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(Engadget)   Valve to release updated Source 2 engine, continue to try to teach Gabe to count to 3   (engadget.com) divider line 82
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2012-08-06 09:39:01 AM  
Nifty they're making a new engine. Is this where I say Carmack has done two since Source came out and Gabe is an douche?

//Not a gamer at all but Carmack's interviews always make him seem like a nice guy, and Gabe's seem the opposite.
 
2012-08-06 09:40:09 AM  
It would make sense. By the time Episode 2 was out, Source was already several years old and the engine was showing a bit of its age. Valve talked about having a whole bunch of tech tricks up their sleeve and I'm not sure if Source in its current incarnation would have been able to handle it.

That having been said, whar episode 3 whar
 
2012-08-06 09:42:09 AM  

Irving Maimway: Nifty they're making a new engine. Is this where I say Carmack has done two since Source came out and Gabe is an douche?

//Not a gamer at all but Carmack's interviews always make him seem like a nice guy, and Gabe's seem the opposite.


This is the opposite of everything true about Gaben. He's a really cool guy who does a lot for fans and runs a tight business.

HL3 will come when it's ready. Valve does not release things fast, you're right, but they do it RIGHT.
 
2012-08-06 09:45:03 AM  

Irving Maimway: Nifty they're making a new engine. Is this where I say Carmack has done two since Source came out and Gabe is an douche?

//Not a gamer at all but Carmack's interviews always make him seem like a nice guy, and Gabe's seem the opposite.


Really? Because Gabe's pretty much one of the nicest guys in the industry. He personally replies to tons of fan email, will send tons of signed goodies to people who send letters, gives walk-throughs and tours of Valve's complex in-person (and will take pictures), took big weight looks in stride AND lost weight in the process without telling the trolls to fark off, and more. As a company guy, he paid the salary of an employee who was out for months and kept the guy's job until he came back.

The only time he comes off as "douchey" is when he's talking about consoles. And he's definitely not the only one with those views.
 
2012-08-06 09:49:19 AM  
I wonder if this is gonna push the WW1: Source 2.0 release back even longer

/One of my favorite source mods
//okay, it's my favorite
 
2012-08-06 10:03:24 AM  
I wonder what the conversion is for vague "Source 2" comments to Valve Time.

/it'll be awesome if Source 2 hits before Black Mesa Source finishes.
 
2012-08-06 10:08:05 AM  
So I played the Orange box on my 360.

Half Life 2 and it's extras must have been just super awesome back in the day because it was like every shooter I had ever played.

/Portal was king shiat though
 
2012-08-06 10:10:37 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Half Life 2 and it's extras must have been just super awesome back in the day because it was like every shooter I had ever played


HL2 set a lot of those standards. And it's done things that no other game has matched- the Bridge scene is still one of the best video game levels ever made.
 
2012-08-06 10:18:02 AM  
People who aren't douchey would let me play their games unencumbered of their retarded content delivery system.
 
2012-08-06 10:26:23 AM  

t3knomanser: HL2 set a lot of those standards. And it's done things that no other game has matched- the Bridge scene is still one of the best video game levels ever made.


Is that the one with the crane? I don't know why but when I feel like I need some HL2, that is the level I always go to.
 
2012-08-06 10:30:32 AM  

McPoonDanlcrat: t3knomanser: HL2 set a lot of those standards. And it's done things that no other game has matched- the Bridge scene is still one of the best video game levels ever made.

Is that the one with the crane? I don't know why but when I feel like I need some HL2, that is the level I always go to.


No, he's talking about after the crane, where you have to shut down the force fields by crossing under the bridge (I'm pretty sure the whole level is Highway 17). Have to shoot down a combine gunship without falling off.
 
2012-08-06 10:30:36 AM  
The bridge is the really big one where you travel across the under-structure, hit a switch in a control room, and then you have to go all the way back across, except this time fighting one of those flying guys and picking up rockets as you go.
 
2012-08-06 10:34:50 AM  
They got a little more use out of the source engine with hdr and whatnot, but that engine is still very dated. I won't be getting the new counterstrike because of that. Animation and general "floating over the ground" feeling is just as bad as it was when it first came out. I look forward to a new one so I can start being parted with my money again.
 
2012-08-06 10:35:57 AM  

ajgeek: McPoonDanlcrat: t3knomanser: HL2 set a lot of those standards. And it's done things that no other game has matched- the Bridge scene is still one of the best video game levels ever made.

Is that the one with the crane? I don't know why but when I feel like I need some HL2, that is the level I always go to.

No, he's talking about after the crane, where you have to shut down the force fields by crossing under the bridge (I'm pretty sure the whole level is Highway 17). Have to shoot down a combine gunship without falling off.


XMark: The bridge is the really big one where you travel across the under-structure, hit a switch in a control room, and then you have to go all the way back across, except this time fighting one of those flying guys and picking up rockets as you go.


Ahhh ok. That is a great level too...but I still like the crane level better. That whole Highway 17 section though is at the top of my list for best ever.
 
2012-08-06 10:36:49 AM  
Ravenholm was a better level.
 
2012-08-06 10:37:26 AM  
I only recently got a PC that allowed me to play HL2. While it's very fun, I can't play it for a long time without being frustrated at the decent AI. Borderlands is still my go-to game for FPS.
 
2012-08-06 10:40:35 AM  

likefunbutnot: People who aren't douchey would let me play their games unencumbered of their retarded content delivery system.


Wait? Steam is.... bad?

I know this is Fark, yet I hadn't heard that one yet. Could you expound on why Steam is a pile of shiat please?
 
2012-08-06 10:45:29 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: likefunbutnot: People who aren't douchey would let me play their games unencumbered of their retarded content delivery system.

Wait? Steam is.... bad?

I know this is Fark, yet I hadn't heard that one yet. Could you expound on why Steam is a pile of shiat please?


