "If Barack HUSSEIN Obama wins reelection, the United States is over. We're done as a country."

Really? It's all over? So . . . um . . . whatcha gonna do? Sounds like we're in desperate times and have nothing to lose, if you catch my drift . . .

But yeah, I hope we're wrong.
 
2012-08-06 07:36:17 PM

Cletus C.: I see. If anything happens to Romney or one of his estates ....



If a Democrat said the rich should have their money and land taken from them, and something happens to it, I'd say they are indeed hate preachers who enabled some lunatic.

If a Republican says Muslims are evil and trying to take over America, or Democrats are anti-American traitors, and something happens to Muslims or Democrats, you can legally and morally say they indeed were enablers.

If I drive you to a bank robbery, I can be tried as an accomplice
 
2012-08-06 07:37:31 PM

bigbadideasinaction: Plays guitar, nerdy glasses... maybe the mods can force-meme him to be Rivers Cuomo or something?

What's with these Sikhs invading my country
Why can't they go back home
What did we ever to do these people
That made them feel invited

Woo-hoo, but you know I'm yours
Woo-hoo, and I know you're mine
Woo-hoo, and that's for all time

Oo-ee-oo I think I am Adolf Hitler
Oh-oh, and you're Eva Paula Braun
I don't care what they say about us anyway
I don't care bout that

 
2012-08-06 07:39:42 PM

intelligent comment below: If a Democrat said the rich should have their money and land taken from them, and something happens to it, I'd say they are indeed hate preachers who enabled some lunatic.


INB4: "Democrats do say that! THEY WANT TO RAISE TAXES ONE MILLION PERCENT ON THE RICH! WEALTH REDISTRIBUTIONGARRRBLL!"
 
2012-08-06 07:40:54 PM

Nadie_AZ: Vodka Zombie: Bush had a lot of years to educate these assholes, but, instead, he chose to exploit and capitalize on their hatred by stoking their ignorance and fear.

Um, I wouldn't blame him for this. Clinton had the crazies imagining the UN dropping troops all over in black helicopters and taking guns away and putting people in prison camps. On and on. I remember because I believed it. But they were upset about a 'New World Order'- in a speech given by George HW Bush. Anyways, they are the ones that bought the yellow magnets and trumpeted their patriotism the loudest after 9/11.

Their anger was turned towards 'them', no matter who they were. Remember 'you are either with us or you are against us'? That's eaten up by these people. Well, they'd spent 7 years being pissed off at muslim fascist democratic socialist terrorists when Obama was elected. With all the mis-information being passed around, these people turned it up to a 9. You only see a few of these guys going to 11 (JT Ready, this guy in Wisconsin), but they are there and they are jacked. And they preceded Bush.


Pretty much this.

I was hearing about the black helicopters coming to take ar gunz back in the early 90's when I lived in Nevada, and that was WAAAAYY before Clinton was in office. There's a reason these groups and their douchebag followers are all on the Southern Poverty Law Center's hate lists. They've been around for eons. If they're more visible now than they were then, it's only because they have a wider forum and news gets reported on faster.

That said, quashing a report because you didn't like the tone or the message has been around since Paleolithic times. Most of you all are too young to remember the "missile gap" that never existed, and which was created to avoid Johnson's temper tantrums; or the reports on the Vietcong showing they were kicking our asses in Vietnam which had to be forcibly leaked by Ellsburg well after the war; etc. etc.

None of this is new, or even surprising. It's a mainstay of my new club, the Cassandra Club.
 
2012-08-06 07:43:28 PM

Weaver95: there is a radical sect of christianity in this country that wouldn't shed a tear if every non-christian in the country suddenly keeled over and died tomorrow morning.


Radicalism is an ideology unto itself.
 
2012-08-06 07:44:41 PM

Cletus C.: I see. If anything happens to Romney or one of his estates ....


Aside from the random idiot, who here is talking about wanting bad things to happen to Romney? I think the guy is a boring paper cutout who's either full of shiat or deluded and would make a horrible president, but I wish him no harm. I'm an agnostic and I've prayed for him to realize or come clean that his BS policies on giving the rich tax cuts will make things better for the non-rich.

Yes, biatches, I prayed for Romney.
 
2012-08-06 07:48:00 PM
A bunch of blacks got shot in Chicago over the weekend, therefore we should stop worrying about a white guy shooting up a Sikh Temple...or something.

/Thought I'd get that out of the way before the "white power" contingent of Fark shows up
 
2012-08-06 07:48:03 PM

zarberg: Cletus C.: I see. If anything happens to Romney or one of his estates ....

Aside from the random idiot, who here is talking about wanting bad things to happen to Romney? I think the guy is a boring paper cutout who's either full of shiat or deluded and would make a horrible president, but I wish him no harm. I'm an agnostic and I've prayed for him to realize or come clean that his BS policies on giving the rich tax cuts will make things better for the non-rich.

Yes, biatches, I prayed for Romney.


As an ex christian, I wish I could do the same. I just do not like talking to myself....except when fapping.
 
2012-08-06 07:48:52 PM

intelligent comment below: So you're saying a report is useless if it doesn't describe 100% of the threats? You should volunteer your services to the FBI


"Be on the look out for a white male 6'2" with a moustache."

*Find 5'6" hispanic man with moustache*

"Well at least we got the moustache part right! Derp de doo!"
 
2012-08-06 07:53:14 PM

Jaws_Victim: I will seriously cry if that happens. He's trying, as hard as a politician can try for gods sake. He has to fight a republican controlled congress, the richest and most powerful corporations in america, racism, and the farking CHURCHES to pass legislation that is common place in other civilized countries of the world.


Exactly this.....

\wish I had something to add
\\slashies
 
2012-08-06 07:54:33 PM

dameron: When Obama wins, the far right will go into an apoplectic rage. I mean, these are the people who said Clinton, a white, chubby, good old boy from Arkansas who was nicknamed "Bubba", was a murdering, drug dealing pederast.

Can you imagine what they'll come up with when the black guy named Hussein wins a second term? I think someone will take a shot at him. I hope I'm wrong. But if you read the mainstream conservative websites comments sections you'll see that kind of talk is commonplace.


Want to hear the ironic part? A lot of those Secret Service agents are Mormons.
 
2012-08-06 07:58:11 PM

Cletus C.: intelligent comment below: Cletus C.: Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?


I love how you make valid points, then realize your mistake and where it's leading you, so you have to create this strawman to pretend it invalidates what you said above it

If you preach hate of Muslims, then some Mosque's get torched, don't pretend you aren't an enabler of violence.

I see. If anything happens to Romney or one of his estates ....


Last I checked, ICB wasn't a well-known politician or a national news personality spewing hate for all to hear.
 
2012-08-06 07:58:18 PM

Cletus C.: If only someone had shown the courage to speak out against white supremacists and identify them as a security threat.

The Dems have fought valiantly to do just that, while Republicans have been too fearful of offending their Aryan brothers.

Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?


No. Egging on those that you can later dismiss is the despicable behavior
 
2012-08-06 07:59:11 PM

cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it


i1245.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-06 08:05:41 PM
So the count is up to "1"?
 
