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2012-08-06 09:47:33 AM
It's a good thing they don't require cognitive tests here.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-06 10:07:57 AM
Players will undergo a 20-minute congnitive test before the season starts -- and will give doctors a baseline assessment of an athlete's mental abilities so that after an injury, the test can be retaken for a true measure of recovery.

Hint to players: If you take a dive on the preseason test they won't be as likely to stop you from playing if you get hit midseason.
 
2012-08-06 10:16:47 AM

beautifulbob: It's a good thing they don't require cognitive tests here.


No I'm don't.
 
2012-08-06 10:51:59 AM
If they follow through with the cognitive testing, and do followups with players who are not obviously concussed, this is pretty much the beginning of the end for high-school football. When the numbers start getting out, a lot of parents of non-stars are going to be doing some soul-searching, and a lot of their kids aren't going to be playing football.
 
2012-08-06 11:37:23 AM
As the head coach of West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy, I am saddened and appalled by this protocol. Should these tests become a mandatory part of Alabama high school football, West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy will be forced to withdraw from the Alabama High School Athletic Association, because our school simply will not be able to compete. Last year, our tight end suffered eight simultaneous concussions on one play. And now, I am being told that if this happens in the future, he may have to leave the game? This is a joke. West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy won six games and made it to the first round of the state playoffs. We have a lot to be proud of. Do not take away the accomplishments of my team because you want to administer "routine medical checks".
 
2012-08-06 11:45:35 AM

Mike_LowELL: Last year, our tight end suffered eight simultaneous concussions on one play.


Did someone tackle him into a dryer filled with cinderblocks?
 
2012-08-06 12:01:25 PM

Mike_LowELL: As the head coach of West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy, I am saddened and appalled by this protocol. Should these tests become a mandatory part of Alabama high school football, West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy will be forced to withdraw from the Alabama High School Athletic Association, because our school simply will not be able to compete. Last year, our tight end suffered eight simultaneous concussions on one play. And now, I am being told that if this happens in the future, he may have to leave the game? This is a joke. West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy won six games and made it to the first round of the state playoffs. We have a lot to be proud of. Do not take away the accomplishments of my team because you want to administer "routine medical checks".


As a former Alabama resident, I found this disturbingly accurate. Poe's Law in full effect.
 
2012-08-06 12:14:09 PM

Sliding Carp: If they follow through with the cognitive testing, and do followups with players who are not obviously concussed, this is pretty much the beginning of the end for high-school football. When the numbers start getting out, a lot of parents of non-stars are going to be doing some soul-searching, and a lot of their kids aren't going to be playing football.


this would be a bad thing how? the numbers are insane. On the other hand, look for a huge upswing in baseball and soccer.
 
2012-08-06 12:24:57 PM

Mike_LowELL: As the head coach of West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy


WNSLMHS? You really should have put more thought into the school name acronym.
 
2012-08-06 01:16:03 PM

avalanche: Mike_LowELL: As the head coach of West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy, I am saddened and appalled by this protocol. Should these tests become a mandatory part of Alabama high school football, West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy will be forced to withdraw from the Alabama High School Athletic Association, because our school simply will not be able to compete. Last year, our tight end suffered eight simultaneous concussions on one play. And now, I am being told that if this happens in the future, he may have to leave the game? This is a joke. West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy won six games and made it to the first round of the state playoffs. We have a lot to be proud of. Do not take away the accomplishments of my team because you want to administer "routine medical checks".

As a former Alabama resident, I found this disturbingly accurate. Poe's Law in full effect.


Aaaaaaaaaaand that's why Mike is a master at this. Bravo, Mike.
 
2012-08-06 01:16:27 PM
Say "Apple."
 
2012-08-06 01:17:13 PM
'James Roper's encephalogram shows no cortical lesions whatsoever. And Mr. Conklin's also shows no, uh... no significant brain damage.'
 
2012-08-06 01:17:24 PM

Mike_LowELL: Last year, our tight end suffered eight simultaneous concussions on one play.


So, not so tight now?
 
2012-08-06 01:17:25 PM
Sounds like hairy-assed subby got his butt taped.
 
2012-08-06 01:23:28 PM
www.haro-online.com
Coach says it's ok to bleed from the ears...
 
2012-08-06 01:24:08 PM

ZAZ: Players will undergo a 20-minute congnitive test before the season starts -- and will give doctors a baseline assessment of an athlete's mental abilities so that after an injury, the test can be retaken for a true measure of recovery.

Hint to players: If you take a dive on the preseason test they won't be as likely to stop you from playing if you get hit midseason.


Some places have already been doing these cognitive tests. In fact a few months ago I read a news article about players doing just what you suggested. Taking a dive on the preseason tests.
 