I'm going to guess he rails on steam as a central content delivery system that functions as DRM or an always on Internet check (which it doesn't in most cases), or rails on steam for splitting with EA and other companies who see the piles of money valve is making hand over fist, and want a cut or the whole thing so now we are getting separate, very poor quality, clones of steam like origin.
 
2012-08-06 10:46:59 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: likefunbutnot: People who aren't douchey would let me play their games unencumbered of their retarded content delivery system.

Wait? Steam is.... bad?

I know this is Fark, yet I hadn't heard that one yet. Could you expound on why Steam is a pile of shiat please?


Argle bargle DRM! Raawer grr DRM!

I hate DRM as much as the next guy, but Steam's DRM seems to be as inoffensive as DRM can get.
 
2012-08-06 10:56:52 AM  
Irving Maimway: Nifty they're making a new engine. Is this where I say Carmack has done two since Source came out and Gabe is an douche?

//Not a gamer at all but Carmack's interviews always make him seem like a nice guy, and Gabe's seem the opposite.


Say what you will, but at the end of the day Carmack makes Tech demos to sell his engine, and Gabe makes fun games to play.
 
2012-08-06 10:59:46 AM  
Source 3 is going to have to support Occulous Rift O_O
I may buy in at the $300 level now.
 
2012-08-06 11:09:10 AM  
Even showing it's age, Valve has created a fantastic art style with Source. I was just playing Left 4 Dead 2 for the first time in awhile over the weekend, and it still looks damn fantastic to me. Valve got a lot of mileage out of that engine, Carmack should take a lesson. He may make damn fine graphics engines, but they're damn fine graphics engines that end up being used once or twice. Source has been re-worked and refined so many times over the course of its lifespan. It's a testament to how long you can keep a truly great graphics engine alive.

/whar ep 3
//whar left 4 dead 3???
 
2012-08-06 11:09:40 AM  

McPoonDanlcrat: ajgeek: McPoonDanlcrat: t3knomanser: HL2 set a lot of those standards. And it's done things that no other game has matched- the Bridge scene is still one of the best video game levels ever made.

Is that the one with the crane? I don't know why but when I feel like I need some HL2, that is the level I always go to.

No, he's talking about after the crane, where you have to shut down the force fields by crossing under the bridge (I'm pretty sure the whole level is Highway 17). Have to shoot down a combine gunship without falling off.

XMark: The bridge is the really big one where you travel across the under-structure, hit a switch in a control room, and then you have to go all the way back across, except this time fighting one of those flying guys and picking up rockets as you go.

Ahhh ok. That is a great level too...but I still like the crane level better. That whole Highway 17 section though is at the top of my list for best ever.


I love highway 17... probably because I love mixing vehicular homicide with occasional rocket launching. That's why episode 2 was so awesome. But, I really enjoy the escape from city 17 at the beginning, and then storming nova prospect.

worst level is when you lose the buggie and have to walk over the sand with all the damn antlions or whatever they're called.

Mrbogey: Ravenholm was a better level.


ravenholm was terrible... until i realized the importance of the gravity gun. then it just turned into a flying object madhouse (as did all the other levels).
 
2012-08-06 11:11:18 AM  

andrewagill: DRM


Wow. Not a PC gamer (Hey I still own MOH:AA, Star Wars: Rebellion (which I can't get to play on W7) and my Starcraft/Brood War disks!) so I didn't realize this made so much rage on the internet.

Crazy.
 
2012-08-06 11:13:38 AM  

Mrbogey: Ravenholm was a better level.


We don't go to Ravenholm.
 
2012-08-06 11:14:37 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: andrewagill: DRM

Wow. Not a PC gamer (Hey I still own MOH:AA, Star Wars: Rebellion (which I can't get to play on W7) and my Starcraft/Brood War disks!) so I didn't realize this made so much rage on the internet.

Crazy.


Another Rebellion owner huh? Have you tried this. It's worked for me. But you have to trust when downloading files and running registry modify files.
 
2012-08-06 11:20:51 AM  

Mrbogey: Ravenholm was a better level.


Or Nova. I could replay the bottleneck with the autoturrets over and over.

or any scene where you had to duckwalk behind Alex.
 
2012-08-06 11:31:24 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I know this is Fark, yet I hadn't heard that one yet. Could you expound on why Steam is a pile of shiat please?


I'm actually a big steam fan and user, but I think several arguments are used:

1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.

2. All it takes is one allegation by Valve of improper conduct (e.g. cross-border gifting, accusations of online cheating, etc) and you can be cut off from your entire library games (which can be thousands of dollars invested) even for offline play.

3. You have to be online and/or psychic to use Steam's "offline mode" so in practice you have to be always online even to play offline games.
 
2012-08-06 11:34:14 AM  

Saiga410: Mrbogey: Ravenholm was a better level.

Or Nova. I could replay the bottleneck with the autoturrets over and over.


I always get a little carried away and carry all the turrets throughout the level. by the teleporter part I've got half a dozen turrets strategically placed all over. it's excellent silliness.

/ actually, i forgot how many turrets that would be. iirc, you get two at the control-like room, three at that hallway area, and then three at the teleporter. either way, it's madness. in fact, it's completely unnecessary.
 
2012-08-06 11:38:35 AM  

pute kisses like a man: Saiga410: Mrbogey: Ravenholm was a better level.

Or Nova. I could replay the bottleneck with the autoturrets over and over.

I always get a little carried away and carry all the turrets throughout the level. by the teleporter part I've got half a dozen turrets strategically placed all over. it's excellent silliness.

/ actually, i forgot how many turrets that would be. iirc, you get two at the control-like room, three at that hallway area, and then three at the teleporter. either way, it's madness. in fact, it's completely unnecessary.


What I consider the bottleneck was the hallway scene right before the teleporter. Where you had to guard the two hallways while Alex is taking down the forcefields.

