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(The Daily Beast)   Ever wonder which country does best at the Olympics after you control for population and GDP? Hint: It's called "Best Korea" for a reason   (andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com) divider line 74
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2012-08-06 01:40:36 PM
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Need to photoshop in a medal.
 
2012-08-06 02:07:46 PM
Being told that if you don't win gold your family will "disappear" is a strong motivator
 
2012-08-06 02:19:19 PM
Yes, when you only get food for winning medals, that does tend to help.
 
2012-08-06 02:55:12 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Being told that if you don't win gold your family will "disappear" is a strong motivator



And just imagine if somebody hates their family....you would see flopping that would put those badminton players to shame.
 
2012-08-06 03:11:01 PM
Nope, it's Slovenia and New Zealand. Complete chart here. Has been updated daily for this Olympics, if not more often.
 
2012-08-06 03:11:40 PM

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Nope, it's Slovenia and New Zealand. Complete chart here. Has been updated daily for this Olympics, if not more often.


That's only if you adjust for population. If you also adjust for GDP, it's NK.
 
2012-08-06 03:12:41 PM

DamnYankees: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Nope, it's Slovenia and New Zealand. Complete chart here. Has been updated daily for this Olympics, if not more often.

That's only if you adjust for population. If you also adjust for GDP, it's NK.


TECHNICALLY CORRECT IS BEST CORRECT
 
2012-08-06 03:14:20 PM
They should do the Olympics like they do class sports in High School...or the US senate. Everyone brings 1 or 2 athletes per sport. Screw the best in the world. Just the best from each country.
 
2012-08-06 04:45:57 PM

I_C_Weener: They should do the Olympics like they do class sports in High School...or the US senate. Everyone brings 1 or 2 athletes per sport. Screw the best in the world. Just the best from each country.


Which would make it like the MLB all-star game, where even if your team has absolutely nobody even remotely good on it, you still get a representative on the team.
 
2012-08-06 04:51:37 PM

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Nope, it's Slovenia and New Zealand. Complete chart here. Has been updated daily for this Olympics, if not more often.


It's Best Korea, it's ALWAYS Best Korea.
 
2012-08-06 04:54:08 PM
Yes well when you take your best athletes and either harvest their organs if they lose or force them onto athlete breeding farms if they win, then you too can produce a race of super athletes.

Given that the state of genetics have grown by leaps and bounds Best Korea and China should be leading the medal counts, because of their breeding programs.
 
2012-08-06 04:55:44 PM
This one shows medals relative to population above the poverty line, and has the top five as Jamaica, Slovenia, Denmark, New Zealand, and Hungary:

2012 London Olympic Power Rankings
 
2012-08-06 05:07:59 PM

dletter: I_C_Weener: They should do the Olympics like they do class sports in High School...or the US senate. Everyone brings 1 or 2 athletes per sport. Screw the best in the world. Just the best from each country.

Which would make it like the MLB all-star game, where even if your team has absolutely nobody even remotely good on it, you still get a representative on the team.


Exactly, and the country which wins the most medals gets to lead the UN for 2 years
 
2012-08-06 05:10:24 PM
Blogger covers failed logic and dumbass assertions with "probably"s and "maybe"s.

/Your logic sucks.
//Your blog sucks more.
 
2012-08-06 05:11:51 PM

Lost Thought 00: dletter: I_C_Weener: They should do the Olympics like they do class sports in High School...or the US senate. Everyone brings 1 or 2 athletes per sport. Screw the best in the world. Just the best from each country.

Which would make it like the MLB all-star game, where even if your team has absolutely nobody even remotely good on it, you still get a representative on the team.

Exactly, and the country which wins the most medals gets to lead the UN for 2 years


Like the Homecoming Carnival?!?!?! Sweeeeeet...

/Lambda
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2012-08-06 05:12:32 PM

DamnYankees: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Nope, it's Slovenia and New Zealand. Complete chart here. Has been updated daily for this Olympics, if not more often.

That's only if you adjust for population. If you also adjust for GDP, it's NK.


The GDP adjustment in this case is dumb though because:

1) Dictatorships have a tendency to spend money on the wrong things
2) Dictatorships can also accomplish a lot of things without the same expense
 
2012-08-06 05:22:47 PM
And as soon as the NK GDP goes to zero, this metric will go to infinity.

/sue me, math nazis
 
2012-08-06 05:27:30 PM

SevenizGud: And as soon as the NK GDP goes to approaches zero, this metric will go to approach infinity.