2012-08-06 01:29:18 PM

stevetherobot: ZAZ: Players will undergo a 20-minute congnitive test before the season starts -- and will give doctors a baseline assessment of an athlete's mental abilities so that after an injury, the test can be retaken for a true measure of recovery.

Hint to players: If you take a dive on the preseason test they won't be as likely to stop you from playing if you get hit midseason.

Some places have already been doing these cognitive tests. In fact a few months ago I read a news article about players doing just what you suggested. Taking a dive on the preseason tests.


American football almost guarantees brain damage for certain players, yea lets keep that going. Of course we could always go the rugby route but I doubt that will happen.
 
2012-08-06 01:29:27 PM

grokca: Mike_LowELL: Last year, our tight end suffered eight simultaneous concussions on one play.

So, not so tight now?


Are you saying that he's a loose end? Because you know what happens to loose ends...
 
2012-08-06 01:31:18 PM

stevetherobot: ZAZ: Players will undergo a 20-minute congnitive test before the season starts -- and will give doctors a baseline assessment of an athlete's mental abilities so that after an injury, the test can be retaken for a true measure of recovery.

Hint to players: If you take a dive on the preseason test they won't be as likely to stop you from playing if you get hit midseason.

Some places have already been doing these cognitive tests. In fact a few months ago I read a news article about players doing just what you suggested. Taking a dive on the preseason tests.


Yes well there is an easy fix for that. They have to get a B or better on the test or lose their eligibility to play.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-06 01:33:25 PM
Yes well there is an easy fix for that. They have to get a B or better on the test or lose their eligibility to play.

In a football town, who dares flunk the star player?
 
2012-08-06 01:34:36 PM
You can have football, but your property taxes are going up to pay for the insurance. I'm sure your cool with that.
 
2012-08-06 01:34:58 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Say "Apple."


Hurrrr. Foo-Boll.
*drool*
 
2012-08-06 01:35:04 PM
My hs did these back in 2005. Its more about reaction and accuracy to things your brain should be able to do without thinking. Stupid people can be great at it.
 
2012-08-06 01:35:08 PM

Mike_LowELL: As the head coach of West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy, I am saddened and appalled by this protocol. Should these tests become a mandatory part of Alabama high school football, West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy will be forced to withdraw from the Alabama High School Athletic Association, because our school simply will not be able to compete. Last year, our tight end suffered eight simultaneous concussions on one play. And now, I am being told that if this happens in the future, he may have to leave the game? This is a joke. West North St. Laughing Mantis High School Football Academy won six games and made it to the first round of the state playoffs. We have a lot to be proud of. Do not take away the accomplishments of my team because you want to administer "routine medical checks".


I think I got a concussion from this post.
 
2012-08-06 01:36:09 PM

namatad: Sliding Carp: If they follow through with the cognitive testing, and do followups with players who are not obviously concussed, this is pretty much the beginning of the end for high-school football. When the numbers start getting out, a lot of parents of non-stars are going to be doing some soul-searching, and a lot of their kids aren't going to be playing football.

this would be a bad thing how? the numbers are insane. On the other hand, look for a huge upswing in baseball and soccer.


Commotio cordis.
 
2012-08-06 01:36:16 PM
Allowing kids to play football with what we know now should be illegal. I can't believe parents still allow thier kids to play.
 
2012-08-06 01:40:33 PM

kapaso: Allowing kids to play football with what we know now should be illegal. I can't believe parents still allow thier kids to play.


Eh, having met some of these kids, I'm not sure it's really doing much damage, and hey, ya need some good memory to hold onto when you spend the rest of your life selling propane and propane accessories.
 
2012-08-06 01:41:23 PM

kapaso: American football almost guarantees brain damage for certain players, yea lets keep that going. Of course we could always go the rugby route but I doubt that will happen.


By adopting a less entertaining means of getting concussed? Rugby has a concussion problem of its own. Really, any contact sport does.
 
2012-08-06 01:41:30 PM

namatad:
this would be a bad thing how? the numbers are insane. On the other hand, look for a huge upswing in baseball and soccer.


Sister - broke a leg playing soccer.
Son - wind knocked out of him playing football, fractured kneecap playing soccer.
Me - sprained wrist reading Penthouse (lousy baseball player).
 
2012-08-06 01:43:53 PM

Odd Bird: Sounds like hairy-assed subby got his butt taped.


that was wrestling (if you are in fact referencing a movie from the 80s)
 
2012-08-06 01:44:00 PM
namatad: "On the other hand, look for a huge upswing in baseball and soccer."

Baseball, maybe. But I think lacrosse stands a better chance of catching football refugees than soccer.
It retains more contact and it's still distinctly American, which is key for the Euro-phobes.
 