2012-08-06 08:07:32 PM
But seriously, white supremacists are like radiation. Not even their mothers love them. They sometimes get a missing-teethed, abused-by-father, firth-grade dropout babe to fight over but they're hated. By everybody.
 
2012-08-06 08:07:43 PM

ginandbacon: I wonder if anyone has any regrets about quashing it.


Quashing it? Those people are probably going to launch a Congressional investigation as to why this patriotic white citizen had been stalked by the Feds for a decade, simply for his political beliefs.

"The argument that diversity is our strength has really never been backed up by logic." -- Steve King, R-ightarded CoQsmoker, August 2nd, 2012
 
2012-08-06 08:15:03 PM

Mrbogey: intelligent comment below: So you're saying a report is useless if it doesn't describe 100% of the threats? You should volunteer your services to the FBI

"Be on the look out for a white male 6'2" with a moustache."

*Find 5'6" hispanic man with moustache*

"Well at least we got the moustache part right! Derp de doo!"



Because that's exactly what a report on extremists is designed for... could you be any more of an idiot?
 
2012-08-06 08:15:55 PM

Chimperror2: So the count is up to "1"?



This month. That the news has reported.
 
2012-08-06 08:17:15 PM

Vodka Zombie: Weaver95: Nadie_AZ:

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.

the 'we are a christian nation' people offend me on an almost genetic level. that is a demonstrably false allegation and it's something on a dominionist theologian would make up. it implies that ONLY christians are valid citizens of the US and that just pisses me the hell off.

Man... It's nice to see at least TWO people share my feelings.


Add me too
 
2012-08-06 08:17:55 PM

intelligent comment below: Cletus C.: Therefore, whistle, whistle, Sarah Palin shot those people in WIsconsin, just like she shot that congresswoman in Arizona.

Do I have that right?


I love how you make valid points, then realize your mistake and where it's leading you, so you have to create this strawman to pretend it invalidates what you said above it

If you preach hate of Muslims, then some Mosque's get torched, don't pretend you aren't an enabler of violence.


There were plenty of OWS arrests. Remember the bridge bombers? Sorry, but if OWS can deny violence even while they actively support the violence makers then surely those that disavow violence AND the people that actively engage in it have more moral authority to condemn it. Remember kids, Loughner and Holmes are left wingers but they somehow lose their tag when they pull a trigger. Not because they aren't left-wingers but because left-wingers dislike being painted with the broad brush they use for the right.
 
2012-08-06 08:19:09 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: I'm not killing people. I think if these people stopped legislating their beliefs, they stopped persecuting, I wouldn't care. Im perfectly happy to live along side everyone, but not when i have to wonder what it will take for my neighbor to start demanding laws that will throw me in jail. But as long as they are trying to install a religious theocracy, as long as they have majority support, I think I have every right to care.

You can care all you want. I never said otherwise.

But when you flat out admit your bigotry towards all Christians, your statements that you'll be happy to live alongside them ring hollow. But since you've normalized your hatred for them and justified it, I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.

Also, when you say things like "But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out."

It kinda makes it seem like you're at least considering violence. Because that kinda sounded like a freeper post against Muslims.


What if a person's 'bigotry' towards Christians is based in the fact that a belief in an imaginary sky wizard is demonstratively stupid, and makes it difficult to take them seriously? Couple that with the tendency of Christians in America to want to legislate based on made up stories from a 2000 year old death cult, and you've got fertile ground for what you might term 'bigotry.' However, true bigotry is based on traits which cannot be altered - race, gender, sexual preference, etc. A Christian most certainly can stop being a Christian at any point in time. Therefore the argument is against his BELIEFS, not who he is as a person.

You might look at it as not liking someone for a personality flaw which isn't fixed... they could work on it and become a better person if they wanted, but they don't see the problem so they do not change.
 
2012-08-06 08:20:26 PM
*fixed as in permanent
 
2012-08-06 08:22:23 PM

Chimperror2: There were plenty of OWS arrests. Remember the bridge bombers? Sorry, but if OWS can deny violence even while they actively support the violence makers then surely those that disavow violence AND the people that actively engage in it have more moral authority to condemn it. Remember kids, Loughner and Holmes are left wingers but they somehow lose their tag when they pull a trigger. Not because they aren't left-wingers but because left-wingers dislike being painted with the broad brush they use for the right.



That's funny considering OWS kicked them out for wanting to incite violence. But keep farking that chicken

Loughner was a gold standard government conspiracy theorist nut libertarian

I have no idea what Holmes was but if you can find proof of his political leanings good luck with that

The difference between left extremists and right extremists is the left throws paint on fur and torches parking lots full of SUVs while the right assassinates and tortures.
 
2012-08-06 08:29:28 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Therion: Motherfarker should have followed his leader.

I'm surprised this guy didn't know most neo-Nazi orgs are populated with FBI informants.

I continued to be surprised the FBI didn't know what this guy was planning.


I thought I read his landlord's mother said his girlfriend broke up with him...
 
2012-08-06 08:34:04 PM
I'll just leave this here.

Link
 
2012-08-06 08:36:04 PM

The Name: I'd argue that


Then kindly do so. Damn, this has to be my least favorite phrase of all time. Sorry, this phrase sets my teeth on edge and, generally, when I hear it, I'm in front of a judge and I can't biatch slap the utterer.
 
2012-08-06 08:45:33 PM

intelligent comment below:

The difference between left extremists and right extremists is the left throws paint on fur and torches parking lots full of SUVs while the right assassinates and tortures.


Wait. I thought "not doing what a Republican wants you to do for him/her right now" qualified as extremism from the left.
 
2012-08-06 08:46:14 PM
I prefer Christianofascists rather than right wing extremists.
 
2012-08-06 08:53:22 PM

intelligent comment below: Because that's exactly what a report on extremists is designed for... could you be any more of an idiot?


Well I could be you...
 
2012-08-06 08:54:41 PM

Cletus C.: But seriously, white supremacists are like radiation. Not even their mothers love them. They sometimes get a missing-teethed, abused-by-father, firth-grade dropout babe to fight over but they're hated. By everybody.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic (which would mean you actually like white supremacists) or if you're doing one of those 5th-grade-esque course reversals in a desperate attempt to keep everyone from thinking you're an idiot.
 
2012-08-06 08:54:55 PM

timmmmah!: Aarontology: GAT_00: I'm not killing people. I think if these people stopped legislating their beliefs, they stopped persecuting, I wouldn't care. Im perfectly happy to live along side everyone, but not when i have to wonder what it will take for my neighbor to start demanding laws that will throw me in jail. But as long as they are trying to install a religious theocracy, as long as they have majority support, I think I have every right to care.

You can care all you want. I never said otherwise.

But when you flat out admit your bigotry towards all Christians, your statements that you'll be happy to live alongside them ring hollow. But since you've normalized your hatred for them and justified it, I don't think you'll ever not see them as oppressors waiting to come get you.

Also, when you say things like "But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out."

It kinda makes it seem like you're at least considering violence. Because that kinda sounded like a freeper post against Muslims.

