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(The Hill)   Now that the Republicans have successfully blocked the cybersecurity bill, Obama may pass it anyway under executive order. What Obama wants, Obama gets   (thehill.com) divider line 98
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2012-08-06 09:29:50 AM
This is what happens when legislatures are broken. Laws...laws find a way.
 
2012-08-06 09:29:58 AM
The internet is the single issue that scares me about Democrats. And I'm among Fark's top 40 libtards (there's probably only 50 of us, so whatevs).

It's one of the reasons I voted for Bob Dole in '96, when I was in college and expected to vote Clinton by default.

If you enjoy the internet as it currently exists, please remember to look deeply into how your candidate feels. This is one issue that is bloated with douche runoff infecting both sides of the aisle.

It will take a nation to keep the digital as the last bastion of freedom. I'll unite even with Paultards if I have to.
 
2012-08-06 09:41:23 AM
Considering the sort of capricious add ons to the bill, it sort of couldn't be passed. Which was sort of the point. Folks wanted to kill the bill, but didn't want to look like they were against security, so it got some schmuck to propose a ludicrous attachment that necessitated the defeat as it was written.

Folks really don't want to look like that they're against added security, but they also don't want backers to have to shell out cash out of pocket, and have anyone looking too close at how they run the show, so it was killed, and with a religious nutjob as the sacrificial lamb to blame it on. And then you had Democrats likewise adding in their ridiculous riders to the bill, there are folks on BOTH sides of the aisle that wanted to simultaneously appeal to their backers that they were trying to deliver, while actually doing very little. The bill wasn't killed just to spite Obama--though there was a bit of that involved on at least one side, in the end it was a lot of folks who really don't folks looking closely at how they run their businesses, and what shenanigans they might be running. And they paid well to get this thing axed, and the opportunists swarmed in to claim a "moral" victory that was "thwarted" by their arch nemeses. but in actuality, it was just a bunch of quid pro quo and dumb as politics.

/So vote Cthulhu.
//Why choose the lesser evil...
 
2012-08-06 10:21:23 AM

dickfreckle: If you enjoy the internet as it currently exists, please remember to look deeply into how your candidate feels. This is one issue that is bloated with douche runoff infecting both sides of the aisle.


Your options are A) a group who wants more governmental oversight of the internet and B) a group with corporate interests who want to gut net neutrality by allowing carriers to wall off parts of the internet via traffic shaping or other restrictions.
 
2012-08-06 10:41:55 AM
Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?
 
2012-08-06 10:47:02 AM

Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?


"Oh and also, Abortion is illegal."
 
2012-08-06 11:15:58 AM

Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?


^^

I too would like this answered, there have been too many "Cyber security" bills to keep track of which ones are actual security issues, and which ones are RIAA/MPAA (MAFIAA) power grabs
 
2012-08-06 11:19:27 AM

RexTalionis: dickfreckle: If you enjoy the internet as it currently exists, please remember to look deeply into how your candidate feels. This is one issue that is bloated with douche runoff infecting both sides of the aisle.

Your options are A) a group who wants more governmental oversight of the internet and B) a group with corporate interests who want to gut net neutrality by allowing carriers to wall off parts of the internet via traffic shaping or other restrictions.


Yeah, I know. But I'd prefer that my default side of the aisle agreed with me on this. They trend towards the "think of the children" side, Which is is what the GOP frames half their arguments with. I call bullsh*t all around.

You are correct in that one seems genuinely motivated by protecting children, and the other is just looking cable-tier us in the ass. Thing is, aren't we farked no matter what? The internet needs to be the new "fourth estate,'" since our so-called establishment media can't be arsed to to fulfill that role.

That only happens with full freedom. And both parties are, in their own ways, seeking to limit it.

And no, I'm not a Fark Independent. I'm just genuinely pissed at some high-profile Democrats who openly support federal regulation of the interwebs. Including people I respect like Biden and, yeah, Franken.
 
2012-08-06 11:23:10 AM

Kazan: Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?

^^

I too would like this answered, there have been too many "Cyber security" bills to keep track of which ones are actual security issues, and which ones are RIAA/MPAA (MAFIAA) power grabs


THIS.

Article is fairly useless.
 
2012-08-06 11:28:47 AM

Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?


This is why I hate my habit of extrapolating the issue when it comes to the intertubes. I kind of have a hard-on for internet freedom, and any conversation about legislating it reflects as much. It's a character flaw I guess.

