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Shouldn't that stag be wrapped in a fiery heart?

Dogberry: Mugato: I don't know, what President in my lifetime wasn't a draft dodger? There are so many other things to call Romney out on, doing something that almost every other President and Vice President did is kind of low on the list.

It's pretty far down on the list for me, but Mitt invites it with his chickenhawk blather.

Exactly, if you're going to draft dodge, DON'T turn around and say OTHER people should go and die for the country that you refuse to...

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USA!USA!USA!

Hey, it's Mitt, Trapp Tragg, Snee, Jorb, Slimm, and Speakeasy enjoying some sport!

On the one hand, I detest chickenhawks.
On the other hand, Vietnam was a really stupid war.
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To hell with it, I'm going to have another drink.

Snarfangel: On the one hand, I detest chickenhawks.
On the other hand, Vietnam was a really stupid war.
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To hell with it, I'm going to have another drink.

Mitt liked and vocally supported the stupidity of it. He just preferred someone else go over there and die for it.

Remember, someone took his place over there, whether they wanted to go or not.

Mitt's old man George voiced his opinion that the American people were being lied to about the Vietnam war, and that, and they say, was that, as far as his career as a Republican politician.

consider this: Obama didn't serve in Vietnam either.

You, my friend, are either the world's dumbest alt or you are the Poe's law. Either way, congratulations.

TheJoe03: I would also like to add that the Telegraph is a Tory rag from Britain, not a Democratic American newspaper.

Britain is teeming with lieberals. Many don't even support Israel! Imagine that.

That's why Mitt did the right thing, and put those unenthusiastic jerks in their place.

Boxcutta: consider this: Obama didn't serve in Vietnam either.

You, my friend, are either the world's dumbest alt or you are the Poe's law. Either way, congratulations.

Dude, it's an alt. the account is barely a month old.

StoneColdAtheist: Red Shirt Blues: Britney Spear's Speculum: consider this: Obama didn't serve in Vietnam either.

Kinda hard to fight in a war that ended when you were 14.

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Wow...that was a shock. Reminds me of my father, who enlisted on his 17th birthday in November of 1944, and who got to the Western Pacific in time for the occupation of Japan.

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My grandmother was dead set against him enlisting, but he and grandpa had a deal going. Grandpa went to town on "an errand" and dad walked away from high school to the Post Office to meet him at the Recruiter's office, where grandpa signed for him. My aunt says the story is grandpa had to sleep on the couch for a week or so, but that grandma eventually came around.

My grandfather and his brother enlisted in WW1. Grandpa survived, but his brother was KIA on 15 Sep 1918, and is buried here.

No 17 year old is mature enough for this kind of decision. Actually, I'd say you'd have to be at least over 25 or so before you are really thinking like an adult.

And what your grandpa did was a terrible betrayal of trust.

trotsky: Brick-House: It seems like Libs are allways taking aim at targets they have no chance of hitting.

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I know you're trolling, but the problem is lots of short bus morons believe this shiat. Jane Fonda, fark her, at least had the balls to protest the farking war. Same with Clinton. Many of the guys that fled to Canada... that took balls too. Not the kind of balls it took to jump out of a helicopter into NVA fire though.

My dad was one of the unlucky guys that got to go. It sucked. He still doesn't like to talk about it. It was boring and shiatty most of the time, expect for Tet or when the base was on alert, than shiat got real. He knew Tet was the shiat because they basically threw open the armory and told the guys to take whatever they might need.

Mitt Romney got a deferment to live in luxury in Paris to preach his stupid religion. I know of 58,000 guys that didn't get that deferment and never got to come home at all.

fark Mitt Romney and all the white knights who support his pussy ass.

/Would have went to Vietnam.
//Would have gotten slagged because I'm fat and not very smart, but I would have went.
///Son of the Vietnam vet.

One of the coolest, kindest, genuine people I've ever met was a Viet vet who became a Buddhist. He didn't dwell on it, but now and then at work idle questions like 'craziest hotel you've ever been to' would prompt an alternatingly hilarious and depressing to the core story. Anyway. However it happened I'm still awed by him. Spent time being the guy at CPS who literally removed kids from awful situations ... stuff that made many others break. And still advocated peace and non-violenc first and foremost ...