What if a person's 'bigotry' towards Christians is based in the fact that a belief in an imaginary sky wizard is demonstratively stupid, and makes it difficult to take them seriously? Couple that with the tendency of Christians in America to want to legislate based on made up stories from a 2000 year old death cult, and you've got fertile ground for what you might term 'bigotry.' However, true bigotry is based on traits which cannot be altered - race, gender, sexual preference, etc. A Christian most certainly can stop being a Christian at any point in time. Therefore the argument is against his BELIEFS, not who he is as a person.

You might look at it as not liking someone for a personality flaw which isn't fixed... they could work on it and become a better person if they wanted, but they don't ...


I'm bigoted towards anyone who is stupid. Because I can't take them seriously. And I believe this post falls into that category.
 
2012-08-06 09:01:42 PM

Mikey1969: GAT_00: I'd also include a ChristianMississippi State Rep. Andy Gipson(R) who demanded that all LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi

FTFY...


He was using bible verses to justify it, so yes, he was a christian using christian doctrine to justify LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi.
 
2012-08-06 09:02:04 PM
Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?
 
2012-08-06 09:08:06 PM

cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?



So targeted assassinations of innocent people because of a persons religion or race is a weekly occurrence in Chicago? Link?
 
2012-08-06 09:16:40 PM

Aarontology: GAT_00: I am so farking sick of Christians. You can't say the fundamentalists aren't the majority when fundamentalist Christian law is set to pass on the state level.

Someone once said that freedom of speech isn't the freedom to hate.


They also forget that freedom of speech doesn't protect you from the consequences of what you say. You're free to be a bigoted hatemonger, but you have no right to be offended when no one wants to include you when the grownups are talking.
 
2012-08-06 09:19:55 PM

cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?


Yeah, who gives a fark if a bunch of Sikh's got shot by a deranged white supremecist. Some black people in Chicago got shot this weekend!

/sarcasm btw
 
2012-08-06 09:24:18 PM

MorrisBird: The Name: I'd argue that

Then kindly do so. Damn, this has to be my least favorite phrase of all time. Sorry, this phrase sets my teeth on edge and, generally, when I hear it, I'm in front of a judge and I can't biatch slap the utterer.


Irregardless. I would take issue with that also. Be proactive and think outside the box and jump the shark. Your cognitive dissonance is ironic. It's also a one off.

/collection of phrases that annoy me
 
2012-08-06 09:27:54 PM

cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?


More Americans died of accidental shootings since 9/11 than on 9/11. Compare the news coverage on that gem.
 
2012-08-06 09:44:29 PM

GAT_00: For fark's sake, it wasn't serious! Do you think I'd advocate violence, and then turn around and call myself incompetent for it? Forgive the smart ass on a site dedicated to making fun of everything! That was the perfect moment for tongue in cheek, but because you are so utterly blind to anything except your own opinion of me, you couldn't see it! Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, and the point I've tried to make and you have ignored over and over again is I want anything but that. Why would someone who wants to stop mass murders turn around and advocate them? This entire thing has been the result of your utter hatred and close mindedness of me that you couldn't see farking snark!

Why the fark do I bother with you? No I don't advocate killing Christians, I don't advocate killing anyone! What I want is for them to stop passing laws on their religion.

Now, is it possible that I have convinced you, or is that even possible?


I thought you were being a prick but I didn't seriously think you advocated killing Christians.

On the other hand being a smart ass or not people like you would take it serious as hell if anyone on the right ever made a joke about killing anyone and hold it up as proof of how dangerous and potentially violent they were.

And don't pretend otherwise.
 
2012-08-06 09:48:10 PM

mrshowrules: cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?

More Americans died of accidental shootings since 9/11 than on 9/11. Compare the news coverage on that gem.


An incident involving thousands of people dying at the same time on national television got more press coverage than a series of accidents in which random people died one at a time?!?!?!

THE HORROR!111111
 
2012-08-06 09:48:16 PM

vernonFL: Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.


To be fair, I met a very nice, pleasant neo nazi. Through a Jewish friend.

/I have strange friends.
 
2012-08-06 09:49:52 PM
You guys(some of you) got it lucky. These crazy right wingers are easy to spot and usually have only small support groups within a community.

I, however, live in the heart of Dixie and I could throw a rock into a crowd and hit ten people who think this Wisconsin nutbag is a martyr.
 
2012-08-06 09:56:44 PM
It's really weird how everyone has piled on to GAT_00 for some reason in the last couple of weeks. While I don't always share his views I've never come across him saying anything that would strike me as any more authoritarian or weird than any of the regulars to the Politics Tab who aren't in the League of FAIL™. Maybe it's his stance on gun control? Sometimes I think gun people just need to understand that others don't share their passion for weapons.
 
2012-08-06 10:01:44 PM

andersoncouncil42: Mikey1969: GAT_00: I'd also include a ChristianMississippi State Rep. Andy Gipson(R) who demanded that all LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi

FTFY...

He was using bible verses to justify it, so yes, he was a christian using christian doctrine to justify LGBT people be put to death in Mississippi.


I figured the whole 'Christian' thing took a backseat to the fact that this asshole is an elected official. It's like we need an entrance exam for these farkers nowadays.
 
2012-08-06 10:13:22 PM

intelligent comment below: serial_crusher: Because it seems like the article is saying that DHS should have taken him off the streets already just because he was a veteran


That's exactly what nobody said. But good job claiming that, I bet you read it on a FW: FW: FW: FW:


Well I figured their argument hinged on the other points in that list, but I just copy/pasted the article's description of the guy.
 
2012-08-06 10:19:40 PM
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2012-08-06 10:23:34 PM
We must disarm all Americans at once! It is the only way...
 
2012-08-06 10:25:26 PM

Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules: cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?

More Americans died of accidental shootings since 9/11 than on 9/11. Compare the news coverage on that gem.

An incident involving thousands of people dying at the same time on national television got more press coverage than a series of accidents in which random people died one at a time?!?!?!

THE HORROR!111111


You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.
 
2012-08-06 10:30:44 PM

mrshowrules:

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.


Well, if this was a normal website, I would now realize that I was wrong and apologize. Since this is Fark I'm going to insult your mother.

/Your mother voted for Bachmann!
//And she LIKED IT!
 
2012-08-06 10:39:48 PM

Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules:

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.

Well, if this was a normal website, I would now realize that I was wrong and apologize. Since this is Fark I'm going to insult your mother.

/Your mother voted for Bachmann!
//And she LIKED IT!


I would have preferred my mother is a whore comment over that vile post.
 
2012-08-06 10:41:24 PM

Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules:

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.

Well, if this was a normal website, I would now realize that I was wrong and apologize. Since this is Fark I'm going to insult your mother.

/Your mother voted for Bachmann!
//And she LIKED IT!


Dude...that's low
 
2012-08-06 10:52:02 PM

Captain Steroid: Yes. :-(


Get out of my head.
 
2012-08-06 11:02:47 PM
TBH, I expected more of this stuff in Europe than here.
Guns may rain from the sky here, but the Right largely controls the country.
 
2012-08-06 11:40:38 PM

cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?


There are mass shootings going on every week in Chicago? Wow, media blackouts really work.
 
