BronyMedic: I believe it's been pointed out to you and others, numerous times over this thread, that labeling someone as a "homosexual pedophile" is an irrelevant attempt at mixing words in an attempt to smear a group of people with the label "pedophile". Their sexual orientation is irrelevant due to the fact it's been proven in research that no one sexual orientation offends at a higher rate.

The fact that no one sexual orientation offends at a higher rate is completely irrelevant to how accurate or not a description is when applied to one individual. There are homosexual pedophiles around. You might not like it and I don't like it, but denying that they exist is so ludicrous that it only adds ammunition to a bigoted point of view which really doesn't need it.

BronyMedic: the ability for a heterosexual male who has pedophilia to be attracted to both adult women, and children who are male.

Upthread you claimed that there was no such thing as sexual attraction to male children; that pedophiles were invariably attracted to both sexes. Now you're saying that it's possible for a straight teleiophile also to be a homosexual pedophile?

SkunkWerks: Little known fact: the field of Psychology is mostly about Statistics. If you don't like math, this isn't the field for you.

Yeah. I've worked with psychologists. When they get the hang of the null hypothesis and the control group I'll listed to them a bit more carefully.

orbister: There are homosexual pedophiles around.


Terminology

A second problem is that the terminology used in this area is often confusing and can even be misleading. We can begin to address that problem by defining some basic terms.

Pedophilia and child molestation are used in different ways, even by professionals. Pedophilia usually refers to an adult psychological disorder characterized by a preference for prepubescent children as sexual partners; this preference may or may not be acted upon. The term hebephilia is sometimes used to describe adult sexual attractions to adolescents or children who have reached puberty.

Whereas pedophilia and hebephilia refer to psychological propensities, child molestation and child sexual abuse are used to describe actual sexual contact between an adult and someone who has not reached the legal age of consent. In this context, the latter individual is referred to as a child, even though he or she may be a teenager.

Although the terms are not always applied consistently, it is useful to distinguish between pedophiles/hebephiles and child molesters/abusers. Pedophilia and hebephilia are diagnostic labels that refer to psychological attractions. Not all pedophiles and hebephiles actually molest children; an adult can be attracted to children or adolescents without ever actually engaging in sexual contact with them.

Child molestation and child sexual abuse refer to actions, and don't imply a particular psychological makeup or motive on the part of the perpetrator. Not all incidents of child sexual abuse are perpetrated by pedophiles or hebephiles; in some cases, the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing pattern of sexual attraction to children.

Thus, not all child sexual abuse is perpetrated by pedophiles (or hebephiles) and not all pedophiles and hebephiles actually commit abuse. Consequently, it is important to use terminology carefully.

Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men's abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don't implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator's sexual orientation.


Um, no, there really aren't.

orbister: Yeah. I've worked with psychologists.

It's real tempting, but I won't... I'll just settle for saying I don't think you've got a very clear idea what you're talking about here.

This language issue you've got- and referring to it that way is both accurate and polite- is indicative of a person who doesn't really "get" the field at all. Like the folk who are hot to blame "head shrinks" for "all them murderin' bastards that get away with the Insanity Defense". People who see Psychiatry as some sort of "voodoo profession" at worst, and at best, "pseudoscience".

You're not distinguishing yourself as very far from that mindset, and this does you a disservice in discourse. But I'll grant, you seem intelligent and capable of comprehension. I'll wait and see, I suppose.

orbister: Upthread you claimed that there was no such thing as sexual attraction to male children;
That's not really what he was saying.

that pedophiles were invariably attracted to both sexes.
Yes and No. It's best to describe it as a genderless attraction that instead fixates on a "type". Some will screw any kid with blonde hair, some just like the smooth legs, and some just like kids who look like some kid they're fixated on.

Now you're saying that it's possible for a straight teleiophile also to be a homosexual pedophile?
YES

SuwonROKs: Mock26: mark12A: So BSA has had problems with Scout Leaders (male) sexually abusing Scouts (male) so they want to keep gays out to stop Scout sexual abuse. Male on male sex is by definition homosexual sex. And yet you have a problem with BSA trying to stop this by keeping gays out?

Pedophilia != Homosexuality.

I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual! I am also equally amazed that these same people who are worried that a homosexual scout master might molest their son have no problems with letting their daughters have close contact with male teachers.

When both the abuser and victim are of the same sex it sure as hell does equal homosexuality. Homo=same, dumbass.

I'm always amazed at how many idiots can't seem to understand such simple logic.

So, all of those clinical psychologists who have degrees and years of experience in their field of study and who are the ones who have come to the conclusion that male-on-male molestation of minors has nothing really to do with sexual orientation and that it is therefore NOT an act of homosexuality are a bunch of idiots? Please tell us your credentials that prove professional clinical psychologists are wrong. Seriously, Tell us. Some of us here need a good laugh.