My Dad lost good friends, but got a deferment. Single child of poor as hell immigrants who worked his ass off to get a full ride for college. I don't fault him in the slightest...

... especially since he never protested FOR THE DAMN WAR HE GOT TO SKIP.

Plus I shudder to think what would've happened to my grandma otherwise. She married much much older and my grandfather was dead within five years of the war ending. She died in 03 with my dad, brother, and I being her only blood relatives. That we knew of, in America, anyway.

trotsky: Brick-House: It seems like Libs are allways taking aim at targets they have no chance of hitting.

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I know you're trolling, but the problem is lots of short bus morons believe this shiat. Jane Fonda, fark her, at least had the balls to protest the farking war. Same with Clinton. Many of the guys that fled to Canada... that took balls too. Not the kind of balls it took to jump out of a helicopter into NVA fire though.

My dad was one of the unlucky guys that got to go. It sucked. He still doesn't like to talk about it. It was boring and shiatty most of the time, expect for Tet or when the base was on alert, than shiat got real. He knew Tet was the shiat because they basically threw open the armory and told the guys to take whatever they might need.

Mitt Romney got a deferment to live in luxury in Paris to preach his stupid religion. I know of 58,000 guys that didn't get that deferment and never got to come home at all.

fark Mitt Romney and all the white knights who support his pussy ass.

/Would have went to Vietnam.
//Would have gotten slagged because I'm fat and not very smart, but I would have went.
///Son of the Vietnam vet.

Next time you see your dad, tell him I said "Welcome Home".

Mormons have a very high percentage of military service. Many of them do their missions, then do a turn as ROTC or service academy officers. The USAFA has a HUGE number of Mormon cadets. They really are about service to their country.

But not Mitt Romney.

namatad: Mentat: I wish my dad had spent the war in Paris instead of spending the rest of his life suffering from PTSD.

Shudder. I had no idea what it really meant to have PTSD until I live with someone suffering with it. They only lived here for 6 months, but I learned more about PTSD than I thought possible.

Pisses me off to this day to hear that the military is still not treating PTSD as aggressively as they should be. The shiat I have heard personally from friends with loved ones who are struggling to get the help they need.

But Kerry wasnt a patriot????? sigh

Obama made some decent steps in the right direction as to what qualifies as PTSD the government will acknowledge and offer assistance with. That's all I'll say about that.

/ex had PTSD
//Iraq
///no sliding scale psych he called would see him since they "weren't specialized in combat trauma"
////at least his last blind snap rage incident was toward someone who had just hit their girlfriend in front of my ex
//sigh done now

Gyrfalcon: TheJoe03: Brick-House: Dems are going all the way back to the Vietnam War... Wow, the desperation really reeks.

Do you even remember when the right went to Vietnam (despite Bush finding a way out of the war) when Kerry was running? It was a pretty big deal in 2004. Then in 2008 you of course had McCain, a well known Vietnam war veteran, so Vietnam had relevance. In the 90s the right went after Clinton for being a hippie during the war as well. This might be one of the last elections where the Vietnam War era is relevant to one of the candidates (this time being Romney, who was in France during the war). I would also like to add that the Telegraph is a Tory rag from Britain, not a Democratic American newspaper.

I will be so so happy when it's physically impossible for a candidate--any candidate--to have served in or dodged or gotten a deferment from Vietnam. Obama's the leading edge, but pretty soon service in or running from Vietnam will have to be a non-issue because everyone running for office will have been born during or after Vietnam and it won't even matter.

Then it will be did you serve in the Gulf War, did you serve in Somalia, did you serve in Afghanistan, did you serve in Iraq?

The person we will be voting for will be the Commander-in-Chief, it is a legitimate question to ask if they have ever served. And in Romney's case, it is legitimate to ask if you were pro Viet Nam war, why did you not serve?

More_Like_A_Stain: malaktaus: Reagan was a bit of a coward, but at least he did something to help the war effort,

I'll even give Reagan the benefit of the doubt here (and you have no idea how much that hurts me) . It was the Army itself that decided that such a high profile actor as RR would be a better asset on a soundstage than in a foxhole. No doubt there may have been some lobbying of one sort or another, but ultimately it was the Army's decision.