I don't care if my allegedly liberal heroes want to impose regulations in the name of security. I'll rail against them, too. I'm a True Believer. Would license a gun over something like this. And for the record, Biden can kiss my ass.
 
2012-08-06 11:30:44 AM

dickfreckle: Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?

This is why I hate my habit of extrapolating the issue when it comes to the intertubes. I kind of have a hard-on for internet freedom, and any conversation about legislating it reflects as much. It's a character flaw I guess.

I don't care if my allegedly liberal heroes want to impose regulations in the name of security. I'll rail against them, too. I'm a True Believer. Would license a gun over something like this. And for the record, Biden can kiss my ass.


you know it is possible to pass some rules without infringing upon freedom. shiat like "no, you shouldn't be connecting that piece of critical infrastructure to the internet" for example.
 
2012-08-06 11:33:09 AM
If there was any chance the Republicans weren't going to filibuster this bill, Lautenberg's high-capacity magazine amendment pretty much guaranteed it.
 
2012-08-06 11:35:32 AM

Kazan: you know it is possible to pass some rules without infringing upon freedom. shiat like "no, you shouldn't be connecting that piece of critical infrastructure to the internet" for example.


But then our nuclear engineers won't be able to Fark at work. Why do you hate our nuclear engineers?
 
2012-08-06 11:36:24 AM

unlikely: Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?

"Oh and also, Abortion is illegal."


Oh yeah, I remember hearing about that.

Jesus. :-|
 
2012-08-06 11:59:45 AM

Kazan: Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?

^^

I too would like this answered, there have been too many "Cyber security" bills to keep track of which ones are actual security issues, and which ones are RIAA/MPAA (MAFIAA) power grabs


Diogenes: Kazan: Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?

^^

I too would like this answered, there have been too many "Cyber security" bills to keep track of which ones are actual security issues, and which ones are RIAA/MPAA (MAFIAA) power grabs

THIS.

Article is fairly useless.


Good thing I answered it for you 30 and 45 minutes before you posted, respectively.
 
2012-08-06 12:20:08 PM

unlikely: Kazan: Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?

^^

I too would like this answered, there have been too many "Cyber security" bills to keep track of which ones are actual security issues, and which ones are RIAA/MPAA (MAFIAA) power grabs

Diogenes: Kazan: Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?

^^

I too would like this answered, there have been too many "Cyber security" bills to keep track of which ones are actual security issues, and which ones are RIAA/MPAA (MAFIAA) power grabs

THIS.

Article is fairly useless.

Good thing I answered it for you 30 and 45 minutes before you posted, respectively.


yeah.. you provided so much detail. (that was sarcasm if you didn't pick it up)
 
2012-08-06 12:28:57 PM
This is why the Tea Party is not fit to lead. They lack the basic understanding of how government works and despite their false claims they are the ones who choose to show boat for re-election rather than govern.
 
2012-08-06 12:31:40 PM
If you're not doing anything wrong, you have no reason to be worried, right?
 
2012-08-06 12:32:33 PM

Kazan: yeah.. you provided so much detail. (that was sarcasm if you didn't pick it up)


You do know that "knowing things" isn't a competition, right? And that you don't have to be a sore loser about not knowing something?
 
2012-08-06 12:33:13 PM
Ah, so in addiction to the debt ceiling, I see executive orders also came into existence on January 20, 2009.
 
2012-08-06 12:34:19 PM

unlikely: Good thing I answered it for you 30 and 45 minutes before you posted, respectively.


I assumed you were just being snarky, but you were actually right. Known shiat sandwich Mike Lee really did try to attach an abortion amendment, and Galapagos-American Mitch McConnell tried to attach one defunding PPACA.

Jesus Christ the GOP is a pile of shiat.
 
2012-08-06 12:34:44 PM
Leo Getz approves.
 
2012-08-06 12:35:09 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-06 12:35:45 PM

Diogenes: Kazan: you know it is possible to pass some rules without infringing upon freedom. shiat like "no, you shouldn't be connecting that piece of critical infrastructure to the internet" for example.

But then our nuclear engineers won't be able to Fark at work. Why do you hate our nuclear engineers?


They've got smartphones. They can live like the rest of us do when we're in the bathroom.
 
2012-08-06 12:35:47 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: If you're not doing anything wrong, you have no reason to be worried, right?