/And yes I do take all of the guns to the teleporter just to sit back and watch the fireworks without any worry.
 
2012-08-06 11:38:43 AM  
I carried the gnome all the way across episode 2 then forgot the shut the door before launch.
 
2012-08-06 11:41:16 AM  

t3knomanser: Jim from Saint Paul: Half Life 2 and it's extras must have been just super awesome back in the day because it was like every shooter I had ever played

HL2 set a lot of those standards. And it's done things that no other game has matched- the Bridge scene is still one of the best video game levels ever made.


I was saving the game every 30 seconds crossing that bridge.
I'm not sure when I became afraid of heights but the bridge level is when I discovered that I was.
(first game I played on the 40" flat screen I bought back in 2007, which I think contributed to the immersiveness )
 
2012-08-06 11:41:45 AM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: 1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.


Good luck with that. Valve makes money hand over first. It would take a massive failure on their part, or BigEvilCorp offer $texas to buy them out any time soon. Pretty sure Gabe stated at several points they had multiple offers to buy Valve outright before Steam started making them absurd amounts of money, and he shot every single one of them down.

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: 2. All it takes is one allegation by Valve of improper conduct (e.g. cross-border gifting, accusations of online cheating, etc) and you can be cut off from your entire library games (which can be thousands of dollars invested) even for offline play.


Even with the EULA they would need a DAMN good reason otherwise they'd be looking at a potentially massive lawsuit. EULA's often times don't hold up in court very well, and cutting off a paying customer from products they legally purchased opens up all kinds of legal issues. Personally, I've never heard of this happening to a single person. It's just a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory in my eyes(OMG DON'T USE THAT EVIL STEAM! THEY MIGHT JUST TAKE YOUR MONEY AND LEAVE YOU NOTHING!!! yeah, and that DRM on your physical copy just installed a root kit on your pc, and they'll probably shut the servers off for it in a year anyway).

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: 3. You have to be online and/or psychic to use Steam's "offline mode" so in practice you have to be always online even to play offline games.


huh? This one could use a tad more explanation. I've never had a single problem with offline mode since I started using Steam(the day valve released it into the wild...). All I ever had to do is remember my password. Not rocket surgery.
 
2012-08-06 11:43:12 AM  
Could do without those annoying ant lions though.
 
2012-08-06 11:44:44 AM  

Saiga410: pute kisses like a man: Saiga410: Mrbogey: Ravenholm was a better level.

Or Nova. I could replay the bottleneck with the autoturrets over and over.

I always get a little carried away and carry all the turrets throughout the level. by the teleporter part I've got half a dozen turrets strategically placed all over. it's excellent silliness.

/ actually, i forgot how many turrets that would be. iirc, you get two at the control-like room, three at that hallway area, and then three at the teleporter. either way, it's madness. in fact, it's completely unnecessary.

What I consider the bottleneck was the hallway scene right before the teleporter. Where you had to guard the two hallways while Alex is taking down the forcefields.

/And yes I do take all of the guns to the teleporter just to sit back and watch the fireworks without any worry.


I wish the turrets in HL2 were half as loveable as the ones in Portal.
 
2012-08-06 11:48:01 AM  

XMark: The bridge is the really big one where you travel across the under-structure, hit a switch in a control room, and then you have to go all the way back across, except this time fighting one of those flying guys and picking up rockets as you go.


you can fight the flying ship from the end of the bridge, by the control room, without having to cross the bridge and fight at the same time....


Strategeryz0r: Even showing it's age, Valve has created a fantastic art style with Source. I was just playing Left 4 Dead 2 for the first time in awhile over the weekend, and it still looks damn fantastic to me. Valve got a lot of mileage out of that engine, Carmack should take a lesson. He may make damn fine graphics engines, but they're damn fine graphics engines that end up being used once or twice. Source has been re-worked and refined so many times over the course of its lifespan. It's a testament to how long you can keep a truly great graphics engine alive.

/whar ep 3
//whar left 4 dead 3???


I bought l4d2 on summer sale, I had the original on 360. God its so great on pc. Ican't stop playing it, I forgot how much fun VS is.
 
2012-08-06 11:50:22 AM  

moistD: I bought l4d2 on summer sale, I had the original on 360. God its so great on pc. Ican't stop playing it, I forgot how much fun VS is.


Seriously being the infected is like sanctioned griefing. I love sitting back and waiting for that 1 jackass who inevitably leaves the group of survivors.

And then making his life life a living hell.... I love the Jockey waaaaaayyyyyy too much.
 
2012-08-06 11:57:13 AM  

t3knomanser: Jim from Saint Paul: Half Life 2 and it's extras must have been just super awesome back in the day because it was like every shooter I had ever played

HL2 set a lot of those standards. And it's done things that no other game has matched- the Bridge scene is still one of the best video game levels ever made.


I still fire it up every few months or so to play Ravenholm.

/We don't go to Ravenholm anymore.
 
2012-08-06 12:00:14 PM  

Saiga410: Mrbogey: Ravenholm was a

better best level in a game ever. FTFM

Or Nova. I could replay the bottleneck with the autoturrets over and over.

or any scene where you had to duckwalk behind Alex.


I would continuously juggle two turrets from the room to the bottleneck just so I had an extra when I played on hardest difficulty

www.screencuisine.net
 
2012-08-06 12:01:32 PM  

Strategeryz0r: The First Four Katy Perry Albums: 1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.

Good luck with that. Valve makes money hand over first. It would take a massive failure on their part, or BigEvilCorp offer $texas to buy them out any time soon. Pretty sure Gabe stated at several points they had multiple offers to buy Valve outright before Steam started making them absurd amounts of money, and he shot every single one of them down.

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: 2. All it takes is one allegation by Valve of improper conduct (e.g. cross-border gifting, accusations of online cheating, etc) and you can be cut off from your entire library games (which can be thousands of dollars invested) even for offline play.

