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Greil		2012-08-05 09:48:30 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: clkeagle: Yep. Stupid, stupid liberals. Can't see the big picture.

I agree.
Good that they lost the House in 2010.
It will get better when they lose more of the Senate in 2012.

Maybe then 0bama will release that these cute meaningless gestures are not as important as the US economy.

You quiet down over there, the grown-ups are talking!
*swats tenpounds on the nose with a rolled up magazine

/3/10, but only because I answered it
//even if it is just to call you out as a troll again
///might raise if enough others bite anyway

zerkalo		2012-08-05 09:49:46 PM

BSABSVR: Obama is Chuck Schumer's boss? Can someone point me to the section of the constitution where the president hires and fires senators?

As of this moment, they're on DOUBLE SECRET SOCIALISM!
Greg: Double Secret Socialism, Sir?
Dean Wormer: There is a little-known codicil in the U.S. constitution which gives the Senate unlimited power to preserve order in time of economic emergency.

Altitude5280		2012-08-05 09:51:15 PM

Does this have something to do with the oil the donuts are fried in?

dervish16108		2012-08-05 09:51:28 PM

The writer complains about American liberals, and then goes on to praise Canada, which of course has a high minimum wage, single payer health care, and other socialistic perks.

The moral of the story is praise be to socialism!

tenpoundsofcheese		2012-08-05 09:51:36 PM

Greil: tenpoundsofcheese: clkeagle: Yep. Stupid, stupid liberals. Can't see the big picture.

I agree.
Good that they lost the House in 2010.
It will get better when they lose more of the Senate in 2012.

Maybe then 0bama will release that these cute meaningless gestures are not as important as the US economy.

You quiet down over there, the grown-ups are talking!

This site is not just for people over the age of 18. You shouldn't pretend it is.
Talking? Is there a link to audio files? Where is this talking.

*swats tenpounds on the nose with a rolled up magazine
yet again, the appeal to violence when someone agrees with you? Weird.

Krymson Tyde		2012-08-05 09:52:03 PM

Krispy Kreme, biatches.

bobbette		2012-08-05 09:52:11 PM

IronTom: bobbette: IronTom: farking environmentalist/terrorists/....ists are treehugging the lifeblood out of our country.

What you might not have realized is that there's money in them thar trees - and incredible economic costs to cleaning up the inevitable spills from these pipelines and tankers. With no profit from the pipelines in the areas where the economy and environment is damaged they're a lose-lose proposition.

I love the environment too, but there are already probably hundreds of pipelines in that path area. This is all political, or politics driven by too-powerful rabid environmentalists or whoever they are calling themselves that, imho.

No, you pretty clearly don't know what you're talking about. The Northern Gateway pipeline would require a new route to a new seaport that would be built at Kitimat, and it would overturn the moratorium on tanker traffic in Hecate Strait that has existed for 40 years.

Toaster4k		2012-08-05 09:57:40 PM

Mrtraveler01: mrshowrules: Mrtraveler01: The trouble I see with the third pipeline is that it's routed through Quebec.

With the PQ getting popular again and flirting with another referendum on soverignity, is it smart to plot a pipeline through Quebec?

There will never be another referendum on separation.

I hope you're right. I was reading the Toronto Star one day (I was bored) and they kept pushing the idea that the PQ is flirting with that idea.

That said, I don't know why anyone would support the PQ considering that were responsible for the shape that Quebec was in already. Even with a corrupt Quebec Liberal party.

Seems like lose/lose for Quebec either wway.

Spoken as someone who has no clue about the history of Quebec.

The rise to power from the PQ is a direct consequence of how we (the big french majority) where treated inthe 50-60s. Its more or less relevent now, but still dealing with the after effect. I might not agree with the separatists, but I do know where they are coming from.

That being said, next election, its highly doubtfull we will have a majority governement.

And even if by some sort of miracle, it was a majority PQ gouvernement, no chance of a referendum ever passing now.

Mrtraveler01		2012-08-05 09:59:41 PM

dennysgod		2012-08-05 09:59:53 PM

beta_plus: Liberal butt hurt tears over the unintended consequences of blocking the Keystone Pipeline.

So sweet, so delicious.

