EngineerAU: Brick-House: Dems are going all the way back to the Vietnam War... Wow, the desperation really reeks.

If Mitt is going to go back to the Vietnam era to try to prove he's knows what it's like to be poor ("I had to shower with a hose and use a bucket for a toilet"), then he needs to accept that when others find out that he's spinning his experience into something it wasn't, he's going to get called out on it. Stop claiming to be an average joe and using something from the 60s as proof and you won't get called out.

It's the new strategy of the Fark Independents. Find something about Mitt to brag about, but then get really offended if any follow up questions or observations happen.

For example:

Fark Independents: Vote for Mitt, he was a good governor.

Rest of us: About that, didn't he draw up the blueprint for Obamacare?

Fark Independents: STOP BRINGING UP THINGS MITT DID AS GOVERNOR! HE HAS BUSINESS EXPERIENCE! HE'S A CEO!

Rest of us: About that, didn't his company specialize in outsourcing jobs to China and India?

Fark Independents: STOP HARPING ON WHAT MITT'S COMPANY DID WHILE HE WAS RUNNING IT! HE SAVED THE OLYMPICS!

Rest of us: The same Olympics that were rampant with corruption and the ones where the U.S. uniforms were made in a brutal oppressive dictatorship?

Fark Independents: YOU LIBS WOULD HARP ON SOMETHING AS IRRELAVENT AS THE OLYMPICS WHEN YOU'RE AVOIDING THE REAL ISSUE! WE NEED TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH SO THEY CAN CREATE JOBS!!!

Rest of us: About that, why is Mitt trying to keep his tax records hidden? If his taxes are too high, wouldn't it be good for his campaign? After all, it would be proof he paid too much.

Fark Independents: WHAT MITT DOES OR DOESN'T PAY DOESN'T MATTER, AND THIS IS AN UNPRECEDENTED AND UNFAIR REQUEST!

Rest of us: It's been standard operating procedure for every party's presidential nominee since 1968, started by George Romney.

Fark Independents: FARK LIBS ARE REALLY REACHING. WE DON'T NEED TO SEE MITT'S TAX RECORDS UNTIL 0BAMA RELEASES REAL BIRF CERTIFICT.

Rest of us: Now, that is unprecedented.

Fark Independents: NO, IT'S PROOF THAT 0BAMA IS AN OUT OF TOUCH ELITIST! MITT SPENT A FEW YEARS IN FRANCE AND KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIVE LIKE THE POOR!

Rest of us: Wasn't he in France on a religious deferment to get out of serving in Vietnam?

Fark Independents: Dems are going all the way back to the Vietnam War... Wow, the desperation really reeks.

That pretty much brings us up to speed.

Mugato: I don't know, what President in my lifetime wasn't a draft dodger? There are so many other things to call Romney out on, doing something that almost every other President and Vice President did is kind of low on the list.

The difference is, Romney actually protested for the Vietnam War and the draft, and there are no mitigating circumstances whatsoever. He was young, perfectly healthy, and supported the cause, and instead of joining the military he got four deferments. Clinton wasn't pro-war, Bush served in the military, albeit in the most pussy way possible, Bush 1 served honorably, Reagan was a bit of a coward, but at least he did something to help the war effort, Carter served with some distinction in the Navy. Mitt, on the other hand, went to school and then spent a year in goddamn France, despite vocally supporting the war. He is objectively worse in this respect than every recent President; he behaved more cowardly and with less honor.

Sgt Otter: Bill Clinton and George W. Bush dodged the draft, but neither seemed to been actively supporting the Vietnam War at the time, unlike Mitt Romney. Bill Clinton has at least openly admitted he was a draft-dodger.

Bill Clinton openly opposed the war at the time. I imagine Bush supported it, but I don't have a cite for that.

Cheney supported it, but had "better things to do at the time." Which is what makes him a chickenhawk, just like Romney.

Mitt Romney: tax cheat, draft dodger, tortures animals, bully since gradeschool. Sounds like the perfect candidate for the modern Republican party.

Brick-House: It seems like Libs are allways taking aim at targets they have no chance of hitting.

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I know you're trolling, but the problem is lots of short bus morons believe this shiat. Jane Fonda, fark her, at least had the balls to protest the farking war. Same with Clinton. Many of the guys that fled to Canada... that took balls too. Not the kind of balls it took to jump out of a helicopter into NVA fire though.