Even with the EULA they would need a DAMN good reason otherwise they'd be looking at a potentially massive lawsuit. EULA's often times don't hold up in court very well, and cutting off a paying customer from products they legally purchased opens up all kinds of legal issues. Personally, I've never heard of this happening to a single person. It's just a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory in my eyes(OMG DON'T USE THAT EVIL STEAM! THEY MIGHT JUST TAKE YOUR MONEY AND LEAVE YOU NOTHING!!! yeah, and that DRM on your physical copy just installed a root kit on your pc, and they'll probably shut the servers off for it in a year anyway).

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: 3. You have to be online and/or psychic to use Steam's "offline mode" so in practice you have to be always online even to play offline games.

huh? This one could use a tad more explanation. I've never had a single problem with offline mode since I started using Steam(the day valve released it into the wild...). All I ever had to do is remember my password. Not rocket surgery.


Offline mode suffers an issue where you need to put it into offline mode while online at leat once. Making it a problem of you don't plan ahead.
 
2012-08-06 12:07:26 PM  

Intrepid00: Offline mode suffers an issue where you need to put it into offline mode while online at leat once. Making it a problem of you don't plan ahead.


Well it does need to keep your password, which is stored on Steam servers, up to date. I seem to remember there being a setting that keeps a local copy of your password stored at all times. Did they remove that? I'll admit it's been awhile since I used steam(down to just mac, sold my PC).
 
2012-08-06 12:08:52 PM  

Saiga410: Mrbogey: Ravenholm was a better level.

Or Nova. I could replay the bottleneck with the autoturrets over and over.

or any scene where you had to duckwalk behind Alex.


There was no scene where you had to duckwalk behi....oh... nevermind. I see what you did there.

My least favorite level was getting to White Forest... and it being attacked by the Striders... Going around in the buggy with ehe Magnusson devices... You either do REALLY well or you have to restart the level... there really isn't an inbetween...
 
2012-08-06 12:10:14 PM  

Intrepid00: Offline mode suffers an issue where you need to put it into offline mode while online at leat once. Making it a problem of you don't plan ahead.


I just keep mine set that way (it saved the setting) so my little brother and I could play the same games for different purposes. He loves online and I love single player campaign. Every game is backed up and half off. Gaming legally and loving it.
 
2012-08-06 12:13:37 PM  

tgambitg: My least favorite level was getting to White Forest... and it being attacked by the Striders... Going around in the buggy with ehe Magnusson devices... You either do REALLY well or you have to restart the level... there really isn't an inbetween...


The problem was the level didn't encourage you to fight or use tactical cleverness for what should have been Freeman's largest and most difficult shoot out. You just had to run over every hunter and sneak up behind each strider. Way too easy, blunt, and not frantic.
 
2012-08-06 12:14:08 PM  

thecpt: Intrepid00: Offline mode suffers an issue where you need to put it into offline mode while online at leat once. Making it a problem of you don't plan ahead.

I just keep mine set that way (it saved the setting) so my little brother and I could play the same games for different purposes. He loves online and I love single player campaign. Every game is backed up and half off. Gaming legally and loving it.


if my wife and I both plan on using steam, one of us just goes offline. or, if it's mid-game, i just turn the internet off the computer. steam doesn't shut down for losing a connection (though, some games do).

but, when i actively turn steam offline, each time i re-start steam, it asks if I want to start offline or go online. I just stay offline and never had an issue. maybe once a month i'd go online to check for updates.

/ I've found steam to be much easier than the old school world of having to insert a disc, or create a mirror or crack to get around the disc requirement.
 
2012-08-06 12:17:36 PM  

Yuri Futanari: He can delay longer if he adds support for this

[s3.amazonaws.com image 560x473]


About that..


"It looks incredibly exciting, if anybody's going to tackle this set of hard problems, we think that Palmer's going to do it," Newell says directly into the camera. As far as this writer knows, this marks Newell's first appearance in any video promoting a product other than his own.
 
2012-08-06 12:38:58 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Could you expound on why Steam is a pile of shiat please?


Because I can't divorce my single player, non-networked games from their content delivery and authentication system.
I have this argument with people every single time it comes up, but I actually choose to do the majority of my gaming on a machine I deliberately isolate from the internet, and I don't like the fact that I need somebody else's permission to play games that are already on my computer. At the very least I should be able to uninstall Steam and keep playing the games purchased through it. That's the bare minimum requirement. Better yet would be something that didn't require their goofy-ass client in the first place.

Gog.com allows me to redownload purchased titles freely through its web site and do whatever I want with them. That is acceptable content delivery.
Steam is not, in my personal opinion, acceptable.
 
2012-08-06 12:55:31 PM  
The problems I have with Steam stem from my internet connection (I live rural, no unlimited high speed for me, I use a 5GB moblie broadband card). Usually I buy physical copies of the games, and then I have to configure a shortcut to say "Hey Steam, don't download the installation files, I have the disk right here". Now,while not completely annoying, I still don't know why the default isn't "install from physical media" when I initialize the install from said physical media.

Another problem is the fact that Steam likes to update games after I install them. So, instead of installing and playing the game, I have to wait until the upgrade is finished. I had this problem with Empire: Total War. It was a 2GB upgrade which is almost half my monthly cap and because of my internet speed it took about 4 hours to download. I didn't want to play multiplayer, so why was I forced to update before I play? Why couldn't it download the update in the background while I played single player?

Just annoyances like this. I haven't bought a PC game since CIV 5 (and I prefer PC over console) because I am worried about issues like this.

/they need to fix the damn internet in this country, I only live about 2 miles from the nearest cable provider.
 
