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2012-08-06 05:25:59 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The media is more afraid of charges of liberal bias than they are of looking incompetent. So Mitt gets to lie with impunity, and both sides are still always equally bad.


And voters are less interested in facts. Politics will sink as low as the voters allow. That's why negative ads and lies persist.
 
2012-08-06 05:28:46 PM  

runwiz: So Romney lied. Big deal. He's a politician running for office. He's expected to lie. The real issue is why CNN, Politico, and other media outlets didn't call him out on it rather than accepting the lie.


Perhaps because oh I don't know... people like you don't think lying is a big deal and should be expected with politicians?

I'm just spitballin here.
 
2012-08-06 05:31:10 PM  

randomjsa: What the law does is give special consideration to members of the military because... Shockingly... They have different circumstances.

Now you can argue that Republicans are only giving them special voting privileges because the military tends to support Republicans but then you're stuck and that's where the spin begins. After all you can't really admit that you don't want to give special voting privileges to the military just because they don't vote the way you like. That would be a disaster for you. So you have to do what Maddow's site is doing, which is spin this like absolute mad until you finally get something stupid and then... Call Romney a liar for not agreeing with you.

Giving members of the military a short period of time to vote before the election all to themselves because they have special circumstances? That's a law suit. Not agreeing with a two bit left wing hack makes you a liar.


When in previous years the early voting period has been open to ALL voters in Ohio? Yeah, that sounds like there's an issue there.

stupid troll
 
2012-08-06 05:49:52 PM  
I once said something that makes sense. I regret it to this day.
 
2012-08-06 05:51:44 PM  

WTF Indeed: Maddow-dick sucker


You sound jealous.
 
2012-08-06 05:58:34 PM  

WTF Indeed: I made it because here in America when you want to insult someone for sucking up to someone else a phrase you can use is "sucking their cock". So since this was a Maddow blog, and the author mentioned her by her first name a few times I decided to use the phrase "maddow dick-sucker". Perhaps you might see it has some kind of anti-gay slur or anti-woman insult, or it could be that you never got passed the phrase "Maddow dick-sucker" which is fine if you're 12.


All your explaining about how cool it is to use the phrase "sucking their cock" when talking about a gay woman doesn't really do much to paint me as the 12 year old, dude.

Fluorescent Testicle: I don't think he's a bigot - he dislikes her because of her beliefs, not her gender, and "Dicksucker" is more of a generalised insult than a homophobic one.


The 12 and 13 year old dumbasses screaming "fark you ni**er" when you're playing halo online probably aren't motivated by racism, either. But there, like here, their intent does not change the nature of the insult.
 
2012-08-06 05:59:33 PM  

HighOnCraic: WTF Indeed: The job of Romney's comments where to outrage his voting block that is currently wanning, and the job of this article to outrage the liberal voting block whose support of the President is rocky at best.

Romney's spin on this story is absolutely false. If Obama wins the lawsuit, soldiers get to vote early; if Obama loses the lawsuit, soldiers still get to vote early. And yet Romney is trying to spin this as "Obama is screwing over the soldiers!" Why is it so awful to point out the fact that Romney is lying?


Pointing out verifiable facts is "liberal spin."
 
2012-08-06 06:07:46 PM  
None of this rampant lying could take place without having consequences for the liars if the population was not a bunch of wimped out pussies.

Amerika is not getting farked in the ass cause it's filled with good people. It's a collection of stupid selfish dirtbags.
 
2012-08-06 06:12:33 PM  
It's amazing to me how one phrase made all of you so mad. You people are easy to fool. You are such bleeding hearts that when met with an argument that contradicts your own, you go over the easy attack. The guy was obviously talking about the crumminess of the article, yet you lot decided to focus on "dick-sucker". It's no wonder conservatives kick your asses.
 
2012-08-06 06:15:21 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: The 12 and 13 year old dumbasses screaming "fark you ni**er" when you're playing halo online probably aren't motivated by racism, either. But there, like here, their intent does not change the nature of the insult.


True enough, I suppose. I guess I've been on the receiving end of far too many genuine homophobic and/or misogynistic insults; calling bigotry where there isn't any just seems to cheapen the word to me.

