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2012-08-06 02:40:35 AM  

Boxcutta: As someone who grew up Catholic, was a scout from Tiger Cubs through the rank of Eagle Scout and spent two summers in high school at Penn State football camp with Mr. Jerry Sandusky, the fact that I have never been molested is really taking a toll on my self-esteem.


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2012-08-06 02:54:13 AM  

Firethorn: timujin: A Los Angeles Times review of more than 1,200 files dating from 1970 to 1991 found more than 125 cases across the country in which men allegedly continued to molest Scouts after the organization was first presented with detailed allegations of abusive behavior.

The Scouts said the review found 175 instances in which the files prevented men who'd been banned for alleged abuse from reentering the program.

A 7:5 success to failure ratio? Not great.

Well, you could also consider that there's 1200 files; you could say the policy 'works' 6:1.


Out of their pool, they have had 175 successes, 125 failures, the other files weren't utilized. 175:125 or 7:5, when speaking strictly of success to failures when it comes to this thing.

Now, that 1200 files isn't unimportant, that's 1200 dudes that they've caught and tagged. It's just that their "tagging" only works about half the time that one of those assholes tries to get back in. The other 900 probably went to work for the Boys Club or something.

The best "success to failure" ratio, though, would be the number of guys they found vs. the number that got away with it, but that's a number we'll never know.
 
2012-08-06 02:55:59 AM  

mark12A: I don't see women trying to be Boy scout leaders, either. What does that prove?

They pushed their way into Scout Troops, Order of the Arrow, Explorers, etc. They didn't need to, just cultural vandalism, that's all, much like teenage punks that climb buildings and spray graffiti to show how awesome they are.

The Supreme court said private organizations can choose their members, the BSA is NOT going to let open gays in, get over it, move on.


I know you're just trolling, but the BSA is not a true private organization. They receive taxpayer money and use government buildings to hold all of their meetings.
 
2012-08-06 02:58:22 AM  

mark12A: As I understand your question, keeping the gays out will lower the number of sexual abuses because being gay makes you want to sexually abuse young boys and therefore, such as, none of the abusers are heterosexual.

Obviously. They're not heterosexual men if they're abusing boys.


You are correct. They are (generally speaking) one or more of: religious, republican, outspoken homophobes.
 
2012-08-06 03:13:56 AM  

Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual!


He is automatically a homosexual. The error is in thinking that a homosexal guy will automatically molest little boys.
 
2012-08-06 03:16:55 AM  

Mock26:
Because, BY DEFINITION, pedophilia is NOT homosexual.


Neither is stamp-collecting, and yet it would be pointless to deny that there are gay stamp collectors.
 
2012-08-06 03:17:22 AM  

orbister: Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual!

He is automatically a homosexual. The error is in thinking that a homosexal guy will automatically molest little boys.


Not according to psychologists.
 
2012-08-06 03:34:23 AM  

orbister: Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual!

He is automatically a homosexual. The error is in thinking that a homosexal guy will automatically molest little boys.


Many pedos who fiddle with boys have no interest in grown men, even college kids. I'm not aware of any Penn State footballers who have claimed that Sandusky showed any interest in them. So he liked them pre-pubescent, but not as fit, built dudes aged 18-22. Doesn't sound like any gay dude I've ever met.

Psychologists (and I'm not one) understand pedos to have an incompletely developed sexuality. They can not be considered gay or straight. In Sandusky's case, as a football coach and pedo, he had much more access to boys than girls. It's more complicated than just gay/straight. A GIS will point you to far more research about the topic.

But expecting many folk on this site to have any grasp of a complicated concept is clearly asking too much.
 
2012-08-06 04:03:40 AM  

Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual


Male on male sexual contact is homosexual. That is the definition of homosexual. It doesn't matter how much you or other people don't want that to be true.
 
2012-08-06 04:09:20 AM  
Underage boy lovers really just need to stay away from boy scouts.

Get married (and I support this, gay equality NOW dammit), live your life, be happy and free. But damn, when you're a struggling alcoholic, working in a brewery just isn't a good idea.
 
2012-08-06 04:18:43 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual

Male on male sexual contact is homosexual. That is the definition of homosexual. It doesn't matter how much you or other people don't want that to be true.


