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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   USDA decides to replace federal inspectors in chicken plants with plant workers. They also speed up the slaughter lines so that the "inspectors" get 1/3 of a second to inspect each chicken. What could possibly go wrong?   (ajc.com) divider line 227
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2012-08-05 09:55:54 PM

Swiftstone2012: The USDA's Food Safety Inspection Service, which oversees poultry plants, believes the changes would "ensure and even enhance the safety of the poultry supply by focusing our inspectors' efforts on activities more directly tied to improving food safety," FSIS spokesman Dirk Fillpot said in a statement.

And WHAT pray tell, is more directly tied to improving food safety than INSPECTING THE DAMN CHICKENS COMING DOWN THE FACTORY LINES?!!

They might as well have quoted him as "Corrupt fark-witted official #1."


I don't know, maybe inspecting every piece of equipment and process that touches the chicken upstream and making sure that they are clean and that people are working to keep them clean?

Wouldn't it be better to have somebody making sure that clean chickens are going into the head end of the line and that they stay clean while they travel the line rather than sit at the end and try to catch every dirty chicken that makes it there from a dirty line? Good luck.
 
2012-08-05 09:56:06 PM
STOP buying any chicken made at that plant. not because they don't use the USDA, but because they inspect their product in less then 1 second. Any company producing any product where quality control takes 1/3 second per item is a company not worth doing any business with or buying any products from.
 
2012-08-05 09:56:19 PM

Cewley: wait'll they start dropping over at the Chic-Fil-A.


Hmmm...less TEA-tards? Maybe we should've implemented this plan years ago?
 
2012-08-05 09:56:47 PM

clyph: Anyone who doesn't support the USDA, EPA, and the like should be forced to live in India for a month. Pretty much any "small government" teabagger type should be forced to go there to see what happens when you have a government that's effectively powerless to do anything.

A little government regulation (and the taxes that go with it) is a small cost to pay for food that doesn't give you the shaits, water that won't kill you, and a country that doesn't smell like a badly run sewage treatment plant.


Nah, India is too restrictive. They'd like Somalia better.
 
2012-08-05 09:56:59 PM

Kittypie070: And yew ghey h8erz want little kity to eat moar chikkin? Fsck ewe.


i expect more cheezburger, less 1337 sp34k from you
 
2012-08-05 09:57:38 PM

NYCNative: I am outraged... We don't need ANY inspections by ANY inspectors of any kind!

This is the free market! If anyone gets sick, that company will just wind up out of business.

If you die, no problem! Your estate can just sue them!

/ This is what RON PAUL supporters actually believe.


As opposed to now where we have an array of inspections and standards and people still die?

If the government wasn't giving the equivalent of false cover, we might see some far more effective alternatives develop.
 
2012-08-05 09:57:49 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Swiftstone2012: The USDA's Food Safety Inspection Service, which oversees poultry plants, believes the changes would "ensure and even enhance the safety of the poultry supply by focusing our inspectors' efforts on activities more directly tied to improving food safety," FSIS spokesman Dirk Fillpot said in a statement.

And WHAT pray tell, is more directly tied to improving food safety than INSPECTING THE DAMN CHICKENS COMING DOWN THE FACTORY LINES?!!

They might as well have quoted him as "Corrupt fark-witted official #1."

I don't know, maybe inspecting every piece of equipment and process that touches the chicken upstream and making sure that they are clean and that people are working to keep them clean?

Wouldn't it be better to have somebody making sure that clean chickens are going into the head end of the line and that they stay clean while they travel the line rather than sit at the end and try to catch every dirty chicken that makes it there from a dirty line? Good luck.


And don't forget, "inspecting out" the bad chickens means lost income. Reducing scrap costs is the goal for any business that wants to stay in business.
 
2012-08-05 09:59:43 PM
Where does something like this fit into the narrative that the USDA is the only that keeps us safe and companies only want to make a quick buck ?
 
2012-08-05 10:00:23 PM

loonatic112358: unless kosher, or halal meats would be a good bet


I found a halal butcher about two miles from me. Here's the goat chops I grilled two weeks ago:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-05 10:01:41 PM

pedrop357: STOP buying any chicken made at that plant. not because they don't use the USDA, but because they inspect their product in less then 1 second. Any company producing any product where quality control takes 1/3 second per item is a company not worth doing any business with or buying any products from.