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mock26: This is not "my" definition that you are saying is wrong. It is the definition long established and used by clinical psychologists. But, since you obviously know more about the clinical psychology behind this, what exactly are your credentials that make you right and clinical psychologists wrong? Do you have a degree in psychology?

We understand that you very much want male on male sexual context to be heterosexual. We get that. But it isn't. Male on male sexual contact is homosexual.

We understand that you have an IQ of about 65 and an education level of about 6. We get that. You are an uneducated moron. Your continued contradiction to accepted clinical psychological definitions proves that. So please continue. Keep on opening your retarded mouth and sticking your foot right in there.

Mugato: Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual!

I'm always amazed that someone brings up this ridiculous talking point in every thread like this.

I am always amazed at the number of farking retards who reject years and years of research by clinical psychologists. But, since you surely know about about this than professionals, can you list your credentials? Are you a psychologist? Maybe you are a scientologist and just know these things? Or maybe you are an expert cock sucker? Please, enlighten us.

orbister: In any case, it seems unlikely to me that those who seek to molest 15 year old Boy Scouts would in general be equally happy with a 15 year old Girl Scout, and vice versa.

Yet many of them have families (as in they are married to a woman and have children).

I don't know if it means anything, but did anyone notice the name of the of the writers of the article was "Felch"? I'm just sayin'

Apparently they've never met Al. I thought that pretty well cleared it up but I guess not.

Mock26: We understand that you have an IQ of about 65 and an education level of about 6. We get that. You are an uneducated moron. Your continued contradiction to accepted clinical psychological definitions proves that. So please continue. Keep on opening your retarded mouth and sticking your foot right in there.

There will always be your type who come into a thread like this to spew hate. Spew the hate. Live it. Project it. It's what you do.

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mock26: We understand that you have an IQ of about 65 and an education level of about 6. We get that. You are an uneducated moron. Your continued contradiction to accepted clinical psychological definitions proves that. So please continue. Keep on opening your retarded mouth and sticking your foot right in there.

There will always be your type who come into a thread like this to spew hate. Spew the hate. Live it. Project it. It's what you do.

Yeah, you do that, Throbble, he of the many ignorant trolls who refuses to listen to anything except "pedophile = homosexuality" despite being taught and informed many, many times. We're the ones spewing our hate for trying to educate and then becoming tired of idiots like you.

orbister: There are homosexual pedophiles around. You might not like it and I don't like it, but denying that they exist is so ludicrous that it only adds ammunition to a bigoted point of view which really doesn't need it.

orbister: Upthread you claimed that there was no such thing as sexual attraction to male children; that pedophiles were invariably attracted to both sexes. Now you're saying that it's possible for a straight teleiophile also to be a homosexual pedophile?

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite, is it?

orbister: SkunkWerks: Little known fact: the field of Psychology is mostly about Statistics. If you don't like math, this isn't the field for you.

Yeah. I've worked with psychologists. When they get the hang of the null hypothesis and the control group I'll listed to them a bit more carefully.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

orbister: Aussie_As: ....The oddity in Sandusky's case is that he seems to have liked young boys and grown women, so perhaps we should put him down as bisexual?

There are gay guys who like older men, gay guys who like men of the same age, gay guys who like younger men and gay guys who like very young men or boys. It's a spectrum, and I am not sure that saying "Men who like 18 year old males are gay but men who like 17 year old males are something else" is a worthwhile argument. The notion that all gays are potential child molesters is clearly misguided, but the notion that child molesters can never, by definition, be gay is so incredible that it undermines the counterargument to the save-our-kids-from-the-gays brigade.

In some of his earlier works, Edmund White argued that the gay community should include NAMBLA on the basis that allowing some forms of gay sex to be acceptable and some unacceptable would undermine the whole of gay liberation. It's an argument of it's time; I think the gay community should now have the courage to admit that yes, there are gay child molesters and that no, they are no more acceptable than the straight sort.

Fourteen year olds tend, on the whole, to lust after fourteen year olds. Fifteen year olds after fifteen year olds, And so on. I wonder if some gay men freeze their sexual attraction in their mid teens as they begin to comprehend fully how much some sections of society will disapprove of fully matured gay sexual choices.

So when I argued in a previous thread that Sandusky was hetero because he's got a 40-year marriage, I was shot down by farkers, and I subsequently agreed that I couldn't define Sandusky as eithere hetero or homosexual. Now you're shooting me down because you somehow regard 17-year-olds as 'pre-pubescent'. What age did you grow pubes/balls drop/get your period? If you were 18 when this happened, I deeply, deeply apologise and I'll accept I need to rethink the entire situation. Else you're just manipulating what I said to criticise gays, when the topic of the thread is pedos, and that's just farked.

From my understanding of the male gay community, and my knowledge of my male gay friends, there are gay guys who like young post-pubescent gay males, there are guys who like slim Asian dudes, there are guys who like beefy hairy 'bears', there are guys who like older guys, and there are many, many gay guys who like any dude who's really into cock. As an Australian (living in a country with a small black population) I'm also guessing there are guys who like black guys, in any of the above combinations. Anyone is welcome to correct me on any of these points. I'm straight, married and not into any dating scene at all so perhaps I've missed some recent trends.