We can, however, agree that he's a moron, right? :)
 
2012-08-06 06:19:23 PM  

Outrageous Muff: It's amazing to me how one phrase made all of you so mad. You people are easy to fool. You are such bleeding hearts that when met with an argument that contradicts your own, you go over the easy attack. The guy was obviously talking about the crumminess of the article, yet you lot decided to focus on "dick-sucker". It's no wonder conservatives kick your asses.


Why don't you cry about it more.

No one was mad, they were just laughing at him and mocking him for sounding like a 12 year old.
 
2012-08-06 06:25:28 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Ctrl-Alt-Del: The 12 and 13 year old dumbasses screaming "fark you ni**er" when you're playing halo online probably aren't motivated by racism, either. But there, like here, their intent does not change the nature of the insult.

True enough, I suppose. I guess I've been on the receiving end of far too many genuine homophobic and/or misogynistic insults; calling bigotry where there isn't any just seems to cheapen the word to me.

We can, however, agree that he's a moron, right? :)


Yeah, that's a pretty easy meeting point. And I see your point, but I think the nature of the discussion (several posts each) has made it seem more of a blow up than it really is
 
2012-08-06 06:25:39 PM  

WTF Indeed: Vodka Zombie: Tell us who hurt you. What did the bad man do?

This is a story for people who have a certain point of view and wish to feed it. The author does not go into detail about why politicians can say things and get away with it to a certain degree. This article is more an attack on other media outlets, than it is a critique of a news media that prefers ratings to journalism. The job of Romney's comments where to outrage his voting block that is currently wanning, and the job of this article to outrage the liberal voting block whose support of the President is rocky at best. It's a prime example of "Okay, so you don't like me as much anymore, but you should see how terrible the other guy is!"


Except, in order to do this, one side is blatantly lying, and other side is telling the truth. That is a difference that used to matter. It still should.
 
2012-08-06 07:00:09 PM  
I watch Maddow from time to time because she's hilarious when she has on right-wing guests. I've noticed that she generally corrects or clarifies things that she gets wrong.

How often do you see Fox News offer a correction or apology?
 
2012-08-06 07:00:25 PM  

Ned Stark: I once said something that makes sense. I regret it to this day.


pubrecord.org
 
2012-08-06 07:23:50 PM  

Jackson Herring: sprawl15: SoupJohnB: This thread went full retard

It's as if words no longer have any meaning, and the politics tab has become so blisteringly stupid, Farkers believe they can say literally anything and get away with it

are you saying that both sides are bad??????!?!?!?!?!


...so read RandomJSA's posts.
 
2012-08-06 07:24:37 PM  
Why does the American media refuse to use the word LIE? No matter how blatant, how provable, how egregious, they won't say that anybody lied.
 
2012-08-06 07:43:24 PM  

impaler:
Pointing out verifiable facts is "liberal spin."


Verifiable facts are also known as Libfacts™ and are therefore anathema.
 
2012-08-06 07:49:37 PM  

Solid Muldoon: Why does the American media refuse to use the word LIE? No matter how blatant, how provable, how egregious, they won't say that anybody lied.


Watch Lawrence O'Donnell some time.
 
2012-08-06 08:10:45 PM  

timujin: randomjsa: After all you can't really admit that you don't want to give special voting privileges to the military just because they don't vote the way you like. That would be a disaster for you.

No one is talking about not giving early voting privileges to the military, regardless of how they vote.

So you have to do what Maddow's site is doing, which is spin this like absolute mad until you finally get something stupid and then... Call Romney a liar for not agreeing with you.

No, she's calling Romney a liar for lying. For saying things that are contrary to reality.

Giving members of the military a short period of time to vote before the election all to themselves because they have special circumstances? That's a law suit. Not agreeing with a two bit left wing hack makes you a liar.

No, taking away early voting privileges from the rest of the state, that's a law suit.

Thing is, all of this is based on readily available facts. Your continue contention to the contrary indicates that you're either a troll or weapons-grade stupid. Which is it?


Not to mention that it is illegal and violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It is funny that all of these right wingers always scream that Obama is violating the constitution, but they are always the first ones willing to ball it up and wipe their asses with it.
 
2012-08-06 08:25:11 PM  

ongbok: Not to mention that it is illegal and violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. It is funny that all of these right wingers always scream that Obama is violating the constitution, but they are always the first ones willing to ball it up and wipe their asses with it.


