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(Billings Gazette)   Several train cars carrying denatured alcohol derail and catch fire. With a helpful picture of what a hellacious fireball might look like   (billingsgazette.com) divider line 39
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2012-08-06 12:34:11 AM
FTFA: Fourteen of the cars were carrying denatured alcohol, which is used as a fuel additive. The fifteenth car was carrying cardboard.

Was there a car carrying matches?
 
2012-08-06 12:57:04 AM
I can't be the only one who read that as "dentures and alcohol"
 
2012-08-06 01:03:33 AM

NotARocketScientist: Was there a car carrying matches?


Thankfully, there wasn't! It got bumped to make room for a boxcar full of oily rags and bootleg fireworks.
 
2012-08-06 05:37:09 AM
We haven't had a good BLEVE thread in years. It's not clear to me these were BLEVEs, but I can hope.
 
2012-08-06 06:20:02 AM
RoyBatty: We haven't had a good BLEVE thread in years. It's not clear to me these were BLEVEs, but I can hope.

BLEVEs are fun, in a pyromanicidal, suicidal sort of way. I've seen one happen with an LPG tank engulfed in flames.
 
2012-08-06 07:57:43 AM
Side note: I'm really getting pissed off by all these news sites that try to load a bazillion different domains into your browser. I'm tired of giving temporary permission to a slew of domains (one at a time--no way I'm giving them all permission if I can help it) just to view a goddamn photo.
 
2012-08-06 08:09:50 AM
Several train cars carrying denatured alcohol

Okay...

derail and catch fire.

Fire you say?

With a helpful picture of what a hellacious fireball might look like

AND pictures? I like where this is going!
 
2012-08-06 08:11:27 AM
So they denature the alcohol just for shipping before it's used as a fuel additive?

Wow the BATF is harsh.
 
2012-08-06 08:13:54 AM
i.ytimg.com
Wanted for questioning.
 
2012-08-06 08:14:37 AM

xanadian: Side note: I'm really getting pissed off by all these news sites that try to load a bazillion different domains into your browser. I'm tired of giving temporary permission to a slew of domains (one at a time--no way I'm giving them all permission if I can help it) just to view a goddamn photo.


yep.
 
2012-08-06 08:15:23 AM

Mister Peejay: So they denature the alcohol just for shipping before it's used as a fuel additive?

Wow the BATF is harsh.


Outside of medical ethanol I think all alcohol is denatured. Usually the stuff they add is just as flammable. Also makes a great cleaning agent though your house smells like a Fark Party.
 
2012-08-06 08:17:46 AM

xanadian: Side note: I'm really getting pissed off by all these news sites that try to load a bazillion different domains into your browser. I'm tired of giving temporary permission to a slew of domains (one at a time--no way I'm giving them all permission if I can help it) just to view a goddamn photo.


not as pissed as I am.
 
2012-08-06 08:18:30 AM
That picture was not disappointing. It isn't often that an article talks about an explosion and includes a picture of said explosion.
 
2012-08-06 08:19:12 AM

thatboyoverthere: Mister Peejay: So they denature the alcohol just for shipping before it's used as a fuel additive?

Wow the BATF is harsh.

Outside of medical ethanol I think all alcohol is denatured. Usually the stuff they add is just as flammable. Also makes a great cleaning agent though your house smells like a Fark Party.


So, cheap vodka and body odor?
 
2012-08-06 08:21:19 AM

thatboyoverthere: Mister Peejay: So they denature the alcohol just for shipping before it's used as a fuel additive?

Wow the BATF is harsh.

Outside of medical ethanol I think all alcohol is denatured. Usually the stuff they add is just as flammable. Also makes a great cleaning agent though your house smells like a Fark Party.


They denature alcohol that they don't want people to drink.
 
2012-08-06 08:29:40 AM
The article reads very well in the voice of a 1940s newsreel reporter.

Go ahead and try it.
 
2012-08-06 08:46:00 AM

Mister Peejay: So they denature the alcohol just for shipping before it's used as a fuel additive?

Wow the BATF is harsh.


Because Jesus.

And taxes.

But mostly Jesus.
 
2012-08-06 08:46:48 AM

Tobin_Lam: They denature alcohol that they don't want people to drink.


They denature alcohol that they don't want to pay taxes on. If people can drink it, the government assumes people will drink it, thus you must pay a 14% tax on it. Solution: make it poisonous. That way some retards will still drink it, they'll get sick, maybe die, but hey see we tried to make them not drink it by making it not drinkable alcohol.

Realize skid row drunks drink lysol and listerine.
 
2012-08-06 08:47:21 AM
This has not been a good year for BNSF.
 
2012-08-06 08:48:10 AM

Tobin_Lam: That picture was not disappointing. It isn't often that an article talks about an explosion and includes a picture of said explosion.


The picture was probably of some stock photo, or a photoshopped atomic explosion crammed into a picture of the bridge. Newscasters don't just hang out everywhere and snap pictures immediately of the sudden non-nuclear fireball.
 
2012-08-06 08:53:18 AM
bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com
/helpful
 
2012-08-06 08:57:03 AM
I thought alcohol had a blue flame?
 