This sort of fear-mongering is not why anyone opposed the bill, so shove it up your ass.
 
2012-08-06 12:36:08 PM

sprawl15: Kazan: yeah.. you provided so much detail. (that was sarcasm if you didn't pick it up)

You do know that "knowing things" isn't a competition, right? And that you don't have to be a sore loser about not knowing something?


i asked for info, he got biatchy claiming he already gave it when he gave nothing. i was responding to his hostility. get your panties unwadded.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-08-06 12:37:22 PM
Why is the GOP so weak on security?

/no large or small amount of truth needed, just like when the GOP apologists use the same phrase about.. anything.
 
2012-08-06 12:38:01 PM

Sim Tree: Am I completely missing something? I'd thought this bill in particular was the one that said nuclear power plants can't be connected to the internet any more, after we caught China trying to Stuxnet us. Was there something else added on, SOPA-style, that I wasn't aware of?


In addition to the "Ban abortion" rider, there were also "Repeal Obamacare" and "Ban certain gun magazine" riders. This was a genuine case of both sides being equally stupid.
 
2012-08-06 12:40:17 PM

Kazan: i asked for info


google.com

Then again, if you aren't smart enough to figure out that "Oh and also, Abortion is illegal" means that someone attached a rider making abortion illegal, I doubt you'll be able to figure out Google's complicated interface.
 
Ehh
2012-08-06 12:45:09 PM
How's that "unitary executive" theory working out for you, Republicans?

Also
 
2012-08-06 12:45:52 PM
FTFH: "What Obama wants, Obama gets"

2.bp.blogspot.com

Sings: We've got hear-ar-ar-art, miles and miles and miles of hear-ar-ar-art.


First thing that popped into my head.

old
 
2012-08-06 12:50:18 PM

dickfreckle: If you enjoy the internet as it currently exists, please remember to look deeply into how your candidate feels. This is one issue that is bloated with douche runoff infecting both sides of the aisle.

It will take a nation to keep the digital as the last bastion of freedom. I'll unite even with Paultards if I have to.


So you'd rather let the ISPs (Comcast and Verizon, really) gut net neutrality?
 
2012-08-06 12:53:25 PM

Ehh: How's that "unitary executive" theory working out for you, Republicans?

Also


No kidding.
I warned them back when autistic dubstep was in office.
 
2012-08-06 12:54:09 PM

Dwight_Yeast: dickfreckle: If you enjoy the internet as it currently exists, please remember to look deeply into how your candidate feels. This is one issue that is bloated with douche runoff infecting both sides of the aisle.

It will take a nation to keep the digital as the last bastion of freedom. I'll unite even with Paultards if I have to.

So you'd rather let the ISPs (Comcast and Verizon, really) gut net neutrality?


Indeed. The options are not between "freedom" and "government regulations". The choice is between "corporate control" - effectively turning the Internet into cable television - or "net neutrality", enforced by the only entity capable of doing so.
 
2012-08-06 01:01:50 PM
Ehh:
How's that "unitary executive" theory working out for you, Republicans?

Not too badly, since the person that made that term popular was Nixon - and he's been out of office for almost 40 years. You might note that a big part of the reason he was (justifiably) hounded out of office was for doing things like Obama wants to do - end-runs around Congress to create new laws he couldn't get passed otherwise.

Of course, if you want a really good example of the abusive unitary executive, you need to look back to FDR.
 
2012-08-06 01:02:35 PM

qorkfiend: Indeed. The options are not between "freedom" and "government regulations". The choice is between "corporate control" - effectively turning the Internet into cable television - or "net neutrality", enforced by the only entity capable of doing so.


You can dump cable immediately, you can't dump government control.

/companies are fairly easy to punish for overreach.
//government is much, much harder and will arrest you once you cross a certain level annoyance
 
2012-08-06 01:05:43 PM

cirby: You might note that a big part of the reason he was (justifiably) hounded out of office was for doing things like Obama wants to do - end-runs around Congress to create new laws he couldn't get passed otherwise.


I've never seen such a profound mischaracterization of Nixon's resignation.
 
2012-08-06 01:06:04 PM

DamnYankees: This is what happens when legislatures are broken. Laws...laws find a way.


He could do that for this piece of crap but not for the healthcare bill?
 
2012-08-06 01:07:31 PM
Dug this up from the last thread - it's actually not a bad bill.
 