Silly Lib. Everyone knows that all those amendments after the 10th don't count.
 
2012-08-06 08:30:58 PM  

AirForceVet: WTF Indeed: Dusk-You-n-Me: Romney is a serial liar. A vote for him is a vote for nothing. Or anything, depending on the man's ambitions at that moment.

Okay, that's a nice block o' links there, but now that we know the obvious let's see if we can't understand HOW Romney and ALL politicians get away with lies.

Easy. People keep voting for them blindly and not holding them accountable for this character flaw.

As Mittens so obviously lies at every chance he opens his mouth (just like Bush II did while he was President), I'm voting for President Obama because he's kept most of his promises from his 2008 campaign and been pretty straight with us over his first term.


*Republitard rant

B-b-but GITMO!

/Republitard rant

Know a guy that brings this up every time Obama's promises are mentioned.
 
2012-08-06 08:45:01 PM  

Outrageous Muff: It's amazing to me how one phrase made all of you so mad. You people are easy to fool. You are such bleeding hearts that when met with an argument that contradicts your own, you go over the easy attack. The guy was obviously talking about the crumminess of the article, yet you lot decided to focus on "dick-sucker". It's no wonder conservatives kick your asses.


No, that's not it. It's that we're ploughing the same unproductive ground we did a few weeks ago in another thread, and I daresay that's what rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

That one guy has a bug up his butt about MSNBC. If he doesn't like it, fine, it's his right, the network's not so perfect that it's above criticism. But his particular criticism of MSNBC as the exact mirror image of FNC not only doesn't jibe with most peoples' experience, it comes from his above-it-all, superior, you're-all-blind-except-me pose. And if there's one thing the typical Farker hates it's that pose.

Go reread that guy's firs few posts ITT again -- he came in here acting like a wounded little snowflake. It's less his phrasing than his butthurt from a couple weeks ago that set everyone off.
 
2012-08-06 09:07:02 PM  

extroverted_suicide: sprawl15: Since Romney republican. Political a better America, and unless you first have to stop and let the real Americans.

pokerface.jpg

... Indeed.


Hello, fellow American. This you should vote me. I leave power good. Thank you. Thank you! If you vote me I'm hot. What? Taxes? They'll be lower, son. The democratic vote for me is right thing to do, Philadelphia. So do.
 
2012-08-06 09:16:03 PM  
So when 0bama lies it's ok. You libtard hypocrites are too predictable.
 
2012-08-06 09:38:03 PM  

Mearen: So when 0bama lies it's ok. You libtard hypocrites are too predictable.


When has Obama lied?

Citations and explanations of the lie please.
 
2012-08-06 10:08:45 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: WTF Indeed: Romney = Liar.

On this, we agree. Allow me to expand.

- In the same interview, he asserted "we have not" increased trade with Latin America.

That's not true. Since early 2009, the exports of goods and services to Latin America have increased nearly 50 percent. (Obama also signed trade deals with Panama and Colombia.)

- Romney said "it was illegal" for the Aurora gunman to have his arsenal.

That's not true. The gunman in Aurora purchased his guns and ammunition legally.

- Romney told donors this week that Ronald Reagan was so focused on the economy after taking office in 1981, he told his aides not to schedule any national security meetings in his first 100 days as president.

That's so ridiculously false it seemed to thoroughly annoy Republican media figures, including Bill Kristol and Marc Thiessen.

- Romney went on to say, "I'm not looking for tax breaks for high-income folks."

Yes, he is.



There's four, on a page with TWENTY-SIX examples. Link

And that's volume one of TWENTY-SEVEN and counting.

Previous editions of Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity:

Vol.  I,  II,  III,  IV,  V,  VI,  VII,  VIII,  IX,  X,  XI,  XII,XIII,  XIV,  XV,  XVI, XVII,  XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI,  XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI

And why not a few more.

WaPo

Boston Phoenix

US News & World Report

Pensito Review

NY Mag

Pundit Wire

WaPo

Veracity Stew

Guardian UK

Politifact

Romney is a serial liar. A vote for him is a vote for nothing. Or anything, depending on the man's ambitions at that moment.