/sue me, math nazis awesome people

 
2012-08-06 05:31:02 PM
can we at least agree to exclude the "fringe" sports from consideration? China has like 20 medals in ping pong, badminton, 'jumping on the trampoline', and 'walking very very fast'.
 
2012-08-06 05:32:34 PM
When your GDP is $12 per person, it's easy to win at this metric.
 
2012-08-06 05:34:49 PM
i_got_nuthin
can we at least agree to exclude the "fringe" sports from consideration? China has like 20 medals in ping pong, badminton, 'jumping on the trampoline', and 'walking very very fast'.

Who gets the medal in horse dancing, the horse or the monkey on its back?
 
2012-08-06 05:48:29 PM

HellFace: SevenizGud: And as soon as the NK GDP goes to approaches zero, this metric will go to approach infinity.

/sue me, math nazis awesome people


A truly awesome person would have provided a long-winded explanation of the difference between infinite quotient and undefined terms, rather than a weak, semantic reference to infinitesimals that don't even apply because the NK GDP really could become zero in a finite number of steps.
 
2012-08-06 06:03:27 PM

i_got_nuthin: can we at least agree to exclude the "fringe" sports from consideration? China has like 20 medals in ping pong, badminton, 'jumping on the trampoline', and 'walking very very fast'.


No. One country's fringe sport is another country's obsession. There are millions upon millions of people on this planet who take ping-pong and badminton very, very seriously. request denied.
 
2012-08-06 06:05:20 PM
But but but everyone knows North Korea lies about its own productivity!
 
2012-08-06 06:12:14 PM

JohnBigBootay: i_got_nuthin: can we at least agree to exclude the "fringe" sports from consideration? China has like 20 medals in ping pong, badminton, 'jumping on the trampoline', and 'walking very very fast'.

No. One country's fringe sport is another country's obsession. There are millions upon millions of people on this planet who take ping-pong and badminton very, very seriously. request denied.


And really there's actually a lot more people interested in those two sports than something like the triple jump or dressage - if you're going to get rid of stupid shiat start with anything on a horse....
 
2012-08-06 06:14:07 PM
Dammit. I can has closed italics tag?
 
2012-08-06 06:26:57 PM
Does this mean Pyongyang is now on a short list to host the games in 2040?
 
2012-08-06 06:33:56 PM
And in the end, it's meaningless.

I was a kid and grew up with Romania winning loads of the gymnastics and East Germany winning all the women's track events. Made them look awesome when in reality, they were two of the worst countries in Europe and were winning medals by throwing a fortune at these sports, screening kids at school for athletics abilities, using performance enhancing drugs and things like getting distance runners pregnant and then aborting the foetus before the race (pregnancy strengthens the heart).

Britain's winning all the velodrome medals because we've poured National Lottery money into cycling. Doesn't mean we're necessarily a great cycling nation, though.
 
2012-08-06 06:43:39 PM
Is this really surprising to anyone? Under "communism" athletes are chosen from a very early age and do nothing but receive high performance training up to their adulthood. Being athletes is their one and only duty, while in the US you have to worry about college or paying for club sports, which alienates a lot of underprivileged kids. This is also why Cuba does so well in international athletic competitions.
 
2012-08-06 06:53:38 PM
If you control for height, asianness, and Jucheitude, Best Korea does even better.

Similarlly: f you wonder which quarterback is best by measuring pre-snap gyrations per touchdown, Peyton Manning is the best QB ever.
 
2012-08-06 07:02:45 PM

SevenizGud: And as soon as the NK GDP goes to zero, this metric will go to infinity.

/sue me, math nazis


THIS divided by something approaching zero.
 
2012-08-06 07:10:57 PM
How's it work out if the medal count included all of the teammates who participated in the win.
 
2012-08-06 07:21:08 PM
Stupid and useless statistics are stupid and useless.
 
2012-08-06 07:29:54 PM
Why would we adjust for these things?
 
2012-08-06 07:35:50 PM

Relatively Obscure: Why would we adjust for these things?


Because it's not NEWS, It's FARK.
 
2012-08-06 07:37:47 PM

Relatively Obscure: Why would we adjust for these things?


Because they hate America (well... North America anyway... the only useful part) and white people.
 
2012-08-06 07:46:53 PM

b04155: How's it work out if the medal count included all of the teammates who participated in the win.


I was wondering about why the medal count is by event instead of the actual number of medals handed out.
 
2012-08-06 08:05:17 PM

davidphogan: b04155: How's it work out if the medal count included all of the teammates who participated in the win.