I worked at a plant where we made electric motors. We took some and we mounted them into a test fixture and ran them until they burned up to see how long their life was. Do we do that to every motor that came off the line to make sure that the quality was there? No because you would end up with nothing to sell. You can use statistics to extrapolate when the process is getting out of control and make adjustments to bring it back in control.
 
2012-08-05 10:02:14 PM

Gyrfalcon: Nah, India is too restrictive. They'd like Somalia better.


I think "Somalia" is the new Godwin. Anytime someone brings up Somalia, they lose unless the person is actually talking about eliminating all government.

/Knew there was a reason you were on my list as a high-grade moron.
 
2012-08-05 10:02:22 PM
People want PETA to relax, but then they go ahead and do stuff like this.

/PETA also has several stupid methods, though
 
2012-08-05 10:04:56 PM

Lochsteppe: Mmmm...discounted irregular chickens.


Yup I buy the mixed bags, 5 pounds of breasts, tenderloins and nugget pieces frozen in unknown quantities
 
2012-08-05 10:05:08 PM

pedrop357: If the government wasn't giving the equivalent of false cover, we might see some far more effective alternatives develop.


Sometimes people just have to die of salmonella before industry gets off its ass. Fortunately this is known in the biz as "creative destruction". Anyway, you know what has to happen when you make omelets.
 
2012-08-05 10:05:35 PM
Where I work they dumped the quality inspectors and now expect line personnel (including untrained temps) to conduct the quality audits as the line is running. For pharmaceutical packaging.
 
2012-08-05 10:06:51 PM

Benjimin_Dover: I worked at a plant where we made electric motors. We took some and we mounted them into a test fixture and ran them until they burned up to see how long their life was. Do we do that to every motor that came off the line to make sure that the quality was there? No because you would end up with nothing to sell. You can use statistics to extrapolate when the process is getting out of control and make adjustments to bring it back in control.


I understand statistics, i also understand that we're talking about an industry that has a habit of putting certain things like cleanliness and safety at the bottom of their lists of priorities.

Lets put it this way, this is the food equivalent of having a plant from British Petroleum next door. You know the statistics, but they have a damning history
 
2012-08-05 10:07:30 PM
Oh, no! Is this the end of Chicken Inspector No. 23?

Footnote: I have the book: Chicken Inspector No. 23 by S.J. Perelman

Footnote2: MAD magazine kept ancient jokes like this alive for decades, puzzling generations of kids who had to ask their parents or grandparents what the Hell they meant, or bringing back fond memories for their parents and grandparents who remembered the meme from the first time round.

Footnote3: Chicken was once slang for a hot babe. It was subsequently reduced to "chick" and then feminism came along and started to drive it down into the working classes and bro' situations.

Footnote4: For more information, here is a site with explanations of "memes" of the 40s and 50s: http://www.day3media.com/culture.html The Chicken Inspector No. 23 badge (or pin) was common in the 1920s and was already an ironic reference by the 1940s.
 
2012-08-05 10:08:11 PM

Benjimin_Dover: I worked at a plant where we made electric motors. We took some and we mounted them into a test fixture and ran them until they burned up to see how long their life was. Do we do that to every motor that came off the line to make sure that the quality was there? No because you would end up with nothing to sell. You can use statistics to extrapolate when the process is getting out of control and make adjustments to bring it back in control.


Absolutely no issue here. I probably should have phrased my post better. Taking samples from each batch or run and putting them through a more exhaustive battery of tests is a perfectly legitimate QC/QA method. In this case, you're not inspecting every single item, but a statistically significant sample and for far more then 1-2 seconds.

This doesn't exactly apply to living things as the variables seem too numerous, but I'd still support a 5 minute inspection on 1% of all birds from a specific group (farm, age, something like that) as opposed to 1/3 second inspection on all of them. The way this article put it, it's the equivalent of turning each motor one for a split second and then marking it passed if it doesn't start billowing smoke.
 
2012-08-05 10:09:04 PM
This is totally going to change the way I cook chicken. No more chicken tartare at our house kids.
 