2012-08-06 11:44:36 PM

theorellior: It's really weird how everyone has piled on to GAT_00 for some reason in the last couple of weeks. While I don't always share his views I've never come across him saying anything that would strike me as any more authoritarian or weird than any of the regulars to the Politics Tab who aren't in the League of FAIL™. Maybe it's his stance on gun control? Sometimes I think gun people just need to understand that others don't share their passion for weapons.


Those are the same morons that are pissed off because grenade launchers and full auto machine guns can't be sold at Walmart.
 
2012-08-06 11:46:34 PM

Weaver95: Aarontology:
Must be one of those "It's ok when I do it, even if it goes against my own core beliefs" things like those Christians you hate so ...

GAT_00 is very much an authoritarian so he shares a lot of similar philosophical viewpoints with religious authoritarians. That said, he's more secular than religious. he'd use a similar methodology to impose his will on others, just without the theocratic trappings.


But I thought religion was the source of all conflict for all of human history!! Are you telling me it's just the most recent in a LONG series of excuses and that people in power will find ANY reason to war against others in power???

/science save us!!
 
2012-08-06 11:49:00 PM

ShawnDoc: GAT_00: Nonsense, just because there are two incidents of it two days in a row doesn't mean Christian extremists are a threat.

2 incidents? The shooter at the Sikh temple and ?


The fire at the Joplin mosque is mighty suspicious...
 
2012-08-06 11:51:53 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00:

But I do wonder quite a lot about what I can do to stop these people, and I wish I could think of a good answer. Well, besides falling to the last refuge of the incompetent that is. I'd like to think there is, but I can't figure it out.

education and making sure you let the religious nutballs have a public forum in which to rant to any/all who want to listen. education is important because you can show people why it's a bad idea to vote for religious crazy people and a public forum because when the religious nutters are ranting you know they're not quietly building a bomb in their backyards or stockpiling ammo for a murder spree.

There is no evidence that these people lose votes when they speak.

Romney sure seems to be losing votes.


He's not losing votes. Obama is gaining them.
 
2012-08-07 12:51:28 AM

Nadie_AZ: vernonFL: Lets not let ONE Neo Nazi give all Neo Nazis a bad name.

JT Ready. Can I toss in Russel Pearce? That idiot who shot Gabby?
How bout Kris Kobach? Who? Oh, they guy who write SB 1070 and is on Romney staff of advisers.


Jared loughner was not right wing you ignorant pos. Stop giving az a bad name.
 
2012-08-07 01:13:45 AM

theorellior: It's really weird how everyone has piled on to GAT_00 for some reason in the last couple of weeks. While I don't always share his views I've never come across him saying anything that would strike me as any more authoritarian or weird than any of the regulars to the Politics Tab who aren't in the League of FAIL™. Maybe it's his stance on gun control? Sometimes I think gun people just need to understand that others don't share their passion for weapons.


He also isn't much of a 1st amendment fan. And is a Penn State apologist.
 
2012-08-07 01:47:45 AM

theorellior: It's really weird how everyone has piled on to GAT_00 for some reason in the last couple of weeks. While I don't always share his views I've never come across him saying anything that would strike me as any more authoritarian or weird than any of the regulars to the Politics Tab who aren't in the League of FAIL™. Maybe it's his stance on gun control? Sometimes I think gun people just need to understand that others don't share their passion for weapons.


I really don't follow many people that closely to see patterns like this.

But, oh, off the top of my head, I'm gonna guess Penn State has something to do with it.

I could be mixing up who is what now, but I'm fairly certain that's the only reason his name sticks out like a sore thumb to me now.
 
2012-08-07 01:51:59 AM
Why are conservatives so violent?

www.apfn.org

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i.huffpost.com

sfist.com

msnbcmedia2.msn.com

Partial list of recent right-wing killers:

* Jim D. Adkisson, the "I hate liberals" shooter, who killed 2 and injured several when he shot up a liberal Unitarian church.
* Timothy McVeigh, registered Republican and anti-government nut case killed 168 Americans when he blew up a federal building.
* Joseph Paul Franklin, right-wing serial murderer who targeted minorities including Democrats Larry Flynt in 1978 and Vernon Jordan.
* Anders Breivik, Norwegian right-wing anti-muslim nut case who blew up a building and killed 69 sons and daugthers of liberal politicians.
* James Von Brunn, the holocaust museum shooter and white supremecist believed the media and gov't was controlled by jews
* Byron Williams, was on his way to killing liberals at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU before being stopped by cops.
* Timothy Johnson, walked into a Democrat Party headquarters and murdered the State Chair of the Democratic Party of Arkansas, Bill Gwatney, a man he had never met!
* Ted Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber killed several through cowardly mail bombs. His manifesto is riddled with hatred of liberals.
* Richard Poplawski, believed that jews controlled the media and that Obama was going to take his guns and shot dead three cops sent to evict him from mommy's home
* Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, father and son team and anti-government nut case "Patriots" bombed a bank and killed two police officers.
* Keith Luke, thought that the white race was dying off, raped a women, killed her sister, and shot dead a homeless man. He planned to kill as many blacks, hispanics, and jews as he could.
* Jerry and Joseph Kane, father and son team and Aryan church members killed two cops and injured two others in a traffic stop.
* Joseph Ray Stack, angry anti-tax protester flies a plane into an IRS building.
* John Patrick Bedell, anti-governemnt liberterian conspiracy theorist attemped to kill dozens at the Pentagon but was shot dead after injuring two.
* Shawna Forde, leader of the Minuteman American Defense group shot dead Raul Flores and his 9 year old daugther. The wife surved by playind dead.
* Bruce Ivins, suspected of mailing anthraz spores to two Democratic US Senators and several "liberal media" outlets, killing 5 and infecting 17 others.
* Eric Rudolph, anti-abortion murderer
* Michael Griffin, anti-abortion murderer
* Paul Hill, anti-abortion murderer and christian preacher
* John Salvi, anti-abortion murderer
* James Kopp, anti-abortion murderer
* Scott Roeder, anti-abortion murderer


The right wing needs to tone down the violence.
 
2012-08-07 02:15:47 AM

Hobo Jr.: You guys(some of you) got it lucky. These crazy right wingers are easy to spot and usually have only small support groups within a community.

I, however, live in the heart of Dixie and I could throw a rock into a crowd and hit ten people who think this Wisconsin nutbag is a martyr.


Really?? Name one. Send him an email explaining why you hate him and the beliefs you attribute to him.
 
2012-08-07 02:24:06 AM

MyRandomName: Jared loughner was not right wing you ignorant pos



Oh right, now according to Fark Independents, Libertarians who are anti-government like Jared are not "right wing"
 
2012-08-07 03:05:17 AM

mrshowrules: Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules:

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.

Well, if this was a normal website, I would now realize that I was wrong and apologize. Since this is Fark I'm going to insult your mother.

/Your mother voted for Bachmann!
//And she LIKED IT!

I would have preferred my mother is a whore comment over that vile post.


Actually i'm kind of drunk right now and I feel really bad :(

I'm sorry man. Forgive me?
 
2012-08-07 03:13:07 AM
The right had a fit over it. Hey...right...fark you.
 