2012-08-06 12:59:04 PM  

TheHumanCannonball: Jim from Saint Paul: andrewagill: DRM

Wow. Not a PC gamer (Hey I still own MOH:AA, Star Wars: Rebellion (which I can't get to play on W7) and my Starcraft/Brood War disks!) so I didn't realize this made so much rage on the internet.

Crazy.

Another Rebellion owner huh? Have you tried this. It's worked for me. But you have to trust when downloading files and running registry modify files.


Tried that. Never worked. I know it's all about me doing things wrong, but meh.
 
2012-08-06 12:59:46 PM  

Burr: The problems I have with Steam stem from my internet connection (I live rural, no unlimited high speed for me, I use a 5GB moblie broadband card). Usually I buy physical copies of the games, and then I have to configure a shortcut to say "Hey Steam, don't download the installation files, I have the disk right here". Now,while not completely annoying, I still don't know why the default isn't "install from physical media" when I initialize the install from said physical media.

Another problem is the fact that Steam likes to update games after I install them. So, instead of installing and playing the game, I have to wait until the upgrade is finished. I had this problem with Empire: Total War. It was a 2GB upgrade which is almost half my monthly cap and because of my internet speed it took about 4 hours to download. I didn't want to play multiplayer, so why was I forced to update before I play? Why couldn't it download the update in the background while I played single player?

Just annoyances like this. I haven't bought a PC game since CIV 5 (and I prefer PC over console) because I am worried about issues like this.

/they need to fix the damn internet in this country, I only live about 2 miles from the nearest cable provider.


Dude your problem isn't steam, its where you live. I lived in a very rural area a decade ago and they got DSL before any larger towns and cities around me. If you don't have it by now, then holy hell.

But to be fair I didn't know about the physical media thing. The way games are released now it seems that they aren't complete and expect you to have to download something. I think it helps them keep schedule for big launches.
 
2012-08-06 01:03:21 PM  

pute kisses like a man: thecpt: Intrepid00: Offline mode suffers an issue where you need to put it into offline mode while online at leat once. Making it a problem of you don't plan ahead.

I just keep mine set that way (it saved the setting) so my little brother and I could play the same games for different purposes. He loves online and I love single player campaign. Every game is backed up and half off. Gaming legally and loving it.

if my wife and I both plan on using steam, one of us just goes offline. or, if it's mid-game, i just turn the internet off the computer. steam doesn't shut down for losing a connection (though, some games do).

but, when i actively turn steam offline, each time i re-start steam, it asks if I want to start offline or go online. I just stay offline and never had an issue. maybe once a month i'd go online to check for updates.

/ I've found steam to be much easier than the old school world of having to insert a disc, or create a mirror or crack to get around the disc requirement.


Agreed - Offline mode works fine. My only problem with Steam isn't with Steam, but with other publishers who continue to use their own DRM on top of Steam, especially Ubisoft and Capcom. Ubisoft's always online required DRM is one of the worst. The DRM EA used for the extra content in Dragon Age in similar games is just as bad - if it loses connection to the validation server then it won't let you load saved games that had that content.
 
2012-08-06 01:05:52 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Yuri Futanari: He can delay longer if he adds support for this

[s3.amazonaws.com image 560x473]

About that..


"It looks incredibly exciting, if anybody's going to tackle this set of hard problems, we think that Palmer's going to do it," Newell says directly into the camera. As far as this writer knows, this marks Newell's first appearance in any video promoting a product other than his own.


he was in that video for Neil Stephenson's sword fighting game, not an endorsement but awesome cameo
 
2012-08-06 01:10:37 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: andrewagill: DRM

Wow. Not a PC gamer (Hey I still own MOH:AA, Star Wars: Rebellion (which I can't get to play on W7) and my Starcraft/Brood War disks!) so I didn't realize this made so much rage on the internet.

Crazy.


The Steam DRM isn't bad, as I said, but there are other DRM types that are seriously flawed.

i158.photobucket.com


"After 10 days a re-check is required before the game can run," added French. "..An internet connection is not required to install, just to activate the first time, and every 10 days after."

Also:

A call to EA brought us to the same help person as the first call. We informed him of the error message and gave him his Spore account information as well as the product key. A few minutes later the rep determined that we had, in fact, used up all our "key activations." As friendly as can be, our EA employee inferred that it was probably some kind of printing error on the manual. Here's the catch: we decided to tell him that we had rented the game. He assured us he could resolve the situation and did-issuing me another CD key for the game. We wanted to make it clear we understood the DRM restrictions and asked about the install limitations and he informed me that "you could install the game all day long on the same machine-it was limited to installations on three separate machines." The only catch: the game had to be reinstalled after the new key was issued.
 
2012-08-06 01:18:48 PM  

likefunbutnot: Gog.com allows me to redownload purchased titles freely through its web site and do whatever I want with them. That is acceptable content delivery.
Steam is not, in my personal opinion, acceptable.


Yeah, GOG is pretty good with that. If you like old games, check `em out, you'll like it.

/Be aware that copy protection is still there, though.
//In your dreams, you saw birds. What sort of eyes did they have?
///What does Professor Rafkin think the Valley is akin to?
 
2012-08-06 01:34:57 PM  

thecpt: tgambitg: My least favorite level was getting to White Forest... and it being attacked by the Striders... Going around in the buggy with ehe Magnusson devices... You either do REALLY well or you have to restart the level... there really isn't an inbetween...

The problem was the level didn't encourage you to fight or use tactical cleverness for what should have been Freeman's largest and most difficult shoot out. You just had to run over every hunter and sneak up behind each strider. Way too easy, blunt, and not frantic.


Wait......wut? You definitely did that wrong. Running over the hunters is way too blunt instrument and time-consuming. What you want to do is catch the projectiles that the hunters shot at you with your gravity gun, and then proceed to stab them in the face with it. Or just collect a few of the ~100 rockets in the level and shoot the hunters with those.
 
2012-08-06 01:39:36 PM  
The First Four Katy Perry Albums:

1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.