You are so naive. Currently the Keystone pipeline stops in the Mid-Mississippi valley to the refineries there so all that Canadian oil goes right into American gas tanks. If that pipeline would make it to the Gulf Cost all the Canadian oil will go on the global market, mostly to China and India and Americans will weep when they have to pay more for gas because the cheep gas they were getting from Canada is sailing away. Blocking that pipeline was the best thing to happen to your pocket book because now Canada has to build a new line to the Pacific coast to sell their oil to China but we still get the Keystone stopping in the middle of the US. It's a win-win

zerkalo		2012-08-05 10:05:07 PM

On the other hand, all that land in Jebus Country will be easier to set fire to when it is soaked in oil

Nightshade50		2012-08-05 10:06:25 PM

Liberal arrogance, just as hilarious as conservative arrogance.

Mrtraveler01		2012-08-05 10:08:30 PM

Nightshade50: Liberal arrogance, just as hilarious as conservative arrogance.

How were liberal arrogant again?

change1211		2012-08-05 10:08:46 PM

Toaster4k: Mrtraveler01: mrshowrules: Mrtraveler01: The trouble I see with the third pipeline is that it's routed through Quebec.

With the PQ getting popular again and flirting with another referendum on soverignity, is it smart to plot a pipeline through Quebec?

There will never be another referendum on separation.

I hope you're right. I was reading the Toronto Star one day (I was bored) and they kept pushing the idea that the PQ is flirting with that idea.

That said, I don't know why anyone would support the PQ considering that were responsible for the shape that Quebec was in already. Even with a corrupt Quebec Liberal party.

Seems like lose/lose for Quebec either wway.

Spoken as someone who has no clue about the history of Quebec.

The rise to power from the PQ is a direct consequence of how we (the big french majority) where treated inthe 50-60s. Its more or less relevent now, but still dealing with the after effect. I might not agree with the separatists, but I do know where they are coming from.

That being said, next election, its highly doubtfull we will have a majority governement.

And even if by some sort of miracle, it was a majority PQ gouvernement, no chance of a referendum ever passing now.

I think it would be pretty hilarious if PQ got in and tried to separate again. It seems like the rest of Canada always gets a good amount of entertainment from Quebec's antics.

Until of course we have to send another 7 billion in 'equalisation' payments because you can't be bothered to build yourself a balanced budget.

dennysgod: beta_plus: Liberal butt hurt tears over the unintended consequences of blocking the Keystone Pipeline.

So sweet, so delicious.

You are so naive. Currently the Keystone pipeline stops in the Mid-Mississippi valley to the refineries there so all that Canadian oil goes right into American gas tanks. If that pipeline would make it to the Gulf Cost all the Canadian oil will go on the global market, mostly to China and India and Americans will weep when they have to pay more for gas because the cheep gas they were getting from Canada is sailing away. Blocking that pipeline was the best thing to happen to your pocket book because now Canada has to build a new line to the Pacific coast to sell their oil to China but we still get the Keystone stopping in the middle of the US. It's a win-win

Meh, you're getting a discount. You shouldn't get one. I hope that we do our best to ensure that Canada gets a fair price for our oil.

Representative of the unwashed masses		2012-08-05 10:10:34 PM

ReluctantPaladin: Actually, who knows if that pipeline is even going to go ahead.

Given:
The environmental assessment still to go through (yeah I know the Cons will put their thumbs on the scales for that one)
The inevitable lawsuits brought by first nations for the pipeline going through their land
The BC govts attempts to find some balls and extort the Alberta govt for increased royalties. (pre-election posturing)
Public support for the pipeline leaking faster than the oil going the Enbridge's other pipelines

it will be awhile before this project gets to the laying pipe (hehe) phase. Probably after the next election, and who is to say what will happen there.

/Agree that we should be getting more royalties
//Tar sands oil is hella dirty
///"Ethical oil" is fictional concept invented by a right wing tard douchebag

Don't pretend the BC government is being 'ethical' they're holding this project hostage for money. It's actually gotten to the point where the pipeline has almost no chance because of all the political BS. And it's not like it's raw bitumen. To go into a pipeline, especially that long, you have to upgrade it to at least normal light crude conditions.

Fun fact the stuff that comes out of Syncrude for example is a very high quality sweet crude after going through their plant.

/The more you know.

Toaster4k		2012-08-05 10:12:55 PM

Mrtraveler01: Toaster4k: Mrtraveler01: mrshowrules: Mrtraveler01: The trouble I see with the third pipeline is that it's routed through Quebec.

With the PQ getting popular again and flirting with another referendum on soverignity, is it smart to plot a pipeline through Quebec?