2012-08-07 03:14:00 AM

Chimperror2: Hobo Jr.: You guys(some of you) got it lucky. These crazy right wingers are easy to spot and usually have only small support groups within a community.

I, however, live in the heart of Dixie and I could throw a rock into a crowd and hit ten people who think this Wisconsin nutbag is a martyr.

Really?? Name one. Send him an email explaining why you hate him and the beliefs you attribute to him.


Hahahaha! Look up above that post.
 
2012-08-07 03:14:36 AM

cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it


Your statement implies that these guys are your "side," part of your "team." Because otherwise you wouldn't be giving grief over grand standing, instead you'd be saying "wow, we were really wrong and these animals don't represent us in any way."

But you're not saying that, are you? You never cease to amaze me at just how low and disgusting you are.
 
2012-08-07 03:16:00 AM

Vodka Zombie: Bush had a lot of years to educate these assholes, but, instead, he chose to exploit and capitalize on their hatred by stoking their ignorance and fear.


Now I hate Dubya with the fire of a thousand suns, but you force me into an awkward position. You are actually forcing me to defend that clown.

Quite frankly - you are full of shiat. Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in. He did an amazing job keeping them on a leash, and seeing them now (off the leash) only underscores this point. He said many times that "we are at war with terrorists, not Islam," "Islam is a peaceful religion" etc. On this front, he did all one man could ever do.

Having to defend him... I feel so very dirty. I swell with anger and self-loathing. I hope you are happy you asshole.
 
2012-08-07 03:18:06 AM

bk3k: Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in.


Oh, bullshiat. He had one cute little speech about Muslims. That is all.
 
2012-08-07 03:30:35 AM

Sabyen91: bk3k: Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in.

Oh, bullshiat. He had one cute little speech about Muslims. That is all.


Its pretty well known the right wing message/propaganda talking points gets assembled/controlled/distributed behind the scenes. They all have the exact same thing to say at exactly the same time - pretty well every time. I mainly mean the talking heads, but their politicians tend to follow suit closely.

Now if you need evidence of the Bush administration doing this - look at what was said during their term versus what is openly said now. It is very clearly gotten much worse. In fact, the change was just about instant. Consider his connections to the Saudi family(for example), and you can see his motivations in doing this.

These wingers have ALWAYS been this hateful/xenophobic, but during his term where not (publicly) this brazen in showing their hatred. I don't mean your neighbor/coworker/etc - I mean the talking heads. The people who clearly control the message - and through the message - the thought processes of so many Americans.

So yes, he/his administration had these nutjobs on a leash. The comparison then-to-now clearly shows this.
 
2012-08-07 03:31:38 AM

mrshowrules: Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules: cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?

More Americans died of accidental shootings since 9/11 than on 9/11. Compare the news coverage on that gem.

An incident involving thousands of people dying at the same time on national television got more press coverage than a series of accidents in which random people died one at a time?!?!?!

THE HORROR!111111

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.


I get it. Let me try:

Every three years, more Americans are strangled to death by their own bedsheets then were killed by terrorists on 9/11. Where's the outrage?

Nope, doesn't work. Crib death isn't funny, and we should do more to prevent it, though we perhaps shouldn't go as far as banning bedding. But by the same token, there are far more accidental firearms deaths each year than there should be, including kids shooting other kids while playing with their parents' guns, fathers shooting sons while hunting together, etc. Better education and stricter regulation could prevent many of these deaths. So your attempt at satire doesn't quite work either.
 
2012-08-07 03:35:14 AM

bk3k: Sabyen91: bk3k: Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in.

Oh, bullshiat. He had one cute little speech about Muslims. That is all.

Its pretty well known the right wing message/propaganda talking points gets assembled/controlled/distributed behind the scenes. They all have the exact same thing to say at exactly the same time - pretty well every time. I mainly mean the talking heads, but their politicians tend to follow suit closely.

Now if you need evidence of the Bush administration doing this - look at what was said during their term versus what is openly said now. It is very clearly gotten much worse. In fact, the change was just about instant. Consider his connections to the Saudi family(for example), and you can see his motivations in doing this.

These wingers have ALWAYS been this hateful/xenophobic, but during his term where not (publicly) this brazen in showing their hatred. I don't mean your neighbor/coworker/etc - I mean the talking heads. The people who clearly control the message - and through the message - the thought processes of so many Americans.

So yes, he/his administration had these nutjobs on a leash. The comparison then-to-now clearly shows this.


I really hate how people give Bush a pass now that he is not in power. He was a horrible person and a horrible president. I know it is natural to give him a pass now that he has no power but no...he was farking horrible and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
 
2012-08-07 03:39:12 AM

mrshowrules: Nobodyn0se: mrshowrules: cabbyman: Has anyone mentioned that the amount of violence displayed in this incident is literally a weekly occurrence in Chicago?

More Americans died of accidental shootings since 9/11 than on 9/11. Compare the news coverage on that gem.

An incident involving thousands of people dying at the same time on national television got more press coverage than a series of accidents in which random people died one at a time?!?!?!

THE HORROR!111111

You missed my point. I was reflecting the lameness of the original point.


On the other hand, I agree with your larger point, that homicide rate in Chicago is not an apt comparison to a mass shooting (just as a mid-air collision of two jumbo jets that kills 500 people should not be considered insignificant simply because many more people than that are killed in road accidents every day). So I really have no idea why I just typed all those words.

Isn't insomnia wonderful?
 
2012-08-07 03:58:31 AM
But the Muslims... cuz sharia.
 
2012-08-07 03:59:12 AM

Sabyen91: bk3k: Sabyen91: bk3k: Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in.

Oh, bullshiat. He had one cute little speech about Muslims. That is all.

Its pretty well known the right wing message/propaganda talking points gets assembled/controlled/distributed behind the scenes. They all have the exact same thing to say at exactly the same time - pretty well every time. I mainly mean the talking heads, but their politicians tend to follow suit closely.

Now if you need evidence of the Bush administration doing this - look at what was said during their term versus what is openly said now. It is very clearly gotten much worse. In fact, the change was just about instant. Consider his connections to the Saudi family(for example), and you can see his motivations in doing this.

These wingers have ALWAYS been this hateful/xenophobic, but during his term where not (publicly) this brazen in showing their hatred. I don't mean your neighbor/coworker/etc - I mean the talking heads. The people who clearly control the message - and through the message - the thought processes of so many Americans.

So yes, he/his administration had these nutjobs on a leash. The comparison then-to-now clearly shows this.

I really hate how people give Bush a pass now that he is not in power. He was a horrible person and a horrible president. I know it is natural to give him a pass now that he has no power but no...he was farking horrible and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.


Oh I agree on all points that he was a HORRIBLE president - and illegitimately "elected" in the first place. He did so very many things wrong, and assembling a complete/comprehensive list could take solid weeks of free time. I'm so very not interested in giving him a "free pass." But consider that when there is so very much LEGITIMATE material to criticize him on, that hitting him on probably the only half-decent thing he ever did is absolutely needless and just senseless. It muddies the water and de-legitimizes his critics.

Yes, his horrible presidency should never be forgiven. You absolutely are correct to shiat on his administration, but lets stick to the facts. Thanks.
 