2012-08-06 01:45:55 PM

Secret Polish Boyfriend: kapaso: Allowing kids to play football with what we know now should be illegal. I can't believe parents still allow thier kids to play.

Eh, having met some of these kids, I'm not sure it's really doing much damage, and hey, ya need some good memory to hold onto when you spend the rest of your life selling propane and propane accessories.


I hate to see anyone get screwed over before they even get started. The medical data and reasoning on this is rock solid, the game either needs to be changed or ended. Allowing kids to trash thier brains is pretty damn sad.
 
2012-08-06 01:46:29 PM
People, people. This is Floriduh. The baseline for this cognitive test has got to be pretty goddamn low to begin with. A salamander could probably pass.
 
2012-08-06 01:46:39 PM

kapaso: American football almost guarantees brain damage for certain players, yea lets keep that going. Of course we could always go the rugby route but I doubt that will happen.


as someone who played a lot of football when I was younger, who has some short-term memory issues and constant headaches I am getting a kick...

...in the head
 
2012-08-06 01:48:10 PM

p the boiler: Odd Bird: Sounds like hairy-assed subby got his butt taped.

that was wrestling (if you are in fact referencing a movie from the 80s)


butbutbut subby hates all athletes!


/yeah, I failed...
 
2012-08-06 01:51:02 PM

kapaso: Allowing kids to play football with what we know now should be illegal. I can't believe parents still allow thier kids to play.


The worst injury I've ever had was the result of... Falling over my own feet and somehow breaking both ankles in the process. :P Ensuring their safety (via rules like this one) is fine, but you can't just suit kids up in bubble wrap. They'll end up unprepared for the real world and they'll hate you for it.
 
2012-08-06 01:51:26 PM

p the boiler: kapaso: American football almost guarantees brain damage for certain players, yea lets keep that going. Of course we could always go the rugby route but I doubt that will happen.

as someone who played a lot of football when I was younger, who has some short-term memory issues and constant headaches I am getting a kick...

...in the head


I'm sorry to hear that. I played very little, but back then nobody knew it was a problem, now that we do know it needs to stop, at least for kids.
 
2012-08-06 01:57:05 PM

This text is now purple: kapaso: American football almost guarantees brain damage for certain players, yea lets keep that going. Of course we could always go the rugby route but I doubt that will happen.

By adopting a less entertaining means of getting concussed? Rugby has a concussion problem of its own. Really, any contact sport does.


American football is unique in many ways. I'm on a mobile so long posts are out, but no other sport starts off players with head shots every play. Rugby doesn't even come close to the head truama of American football.
 
2012-08-06 01:58:58 PM

kapaso: I'm sorry to hear that. I played very little, but back then nobody knew it was a problem, now that we do know it needs to stop, at least for kids.


Which age are you talking about? I agree with anything below thirteen for the sake of their joints. But saying that its not beneficial or positive after that is based on sole experience in my eyes. I learned a lot for that sport, and not just about the sport.
 
2012-08-06 02:00:48 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: kapaso: Allowing kids to play football with what we know now should be illegal. I can't believe parents still allow thier kids to play.

The worst injury I've ever had was the result of... Falling over my own feet and somehow breaking both ankles in the process. :P Ensuring their safety (via rules like this one) is fine, but you can't just suit kids up in bubble wrap. They'll end up unprepared for the real world and they'll hate you for it.


Broken bones can heal, torn brain tissue never heals. I'm very very far from a helicopter parent, but setting up a kid for brain damage should be illegal.
 
2012-08-06 02:02:22 PM
had they done this in Oklahoma where i was in school though freshman year, at least half the teams in the state would be unable to play for lack of players.
 
2012-08-06 02:02:29 PM

kapaso: no other sport starts off players with head shots every play.


The first thing you learn is to not use your head. Even on d and o line its about hands and shoulders. Dont think that what the Steelers do is what middleschoolers are taught.
 
2012-08-06 02:07:53 PM
Football coach at my older one's high school STILL hates me because I said "Uh, no thanks" when asked permission for my kid to play football. He has an I.Q. of 200 or so, and I did not want him to suffer drain bamage. Go figure.
 
2012-08-06 02:09:56 PM

kapaso: Allowing kids to play football with what we know now should be illegal. I can't believe parents still allow thier kids to play.


Sorry, should've quoted you in my post.
 
2012-08-06 02:10:41 PM

kapaso: p the boiler: kapaso: American football almost guarantees brain damage for certain players, yea lets keep that going. Of course we could always go the rugby route but I doubt that will happen.

as someone who played a lot of football when I was younger, who has some short-term memory issues and constant headaches I am getting a kick...