Good thing they're private and are impervious to a hostile takeover. It's also the reason they do good things, no shareholders or corrupt executives to worry about.
 
2012-08-06 01:46:06 PM  

McPoonDanlcrat: t3knomanser: HL2 set a lot of those standards. And it's done things that no other game has matched- the Bridge scene is still one of the best video game levels ever made.

Is that the one with the crane? I don't know why but when I feel like I need some HL2, that is the level I always go to.


Best level though of any Half-life game has GOT to be Surface Tension in the original Half-Life. The farking level rocks to this day.
 
2012-08-06 01:49:56 PM  

Sm3agol85: Wait......wut? You definitely did that wrong. Running over the hunters is way too blunt instrument and time-consuming. What you want to do is catch the projectiles that the hunters shot at you with your gravity gun, and then proceed to stab them in the face with it. Or just collect a few of the ~100 rockets in the level and shoot the hunters with those.


There's nothing time consuming about running over 3 hunters in one or two passes and sticking a magnusson on the back of a strider and shooting it once with a pistol. Its BA the first few times you do it, but then I feel hollow and sad.
 
2012-08-06 01:50:41 PM  

Sm3agol85: thecpt: tgambitg: My least favorite level was getting to White Forest... and it being attacked by the Striders... Going around in the buggy with ehe Magnusson devices... You either do REALLY well or you have to restart the level... there really isn't an inbetween...

The problem was the level didn't encourage you to fight or use tactical cleverness for what should have been Freeman's largest and most difficult shoot out. You just had to run over every hunter and sneak up behind each strider. Way too easy, blunt, and not frantic.

Wait......wut? You definitely did that wrong. Running over the hunters is way too blunt instrument and time-consuming. What you want to do is catch the projectiles that the hunters shot at you with your gravity gun, and then proceed to stab them in the face with it. Or just collect a few of the ~100 rockets in the level and shoot the hunters with those.


To do the achievement I ended up running them all over, hopping out grab fire, back in car and on the way very quickly.

I think the best way to kill the hunters is with the gravity gun as well, but I use objects as like a shield (like the verious tree branches in the area), and then toss the needled objects at the hunters.
 
2012-08-06 01:54:43 PM  

TyrantII: The First Four Katy Perry Albums:

1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.



Good thing they're private and are impervious to a hostile takeover. It's also the reason they do good things, no shareholders or corrupt executives to worry about.


not to be a pedant, but I'm about to get a little more specific than is necessary. valve is a corporation, so it does have shareholders and executives by definition. however, as far as I know, it's not publicly traded, so, with some careful planning, they can keep the shareholder power/interest relatively closely held.
 
2012-08-06 02:02:54 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: andrewagill: DRM

Wow. Not a PC gamer (Hey I still own MOH:AA, Star Wars: Rebellion (which I can't get to play on W7) and my Starcraft/Brood War disks!) so I didn't realize this made so much rage on the internet.

Crazy.


Download Windows XP Mode (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx/) for Windows 7. Or just download Virtual PC (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/) and install your own copy of XP. Install Rebellion on the XP virtual machine and you'll be fine. Full screen is biatch to get working, odds are you'll be playing it in windowed moded.

/stills play it as well
 
2012-08-06 02:04:41 PM  

thecpt: Dude your problem isn't steam, its where you live. I lived in a very rural area a decade ago and they got DSL before any larger towns and cities around me. If you don't have it by now, then holy hell.


One word:

Appalachia

(not even that far into Appalachia, more along the outskirts)
 
2012-08-06 02:09:27 PM  

Burr: thecpt: Dude your problem isn't steam, its where you live. I lived in a very rural area a decade ago and they got DSL before any larger towns and cities around me. If you don't have it by now, then holy hell.

One word:

Appalachia

(not even that far into Appalachia, more along the outskirts)


Yeah, I was actually at the edge of North Appalachia/Marcellus Shale. I thought I was lucky then, but I really thought it was standard in small markets now.

Still waiting for Fios and I'm in an extremely populated and "wealthy" area....
/not wealthy unfortunately
 
2012-08-06 02:11:14 PM  

thecpt: But to be fair I didn't know about the physical media thing. The way games are released now it seems that they aren't complete and expect you to have to download something. I think it helps them keep schedule for big launches.


Yeah. Granted, I haven't used Steam in awhile (not since Civ 5 as stated above) so i don't know if it still does that or not. I usually buy games for my 360 now so I can just play them and not screw around with my internet (until the inevitable happens.....*sigh*)

The only thing I am worried about this year is if it screws up my XCOM: Enemy Unknown purchase....

I really want to play that on the PC.
 
2012-08-06 02:14:34 PM  

thecpt: Yeah, I was actually at the edge of North Appalachia/Marcellus Shale. I thought I was lucky then, but I really thought it was standard in small markets now.


Heh, I'm *juuussssttt* above I-70 in the eastern part of Ohio (like 10 mins north). Hopefully with the gas and oil industry starting to take off around here they will invest in a better high speed internet infrastructure.

Like I said, the nearby town (its actually about 7 miles away, not 2) has high speed, but I am just far enough outside to not get it.
 
2012-08-06 02:15:17 PM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: 1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.

2. All it takes is one allegation by Valve of improper conduct (e.g. cross-border gifting, accusations of online cheating, etc) and you can be cut off from your entire library games (which can be thousands of dollars invested) even for offline play.


#1 would be funny to see happy. About 72 hours after they messed up Steam, you'd see them holding a press conference desperately announcing they're turning it back on and would the hackers please stop destroying their worldwide server infrastructure.

#2 has been a problem IIRC. Sometimes various mod groups have triggered anticheat programs and had to get some public pressure put on Valve to get their account back. Most of the Steam games I buy run independently of Steam though. All my Paradox games work if you just find their exe on the file system and launch it. Steam is just the delivery system.