Bam! Like a spice weasel!
 
2012-08-06 10:33:49 PM  
Actually, as I read the law from the State of Ohio the early voting period does not just extend to military, it also applies to those who normally reside outside of the state (expats).

The law also does not apply to anyone, except those who are present within Ohio on the 4-5 day period prior to election day.

As noted in another thread on this topic:

1. If Obama wins the suit, military members retain their right to vote in the early election period.

2. If Obama loses the suit, military members retain their right to vote in the early election period.
 
2012-08-06 11:03:19 PM  

ongbok: Mearen: So when 0bama lies it's ok. You libtard hypocrites are too predictable.

When has Obama lied?

Citations and explanations of the lie please.


Politifact has databases on both candidates. They've been tracking Obama for much longer, but Romney has already surpassed Obama in percentage of true to false statements.

Not the most scientific record but it certainly shows Obama lies and gets his facts wrong a lot. He also seems to think a lot of things he's doing are unprecedented, when they are not.

Obama's Politifact File

True:________23%
Mostly True:___23%
Half True:____25%
Mostly False:__12%
False:_______15%
Pants on Fire:_2%

Romney's Politifact File

True:________15%
Mostly True:___14%
Half True:_____28%
Mostly False:__15%
False:_______18%
Pants on Fire:__9%

It's interesting that Obama's lies are mostly exaggerations about his accomplishments thus far, while Romney's are mostly exaggerations about Obama's failures, though some exaggerations of his own time as governor as well. Obviously that's a product of Romney taking on an incumbent, but interesting none the less.
 
2012-08-06 11:50:24 PM  

The Muthaship: How many grenades are you willing to dive on to save this guy, Rachel?


Huh? I'm trying to parse that in a way that might make sense. Rachel trying to save... Mitt??
 
2012-08-07 12:06:51 AM  
Lol - I got a particularly reproachful look from a far right acquaintance when he asked what I thought of Romney. I said:

'If Romney said it was Tuesday, I would know one thing: He was in an area where his handlers thought his target audience liked Tuesday.'

/I am ashamed of 'my' Republican Party.
//Neo-Cons are neither - new or conservative.
///I got thrown out of my high school PolySci class 35+ years ago for stating I didn't like Republican policy but that I thought the Democrats were incompetent. Today = 'this', but now Republican policy appears to have zero basis in reality.
 
2012-08-07 12:13:56 AM  

WTF Indeed: Wow, there are lot of whiny babies in here complaining about me making fun of an MSNBC blogger. He isn't going to suck your dicks, gentlemen.


You certainly threadshiatted this one to death. Mission farking accomplished.
 
2012-08-07 12:43:29 AM  

ginandbacon: LOL! The fark is going on in this thread??


WTF Indeed is a giant blubbering vagina, and he's really making a mess of the place.
 
2012-08-07 04:18:20 AM  

starsrift: WTF Indeed: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Maybe my interpretation is overbroad - if you meant this solely as an gay slur, just say so. But it seems very much like it is also a put-down intended to make sure everyone knows exactly how much regard you hold for that uppity woman in addition to being an anti-gay slur

I made it because here in America when you want to insult someone for sucking up to someone else a phrase you can use is "sucking their cock". So since this was a Maddow blog, and the author mentioned her by her first name a few times I decided to use the phrase "maddow dick-sucker". Perhaps you might see it has some kind of anti-gay slur or anti-woman insult, or it could be that you never got passed the phrase "Maddow dick-sucker" which is fine if you're 12.

The real question is why "ass-kissing" and then the further extension of it, "brown-nosing", went out of style.


He used "dick sucker" instead of "ass kisser" in order to imply that Maddow is really a man because she has short hair and likes girls. Referring to Rachel Maddow as "he" is a tired old joke, once beloved of homophobic right-wing idiots like WTF Indeed, that I thought was long since dead and buried.

/THIS is the sort of stimulating intellectual discourse that brings me back to Fark every time!
 
2012-08-07 05:55:09 AM  

dehehn: Politifact has databases on both candidates.


Yes, Politifact, that bastion of unbiased truth-keeping. They said Harry Reid was a "Pants on Fire" liar for claiming Romney paid 0 taxes. Reid says he talked to a trusted source, so it's completely unbiased to call him a "Pants on Fire" liar especially when you have no access to the source Reid is talking about.
 