This is not "my" definition that you are saying is wrong. It is the definition long established and used by clinical psychologists. But, since you obviously know more about the clinical psychology behind this, what exactly are your credentials that make you right and clinical psychologists wrong? Do you have a degree in psychology?
 
2012-08-06 04:20:23 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual

Male on male sexual contact is homosexual. That is the definition of homosexual. It doesn't matter how much you or other people don't want that to be true.


Out of curiosity, do you think that rapists do it for sexual gratification?
 
2012-08-06 04:29:08 AM  

Mock26: This is not "my" definition that you are saying is wrong. It is the definition long established and used by clinical psychologists. But, since you obviously know more about the clinical psychology behind this, what exactly are your credentials that make you right and clinical psychologists wrong? Do you have a degree in psychology?


We understand that you very much want male on male sexual context to be heterosexual. We get that. But it isn't. Male on male sexual contact is homosexual.
 
2012-08-06 04:46:39 AM  
Good luck with that, considering that the organization was allegedly formed by a repressed homosexual and the book they made their boys read had expletive references to masturbation.
 
2012-08-06 06:08:41 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual

Male on male sexual contact is homosexual. That is the definition of homosexual. It doesn't matter how much you or other people don't want that to be true.


No, male on male sexual contact is a homosexual act, just as male on female sexual contact is a heterosexual act.

Someone engaging in either with a child is a paedophile, not a homosexual or a heterosexual.
 
2012-08-06 06:34:32 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: We understand that you very much want male on male sexual context to be heterosexual. We get that. But it isn't. Male on male sexual contact is homosexual.

You need to contact the mail-order correspondence degree course you got your Introduction to Psychology or Psychology of Sexuality coursework from, and demand your money back. They clearly failed you in this aspect.
 
2012-08-06 06:39:54 AM  
Wait, wait, wait. This is all getting confusing. Seems to me there should be six basic groupings:
"Heterosexual"
"Homosexual"
"Bixsexual"
"Heterosexual paedophile"
"Homosexual paedophile"
"Bisexual paedophile"
We can all calm down now.
 
2012-08-06 06:50:25 AM  
Hey subby, I keep getting told that the pervs aren't "gay" they're preditors and that they would do the same to little girls. Now which one is it? Are they gay and preditors or just preditors?
 
2012-08-06 07:03:28 AM  
LiberalConservative: Wait, wait, wait. This is all getting confusing. Seems to me there should be six basic groupings:
"Heterosexual"
"Homosexual"
"Bixsexual"
"Heterosexual paedophile"
"Homosexual paedophile"
"Bisexual paedophile"
We can all calm down now.


Uh, no. One of the universal features of pedophiles is that the pedophilia either exists separate from the adult sexual orientation, or exists as an individual sexual orientation that took the place of what would normally develop as an ASO.

Misleading the issue like this is a "Poisoning the well" tactic meant to associate the earned hatred of pedophiles with a disliked group.

A heterosexual male who is a pedophile may exclusively target the age range of four to six because of the body features of that developmental group, and may be attracted to boys. Or they may have a completely dysfunctional sex life, while still being able to perfectly function around their age of attraction.
 
2012-08-06 07:14:25 AM  
Hopefully this situation coming out in the open will be the beginning of the end of child predators having success in the BSA.

Hopefully some helpful soul will point out an existing software the BSA can employ in an effort to minimizing tragedies. Hopefully the BSA will create new, strong procedures where they use access to background checks and law enforcement/arrest history.

As for all the arseclowns molesters on the big list? Burn in hell, kiddie predators.

And an even bigger "Screw You" to all those parents who did not participate in their childrens lives, and instead left them in the hands of seriously farked up creeps. when I was in school and in Scouts the biggest problem they had was getting Parents to participate.

And for the 100th time, if people want a Scouting experience that welcome the non-hetero community, then start one on your own. Don't deny the kids the wonderful times. They won't be young forever.
 
2012-08-06 07:21:57 AM  
KrispyKritter: And for the 100th time, if people want a Scouting experience that welcome the non-hetero community, then start one on your own. Don't deny the kids the wonderful times. They won't be young forever.

Then stop using federal grant funding, legislative endorsement, and Government support for your organization.

And no one's denying "kids" anything, other than the BSA's explicit refusal to allow LGBT teenagers and adults to participate.
 