But the point is why do you keep claiming that guys who are into post-pubescent guys are in any way related to those who are into pre-pubescent boys? In this thread, you've banged on about 14-year-olds, 17-year-olds as if they're the same as 8-year-olds. From a LEGAL (ie COMPLETELY non-psychological viewpoint) you are correct in some states/countries, but from a purely psychological viewpoint (and this is, after all, what motivates a pedo), you are totally wrong.

When Pa's looking the other way, the party goes on

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mock26: We understand that you have an IQ of about 65 and an education level of about 6. We get that. You are an uneducated moron. Your continued contradiction to accepted clinical psychological definitions proves that. So please continue. Keep on opening your retarded mouth and sticking your foot right in there.

There will always be your type who come into a thread like this to spew hate. Spew the hate. Live it. Project it. It's what you do.

Not spewing hate. Just calling you out on your monumental ignorance.

Mock26: Not spewing hate. Just calling you out on your monumental ignorance.

Look, I just don't see the need for the childish nastiness. I'm not your enemy. I firmly strongly vocally support gay equality in all things. People are people, and it is barbaric to deny someone rights for love between consenting adults. Our society is changing, and that bit of incivility will soon be a thing of the past. It seems that we disagree that sex between men and teen boys is same-sex. I would have thought that they are both male makes it same sex. You disagree. Okay so we are both strongly on the side of civil rights for all, and disagree on that one point. Your spewing of childish insults doesn't help your argument at all.

I will go ahead and assume you let some personal emotion get the better of you, and you aren't actually the ignorant childish hateful person you come off as on fark.

Things I learned today:

When someone's diddling a kid, and the kid happens to be of the same gender as the diddler, that makes the act- and all involved in it- very, very homosexual.

Where did he touch you Johnny? Show us on the doll. Oh, he touched you there? Well that's cuz you're gay, Johnny.

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mock26: Not spewing hate. Just calling you out on your monumental ignorance.

Look, I just don't see the need for the childish nastiness. I'm not your enemy. I firmly strongly vocally support gay equality in all things. People are people, and it is barbaric to deny someone rights for love between consenting adults. Our society is changing, and that bit of incivility will soon be a thing of the past. It seems that we disagree that sex between men and teen boys is same-sex. I would have thought that they are both male makes it same sex. You disagree. Okay so we are both strongly on the side of civil rights for all, and disagree on that one point. Your spewing of childish insults doesn't help your argument at all.

I will go ahead and assume you let some personal emotion get the better of you, and you aren't actually the ignorant childish hateful person you come off as on fark.

A dozen people have attempted to educate you on the matter, yet you seem either incapable or unwilling to understand any of it, so don't get indignant when people start losing patience with you.

SkunkWerks: Things I learned today:

When someone's diddling a kid, and the kid happens to be of the same gender as the diddler, that makes the act- and all involved in it- very, very homosexual.

Where did he touch you Johnny? Show us on the doll. Oh, he touched you there? Well that's cuz you're gay, Johnny.

You didn't learn shiat, all you've done is ignore what scientists, psychologists, and biologists have studied for decades so you can keep equating homosexuals with pedophiles.

Keizer_Ghidorah: A dozen people have attempted to educate you on the matter, yet you seem either incapable or unwilling to understand any of it, so don't get indignant when people start losing patience with you

Hmmmm. Two people kept talking about adult sexual preference, while I was referring to an act, not a preference. An action between a male and a male is same sex. Male is the same sex as male.

ThrobblefootSpectre: Keizer_Ghidorah: A dozen people have attempted to educate you on the matter, yet you seem either incapable or unwilling to understand any of it, so don't get indignant when people start losing patience with you

Hmmmm. Two people kept talking about adult sexual preference, while I was referring to an act, not a preference. An action between a male and a male is same sex. Male is the same sex as male.

Which is not defined as homosexuality when it involves a prepubescent child. A female pedophile isn't considered lesbian if she molests a young girl, either. Pedophiles are attracted to the age and physical attributes that invoke childness, gender is seldom a concern. Depending on the availability of one gender or another, a pedophile will gravitate towards those that are more common and/or have better access to. There are exceptions with targeting a specific gender, but by definition it is not homosexuality, it is pedophelia.

Keizer_Ghidorah: You didn't learn shiat, all you've done is ignore what scientists, psychologists, and biologists have studied for decades so you can keep equating homosexuals with pedophiles.

Things I learned a long time ago:

Facetiousness doesn't play well in text.

SkunkWerks: Keizer_Ghidorah: You didn't learn shiat, all you've done is ignore what scientists, psychologists, and biologists have studied for decades so you can keep equating homosexuals with pedophiles.

Things I learned a long time ago:

Facetiousness doesn't play well in text.

Sorry about that, didn't look at your name and after all the real derp your mocking blended in a bit.