2012-08-07 06:15:45 AM  

Emracool the Aeons Hip: dehehn: Politifact has databases on both candidates.

Yes, Politifact, that bastion of unbiased truth-keeping. They said Harry Reid was a "Pants on Fire" liar for claiming Romney paid 0 taxes. Reid says he talked to a trusted source, so it's completely unbiased to call him a "Pants on Fire" liar especially when you have no access to the source Reid is talking about.


May be in error, but I think the one tax return we do have says he paid more than 0 that year, thus turning his absolute into a lie. Furthermore, I'm betting that while he cheated on his taxes, he paid something or other every year.
 
2012-08-07 06:21:19 AM  
Does anyone still watch the TV?

I think Youtube videos about cats get more eyes than an MSNBC prime time show.
 
2012-08-07 07:47:54 AM  
So Fox and MSNBC are the same.

Single example: how many pictures do you have of Democrats in trouble, shown on MSNBC with "R" after their names?

Both are slanted. One is a habitual liar.
 
2012-08-07 08:34:30 AM  
Jiminy Jillikers!!!!! Say it ain't so.
 
2012-08-07 11:59:40 AM  

Greil: May be in error, but I think the one tax return we do have says he paid more than 0 that year, thus turning his absolute into a lie.


Harry Reid specifically excluded the last two years when making that statement, so whether or not Romney paid taxes in 2010 or 2011 has no bearing on the truthfulness of the statement.
 
2012-08-07 12:07:52 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: The media is more afraid of charges of liberal bias than they are of looking incompetent. So Mitt gets to lie with impunity, and both sides are still always equally bad.


I don't know; sometimes I think that they're just lazy. Why actually look into a story -something that will take actual work and might lead to you getting hassled by partisans- when you can just print press releases? The funny thing about it is that these days you've got a far better chance to see competent reporting from Gawker sites than you are from "serious" pages like Politico.
 
2012-08-07 10:08:01 PM  

Emracool the Aeons Hip: dehehn: Politifact has databases on both candidates.

Yes, Politifact, that bastion of unbiased truth-keeping. They said Harry Reid was a "Pants on Fire" liar for claiming Romney paid 0 taxes. Reid says he talked to a trusted source, so it's completely unbiased to call him a "Pants on Fire" liar especially when you have no access to the source Reid is talking about.


They have some issues, sure. But they've amended mistakes in the past and I think if you look through that list of investigations you'll find they're usually pretty spot on. I agree the Harry Reid thing was pretty stupid of them, but you can't disregard all of their work because of it.

They explain their reasoning for all of their assertions and they attack both sides for controversial statements fairly equally. They're not perfect, but they're the best fact checking member of the 4th estate we have.

I'm fine with everyone keeping them in line, but don't act like they all the sudden have no value because of a few mistakes.
 
2012-08-07 11:57:36 PM  

dehehn: but don't act like they all the sudden have no value because of a few mistakes.


What value do they have if they're not reliable?
 
2012-08-08 12:19:23 AM  
Sociopathic behavior.
 
2012-08-08 11:03:36 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: dehehn: but don't act like they all the sudden have no value because of a few mistakes.

What value do they have if they're not reliable?


No one is 100% reliable, that's an unfair standard to have. They are comprised of humans, who make mistakes, and bad decisions. They have value because they put a spotlight on lies made by politicians, unlike most of our media. They also tell you how and why they came to that decision so you can decide whether or not you like their reasons for coming to that decision.

Clinton got a blowjob in the oval office, does that instantly disqualify everything he ever did or will do?

We are not a utopia, and we're a long ways off from perfection. Like I said, we should hold them accountable for their mistakes, and demand they try harder, but expecting perfection and throwing anyone under the bus who makes mistakes leaves you with nothing to rely on.
 
2012-08-09 04:59:15 AM  

dehehn: We are not a utopia, and we're a long ways off from perfection. Like I said, we should hold them accountable for their mistakes, and demand they try harder, but expecting perfection and throwing anyone under the bus who makes mistakes leaves you with nothing to rely on.


People point out Politifact's mistakes to them, and they don't correct them. There's been too many of them lately.
 
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