There will never be another referendum on separation.

I hope you're right. I was reading the Toronto Star one day (I was bored) and they kept pushing the idea that the PQ is flirting with that idea.

That said, I don't know why anyone would support the PQ considering that were responsible for the shape that Quebec was in already. Even with a corrupt Quebec Liberal party.

Seems like lose/lose for Quebec either wway.

Spoken as someone who has no clue about the history of Quebec.

The rise to power from the PQ is a direct consequence of how we (the big french majority) where treated inthe 50-60s. Its more or less relevent now, but still dealing with the after effect. I might not agree with the separatists, but I do know where they are coming from.

That being said, next election, its highly doubtfull we will have a majority governement.

And even if by some sort of miracle, it was a majority PQ gouvernement, no chance of a referendum ever passing now.

I understand that the francophones felt slighted by the Anglophones in power (esp. in Montreal), but the francophones acting like total dicks back to the Anglophones was NOT the right thing to do.

That's comforting to hear.

Wanting separation was more to be masters in our own home. That got more or less accomplished without it. Some stills wants it. Now there is still lots of bad blood between english and french, whatever. Just go to any thread mentionning canada and/or Quebec and you can just feel the love.

Opression made the PQ a necessity back in the days. Now ignorance and hate on both side of the fence just makes it a sucky situation. Mostly ignorance.

But hey, just keep thinking this whole thing happens cuz francophones acted like dicks. Its more simple.

Mrtraveler01		2012-08-05 10:13:22 PM

change1211: Meh, you're getting a discount. You shouldn't get one. I hope that we do our best to ensure that Canada gets a fair price for our oil.

Nothing wrong with that.

I was just tired of the oil lobby trying to tell me how many jobs it was going to create using highly inflated estimates and that this oil would be used in the United States (they always kept out the part of this pipeline being used to export oil outside North America).

I just want the pro-pipeline people to be honest with me for once instead of a bunch of pie-in-the-sky BS.

IronTom		2012-08-05 10:17:21 PM

bobbette: IronTom: bobbette: IronTom: farking environmentalist/terrorists/....ists are treehugging the lifeblood out of our country.

What you might not have realized is that there's money in them thar trees - and incredible economic costs to cleaning up the inevitable spills from these pipelines and tankers. With no profit from the pipelines in the areas where the economy and environment is damaged they're a lose-lose proposition.

I love the environment too, but there are already probably hundreds of pipelines in that path area. This is all political, or politics driven by too-powerful rabid environmentalists or whoever they are calling themselves that, imho.

No, you pretty clearly don't know what you're talking about. The Northern Gateway pipeline would require a new route to a new seaport that would be built at Kitimat, and it would overturn the moratorium on tanker traffic in Hecate Strait that has existed for 40 years.

Are you talking about what would be needed to sell the oil to China?

I was considering the impact of just piping it down to the southern US states, where there would be no seaport action along the way.

powhound		2012-08-05 10:17:49 PM

NeedlesslyCanadian: Methadone Girls: ArkAngel: And Dunkin' Donuts is far superior to Tim Horton's

You take that back!! I've had coffee from Dunkin' Donuts and tossed it in the parking lot. How do you drink coffee from there? Bleh.

Timmies coffee is farking disgusting too. It's practically unthinkable, but McDonalds probably has the best fast-food coffee around.

I concur. Plus, keep the cup for free refills at MOST McDs. One I found charged me the senior rate.

IronTom		2012-08-05 10:18:14 PM

bobbette: No, you pretty clearly don't know what you're talking about.

apparently not what 'you're' talking about.

Mrtraveler01		2012-08-05 10:21:49 PM

Toaster4k: Wanting separation was more to be masters in our own home.

So they were attention whores? Even Alberta doesn't pull that kind of crap like bombing businesses they disagree with (ie: like how FLQ bombed different Anglophone businesses and institutions in the 1960s) even though they biatch about Ontario all the time.

Toaster4k: Now there is still lots of bad blood between English and French, whatever.

I wonder why...

Toaster4k: Opression made the PQ a necessity back in the days. Now ignorance and hate on both side of the fence just makes it a sucky situation. Mostly ignorance.

I agree, both sides acted like dicks. But once the PQ came into power, they started acting like the same kind of dicks that they complained the Anglophones were treating them with a bunch of BS laws like Bill 101.