My big issue is that Valve views itself only as a delivery system. I have had negative experiences where the game was a shiatty PC port and since all sales are final, I was stuck with the game. Steam often seems to be a full DRM system when convenient but then when you ask for them for a refund (and they can use the DRM to remove the game) they're suddenly just a delivery service. I'm not asking them to do tech support, but I am annoyed there still is no "This game was coded by crack addled monkeys, give me a refund" button. Even if that button was only there for the first 8 hours after I completed the download, I'd be happier.

It's a bigger biatch against DRM in general. I let the DRM on my machine so the companies have some protection against me pirating the shiat, but I don't get the option of using the DRM to my benefit, namely saying "This is shiat, remove it and give me a refund".
 
2012-08-06 02:25:28 PM  

ha-ha-guy:

My big issue is that Valve views itself only as a delivery system. I have had negative experiences where the game was a shiatty PC port and since all sales are final, I was stuck with the game. Steam often seems to be a full DRM system when convenient but then when you ask for them for a refund (and they can use the DRM to remove the game) they're suddenly just a delivery service. I'm not asking them to do tech support, but I am annoyed there still is no "This game was coded by crack addled monkeys, give me a refund" button. Even if that button was only there for the first 8 hours after I completed the download, I'd be happier.

It's a bigger biatch against DRM in general. I let the DRM on my machine so the companies have some protection against me pirating the shiat, but I don't get the option of using the DRM to my benefit, namely saying "This is shiat, remove it and give me a refund".


No refunds has been industry standard since long before Steam was around. Try returning an open game (or movie or CD) to a brick and mortar shop sometime. Not saying it's right or wrong, but the advent of the cd/dvd burner pretty much killed refunds on digital media.
 
2012-08-06 02:29:52 PM  

YodaBlues: No refunds has been industry standard since long before Steam was around. Try returning an open game (or movie or CD) to a brick and mortar shop sometime. Not saying it's right or wrong, but the advent of the cd/dvd burner pretty much killed refunds on digital media.


Especially PC games. They basically tell you when you buy one at a store "No Refunds if opened".

Of course, this is after giving you strange looks because you are buying a physical copy of a game.

/Caveat Emptor
 
2012-08-06 02:50:05 PM  

ha-ha-guy: The First Four Katy Perry Albums: 1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.

2. All it takes is one allegation by Valve of improper conduct (e.g. cross-border gifting, accusations of online cheating, etc) and you can be cut off from your entire library games (which can be thousands of dollars invested) even for offline play.

#1 would be funny to see happy. About 72 hours after they messed up Steam, you'd see them holding a press conference desperately announcing they're turning it back on and would the hackers please stop destroying their worldwide server infrastructure.

#2 has been a problem IIRC. Sometimes various mod groups have triggered anticheat programs and had to get some public pressure put on Valve to get their account back. Most of the Steam games I buy run independently of Steam though. All my Paradox games work if you just find their exe on the file system and launch it. Steam is just the delivery system.

My big issue is that Valve views itself only as a delivery system. I have had negative experiences where the game was a shiatty PC port and since all sales are final, I was stuck with the game. Steam often seems to be a full DRM system when convenient but then when you ask for them for a refund (and they can use the DRM to remove the game) they're suddenly just a delivery service. I'm not asking them to do tech support, but I am annoyed there still is no "This game was coded by crack addled monkeys, give me a refund" button. Even if that button was only there for the first 8 hours after I completed the download, I'd be happier.

It's a bigger biatch against DRM in general. I let the DRM on my machine so the companies have some protection against me pirating the shiat, but I don't get the option of using the DRM to my benefit, namely saying "This is shiat, remove it and give me a refund".


Do your research before buying a game. There are enough boards and forums that talk about games. The internet, being what it is, knows which games are console ports and which games were coded for the pc. I don't buy a Damn game nowadays without finding out if the pc version was specifically coded for pc.

Just some food for thought...
 
2012-08-06 02:51:58 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Jim from Saint Paul: andrewagill: DRM

Wow. Not a PC gamer (Hey I still own MOH:AA, Star Wars: Rebellion (which I can't get to play on W7) and my Starcraft/Brood War disks!) so I didn't realize this made so much rage on the internet.

Crazy.

Download Windows XP Mode (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx/) for Windows 7. Or just download Virtual PC (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/) and install your own copy of XP. Install Rebellion on the XP virtual machine and you'll be fine. Full screen is biatch to get working, odds are you'll be playing it in windowed moded.

/stills play it as well


Have to give that a whirl...
 
2012-08-06 02:58:52 PM  
I miss the Xen levels in the original Half-Life. Might have to install that game again sometime.
 
2012-08-06 02:59:12 PM  

thecpt: Burr: thecpt: Dude your problem isn't steam, its where you live. I lived in a very rural area a decade ago and they got DSL before any larger towns and cities around me. If you don't have it by now, then holy hell.

One word:

Appalachia

(not even that far into Appalachia, more along the outskirts)

Yeah, I was actually at the edge of North Appalachia/Marcellus Shale. I thought I was lucky then, but I really thought it was standard in small markets now.

Still waiting for Fios and I'm in an extremely populated and "wealthy" area....
/not wealthy unfortunately


Can you just take your system in to town and download stuff there? If you have a laptop, even if it can't run the game you should be able to pull the data down at a Starbucks or similar with open wifi, and just swap it to your main system when you get home. Takes a while, but would avoid killing your data cap.
 
2012-08-06 03:01:44 PM  

theurge14: I miss the Xen levels in the original Half-Life. Might have to install that game again sometime.


You might be the only one.

/on a whim, I decided to run through the entire Half-life series a few weeks ago. Just about to replay Half-life 2
 
2012-08-06 03:02:09 PM  
pute kisses like a man: TyrantII: The First Four Katy Perry Albums:

1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.