2012-08-07 04:47:15 AM

bk3k: Sabyen91: bk3k: Sabyen91: bk3k: Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in.

Oh, bullshiat. He had one cute little speech about Muslims. That is all.

Its pretty well known the right wing message/propaganda talking points gets assembled/controlled/distributed behind the scenes. They all have the exact same thing to say at exactly the same time - pretty well every time. I mainly mean the talking heads, but their politicians tend to follow suit closely.

Now if you need evidence of the Bush administration doing this - look at what was said during their term versus what is openly said now. It is very clearly gotten much worse. In fact, the change was just about instant. Consider his connections to the Saudi family(for example), and you can see his motivations in doing this.

These wingers have ALWAYS been this hateful/xenophobic, but during his term where not (publicly) this brazen in showing their hatred. I don't mean your neighbor/coworker/etc - I mean the talking heads. The people who clearly control the message - and through the message - the thought processes of so many Americans.

So yes, he/his administration had these nutjobs on a leash. The comparison then-to-now clearly shows this.

I really hate how people give Bush a pass now that he is not in power. He was a horrible person and a horrible president. I know it is natural to give him a pass now that he has no power but no...he was farking horrible and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Oh I agree on all points that he was a HORRIBLE president - and illegitimately "elected" in the first place. He did so very many things wrong, and assembling a complete/comprehensive list could take solid weeks of free time. I'm so very not interested in giving him a "free pass." But consider that when there is so very much LEGITIMATE material to criticize him on, that hitting him on probably the only half-decent thing he ever did is absolutely needless and just senseless. It muddies t ...


I am not sure what facts you are speaking of...
 
2012-08-07 04:51:07 AM

bk3k: Sabyen91: bk3k: Sabyen91: bk3k: Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in.

Oh, bullshiat. He had one cute little speech about Muslims. That is all.

Its pretty well known the right wing message/propaganda talking points gets assembled/controlled/distributed behind the scenes. They all have the exact same thing to say at exactly the same time - pretty well every time. I mainly mean the talking heads, but their politicians tend to follow suit closely.

Now if you need evidence of the Bush administration doing this - look at what was said during their term versus what is openly said now. It is very clearly gotten much worse. In fact, the change was just about instant. Consider his connections to the Saudi family(for example), and you can see his motivations in doing this.

These wingers have ALWAYS been this hateful/xenophobic, but during his term where not (publicly) this brazen in showing their hatred. I don't mean your neighbor/coworker/etc - I mean the talking heads. The people who clearly control the message - and through the message - the thought processes of so many Americans.

So yes, he/his administration had these nutjobs on a leash. The comparison then-to-now clearly shows this.

I really hate how people give Bush a pass now that he is not in power. He was a horrible person and a horrible president. I know it is natural to give him a pass now that he has no power but no...he was farking horrible and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Oh I agree on all points that he was a HORRIBLE president - and illegitimately "elected" in the first place. He did so very many things wrong, and assembling a complete/comprehensive list could take solid weeks of free time. I'm so very not interested in giving him a "free pass." But consider that when there is so very much LEGITIMATE material to criticize him on, that hitting him on probably the only half-decent thing he ever did is absolutely needless and just senseless. It muddies t ...


I am disgusted that people are giving him a pass on being a shiatty president. There is no excuse for that.
 
2012-08-07 05:42:43 AM

bk3k: Sabyen91: bk3k: Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in.

Oh, bullshiat. He had one cute little speech about Muslims. That is all.

Its pretty well known the right wing message/propaganda talking points gets assembled/controlled/distributed behind the scenes. They all have the exact same thing to say at exactly the same time - pretty well every time. I mainly mean the talking heads, but their politicians tend to follow suit closely.

Now if you need evidence of the Bush administration doing this - look at what was said during their term versus what is openly said now. It is very clearly gotten much worse. In fact, the change was just about instant. Consider his connections to the Saudi family(for example), and you can see his motivations in doing this.

These wingers have ALWAYS been this hateful/xenophobic, but during his term where not (publicly) this brazen in showing their hatred. I don't mean your neighbor/coworker/etc - I mean the talking heads. The people who clearly control the message - and through the message - the thought processes of so many Americans.

So yes, he/his administration had these nutjobs on a leash. The comparison then-to-now clearly shows this.


I really don't think they were "put on a leash" at all. I think it was more of a case of "hey, our guy is in power now, so obviously he's working on xyz behind the scenes. He can't go public with it thanks to those damn PC libz, so we should just be patient and everything will work itself out."

Then America elected a black guy and they all totally lost their shiat because their "patience" had been in vain.
 
2012-08-07 06:21:38 AM

GAT_00: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/08/04/missouri-prayer-am e ndment-vote_n_1739968.html


I disagree with everything you stand for, but appreciate you putting this info up here.

Also, Matthew 6 has something to say about praying in public. Mainly, "don't".
 
2012-08-07 07:15:43 AM
"Right wing extremeism"?

Don't you mean "The GOP base"?

Funny how they didn't care when GWB was in power.
 
2012-08-07 07:31:10 AM

Nome de Plume: We must disarm all Americans at once! It is the only way...


Yeah, let's not forget the real victim here - some short-dick with a closet full of guns, safe in his house, a thousand miles away.
F**kin' crybabies. I thought guns were supposed to make you a big, tough man. Looks more like they make you a crybaby-assed little pussy.
 
2012-08-07 07:44:16 AM

burning_bridge: cman: Grand standing of "I told you so" does not befit you, Kos, like it does not befit anyone else who does it

Your statement implies that these guys are your "side," part of your "team." Because otherwise you wouldn't be giving grief over grand standing, instead you'd be saying "wow, we were really wrong and these animals don't represent us in any way."

But you're not saying that, are you? You never cease to amaze me at just how low and disgusting you are.


How in the blue hell did you get all that from what I said?

FFS, I was just saying that "I told you so" is pointless stupidity.
 
2012-08-07 08:13:49 AM
The point at which I thought the Republican party had lost control of the "mob" they were throwing red meat at was at the end of the McCain campaign when he went to give his concession speech. He had a lot of trouble getting his crowd under control. I remember seeing that and thinking, "they've created a mob, set the tone, and promptly lost control of it".

It wasn't long before the Tea Party started protesting. Xenophobes and then racists started thinking it was okay to voice their opinions in public (even had a few try to "joke" with me about the President... people I didn't even know). Politicians started catering to some of these hate groups by enacting laws against things that aren't even an issue (banning Sharia law). The Republican party started blocking everything the President wanted to do or anything that might end up helping the country, even when they knew it was going to do things like hurt our credit rating.

Personally... I don't think this kind of thing is going to stop until the Republicans purge the racists from their ranks publicly and stop catering to those folks. Then the racists won't have a political home to turn to. It would marginalize them.

Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. I don't think the Republicans are strong enough of character to even admit that they've made a mistake and certainly not brave enough to purge the racists from their ranks. They've spent decades cultivating them as a voting demographic and it's all too easy for them to use the current President as a rallying point for their hatred... all in the name of gaining power. Which... as everyone knows... is the absolute most important thing to Republicans. Power is everything to them.
 