2012-08-06 09:06:54 AM
Govt. killed thousands introducing 'denatured' alcohol.
 
2012-08-06 09:43:57 AM
Michael Bay found in the bushes, masturbating furiously.
 
2012-08-06 09:55:05 AM

bluefoxicy: Tobin_Lam: They denature alcohol that they don't want people to drink.

They denature alcohol that they don't want to pay taxes on. If people can drink it, the government assumes people will drink it, thus you must pay a 14% tax on it. Solution: make it poisonous. That way some retards will still drink it, they'll get sick, maybe die, but hey see we tried to make them not drink it by making it not drinkable alcohol.

Realize skid row drunks drink lysol and listerine.


The most common way to denature it is with methanol, other stuff also gets used, depending on the application.

I think the federal tax is based on the "proof gallon" (1gal @ 100 proof) and the rate is $13.50 per proof gallon. State taxes also get added in.

/Started using Everclear instead of denatured alcohol as a solvent.
 
2012-08-06 09:58:24 AM
repeat: not the link the event

BREAKING: Train carrying denatured alcohol and styrene derailed in Ohio

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Is it the heat or the humidity?
 
2012-08-06 10:23:55 AM
I b'liev that's a bleve.

/we don't make the train wreck, we make it asplodier. BNSF.
 
2012-08-06 10:37:13 AM
huh, thought alcohol burned with an invisible flame, but then I haven't seen a train tanker full go off at once, so I really don't know. Good picture if that's the actual train wreck fire/explosion.
 
2012-08-06 10:53:26 AM
pretty
 
2012-08-06 10:59:55 AM
At BNSF, we don't make a lot of the products you buy. We make a lot of the products you buy burst into flames.
 
2012-08-06 11:08:53 AM
www.themovienetwork.ca
 
2012-08-06 12:04:09 PM
Hellacious is now my new favorite word. I'm going to try to use that as frequently as possible
 
2012-08-06 12:35:58 PM

thatboyoverthere:

Outside of medical ethanol I think all alcohol is denatured. Usually the stuff they add is just as flammable. Also makes a great cleaning agent though your house smells like a Fark Party.


I use denatured from time to time in the course of my work.

As I understand it, part of the problem is that, for some applications, you need to know what the denaturant is. (AFAIK, the two main ones are methanol, or benzene)

You can buy CP ethanol for tech purposes, but it's pricey. I've heard of people de-denaturing the cheap stuff, but I can't recommend it for various legal and practical reasons.
 
2012-08-06 12:55:13 PM
The picture was probably of some stock photo, or a photoshopped atomic explosion crammed into a picture of the bridge. Newscasters don't just hang out everywhere and snap pictures immediately of the sudden non-nuclear fireball.

Ya know how I know you DRTFA?

Hint: The fire fighters knew the cars were going to explode, and backed off to wait for it. Betcha one of them had a camera.
 
2012-08-06 01:07:05 PM
xanadian: Side note: I'm really getting pissed off by all these news sites that try to load a bazillion different domains into your browser. I'm tired of giving temporary permission to a slew of domains (one at a time--no way I'm giving them all permission if I can help it) just to view a goddamn photo.

that


Also, IIRC from my chemistry teachings, doesn't denatured alcohol have a colorless to slightly blue flame that wouldn't be visible in daylight. So there would be no "hellacious fireball" to be seen, just the slow even burning of combustibles (like cardboard).

// lit a small tube of ethanol once
// a plastic tube
// didn't know the ethanol was on fire until the tube started melting.
 
2012-08-06 01:20:27 PM
What, we're only having "green" derailments now?!?
 
2012-08-06 01:44:59 PM

Mister Peejay: thatboyoverthere:

Outside of medical ethanol I think all alcohol is denatured. Usually the stuff they add is just as flammable. Also makes a great cleaning agent though your house smells like a Fark Party.

I use denatured from time to time in the course of my work.

As I understand it, part of the problem is that, for some applications, you need to know what the denaturant is. (AFAIK, the two main ones are methanol, or benzene)

You can buy CP ethanol for tech purposes, but it's pricey. I've heard of people de-denaturing the cheap stuff, but I can't recommend it for various legal and practical reasons.


From what I've read, they use nasty tasting, but less poisonous denaturants for the alcohol for topical applications.

When you say, CP ethanol, do you mean absolute or 95% EtOH? IIRC, absolute still contains trace amounts of benzene or some other compounds left from the process of removing the last bit of water.
It may have changed, but the standard "lab alcohol" was the azeotrope that's 95% EtOH . To avoid having to worry about the exact nature of the denaturants, I've just started using EverClear/ClearSprings Grain Alcohol (95% EtOH/190 Proof). I have to drive to a neighboring state to get it, but it's not all that pricey.
 
2012-08-06 05:44:29 PM
Given that the last gallon of denatured that I bought (which is, IIRC, 5% methanol) was about $20, Everclear doesn't look like a bad option. At least you know that it's "just" water.
 
2012-08-06 11:03:10 PM

tricycleracer: At BNSF, we don't make a lot of the products you buy. We make a lot of the products you buy burst into flames.


HAR!
 
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