Maybe Quebec would be better off on it's own so the Anglophones and Francophones can finally fight each other and leave the rest of Canada alone.

/Knows that Canada would still be dragged into Quebec's affairs even if they did declare Independence
//Sorry for the lack of sympathy I have for the PQ

Mrtraveler01		2012-08-05 10:22:30 PM

IronTom: I was considering the impact of just piping it down to the southern US states, where there would be no seaport action along the way.

That was never an option just so you know.

The Life Of Brian		2012-08-05 10:24:48 PM

doctor wu: Those tar sands amount to environmental suicide. What they're doing to that river and that whole area is gonna affect the entire continent in years to come. That kind of water usage is not sustainable. Not that it matters, our culture is diseased. As long as we get our flatscreens we don't care, we deserve the future we're creating.

But is that true any more?

I saw some show on discovery a few months ago where they showed how they were treating and reclaiming the water so their actual water use was minimal now...and they showed how they were reclaiming the land... The whole 1 hr program was about how they were adjusting their processes to be more environmental friendly and not to pollute the river nor affect the availability of the downstream water for use by others/

Was an interesting program but it might have been industry propaganda.

Still, there's no denying they're using a HUGE amount of nat. gas in the operation & releasing tons of CO2..

/CSB - being a Canadian, In gr 5 I did a presentation on the oilsands project... Got an A on it! That was 1980. Most people here in Ontario (or most of Canada) had never heard of it then. My older sister lived in Alberta & gave me the idea.

//gr 6 project was on sharks....My parents had let me watch 'Jaws' that summer! ya it came out in 70's, but I was kinda young then...and in 1981 we got a 'laserdisc' - Dad was renting lots of movies.

Toaster4k		2012-08-05 10:25:07 PM

Mrtraveler01: Toaster4k: Wanting separation was more to be masters in our own home.

So they were attention whores? Even Alberta doesn't pull that kind of crap like bombing businesses they disagree with (ie: like how FLQ bombed different Anglophone businesses and institutions in the 1960s) even though they biatch about Ontario all the time.

Toaster4k: Now there is still lots of bad blood between English and French, whatever.

I wonder why...

Toaster4k: Opression made the PQ a necessity back in the days. Now ignorance and hate on both side of the fence just makes it a sucky situation. Mostly ignorance.

I agree, both sides acted like dicks. But once the PQ came into power, they started acting like the same kind of dicks that they complained the Anglophones were treating them with a bunch of BS laws like Bill 101.

Maybe Quebec would be better off on it's own so the Anglophones and Francophones can finally fight each other and leave the rest of Canada alone.

/Knows that Canada would still be dragged into Quebec's affairs even if they did declare Independence
//Sorry for the lack of sympathy I have for the PQ

Like I said, lots of ignorance. I dont have time to give an history dissertation and dont care enough. You might want to look into it.

Fart_Machine		2012-08-05 10:25:58 PM

There's a reason Keystone was ending at a port city. It was always going to be shipped to China except now they can bypass our Midwestern refineries.

change1211		2012-08-05 10:26:11 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: ReluctantPaladin: Actually, who knows if that pipeline is even going to go ahead.

Given:
The environmental assessment still to go through (yeah I know the Cons will put their thumbs on the scales for that one)
The inevitable lawsuits brought by first nations for the pipeline going through their land
The BC govts attempts to find some balls and extort the Alberta govt for increased royalties. (pre-election posturing)
Public support for the pipeline leaking faster than the oil going the Enbridge's other pipelines

it will be awhile before this project gets to the laying pipe (hehe) phase. Probably after the next election, and who is to say what will happen there.

/Agree that we should be getting more royalties
//Tar sands oil is hella dirty
///"Ethical oil" is fictional concept invented by a right wing tard douchebag

Don't pretend the BC government is being 'ethical' they're holding this project hostage for money. It's actually gotten to the point where the pipeline has almost no chance because of all the political BS. And it's not like it's raw bitumen. To go into a pipeline, especially that long, you have to upgrade it to at least normal light crude conditions.

Fun fact the stuff that comes out of Syncrude for example is a very high quality sweet crude after going through their plant.

/The more you know.

Just because it isn't raw bitumen doesn't mean there aren't significant risks to BC's land and water and I don't think it's unreasonable for the province to be compensated for the risk that it's going to be taking.