2012-08-07 08:17:30 AM

cman: I was just saying that "I told you so" is pointless stupidity.


Technically, "I told you so", isn't stupid or pointless. It lets the person who was incorrect know that they were incorrect and points to the fact that someone else was correct where they were wrong. In the future, it could serve us all well to look to those who were correct instead of continuing to listen to those that were not.

Not that the right wingers ever admit they were wrong... or learn from their mistakes. But that is what "I told you so" is really about.
 
2012-08-07 08:27:20 AM
There's a consensus now among Freepers and Foxers that this guy was a Manchurian Candidate who was created and manipulated by liberals in order to make conservatives "look bad". Because no conservative would ever be motivated to actually shoot at people. And besides, and Sikhs are Aryans, which means that they're Good Guys and thus no genuine conservative would ever shoot an Aryan.

Something like that.

Of course, at the same time they're cheering the burning of the Missouri mosque.
 
2012-08-07 08:51:30 AM

MyRandomName: Jared loughner was not right wing you ignorant pos


Yep. Nothing right-wing about anti-abortion stances, believing women should not serve in positions of authority or believing the government is a nefarious mechanism aimed at subverting American success. Nope. That's totally not a right-wing set of ideas at all. No siree.

You keep telling yourself, though, that this lunatic's insanity would have led him down exactly the same path if he'd been influenced by left-wing ideas like wind power, veganism and gay rights. Whatever it takes for you to pretend your ideas aren't killing Americans, I guess. If he'd fallen in with a wild pack of flamboyantly gay stereotypes he'd probably have killed just as many people. Yep. Totally.

Just like the guy in Pittsburgh who killed those cops because he thought they were coming to take his guns. He'd have probably killed them with a paring knife instead (coming to take his tofu, you know) if he'd been influenced by lefties instead of people like Bill O'Reilly. Or Adkisson. Or Scott Roeder. Or the guy who shot up the Holocaust museum. Or the people who burned the mosque in Joplin.

Yep... totally not a pattern here of right-wing terrorism.... not at all.... totally can't blame the increasingly misogynistic, racist, homophobic, xenophobic platform of the right. Nope. Not at all. This is allllllll a coincidence and the right's views are perfectly reasonable and sane and not in the least bit responsible for all these coincidental actions against the same people they're always ranting about. Alllll a coincidence.
 
2012-08-07 09:31:14 AM
The Department of Hind Sight has a good many studies on potential threats. If you dig deep enough you'll probably find stuff on Martians or rampaging Canadians.
None of it actually helps since they seem to ignore things that haven't already made the news.

Aside from that: This guy had a record for odd and criminal behavior. I'd think his motives would have be associated with a group or movement to graduate from lone gunman to organized terrorism.
This attack certainly qualifies as a hate crime, but it doesn't seem to be much more than that... yet.

/I don't think this is the tip of the iceberg we are looking for.
 
2012-08-07 10:10:56 AM

zarberg: Cletus C.: But seriously, white supremacists are like radiation. Not even their mothers love them. They sometimes get a missing-teethed, abused-by-father, firth-grade dropout babe to fight over but they're hated. By everybody.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic (which would mean you actually like white supremacists) or if you're doing one of those 5th-grade-esque course reversals in a desperate attempt to keep everyone from thinking you're an idiot.


Um, I think I'll go with B. But those weren't great choices, you'll have to admit.
 
2012-08-07 11:01:23 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I really don't follow many people that closely to see patterns like this. But, oh, off the top of my head, I'm gonna guess Penn State has something to do with it.


BSABSVR: He also isn't much of a 1st amendment fan. And is a Penn State apologist.


Ahhh, okay. I've been avoiding the Penn State threads for a reason.
 
2012-08-07 11:13:33 AM

way south: Aside from that: This guy had a record for odd and criminal behavior. I'd think his motives would have be associated with a group or movement to graduate from lone gunman to organized terrorism.
This attack certainly qualifies as a hate crime, but it doesn't seem to be much more than that... yet.

/I don't think this is the tip of the iceberg we are looking for.


How many "isolated incidents" have to occur before we stop pretending that this isn't a direct result of the radicalization of conservatism in America?

American conservatism has moved sharply toward the extreme over the last fifteen years. Numerous major market media outlets are now routinely airing homophobic, racist, xenophobic and politically heated rants from conservative talking heads. They have their own 24/7 news network. They have an established network of blogs and online conservative "news" sites.

When these radicalized nuts turn on their TV, they hear people ranting against liberals, gays, Mexicans, blacks, everybody they already hated and then when there's an uproar they see actual elected officials and major personalities rising to the defense of the hate speech. They believe that America has finally turned in the direction they've been claiming it would for the last fifty years and they believe that the time has come to actually do something about their crazy ideas and stop just talking about it and they pick up guns and they go shoot liberals and abortion doctors and immigrants and they bomb and burn churches and federal buildings.

Freedom of speech should be tempered by responsibility and with the right that's not happening anymore. They're marching around with signs threatening blood shed and shooting and then they're trying to pretend they hold no responsibility when blood shed and shooting happens.

This is terrorism and it's being pushed forward by what has become the mainstream conservative bloc. Irresponsible, incendiary and violent conservative hate speech is getting people killed. These are not isolated incidents, these are concerted acts of terror egged on by politicians and major media outlets. You don't get to spend years demonizing people and then act like it's not your fault when unhinged people go out and start trying to slay those "demons". Somebody tried that this past century. It got real ugly. And this is going to get real ugly too unless a lot of really irresponsible people on the right wise up real quick and start tempering their ugly outbursts with a little bit of personal responsibility. They can oppose the things they oppose and participate in legitimate political debates with their opponents without the constant invocations of violent imagery and it's time they learn how to do that again before they kill anybody else.
 
2012-08-07 11:42:08 AM
Over-zealous staffer White Guy, nothing to see here, move along.
 
2012-08-07 11:44:31 AM
Well to be fair here, it isn't like DHS and NSA and FBI ignored the report. It was just slammed by the usual suspects (herpaderpa conservative and teabaggers and racists) who wanted to attack Obama for it or didn' t like having their plans exposed.
 
2012-08-07 12:02:10 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: way south: Aside from that: This guy had a record for odd and criminal behavior. I'd think his motives would have be associated with a group or movement to graduate from lone gunman to organized terrorism.
This attack certainly qualifies as a hate crime, but it doesn't seem to be much more than that... yet.

/I don't think this is the tip of the iceberg we are looking for.

How many "isolated incidents" have to occur before we stop pretending that this isn't a direct result of the radicalization of conservatism in America?


Jim David Adkisson:

Isolated incident.

Scott Roeder:

Isolated incident.

Richard Poplawski:

Isolated incident.

James Cumming:

Isolated incident.

Joshua Cartwright:

Isolated incident.

Hal Turner:

Isolated incident.

James W. von Brunn:

Isolated incident.

Joshua Bowman:

Isolated incident.

John Brek:

Isolated incident.

Warren Taylor:

Isolated incident.

Mark Campano:

Isolated incident.

Charles Allan Dyer:

Isolated incident.

Gregory Girard:

Isolated incident.