2012-08-06 07:45:42 AM  

BronyMedic: You need to contact the mail-order correspondence degree course you got your Introduction to Psychology or Psychology of Sexuality coursework from, and demand your money back. They clearly failed you in this aspect


Fury Pilot: Someone engaging in either with a child is a paedophile, not a homosexual or a heterosexual.



*facepalm*. Okay, It is same sex sexual contact. Male on male sex.

Happy now? We'll leave out the word homosexual (meaning same sex) since it seems to upset some people into politically correct rediculousness.
 
2012-08-06 07:51:44 AM  

Mock26: mark12A: So BSA has had problems with Scout Leaders (male) sexually abusing Scouts (male) so they want to keep gays out to stop Scout sexual abuse. Male on male sex is by definition homosexual sex. And yet you have a problem with BSA trying to stop this by keeping gays out?

Pedophilia != Homosexuality.

I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual! I am also equally amazed that these same people who are worried that a homosexual scout master might molest their son have no problems with letting their daughters have close contact with male teachers.


When both the abuser and victim are of the same sex it sure as hell does equal homosexuality. Homo=same, dumbass.

I'm always amazed at how many idiots can't seem to understand such simple logic.
 
2012-08-06 08:11:30 AM  

mrEdude: They're like the Catholic church of camping!


Well, lessee, one of the Boy Scouts' original purpose was to halt masturbation in young boys by giving them something else to do. And granted, at the time, you had a lot of physicians who really, really believed that masturbation was detrimental to health. Not that there were any scientific reasons to believe this was so.

Take a wild guess as to what was driving all that hysteria. Then take a moment to reflect on the notion that maybe masturbation isn't the worst thing that could happen to young boys, after all.

Oznog: No, the Scouts just said "maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but we can't let you work here ever again."


You know, for an organization steeped in a Christian background, you'd somehow expect more civic responsibility. I mean it's great and all that they have their organization covered (spoilers: they're doing a bad job of even that apparently) but it's not like the Boy Scouts is the only place one can have contact with kids. There's a lot of other organizations (public schools, daycares, youth leagues, etc.) that I'm sure would be pleased as punch if the BSA would give them a heads-up about such things.

If only there were a central authority of some sort whose very purpose and mission it is to investigate such allegations, prove their veracity, and protect the public (not just the BSA) from those individuals if it deems it necessary...

Great Porn Dragon: ...not a whole lot you can do with a pedobear otherwise.


Not much except study them, leading to all that wonderful information you've been talking up regarding why they do what they do. It's not like executing the ones you caught doesn't mean more won't crop up at any future point.

GhostFish: The ban on openly gay men didn't keep these pedos out. And I'd bet dollars to donuts that none of them self identify as gay.

The two issues are not related.


Well, except, yanno, irony.

ThrobblefootSpectre: It doesn't matter how much you or other people don't want that to be true.


You mean sorta like I'd prefer to believe persons like yourself were not members of my species? Rather than focusing on the rather more important detail that it's the proud ignorance you swagger about that I really find repugnant?

Lemme guess, you believe the penis/vagina to be the primary sex organ?
 
2012-08-06 08:15:05 AM  

SkunkWerks: You mean sorta like I'd prefer to believe persons like yourself were not members of my species?


You wishing to be a different species is a different kink all together friend.
 
2012-08-06 08:25:06 AM  

Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual!


I'm always amazed that someone brings up this ridiculous talking point in every thread like this.
 
2012-08-06 08:44:04 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: Why are they so insistent on handling such affairs in-house?


Nothing in TFA says cover up. They maintain a list of alleged abusers and keep them out of the organization to be safe. Nowhere does it say that they prevented the police from investigating those allegations.
 
2012-08-06 08:44:46 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: all together friend.


FRIEND!
 
2012-08-06 08:50:42 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: *facepalm*. Okay, It is same sex sexual contact. Male on male sex.

No. It's male on pre-adolescent sex. It has nothing to do with hetero- or homosexuality. You are describing ASOs, Adult Sexual Orientations, which would develop in a 'normal' person. Pedophiles are not normal. Pedophilia develops separate from, or replaces completely the ASO of the individual.

ThrobblefootSpectre:
Happy now? We'll leave out the word homosexual (meaning same sex) since it seems to upset some people into politically correct rediculousnesswho get annoyed at people who are too lazy to spend five minutes researching their talking point with a simple Google search before spouting off flippantly wrong information and/or blatant lies, and demonstrates a cognitive inability to differentiate between concepts of benign sexual orientations and pathological paraphilias.