2012-08-05 10:09:12 PM

Hassan Ben Sobr: Where I work they dumped the quality inspectors and now expect line personnel (including untrained temps) to conduct the quality audits as the line is running. For pharmaceutical packaging.


if it's a blister pack type thing, you really just need people to inspect the equipment. You can have a computer perform a visual check on all packs, and pressure testing on the finished packs.


I can't figure out how to make a computer inspect a chicken
 
2012-08-05 10:09:45 PM
I just spoke to my brother's son-in-law, who worked in a chicken plant in Arkansas. He said it was standard procedure for a dropped chicken to be picked up off the floor and replaced on the line. He was observed doing this by a USDA inspector, and almost lost his job.

/I hope y'all like floor chicken
 
2012-08-05 10:09:56 PM

El Dudereno: /decided I would never buy poultry from the big producers ever again after I saw Food Inc.


Remember in that film when the farmer was talking about the inspectors trying to shut him down, that was ridiculous, if true. Still, that whole film was an eye opener.
 
2012-08-05 10:10:10 PM

theorellior: Sometimes people just have to die of salmonella before industry gets off its ass. Fortunately this is known in the biz as "creative destruction". Anyway, you know what has to happen when you make omelets.


Unless they were raising their own chickens, the chances are exceptionally high that the chicken they ate came from a USDA inspected, regulated, and approved farm/plant/processing center.
 
2012-08-05 10:10:21 PM
It's going to run how it always has: Keep doing what you're doing until someone dies.

Then maybe adjust what you're doing. If there's an outcry.
 
2012-08-05 10:10:53 PM

Techhell: and don't for a moment think that it won't spread to Europe and beyond.


It's creepy how quickly Parisians took up eating at McDonald's. Now they get to be just as fat as us.
 
2012-08-05 10:12:54 PM

Biff Spiffy: Then maybe adjust what you're doing. If there's an outcry.


A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
 
2012-08-05 10:13:55 PM

Sherman Potter: elffster: Looks like its time for more falafel and other veggie meals...

Fark factory farms.

Do you have Farmers Markets where you live? Use them.

We don't buy meat unless we know exactly where it came from.


You have any idea how much of what is sold at farmer's markets isn't actually local?
 
2012-08-05 10:13:56 PM

brantgoose: I have the book: Chicken Inspector No. 23 by S.J. Perelman


I have two Perelman books, but not that one. Good to see another FARKer who appreciates the classics.
 
2012-08-05 10:18:57 PM
Silly Jesus: It's sort of like the raw milk debate.

What I find asinine is the assertion that this can be resolved in the courts; the common person simply doesn't have the resources to wage prolonged litigation, provided they actually live through an ordeal.

I'm with you on the raw milk.
 
2012-08-05 10:19:54 PM
Is this the same federal government that can't even balance its own budget?
 
2012-08-05 10:22:07 PM

SharkTrager: Sherman Potter: elffster: Looks like its time for more falafel and other veggie meals...

Fark factory farms.

Do you have Farmers Markets where you live? Use them.

We don't buy meat unless we know exactly where it came from.

You have any idea how much of what is sold at farmer's markets isn't actually local?


Depends on which ones, and if you know which sellers to trust.

My local farmer's market had a huge awesomely entertaining bruahaha a few years ago because they're STRICTLY local, and one person had large red tomatoes before everybody else. Uproar, claims of 'being able to see where the stickers were', etc. Can't remember how it ended up but the fact that there was a uproar was kinda comforting.

I've also had friends who've worked for - and manned the tables - at a few farms that are regulars at the market. I *know* the work they do to get it to the table, and they're proud enough of what they produce that throwing in a box shipped from a large operation would be unthinkable.

That said, Detroit's Eastern Market has a mix of local and imported (state or country) stuff. But it's obvious (pineapples for sale), but you can still get hella good prices on stuff the wholesalers have at the market after the larger buyers came in at 5 AM. And mix that up with the local farms for stuff that can actually be grown here, save a bunch of money, win win.
 
2012-08-05 10:23:45 PM
Is this the new chicken inspector?

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-05 10:24:16 PM
It worked for derivatives and credit default swaps.

And soon you'll be just as legal performing your own abortions as a licensed doctor.
 
2012-08-05 10:25:56 PM

PacManDreaming: loonatic112358: unless kosher, or halal meats would be a good bet

I found a halal butcher about two miles from me. Here's the goat chops I grilled two weeks ago:

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


The suffering while the animal bleeds out makes the meat taste better. Plus you got to help the guy make an animal sacrifice to his god, so bonus points for you!
 