The Life Of Brian		2012-08-05 10:28:18 PM

mrshowrules: Mrtraveler01: The trouble I see with the third pipeline is that it's routed through Quebec.

With the PQ getting popular again and flirting with another referendum on soverignity, is it smart to plot a pipeline through Quebec?

There will never be another referendum on separation.

I agree. That turkey is done. Time to eat it and move on.

ModernLuddite		2012-08-05 10:29:55 PM

Athabasca Tar Sands of Alberta, which is rapidly becoming Canada's pot of gold in energy development.

(1) They actually call it the "oil sands". "Tar sands" is a derogative term coined by environmentalists. I'm really, really happy to see that even a conservative rag is picking up the term. "Tar sands" is an apt term.

(2) It's not "becoming" the pot of gold, it is, and has been for rather a while. Well, then it stops, then it starts, then it stops. But it's still a money maker. Sort of. Kind of.

Nightshade50		2012-08-05 10:32:18 PM

Mrtraveler01: Nightshade50: Liberal arrogance, just as hilarious as conservative arrogance.

How were liberal arrogant again?

Because of this: http://www.schumer.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=337355&

Schumer using his influence as chairman of CFIUS by asking the treasury secretary to interfere in another country's dealings with another country is all because they won't consent to reforms on their terms. If that isn't arrogance, then pray tell me what is.

wildcardjack		2012-08-05 10:33:39 PM

Dunkin' Donuts was much better before Bain Capital changed it's business model from fresh donut making shops to slightly stale donut distribution shops.

Representative of the unwashed masses		2012-08-05 10:33:40 PM

change1211: Representative of the unwashed masses: ReluctantPaladin: Actually, who knows if that pipeline is even going to go ahead.

Given:
The environmental assessment still to go through (yeah I know the Cons will put their thumbs on the scales for that one)
The inevitable lawsuits brought by first nations for the pipeline going through their land
The BC govts attempts to find some balls and extort the Alberta govt for increased royalties. (pre-election posturing)
Public support for the pipeline leaking faster than the oil going the Enbridge's other pipelines

it will be awhile before this project gets to the laying pipe (hehe) phase. Probably after the next election, and who is to say what will happen there.

/Agree that we should be getting more royalties
//Tar sands oil is hella dirty
///"Ethical oil" is fictional concept invented by a right wing tard douchebag

Don't pretend the BC government is being 'ethical' they're holding this project hostage for money. It's actually gotten to the point where the pipeline has almost no chance because of all the political BS. And it's not like it's raw bitumen. To go into a pipeline, especially that long, you have to upgrade it to at least normal light crude conditions.

Fun fact the stuff that comes out of Syncrude for example is a very high quality sweet crude after going through their plant.

/The more you know.

Just because it isn't raw bitumen doesn't mean there aren't significant risks to BC's land and water and I don't think it's unreasonable for the province to be compensated for the risk that it's going to be taking.

Then negotiate a yearly fee with a predetermined fine structure with the pipeline company. A royalty grab is just greed, and yes lots of BC folks, Sask folks, etc etc make their living because of the oilsands, whether they go to Ft. McMurray or manufacture goods that are used there. Using your logic perhaps the natural gas produced in the Northeast of BC should have royalties split with Alberta for connecting to the pipeline system in Alberta to go to market?

What people in BC don't understand is that this is a 2 way street, you have to be prepared to give something up if you want some of the benefits. 99% of the cost occurs in Alberta for oilsands projects. Why should BC get 10% for example of the royalties in that case?

Lando Lincoln		2012-08-05 10:34:36 PM

ThatGuyGreg: TL;DR

And, it's adorable that you ferriners think we go to Dunkin' for the donuts.

Some whiny biatch was pouting like a whiny biatch.

Is American Spectator always this full of whiny biatches?

Representative of the unwashed masses		2012-08-05 10:35:29 PM

ModernLuddite: Athabasca Tar Sands of Alberta, which is rapidly becoming Canada's pot of gold in energy development.

(1) They actually call it the "oil sands". "Tar sands" is a derogative term coined by environmentalists. I'm really, really happy to see that even a conservative rag is picking up the term. "Tar sands" is an apt term.

(2) It's not "becoming" the pot of gold, it is, and has been for rather a while. Well, then it stops, then it starts, then it stops. But it's still a money maker. Sort of. Kind of.

Tar denotes something that is useless. Heavy Crude oil is a more accurate description.