There. Fixed that for you. You can argue political correctness when you have at least a leg to stand on, not when you're blatantly misquoting psychiatric principles and trying to poison the wells.

SuwonROKs: When both the abuser and victim are of the same sex it sure as hell does equal homosexuality. Homo=same, dumbass.

I don't think he's the one looking like a dumbass. It's been proven that sexual orientation does not have anything to do with the predisposition for child abuse or pedophilia. But you keep repeating that. Maybe you can pretend it's true a little longer.
 
2012-08-06 09:34:25 AM  

BronyMedic: Uh, no. One of the universal features of pedophiles is that the pedophilia either exists separate from the adult sexual orientation, or exists as an individual sexual orientation that took the place of what would normally develop as an ASO.

Misleading the issue like this is a "Poisoning the well" tactic meant to associate the earned hatred of pedophiles with a disliked group.

A heterosexual male who is a pedophile may exclusively target the age range of four to six because of the body features of that developmental group, and may be attracted to boys. Or they may have a completely dysfunctional sex life, while still being able to perfectly function around their age of attraction.


This is the first time on fark i've seen this whole (to me weird) argument that male pedophile who targets male victim != homosexual. So this is all quite interesting to me.
You may have a valid point about the "poisoning of the well" tactic. But the thing is there doesnt seem to be any vocal sentiment along the lines of heterosexual != pedophile when a male pedophile targets a female victim. Because of this, it seems there may be an element of a "poisoning of the well" tactic in reverse; a certain "disliked" group is trying to disassociate with pedophiles for their own benifit/comfort/convenience by completely separating pedophilia from all adult sexual orientation (of any type). While I guess this is kind of understandable, it also may be at the risk over oversimplifying all "flavours" of pedophilia into one basket. That could be a dangerous thing to do.
 
2012-08-06 09:44:17 AM  

LiberalConservative: But the thing is there doesnt seem to be any vocal sentiment along the lines of heterosexual != pedophile when a male pedophile targets a female victim.


Mostly because there's no fanatical upswell of pseudo-religious wingnuts who choose to blame in on a group of people who have nothing to do with it when that happens.

These are the same people that blamed the Black Plague on a 12th Century painter. I'll trust the scientists, thanks much.
 
2012-08-06 09:56:13 AM  

LiberalConservative: it seems there may be an element of a "poisoning of the well" tactic in reverse; a certain "disliked" group is trying to disassociate with pedophiles for their own benifit/comfort/convenience by completely separating pedophilia from all adult sexual orientation (of any type). While I guess this is kind of understandable, it also may be at the risk over oversimplifying all "flavours" of pedophilia into one basket. That could be a dangerous thing to do.


It sounds to me that people are getting overly defensive because they don't want homosexuality associated with pedophilia, which no one but the lunatic fringe actually tries to do. But there's no denying that most pedophiles prefer one gender over another.
 
2012-08-06 10:04:54 AM  
 
2012-08-06 10:07:19 AM  
So, after a scout attains the rank of Eagle, what next?

\a transfer to the Catholic priesthood?
 
2012-08-06 10:22:08 AM  

mark12A: I don't see women trying to be Boy scout leaders, either. What does that prove?

They pushed their way into Scout Troops, Order of the Arrow, Explorers, etc. They didn't need to, just cultural vandalism, that's all, much like teenage punks that climb buildings and spray graffiti to show how awesome they are.

The Supreme court said private organizations can choose their members, the BSA is NOT going to let open gays in, get over it, move on.

I'm going over to the Mars landing thread...


He's just upset because Troop Leader Dan doesn't think he is cute anymore.
 
2012-08-06 10:47:41 AM  

SkunkWerks: Mugato: But there's no denying that most pedophiles prefer one gender over another.

Typologies of Offenders

The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children - boys, girls, or children of both sexes.


Actually, that was a very interesting article. Seems many people here could benifit from reading it... especially those that are claiming pedophiles have no adult sexual orientation. The quote above you used to link to the article could be seen as misleading for some; this quote applies only to molesters that are categorised as "fixated" as opposed to those that are "regressed" or within other categories (not defined in the article) or in multiple categories.
 
2012-08-06 11:07:29 AM  

SkunkWerks: Mugato: But there's no denying that most pedophiles prefer one gender over another.