I was wondering about why the medal count is by event instead of the actual number of medals handed out.


This is why the whole medal counting thing is silly.

A swimmer can collect 5 distinct medals over 2-3 days (for maybe an hour -total- competition), yet team sports like soccer and basketball that last the whole Olympics, playing 6-10 matches 2+ hours apiece only count as 1.
 
2012-08-06 08:09:11 PM
Someone go run the numbers on athlete minutes spent competing per medal.
 
2012-08-06 08:11:30 PM

davidphogan: b04155: How's it work out if the medal count included all of the teammates who participated in the win.

I was wondering about why the medal count is by event instead of the actual number of medals handed out.


Because adjusting like that helped make the point the adjuster wanted to make.
 
2012-08-06 09:30:54 PM
Dang, I was hoping it was Kazakhstan. Before today they had more golds than Russia.
 
2012-08-07 12:16:33 AM

i_got_nuthin: can we at least agree to exclude the "fringe" sports from consideration? China has like 20 medals in ping pong, badminton, 'jumping on the trampoline', and 'walking very very fast'.


Swimming is a fringe sport in some countries (like Korea).

US medal tally sans swimming;
Gold - 13
Silver - 7
Bronze - 13
Total - 33

Welcome to third place !
 
2012-08-07 12:53:00 AM

b04155: How's it work out if the medal count included all of the teammates who participated in the win.


You didn't win that!
 
Heb
2012-08-07 03:38:09 AM
"Total" medals are an irrelevant statistic. The Olympics are ranked by the number of gold medals you get. Silver and bronze just distinguish when there is a tie.
 
2012-08-07 04:22:00 AM

JohnBigBootay: Someone go run the numbers on athlete minutes spent competing per medal.


Do prelims count or just the medal rounds?
 
2012-08-07 06:08:54 AM

The Bestest: This is why the whole medal counting thing is silly.

A swimmer can collect 5 distinct medals over 2-3 days (for maybe an hour -total- competition), yet team sports like soccer and basketball that last the whole Olympics, playing 6-10 matches 2+ hours apiece only count as 1.


And this...

If there any point in swimming butterfly, except that it's a competitive stroke? Would anyone who was aiming to get from one place to another swim butterfly over breaststroke or front crawl? It's completely redundant as far as I can tell.
 
2012-08-07 06:58:09 AM

farkeruk: The Bestest: This is why the whole medal counting thing is silly.

A swimmer can collect 5 distinct medals over 2-3 days (for maybe an hour -total- competition), yet team sports like soccer and basketball that last the whole Olympics, playing 6-10 matches 2+ hours apiece only count as 1.

And this...

If there any point in swimming butterfly, except that it's a competitive stroke? Would anyone who was aiming to get from one place to another swim butterfly over breaststroke or front crawl? It's completely redundant as far as I can tell.


yeah might as well just have doggie paddle as an event
 
2012-08-07 07:30:07 AM

Gobobo: i_got_nuthin: can we at least agree to exclude the "fringe" sports from consideration? China has like 20 medals in ping pong, badminton, 'jumping on the trampoline', and 'walking very very fast'.

Swimming is a fringe sport in some countries (like Korea).

US medal tally sans swimming;
Gold - 13
Silver - 7
Bronze - 13
Total - 33

Welcome to third place !


Best Korea bans swimming out of fear that defections would go way up. Koreans never doggie paddle because they eat doggie in Korea.
 
2012-08-07 09:39:18 AM

Gobobo:
US medal tally sans swimming;
Gold - 13
Silver - 7
Bronze - 13
Total - 33

Welcome to third place !


Take out the useless medals and swimming and China drops like a rock.

Gold - 18
Silver - 8
Bronze - 8
Total - 29

Welcome to sucking it.
 
2012-08-07 10:09:25 AM
Honestly, from an American's POV, the bulk of the Olympics are "useless" sports.

When do americans in large groups watch swim meets in any significant numbers other than during the Olympics? Or track and field events? How are those any more popular outside of 2 weeks every 4 years than badminton, table tennis, team handball or water polo?

I'll grant you, NBC pumps up the gymnastics, swimming/diving and track & field more than a lot of the other sports, but, outside of the olympics, they are just as "popular" to watch.

I kept it just americans, since, I don't know how popular some of those things are in other countries (the non-tennis racquet sports I know are much more popular in SE Asia... I think Track and Field type events are more popular as spectator events in Europe than here, etc).
 
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