Mrtraveler01		2012-08-05 10:37:54 PM

Nightshade50: Mrtraveler01: Nightshade50: Liberal arrogance, just as hilarious as conservative arrogance.

How were liberal arrogant again?

Because of this: http://www.schumer.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=337355&

Schumer using his influence as chairman of CFIUS by asking the treasury secretary to interfere in another country's dealings with another country is all because they won't consent to reforms on their terms. If that isn't arrogance, then pray tell me what is.

Yeah...no....this is why he's really doing this:

As Treasury Secretary, Geithner is also the Chairman of CFIUS, which reviews deals involving the sale of U.S. interests to foreign firms for national security purposes. Even though Nexen Inc. is a Canadian oil company, the companies are expected to seek CFIUS approval because Nexen has significant U.S. drilling operations in the Gulf of Mexico.

So yeah, I can't find any room to be outraged about this.

Lando Lincoln		2012-08-05 10:40:30 PM

ModernLuddite: (1) They actually call it the "oil sands". "Tar sands" is a derogative term coined by environmentalists. I'm really, really happy to see that even a conservative rag is picking up the term. "Tar sands" is an apt term.

Native Americans originally used it to waterproof their boats.

It's tar.

ox45tallboy		2012-08-05 10:40:46 PM

wildcardjack: Dunkin' Donuts was much better before Bain Capital changed it's business model from fresh donut making shops to slightly stale donut distribution shops.

moviecarpet.com

"Bain!"

ox45tallboy		2012-08-05 10:41:59 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Tar denotes something that is useless. Heavy Crude oil is a more accurate description.

Kind of like the "death tax". Or "job creators".

sendtodave		2012-08-05 10:42:08 PM

Mister Peejay: McDonald's coffee tastes like it was brewed in an unwashed ashtray.

I will allow that of the three places, only one of them has bread-bowl soup.

/every Dunkin' Donuts I've seen was a sad dump of a place, with indifferent staff

My first job was a a Dunkin' Donuts, so I'm really not caring very much about your post.

change1211		2012-08-05 10:43:42 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: change1211: Representative of the unwashed masses: ReluctantPaladin: Actually, who knows if that pipeline is even going to go ahead.

Given:
The environmental assessment still to go through (yeah I know the Cons will put their thumbs on the scales for that one)
The inevitable lawsuits brought by first nations for the pipeline going through their land
The BC govts attempts to find some balls and extort the Alberta govt for increased royalties. (pre-election posturing)
Public support for the pipeline leaking faster than the oil going the Enbridge's other pipelines

it will be awhile before this project gets to the laying pipe (hehe) phase. Probably after the next election, and who is to say what will happen there.

/Agree that we should be getting more royalties
//Tar sands oil is hella dirty
///"Ethical oil" is fictional concept invented by a right wing tard douchebag

Don't pretend the BC government is being 'ethical' they're holding this project hostage for money. It's actually gotten to the point where the pipeline has almost no chance because of all the political BS. And it's not like it's raw bitumen. To go into a pipeline, especially that long, you have to upgrade it to at least normal light crude conditions.

Fun fact the stuff that comes out of Syncrude for example is a very high quality sweet crude after going through their plant.

/The more you know.

Just because it isn't raw bitumen doesn't mean there aren't significant risks to BC's land and water and I don't think it's unreasonable for the province to be compensated for the risk that it's going to be taking.

Then negotiate a yearly fee with a predetermined fine structure with the pipeline company. A royalty grab is just greed, and yes lots of BC folks, Sask folks, etc etc make their living because of the oilsands, whether they go to Ft. McMurray or manufacture goods that are used there. Using your logic perhaps the natural gas produced in the Northeast of BC should have royalties split with Albe ...

I'd be happy with a yearly fee and force the pipeline companies to have a couple of spill response teams stationed around the province so if there is a spill the damage can be limited.

ox45tallboy		2012-08-05 10:44:30 PM

Lando Lincoln: Is American Spectator always this full of whiny biatches?

yes.