My dad was one of the unlucky guys that got to go. It sucked. He still doesn't like to talk about it. It was boring and shiatty most of the time, expect for Tet or when the base was on alert, than shiat got real. He knew Tet was the shiat because they basically threw open the armory and told the guys to take whatever they might need.

Mitt Romney got a deferment to live in luxury in Paris to preach his stupid religion. I know of 58,000 guys that didn't get that deferment and never got to come home at all.

fark Mitt Romney and all the white knights who support his pussy ass.

/Would have went to Vietnam.
//Would have gotten slagged because I'm fat and not very smart, but I would have went.
///Son of the Vietnam vet.

Oh, and one more comment, we've named Presidents and candidates who were vets. Let's not forget George McGovern, who flew B-24s over Europe. Ambrose wrote a book about it. Very few people knew about McGovern's war record because he never talked about it. Not until the late '90s did it come out.
McGovern's extreme anti-war stance was influenced by his service: he'd seen enough death and destruction in his time and stood up for his beliefs about Vietnam.

WaffleStomper: Who could blame him for not going? It was a democrat started and supported "war" and to say otherwise is stupid......and there seems to be a lot of stupid here.

Also supported by Democrats Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Phil Gramm, Dick Cheney, and Mitt "Mittens" Romney, all of whom suddenly didn't feel so badass when their numbers got called and fished for any bullshiat reason to get out.

It's the John Wayne syndrome. During WWII, he was gung ho on screen, but when it came time for him to serve.

1. He didn't want to go because it would hurt his income, even though hundreds of actors, filmmakers, and sports stars signed up and put their own careers on hold out of duty.
2. He felt he was too old and a family man, even though Clark Gable, also a family man, signed up, and he was older than the Duke.
3. Even after John Ford said he would get a cush job in the Special Services, he still wouldn't sign up.

I see why Republicans idolize that guy so much.

Snarfangel: On the one hand, I detest chickenhawks.
On the other hand, Vietnam was a really stupid war.
...

To hell with it, I'm going to have another drink.

Mitt liked and vocally supported the stupidity of it. He just preferred someone else go over there and die for it.

Remember, someone took his place over there, whether they wanted to go or not.

Some didn't come back

Brick-House: Dems are going all the way back to the Vietnam War... Wow, the desperation really reeks.

Do you even remember when the right went to Vietnam (despite Bush finding a way out of the war) when Kerry was running? It was a pretty big deal in 2004. Then in 2008 you of course had McCain, a well known Vietnam war veteran, so Vietnam had relevance. In the 90s the right went after Clinton for being a hippie during the war as well. This might be one of the last elections where the Vietnam War era is relevant to one of the candidates (this time being Romney, who was in France during the war). I would also like to add that the Telegraph is a Tory rag from Britain, not a Democratic American newspaper.

It seems like Libs are allways taking aim at targets they have no chance of hitting.

consider this: Obama didn't serve in Vietnam either.

Kinda hard to fight in a war that ended when you were 14.

People are surprised this pathetic liar lied about living in the poor house for his cult?

The fact this douchebag fell for a swindler like Joseph Smith should expel him from seeking the highest office of the land.

You know what, who cares? That was too long a read just to have my expectations confirmed about something that happened too long ago to matter today. So Mitt was an entitled prick as a youth. We already knew that. So he lied about the hardihood of his stay in France. We already know everything he says is a lie. Hell, the first words out of his mouth when he announced his run were a lie: "I'm Mitt Romney and yes, that is my first name." This story isn't going to sink Romney's boat in the way the tax returns and the IRA can. Keep attention focused on the serious issues. This is at best a side show, at worst a convenient hook for the repubs to hang counterarguments on.

There's nothing like supporting the deaths of thousands from a safe distance.

Rich people tend to not fight in the wars they support, film at 11.

At least Bush gave a shiat about this country.

Romney is not even good at pretending to care.

timujin: Mugato: I don't know, what President in my lifetime wasn't a draft dodger? There are so many other things to call Romney out on, doing something that almost every other President and Vice President did is kind of low on the list.

Obama?

He actually did dodge the draft, by being a child. Damn Barage Youthbama.