Typologies of Offenders

The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children - boys, girls, or children of both sexes.


Yeah, I get it. Both you and the article are getting very defensive that homosexuality shouldn't be tied to pedophilia. And they're not and most people don't think that they are. But that doesn't mean that pedophiles can't have a gender preference in their victims. So if you dropped the knee-jerk defensiveness for a second you'd see that.
 
2012-08-06 11:10:45 AM  
LiberalConservative: Actually, that was a very interesting article. Seems many people here could benifit from reading it... especially those that are claiming pedophiles have no adult sexual orientation. The quote above you used to link to the article could be seen as misleading for some; this quote applies only to molesters that are categorised as "fixated" as opposed to those that are "regressed" or within other categories (not defined in the article) or in multiple categories.

Really? Who's doing that?

I believe it's been pointed out to you and others, numerous times over this thread, that labeling someone as a "homosexual pedophile" is an irrelevant attempt at mixing words in an attempt to smear a group of people with the label "pedophile". Their sexual orientation is irrelevant due to the fact it's been proven in research that no one sexual orientation offends at a higher rate. In reality, the pedophilia exists completely separate from their sexual orientation.

Even the article goes on to say that there was no differentiation based on adult sexual orientation of the regressed groups.

LiberalConservative: This is the first time on fark i've seen this whole (to me weird) argument that male pedophile who targets male victim != homosexual. So this is all quite interesting to me.

Stop being disingenuous.

LiberalConservative: You may have a valid point about the "poisoning of the well" tactic. But the thing is there doesnt seem to be any vocal sentiment along the lines of heterosexual != pedophile when a male pedophile targets a female victim. Because of this, it seems there may be an element of a "poisoning of the well" tactic in reverse; a certain "disliked" group is trying to disassociate with pedophiles for their own benifit/comfort/convenience by completely separating pedophilia from all adult sexual orientation (of any type). While I guess this is kind of understandable, it also may be at the risk over oversimplifying all "flavours" of pedophilia into one basket. That could be a dangerous thing to do.

The dangerous thing to do, in reality, is to stereotype pedophile offenders according to their sexuality and gender, and try to "protect" kids in that manner. The funny thing is, because of the stereotype of Pedophiles, and the culture we live in, that Female Adult-male child sexual abuse often goes unreported or unprosecuted, right? Or, it gets posted on FARK and everyone wants to give the kid a high five for bagging a MILF.
 
2012-08-06 11:12:41 AM  
Mugato: Yeah, I get it. Both you and the article are getting very defensive that homosexuality shouldn't be tied to pedophilia. And they're not and most people don't think that they are. But that doesn't mean that pedophiles can't have a gender preference in their victims. So if you dropped the knee-jerk defensiveness for a second you'd see that.I just can't understand the concept that the attraction pedophiles have to a specific gender in children is completely separate from the concept of an adult sexual orientation, and the ability for a heterosexual male who has pedophilia to be attracted to both adult women, and children who are male. The possibility blows my mind, and it's easier to lump the two groups in together as an oversimplification.

Fixed that for you.
 
2012-08-06 11:32:01 AM  

Mock26: orbister: Mock26: I am always amazed at how many morons continue to think that a guy who molests little boys is automatically a homosexual!

He is automatically a homosexual. The error is in thinking that a homosexal guy will automatically molest little boys.

Not according to psychologists.


Yeah, but it's not that long since psychologists thought homosexuality was a mental disorder. Their diagnostic criteria are (see DSM controversies) largely driven by politics and pharmaceutical companies.

It's the statisticians I'd listen to here. It would be interesting to know whether people convicted of multiple counts of child abuse are more likely to favour one sex or take anything they can. My gut feeling is that those who exploit very young children are probably less likely to care but that those who go after older children are more likely to stick to one sex. In which case there is presumably a crossover age where sex rather than age becomes the dominant factor.

In any case, it seems unlikely to me that those who seek to molest 15 year old Boy Scouts would in general be equally happy with a 15 year old Girl Scout, and vice versa.
 
2012-08-06 11:34:33 AM  

CheekyMonkey: So, after a scout attains the rank of Eagle, what next?

\a transfer to the Catholic priesthood?


Fark needs a FAIL button in addition to Smart and Funny...
 