Dig around their site for a moment, it's about on par with "American Thinker": well-written articles that are based entirely on false premises and are good for nothing except making conservatives feel better about the bad thing the Republican party does.

clambam		2012-08-05 10:45:38 PM

A couple of weeks ago I was on the T in Boston and this black guy was standing in front of me drinking a cup of McDonald's coffee. I couldn't help but notice that he was dressed in the exact same color scheme as the coffee cup: an orange shirt, brown pants and a cream colored jacket. I couldn't help myself; I said "Excuse me, is today National Dress Like Your Cup of Coffee Day?" He looked at me blankly but his girlfriend looked him up and down and crowed "Oh my God, he's right! You're dressed exactly like your cup of coffee! Who notices stuff like that?" The car cleared out a little bit and they wandered away to the the end. I called out "Sorry for embarrassing you!" and he answered hollowly "That's OK."

ModernLuddite		2012-08-05 10:46:36 PM

Lando Lincoln: ModernLuddite: (1) They actually call it the "oil sands". "Tar sands" is a derogative term coined by environmentalists. I'm really, really happy to see that even a conservative rag is picking up the term. "Tar sands" is an apt term.

Native Americans originally used it to waterproof their boats.

It's tar.

It sure as hell isn't "green oil".

Whoever came up with that deserves a dick punching.

LordJiro		2012-08-05 10:47:19 PM

Chimperror2: ThatGuyGreg: TL;DR

And, it's adorable that you ferriners think we go to Dunkin' for the donuts.

Weaver95: Today we are undergoing a similar dance in our economic relation with China. And wouldn't you know, it's our liberal friends in Congress, so enthusiastic about hamstringing American enterprise, who are the last to realize that they are undercutting our political hegemony as well.

Because all those liberal CEOs are the ones shipping jobs overseas to china every chance they get....

No, it's just the liberal politicians and their enviro-whacko watermelon masters. Get rid of those and jobs will stop leaving.

[desmond.imageshack.us image 178x225]Chuckie
[lh4.ggpht.com image 81x85]"The Joker"Schumer

Yes, if only American businesses were allowed to make children (as well as adults) work in unsafe conditions for pathetic pay! Then those heroic Job Creators™ wouldn't be FORCED to send jobs to China!

Representative of the unwashed masses		2012-08-05 10:49:34 PM

ox45tallboy: Representative of the unwashed masses: Tar denotes something that is useless. Heavy Crude oil is a more accurate description.

Kind of like the "death tax". Or "job creators".

I'll leave that to you Americans. I've worked in the Oilsands in various ways for most of the last 10 years. The last 5 on the environmental side. For all the hate directed at Alberta you would be shocked to find out how much regulation, and work goes into protecting the environment from impacts.

It's almost impossible for companies to get access to any additional water from the Athabasca River now. This means accessing groundwater, and there equally strict policies about using potable (fresh) groundwater.

Are there problems? Sure there are. Does this mean that northern Alberta is a toxic wasteland? Far from it. Honestly go see the Ft. McMurray region sometime, there is some pretty awesome scenery up there. While large the mineable areas are a small portion of what is used.

I just get ticked off when people think that operations are done up there while just dumping all their crap with no regard to the future. BECAUSE IT JUST IS NOT TRUE.

change1211		2012-08-05 10:51:50 PM

ModernLuddite: Lando Lincoln: ModernLuddite: (1) They actually call it the "oil sands". "Tar sands" is a derogative term coined by environmentalists. I'm really, really happy to see that even a conservative rag is picking up the term. "Tar sands" is an apt term.

Native Americans originally used it to waterproof their boats.

It's tar.

It sure as hell isn't "green oil".

Whoever came up with that deserves a dick punching.

I've never heard the term 'green oil'

Representative of the unwashed masses		2012-08-05 10:53:26 PM

change1211:
I'd be happy with a yearly fee and force the pipeline companies to have a couple of spill response teams stationed around the province so if there is a spill the damage can be limited.

Funny thing is response, etc is part of the planning. I would be willing to bet money that response and cleanup (timely) is part of the plan for the pipeline.

Greil		2012-08-05 10:54:55 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: ox45tallboy: Representative of the unwashed masses: Tar denotes something that is useless. Heavy Crude oil is a more accurate description.

Kind of like the "death tax". Or "job creators".

I'll leave that to you Americans. I've worked in the Oilsands in various ways for most of the last 10 years. The last 5 on the environmental side. For all the hate directed at Alberta you would be shocked to find out how much regulation, and work goes into protecting the environment from impacts.

It's almost impossible for companies to get access to any additional water from the Athabasca River now. This means accessing groundwater, and there equally strict policies about using potable (fresh) groundwater.