2012-08-06 01:07:45 PM

AngryDragon: DamnYankees: This is what happens when legislatures are broken. Laws...laws find a way.

He could do that for this piece of crap but not for the healthcare bill?


Legislature wasn't broken in 2009.
 
2012-08-06 01:21:50 PM
Meanwhile, the Chinese have hacked and are in full control of our Coca-Cola bottling plants. I think you're all aware of what happens next.
 
2012-08-06 01:31:55 PM

sprawl15: Kazan: i asked for info

google.com

Then again, if you aren't smart enough to figure out that "Oh and also, Abortion is illegal" means that someone attached a rider making abortion illegal, I doubt you'll be able to figure out Google's complicated interface.


or maybe you can stop being your typical farkwit self and realize that i knew he was referring to the rider, and i was asking specifically about the bill. being there there are about 20 farking bills on this this year .
 
2012-08-06 01:33:33 PM
ZMugg: FTFH: "What Obama wants, Obama gets"

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 369x500]

Sings: We've got hear-ar-ar-art, miles and miles and miles of hear-ar-ar-art.


First thing that popped into my head.

old


Heh, I immediately thought of "And little man, Obama wants you."

ew
 
2012-08-06 01:35:04 PM

Citrate1007: This is why the Tea Party is not fit to lead. They lack the basic understanding of how government works and despite their false claims they are the ones who choose to show boat for re-election rather than govern.


What? The Republicans weren't the only party to deliberately torpedo this bill.
 
2012-08-06 01:36:28 PM

dickfreckle: RexTalionis: dickfreckle: If you enjoy the internet as it currently exists, please remember to look deeply into how your candidate feels. This is one issue that is bloated with douche runoff infecting both sides of the aisle.

Your options are A) a group who wants more governmental oversight of the internet and B) a group with corporate interests who want to gut net neutrality by allowing carriers to wall off parts of the internet via traffic shaping or other restrictions.

Yeah, I know. But I'd prefer that my default side of the aisle agreed with me on this. They trend towards the "think of the children" side, Which is is what the GOP frames half their arguments with. I call bullsh*t all around.

You are correct in that one seems genuinely motivated by protecting children, and the other is just looking cable-tier us in the ass. Thing is, aren't we farked no matter what? The internet needs to be the new "fourth estate,'" since our so-called establishment media can't be arsed to to fulfill that role.

That only happens with full freedom. And both parties are, in their own ways, seeking to limit it.

And no, I'm not a Fark Independent. I'm just genuinely pissed at some high-profile Democrats who openly support federal regulation of the interwebs. Including people I respect like Biden and, yeah, Franken.


Fark Biden and Franken, just be happy that Kerry lost the 04 election so that Lieberman wasn't given any larger of a platform than he already has for his hyper-authoritarian censorship views.
 
2012-08-06 01:40:31 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Citrate1007: This is why the Tea Party is not fit to lead. They lack the basic understanding of how government works and despite their false claims they are the ones who choose to show boat for re-election rather than govern.

What? The Republicans weren't the only party to deliberately torpedo this bill.


Yes, a good example of cognitive derponance.
 
2012-08-06 01:41:23 PM

RexTalionis: dickfreckle: If you enjoy the internet as it currently exists, please remember to look deeply into how your candidate feels. This is one issue that is bloated with douche runoff infecting both sides of the aisle.

Your options are A) a group who wants more governmental oversight of the internet and B) a group with corporate interests who want to gut net neutrality by allowing carriers to wall off parts of the internet via traffic shaping or other restrictions.


Traffic shaping in itself isn't a bad thing. It's the logical way to handle a finite resource to prevent just a few people from hogging what is available. How corporations want to do it, however, is a very bad thing.
 
2012-08-06 01:50:55 PM
The Cybersecurity Act of 2012 (S 3414) Defeated in Senate Vote this Morning


Lieberman and a Republican introduced it .....

Democrats, take a minute or two if you need to work that out in your head. Has there been a SINGLE piece of legislation put forward from them in the last few years that would actually HELP the average American or the services and businesses they use? And other Republicans were trying to add "Ban Abortion" parts to the bill!

Democrats need to get on the correct side of history when it comes to the Internet. Far too many of them side with Republicans on wanting to tier it and other unnecessary regulations.
 
2012-08-06 01:52:12 PM
Approves.

i157.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-06 02:01:54 PM
The Imperial Presidency continues.
 
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