2012-08-05 10:32:12 PM

give me doughnuts: The suffering while the animal bleeds out makes the meat taste better.


It sure does. You wouldn't believe how good those chops were.
 
2012-08-05 10:38:35 PM

SharkTrager: Sherman Potter: elffster: Looks like its time for more falafel and other veggie meals...

Fark factory farms.

Do you have Farmers Markets where you live? Use them.

We don't buy meat unless we know exactly where it came from.

You have any idea how much of what is sold at farmer's markets isn't actually local?


At the Saint Paul farmers market anything (except coffee) sold must have been produced within a 50-mile radius. Do people cheat? Maybe. Why would they. This is Minnesota, there's a farm seven miles from me.

/i can buy eggs with chicken shiat on them. that's local.
 
2012-08-05 10:39:53 PM
I'm ok with this as long as they're doing more bacteria testing and operations inspections.
 
2012-08-05 10:41:05 PM

JRoo: [www.dreamcityphoto.com image 500x398]


Came for Lucy....
 
2012-08-05 10:44:56 PM

NYCNative: I am outraged... We don't need ANY inspections by ANY inspectors of any kind!

This is the free market! If anyone gets sick, that company will just wind up out of business.

If you die, no problem! Your estate can just sue them!

/ This is what RON PAUL supporters actually believe.



I know, right? President Paul should be ashamed of himself, and hopefully we won't elect him to a second term in November.
 
2012-08-05 10:45:11 PM
Thanks GOPers, you farking animals.
 
2012-08-05 10:47:00 PM

T. Dawg: We will be slaughtering 20 chickens this upcoming Saturday, and have 25 more birds on order to be ready for eats by mid-October. We have five left in the freezer from our first run. They get organic feed and free range for ten hours each day. I know not every family can do this, but if you can it is wonderfully freeing to grow your own meat. And then we get to avoid spending our money the creepy factory meat.


Do you guys do it yourself? How hard is it really? I hope someday that we'll be taking over Lordfortuna's parent's land and then we can raise our own as well, but I'm a little squeamish about the slaughtering part. I will also be buying one of those mechanical plucker things to deal with the feathers.
 
2012-08-05 10:49:16 PM
So after I eat fast food chicken I'll get the runs 4 out of 5 times instead of 2 out of 5 times?
 
2012-08-05 10:50:08 PM

ladyfortuna: I will also be buying one of those mechanical plucker things to deal with the feathers.


That's the worst part about processing your own chickens. The smell of wet feathers will make you NEVER want to eat chicken again.
 
2012-08-05 10:53:43 PM
PacManDreaming: Is this the new chicken inspector?

forums.millarworld.tv
 
2012-08-05 10:55:07 PM

clyph: Anyone who doesn't support the USDA, EPA, and the like should be forced to live in India for a month. Pretty much any "small government" teabagger type should be forced to go there to see what happens when you have a government that's effectively powerless to do anything.


Sounds more like the anarchist philosophy from the squatter thread a few days back, to be honest. Government should have no say in such things according to the leftists in those threads.
 
2012-08-05 10:55:34 PM
Thank God I don't eat chicken.
 
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2012-08-05 10:55:53 PM
So were going to let corporations self inspect?

What's next? We let prisoners give themselves parole hearings?

Do we let politicians investigate themselves when they're accused of serious crimes?

Do we let inner city gangs police themselves if one of their members commits a murder, sells drugs or pimps out underage girls?

Do we let cops investigate themselves when they're accused of beating and robbing the public?
 
2012-08-05 11:00:15 PM
 
2012-08-05 11:03:01 PM
Meanhile, it's illegal for me to raise a couple of chickens in my own back yard.
 
2012-08-05 11:06:50 PM

ModernLuddite: When I think "small, local farm" I think "Robert Pickton dead hooker sausage".

//Google it.
///And if you ever ate sausage in western Canada in the last decade, try not to think about it.


Thats cause you're a dumbass. Or a canadian. Tough to tell the difference sometimes.

Meanwhile:

Shout-out to the very awesome and tasty Rain Shadow Meats Taste is amazing, price competitive. Cut out the idiot middle man, sell to local restaurants and groceries.
 
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