2012-08-06 11:41:43 AM  

Aussie_As: Many pedos who fiddle with boys have no interest in grown men, even college kids. I'm not aware of any Penn State footballers who have claimed that Sandusky showed any interest in them. So he liked them pre-pubescent, but not as fit, built dudes aged 18-22. Doesn't sound like any gay dude I've ever met.


The oddity in Sandusky's case is that he seems to have liked young boys and grown women, so perhaps we should put him down as bisexual?

There are gay guys who like older men, gay guys who like men of the same age, gay guys who like younger men and gay guys who like very young men or boys. It's a spectrum, and I am not sure that saying "Men who like 18 year old males are gay but men who like 17 year old males are something else" is a worthwhile argument. The notion that all gays are potential child molesters is clearly misguided, but the notion that child molesters can never, by definition, be gay is so incredible that it undermines the counterargument to the save-our-kids-from-the-gays brigade.

In some of his earlier works, Edmund White argued that the gay community should include NAMBLA on the basis that allowing some forms of gay sex to be acceptable and some unacceptable would undermine the whole of gay liberation. It's an argument of it's time; I think the gay community should now have the courage to admit that yes, there are gay child molesters and that no, they are no more acceptable than the straight sort.

Psychologists (and I'm not one) understand pedos to have an incompletely developed sexuality

Fourteen year olds tend, on the whole, to lust after fourteen year olds. Fifteen year olds after fifteen year olds, And so on. I wonder if some gay men freeze their sexual attraction in their mid teens as they begin to comprehend fully how much some sections of society will disapprove of fully matured gay sexual choices.
 
2012-08-06 11:45:51 AM  

Mock26: Out of curiosity, do you think that rapists do it for sexual gratification?


Some undoubtedly do. Some undoubtedly don't.
 
2012-08-06 11:49:47 AM  

Mugato: Yeah, I get it.


I'll let you know when I see a sign of that. For now though, you don't appear to. You still think this is a political thing.
 
2012-08-06 11:50:37 AM  

Fury Pilot: No, male on male sexual contact is a homosexual act, just as male on female sexual contact is a heterosexual act.

Someone engaging in either with a child is a paedophile, not a homosexual or a heterosexual.


What age of child? A seventeen year, eleven month and three week old is a "child" in many places.
 
2012-08-06 11:51:44 AM  

orbister: Yeah, but it's not that long since psychologists


orbister: It's the statisticians I'd listen to here.


Little known fact: the field of Psychology is mostly about Statistics. If you don't like math, this isn't the field for you.
 
2012-08-06 11:52:49 AM  
DNRTT but I'm guessing this is a dissenting view.

It looks to me like they made some mistakes, which had horrifying consequences, but they were making an effort to protect kids from molesters long, long before the public was really conscious of the problem.

I applaud their effort and hope they get better at enforcing it.

///Still don't like their homophobocity but that is separate from this

///Know that's not a word.
 
2012-08-06 11:53:59 AM  

BronyMedic: demonstrates a cognitive inability to differentiate between concepts of benign sexual orientations and pathological paraphilias.


Homosexuality was a pathological paraphilia until DSM-IV. In many parts of the world it still is seen as a a pathological paraphilia.
 
2012-08-06 11:54:44 AM  

Mock26: AbbeySomeone: Counter_Intelligent: Why are they so insistent on handling such affairs in-house?

Religion.

What I have always found ironic is that the vast majority of scouts that I have known over the years, both as a scout and as a scoutmaster, really did not care all that much about the so-called "religious aspects" of scouting. Sure, a lot of them were devoutly religious, but the boy scouts was never about promoting religion to them. It was about all the other activities, such as camping and hiking and merit badges. In my 10+ years in the scouts the only time that god every really came up was in the Pledge of Allegiance, the scout oath, and when at summer camp saying grace before meals. That is it. We never had bible study or prayer sessions. Now, I do understand that some troops are more religious than this, but my experience is that they are in the minority.


Same here.
 
2012-08-06 11:56:15 AM  

BronyMedic: It's been proven that sexual orientation does not have anything to do with the predisposition for child abuse or pedophilia.


Nobody has claimed here that it does. What seems to be upsetting some people is the suggestion that a sexual preference for fourteen year old boys, or seventeen year old boys, should ever be put in the same category as a sexual preference for eighteen year old men, or twenty eight year old men.
 
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