Good thing they're private and are impervious to a hostile takeover. It's also the reason they do good things, no shareholders or corrupt executives to worry about.

not to be a pedant, but I'm about to get a little more specific than is necessary. valve is a corporation, so it does have shareholders and executives by definition. however, as far as I know, it's not publicly traded, so, with some careful planning, they can keep the shareholder power/interest relatively closely held.


Missed words like public shareholders and ivy league executives; my apologies. Granted Gabe went to Harvard, but he's yet another example of guy that went Ivy and dropped out because he decided to build something, rather learn how to co-opt and rape the system.
 
2012-08-06 03:06:31 PM  

enforcerpsu: Do your research before buying a game. There are enough boards and forums that talk about games. The internet, being what it is, knows which games are console ports and which games were coded for the pc. I don't buy a Damn game nowadays without finding out if the pc version was specifically coded for pc.

Just some food for thought...


After I got burned twice, I don't. I haven't pre ordered a game in my entire lifetime and now I wait at least a month or so before buying most games. I bought Sins of a Solar Empire in the first week since I trust Stardock to make it work (even it takes a couple patches). Hell half the time I figure "I'll get this on a steam sale next Christmas/summer". The point is that for everyone saying "Steam's DRM is the least intrusive" that doesn't automatically mean its great. Steam's DRM still isn't designed to provide any form of benefit to the customer. Thus the only games worth buying on Steam are the heavily reviewed ones or the ones from publishers I trust not to fark me (or at least patch it to a workable state).

Whereas if DRM was used for things like refunds it would benefit both the consumer and those companies whose games don't get a lot of reviews. After all a lot of the summer sale business is "Well it only costs 3 bucks, so if it doesn't work, no big deal". I'd rather have a "It doesn't work, give me a refund" button as opposed to the business model of "We'll price it so the risk is worth taking". With the discount model, you're still out your money.
 
2012-08-06 03:38:54 PM  

TyrantII: pute kisses like a man: TyrantII: The First Four Katy Perry Albums:

1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.



Good thing they're private and are impervious to a hostile takeover. It's also the reason they do good things, no shareholders or corrupt executives to worry about.

not to be a pedant, but I'm about to get a little more specific than is necessary. valve is a corporation, so it does have shareholders and executives by definition. however, as far as I know, it's not publicly traded, so, with some careful planning, they can keep the shareholder power/interest relatively closely held.

Missed words like public shareholders and ivy league executives; my apologies. Granted Gabe went to Harvard, but he's yet another example of guy that went Ivy and dropped out because he decided to build something, rather learn how to co-opt and rape the system.


I know what you meant, so I shouldn't have piped up... but, those types of guys are frequently the very ones who get screwed out of their due because they didn't pay enough attention to their position when they incorporated. or they trusted their buddies too much.

/ doesn't know anything about the corporate structure of valve, but I've heard of and seen many well-intentioned corporations and LLCs fallout in very uncomfortable ways, because either no one cared at creation, or one person cared more than everyone else.
 
2012-08-06 03:58:10 PM  

Need a Dispenser Here: theurge14: I miss the Xen levels in the original Half-Life. Might have to install that game again sometime.

You might be the only one.

/on a whim, I decided to run through the entire Half-life series a few weeks ago. Just about to replay Half-life 2


The HL series is really the only FPS that I play repeatedly. They just got it right.
 
2012-08-06 06:38:11 PM  

enforcerpsu: Do your research before buying a game. There are enough boards and forums that talk about games. The internet, being what it is, knows which games are console ports and which games were coded for the pc. I don't buy a Damn game nowadays without finding out if the pc version was specifically coded for pc.

Just some food for thought...


It's often still hard.
I bought Endless Space because it got such rave reviews and everyone seemed to like it was both complicated and user friendly. Bummed to find out after 8 hours of repeated tries that it's the same boring, unbalanced shiat-fest even Civ has trouble getting right. Rather get a refund and put it towards Crusader Kings 2. At least with Paradox games, not knowing what you're doing can be fun, and doesn't result in eight enemy ships destroying my entire empire's space fleet because I was slightly behind in the military tech tree.
 
2012-08-06 07:06:42 PM  
Now if they'll just update some of their older games. At least give the original Half-Life family some decent title screens. Those pitiful looking ones they have right now looks like some kid made them in Microsoft Paint. The CD versions are way better than the crappy Steam versions.
 
2012-08-06 08:14:44 PM  

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Jim from Saint Paul: I know this is Fark, yet I hadn't heard that one yet. Could you expound on why Steam is a pile of shiat please?

I'm actually a big steam fan and user, but I think several arguments are used:

1. BigEvilCorp™ buys Valve and shuts down Steam. You no longer have access to any of your games.


Gabe Newell is the richest man in the game industry. Valve stock is not publicly traded.

Run me through how this is gonna work?
 
2012-08-07 09:32:59 AM  
I love Steam because I'm terrible at making backups of CDs, and because I like not having to go digging through boxes to find the one disc I'm missing out of the 5 disc install set.

Steam DRM doesnt' bother me at all, although I'm a little annoyed at the DLC model.

What really annoys me is the extra DRM from Windows Live games. It shouldn't take an extra 10 minutes to load the stupid game because your servers suck.
 
2012-08-09 12:03:27 PM  

Sargun: Really? Because Gabe's pretty much one of the nicest guys in the industry. He personally replies to tons of fan email, will send tons of signed goodies to people who send letters, gives walk-throughs and tours of Valve's complex in-person (and will take pictures), took big weight looks in stride AND lost weight in the process without telling the trolls to fark off, and more. As a company guy, he paid the salary of an employee who was out for months and kept the guy's job until he came back.

The only time he comes off as "douchey" is when he's talking about consoles. And he's definitely not the only one with those views.


He is very nice. That's why he's a brony. ;)
 
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