...in the head

I'm sorry to hear that. I played very little, but back then nobody knew it was a problem, now that we do know it needs to stop, at least for kids.


It's life - I deal with it. I played RB, I thought I was a little Walter Payton and threw my body everywhere (as I am guessing most kids that age did) - I really think I am going to be a vegetable in the next 15 years (only semi-kidding)
 
2012-08-06 02:13:18 PM
I had to take this test almost eight years ago. The IMPACT test. It had a lot of routine short-term memory devoted activities, or what have you. I remember a particular exercise where we were shown a field of Xs and Os, and then many more were added to fill in the blank sports and we had to pick out the one's that were originally there. I cheated and licked my finger and touched the screen where the originals were so they would be more apparent when I had to pick them out.

On the other side of the coin, this test is mandatory for all athletes at my former high school, where they must get a baseline reading before participating. You can throw the test at first to get a low baseline and still be allowed to play, but the test is not exactly easy to figure out on its own, and you have to have a pretty good idea of what is going on with a test to be able to "bomb" it on purpose. If there is a particularly low score, the proctor would know (a licensed athletic trainer in our case) and can re administer the baseline at his own discretion. High school athletes aren't generally schooled in the practice of disregarding their own well being, and when I took the test very few of us knew what it was or what it was for (it could have been the Wonderlic for all we knew) but we did know our coach was in the room and none of us made it a practice to flagrantly disregard his wishes.

And I have seen athletes not be granted permission to play because they have not gotten close enough to their original baseline after a head injury. I have also seen athletes bomb it on purpose after a head injury because they have found a comfortable spot on the bench where they still get to be a part of their "team" peer group without all that pesky physical exertion and responsibility.

I can say that we have the luxury of a trainer that works for the school as a liaison from an independent clinic, and he often does not allow himself to be in moral grey areas because his professional reputation is on the line. If a similar professional administers the test with a coach that has the best interests of his players in mind the test will work wonderfully and will help diagnose head injuries and keep athletes on the sideline until they are fully recovered. If not, it won't.

Head injuries are a bit more rare than people will lead you to believe, with an average of about 1.5 per year per season, but a lot of these diagnoses themselves are due to awareness campaigns at all levels within all sports. There was a controversial rule change a few years back in the sport of wrestling that said if the referee believes an athlete was showing symptoms of a concussion ( such as a rapid loss of awareness after a fall or blow) the athlete will not be allowed to resume competition until they are cleared by a DOCTOR. Not a trainer, a DOCTOR. A lot of coaches were up at arms about ruining the sport, as there is very rarely a doctor present at a wrestling match, but I have only seen a wrestler not allowed to resume once, and he obviously had a concussion ( as his IMPACT test verified, and he was kept on the sidelines for more than a month by his weekly re administration of the test).

At the end of the day, if you weren't going to let your child play football or wrestle join whatever other "contact" sports team because you thought ti was dangerous, you still aren't. If you were going to let your kid play, you still are, but it is much less likely that they are going to take the field a short time after sustaining a concussion unless they successfully hide it from anyone with a shred of professional integrity or sense of well being for this child. And they are children, who cry when they are hurt and can take your word as law in certain situations.
 
2012-08-06 02:14:51 PM
Mike_LowELL

They should compliment this test before Magic the gathering tournaments.
 
2012-08-06 02:15:45 PM

mama2tnt: Football coach at my older one's high school STILL hates me because I said "Uh, no thanks" when asked permission for my kid to play football. He has an I.Q. of 200 or so, and I did not want him to suffer drain bamage. Go figure.


You do realize that no standard I.Q. test goes to 200? So, what test did he take and how was the scale set? More importantly what was the range on the standard deviations?
 
2012-08-06 02:18:46 PM
For all the people talking about concussions they need to read up a little on what is happening. It is sudden, repeated deceleration of the head that is the problem. It's not repeated concussions, it is repeated starts on the line. Head to head starts with helmets pretty much guarantees damage every play of every game and every practice.
 
2012-08-06 02:27:35 PM

thecpt: kapaso: no other sport starts off players with head shots every play.

The first thing you learn is to not use your head. Even on d and o line its about hands and shoulders. Dont think that what the Steelers do is what middleschoolers are taught.


That is one thing that pisses me off about football today. When I started playing in 7th grade my coaches would punish you for leading/hitting with your head. Do it in practice and it was laps around the track/burpees/push ups/etc. Do it in a game and you were out of the game and possibly the next one.

Same for my high school coaching staff, the punishment was swift if you lead with your head. This was back in the early '90s.

The problem is the NFL and those players who use their head as a battering ram. You can still get impressive impacts using the rest of your body, but those idiots have convinced themselves the only good hit starts with the helmet.
 
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