JT Ready:

Isolated incident.

Dennis Mahon:

Isolated incident.

Joseph Stack:

Isolated incident. Plus, it was the IRS. We want to abolish it anyway.

Jared Loughner

Isolated Incident.

Wade Michael Page

Isolated incident.
 
2012-08-07 12:05:03 PM

theorellior: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I really don't follow many people that closely to see patterns like this. But, oh, off the top of my head, I'm gonna guess Penn State has something to do with it.

BSABSVR: He also isn't much of a 1st amendment fan. And is a Penn State apologist.

Ahhh, okay. I've been avoiding the Penn State threads for a reason.


And these two, among many others, are the reason...not GAT.
 
2012-08-07 12:48:53 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: How many "isolated incidents" have to occur before we stop pretending that this isn't a direct result of the radicalization of conservatism in America?


How many left wing bomb throwing communists did it take during the 50's and 60's to justify McCarthyism?

When we were done tearing our hair out and ruining peoples lives with false accusations and groundless suspicions, all that was at the bottom of it were a few anarchists and lunatics. All of them together had no singular message or movement. There was no war brewing and no mysterious front ready to destroy America. You could count the number of actual terrorist groups on your fingers.

Dozens of isolated incidents won't justify throwing Rush Libaugh in jail any more than it would justify rounding up all the kids wearing Che Guivara Tee-shirts. The thousands of headcases we've been ignoring since the budget for mental health was slashed don't represent anyones army.
I wouldn't give them further credence by pretending that they do.

We already have laws for dealing with hate speech, so you can feel free to route it out wherever you find it.
...But to go off half cocked on what you think is a conspiracy will only lead us down a path of good intentions to a very dark place.
 
2012-08-07 01:19:20 PM

way south: ...But to go off half cocked on what you think is a conspiracy will only lead us down a path of good intentions to a very dark place.


At no point did I call anything a conspiracy, suggest anybody be sent to prison for their speech or any of the other complete bullshiat items you invented in your desperate attempt to attack a point I never raised.

Do you have something to say in response to my actual comments or not? I won't sit here and have an argument with you over things you imagined I said.
 
2012-08-07 01:44:08 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: way south: ...But to go off half cocked on what you think is a conspiracy will only lead us down a path of good intentions to a very dark place.

At no point did I call anything a conspiracy, suggest anybody be sent to prison for their speech or any of the other complete bullshiat items you invented in your desperate attempt to attack a point I never raised.

Do you have something to say in response to my actual comments or not? I won't sit here and have an argument with you over things you imagined I said.


I apologize for misreading your direction then. Altho you do seem to throw around the terms terrorism and radicalization very loosely and selectively.
Are you willing to associate all hate crimes and rampage killings equally with their sources of inspiration?
 
2012-08-07 02:14:11 PM

way south: Are you willing to associate all hate crimes and rampage killings equally with their sources of inspiration?


I've stated my point clearly, either do the same or stop wasting my time. I'm not going to sit and respond to open-ended questions just so you can try and craft an argument around any response I give instead of just speaking your own opinion clearly.

Conservatism in this country has shifted sharply to the right in the last fifteen years. Intolerance against homosexuals, immigrants, women, liberals and non-christians has become routine among policymakers, candidates and major conservative media figures and when this intolerance is criticized even more members of the right leap to the defense of the intolerant instead of condemning their hate speech or calling for decorum.

This then lends a certain level of credibility to fringe lunatics like Wade. It is one thing for a bunch of angry skinhead nobodies to sit around writing screeds to one another about racial superiority and the decay of America at the hands of liberals and atheists. It's another thing entirely when you have sitting members of Congress, candidates and their spokespersons accusing people of being presidential usurpers or accusing their colleagues of being secret communists or suggesting we should "throw acid in the faces" of women that disagree with them.

The irresponsible rabble-rousing of right-wing politicians, the violent edge on their words, is driving lunatics to commit murders. Several killers have explicitly stated their political motivations and have been linked to an interest in people like Bill O'Reilly and Michael Savage.

You don't get to march around and wave your violent imagery and hateful speech and then cry foul when people point out that it has uncomfortable similarities to the stated opinions and goals of terrorists like Wade, Brunn, Roeder, and Adkisson. You don't get to cry foul when a deranged lunatic like Loughner attaches to your ideals before attempting to assassinate a Congresswoman and killing six other people including a nine year old girl.

It's long past time for the right to stop pretending that there's nothing wrong with marching about threatening violence, dehumanizing groups of people they disagree with and lending political and media credence to people who do those things. It's time for them to stop pretending overheated, angry rhetoric doesn't have consequences and it's time for them to start participating in discourse honestly and with level heads and reason.

Quit marching around talking about bringing back guns and watering the tree of liberty, quit dehumanizing liberals and gays and immigrants and muslims, and start acting like adults before you get anyone else killed. There's no reason conservatives can't engage in respectful dialogue without the violent imagery and barely-masked threats, they just won't and that needs to change.
 
2012-08-07 03:29:00 PM

bk3k: Now I hate Dubya with the fire of a thousand suns, but you force me into an awkward position. You are actually forcing me to defend that clown.

Quite frankly - you are full of shiat. Bush always controlled the message to rein these xenophobes in. He did an amazing job keeping them on a leash, and seeing them now (off the leash) only underscores this point. He said many times that "we are at war with terrorists, not Islam," "Islam is a peaceful religion" etc. On this front, he did all one man could ever do.

Having to defend him... I feel so very dirty. I swell with anger and self-loathing. I hope you are happy you asshole.



Except for the parts like

"WITH US OR WITH THE TERRORISTS"
 
2012-08-07 03:31:21 PM

way south: How many left wing bomb throwing communists did it take during the 50's and 60's to justify McCarthyism?



Name 5

McCarthyism was a witch hunt to stamp out liberalism and intellectuals, professors, anyone who dared question the conservative ruling class.

It's sickening you never learned from history. Typical authoritarians.
 
2012-08-07 04:34:05 PM

Sabyen91: Chimperror2: Hobo Jr.: You guys(some of you) got it lucky. These crazy right wingers are easy to spot and usually have only small support groups within a community.

I, however, live in the heart of Dixie and I could throw a rock into a crowd and hit ten people who think this Wisconsin nutbag is a martyr.

Really?? Name one. Send him an email explaining why you hate him and the beliefs you attribute to him.

Hahahaha! Look up above that post.


Seoul SK, is the heart of Dixie to you? I guess it has South in the name so I can see how it confused you.
 
2012-08-08 12:29:24 PM
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Vodka Zombie: Weaver95: Nadie_AZ:

No, I know. I just tire of the whole 'we are a christian nation' argument in which they demand we all be christians. The moment you ask them to define it, it goes to a pile of shiat, derp and aborted fetuses.

the 'we are a christian nation' people offend me on an almost genetic level. that is a demonstrably false allegation and it's something on a dominionist theologian would make up. it implies that ONLY christians are valid citizens of the US and that just pisses me the hell off.

Man... It's nice to see at least TWO people share my feelings.


Add me too


Make that four. The whole concept makes my gut clench in rage, and it's such incredibly horrible timing.
 
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