Are there problems? Sure there are. Does this mean that northern Alberta is a toxic wasteland? Far from it. Honestly go see the Ft. McMurray region sometime, there is some pretty awesome scenery up there. While large the mineable areas are a small portion of what is used.

I just get ticked off when people think that operations are done up there while just dumping all their crap with no regard to the future. BECAUSE IT JUST IS NOT TRUE.

Calm down, and do a quick mentality check. Everyone looks at things through the tint of their own culture, and our culture when it comes to the environment vs profit is not very comforting. That's where the fear comes in from the environmentalists. They're worried you will literally turn the place into a toxic waste dump to save on proper handling costs becase that's what most American companies would do.

Lsherm		2012-08-05 10:55:23 PM

Orange-Pippin: Methadone Girls: NeedlesslyCanadian: Methadone Girls: ArkAngel: And Dunkin' Donuts is far superior to Tim Horton's

You take that back!! I've had coffee from Dunkin' Donuts and tossed it in the parking lot. How do you drink coffee from there? Bleh.

Timmies coffee is farking disgusting too. It's practically unthinkable, but McDonalds probably has the best fast-food coffee around.

I keep hearing that, but I can't get over the taste of the old McDonalds coffee. I had enough of that when my kids were little. bleh. Pro-tip: Playland on Sunday mornings is surprisingly empty

The worst coffee EVER was here.

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I took my dad there for coffee after his surgery, as a treat. I was all excited because it had a cool Caribou on the coffee cups and I wanted to treat my Dad :( We are BIG coffee drinkers too and we took one drink and threw it in the trash. It was like drinking acid. Worst. Coffee. EVER.

Caribou Coffee has a pretty extensive network of shops in US airpoorts. And yes, they suck. Actually, I didn't think there were any of them outside of airports, but maybe they've made inroads into hospitals, too. They certainly couldn't stay in business based on their coffee alone, they need a captive market.

The Life Of Brian		2012-08-05 10:55:37 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: ox45tallboy: Representative of the unwashed masses: Tar denotes something that is useless. Heavy Crude oil is a more accurate description.

Kind of like the "death tax". Or "job creators".

I'll leave that to you Americans. I've worked in the Oilsands in various ways for most of the last 10 years. The last 5 on the environmental side. For all the hate directed at Alberta you would be shocked to find out how much regulation, and work goes into protecting the environment from impacts.

It's almost impossible for companies to get access to any additional water from the Athabasca River now. This means accessing groundwater, and there equally strict policies about using potable (fresh) groundwater.

Are there problems? Sure there are. Does this mean that northern Alberta is a toxic wasteland? Far from it. Honestly go see the Ft. McMurray region sometime, there is some pretty awesome scenery up there. While large the mineable areas are a small portion of what is used.

I just get ticked off when people think that operations are done up there while just dumping all their crap with no regard to the future. BECAUSE IT JUST IS NOT TRUE.

my brother-in-law is a boilermaker/pipe fitter..Mostly works in Southern Alberta, but has done some jobs in Ft. McMurray. He says the same thing - really nice scenery... Except in the winter!

ox45tallboy		2012-08-05 10:56:05 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: ox45tallboy: Representative of the unwashed masses: Tar denotes something that is useless. Heavy Crude oil is a more accurate description.

Kind of like the "death tax". Or "job creators".

I'll leave that to you Americans. I've worked in the Oilsands in various ways for most of the last 10 years. The last 5 on the environmental side. For all the hate directed at Alberta you would be shocked to find out how much regulation, and work goes into protecting the environment from impacts.

It's almost impossible for companies to get access to any additional water from the Athabasca River now. This means accessing groundwater, and there equally strict policies about using potable (fresh) groundwater.

Are there problems? Sure there are. Does this mean that northern Alberta is a toxic wasteland? Far from it. Honestly go see the Ft. McMurray region sometime, there is some pretty awesome scenery up there. While large the mineable areas are a small portion of what is used.

I just get ticked off when people think that operations are done up there while just dumping all their crap with no regard to the future. BECAUSE IT JUST IS NOT TRUE.

As much as I love stereotyping Canadians, you guys really do seem to take better care of your environment than we do down here.

Having said that, the main reason I don't want the Keystone pipeline is the exact reason the Canadian government does want it - it will increase the price of Canadian oil. I mean, we Americans are pretty gullible in many ways, but really? Let's build you guys a pipeline right through our country so that you can sell your oil for more money to other countries instead of us! What a great idea!

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