BeerLion: Oh yeah Kerry, remember the Repub's making fun of his purple hearts at the convention?

Has anyone ever identified and rightfully shamed that first cow? I am assuming, of course, that she has any shame to begin with, which is a mighty big assumption.

Mugato: I don't know, what President in my lifetime wasn't a draft dodger? There are so many other things to call Romney out on, doing something that almost every other President and Vice President did is kind of low on the list.

Perhaps, but dodging the draft and then protesting in favor of the war is kind of next-level douchiness.

Who could blame him for not going? It was a democrat started and supported "war" and to say otherwise is stupid......and there seems to be a lot of stupid here.

Oh, and it took the balls of a couple of republican presidents to get us out.

ComicBookGuy: No 17 year old is mature enough for this kind of decision. Actually, I'd say you'd have to be at least over 25 or so before you are really thinking like an adult.

Times were different then. The average person entered the workforce at 16 after the 8th grade, and once you did you were considered an adult.

And what your grandpa did was a terrible betrayal of trust.

In what sense? My father wanted very much to join the war effort and in that day and age no one was going to say no.

WaffleStomper: Who could blame him for not going? It was a democrat started and supported "war" and to say otherwise is stupid......and there seems to be a lot of stupid here.

Also supported by Democrats Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Phil Gramm, Dick Cheney, and Mitt "Mittens" Romney, all of whom suddenly didn't feel so badass when their numbers got called and fished for any bullshiat reason to get out.

It's the John Wayne syndrome. During WWII, he was gung ho on screen, but when it came time for him to serve.

1. He didn't want to go because it would hurt his income, even though hundreds of actors, filmmakers, and sports stars signed up and put their own careers on hold out of duty.
2. He felt he was too old and a family man, even though Clark Gable, also a family man, signed up, and he was older than the Duke.
3. Even after John Ford said he would get a cush job in the Special Services, he still wouldn't sign up.

I see why Republicans idolize that guy so much.

StoneColdAtheist: ComicBookGuy: No 17 year old is mature enough for this kind of decision. Actually, I'd say you'd have to be at least over 25 or so before you are really thinking like an adult.

Times were different then. The average person entered the workforce at 16 after the 8th grade, and once you did you were considered an adult.

The average person got left back 2 years? Explains a lot of the older teabaggers, but it just doesn't seem right.

WaffleStomper: Who could blame him for not going? It was a democrat started and supported "war" and to say otherwise is stupid......and there seems to be a lot of stupid here.

To be fair your posts nearly doubled the stupid.

for good or for awesome: WaffleStomper: Who could blame him for not going? It was a democrat started and supported "war" and to say otherwise is stupid......and there seems to be a lot of stupid here.

To be fair your posts nearly doubled the stupid.

You sound....oh, I don't know...concerned. Yeah, that's it....concerned.

WaffleStomper: Oh, and it took the balls of a couple of republican presidents to get us out.

You must have some big balls yourself to showcase your incredible ignorance on Fark.

stoli n coke: StoneColdAtheist: ComicBookGuy: No 17 year old is mature enough for this kind of decision. Actually, I'd say you'd have to be at least over 25 or so before you are really thinking like an adult.

Times were different then. The average person entered the workforce at 16 after the 8th grade, and once you did you were considered an adult.

The average person got left back 2 years? Explains a lot of the older teabaggers, but it just doesn't seem right.

I was citing round numbers, but they're pretty close. (Link)

Back then many kids didn't start school until they were 6 or 7 years old, although my father started at 5, and was a senior when he enlisted at 17. As a rural farm boy, he did way better than average for the time.

Mitt was in France training for his attempt to set the record time for running through the Louvre. As a true patriot he wanted to make sure the record was held by an American. He had to crap in a bucket and sell New York Herald Tribunes on the street just to stay alive. So you can all stop taking pot shots at a TRUE American hero.

one small post for man: Mitt was in France training for his attempt to set the record time for running through the Louvre. As a true patriot he wanted to make sure the record was held by an American. He had to crap in a bucket and sell New York Herald Tribunes on the street just to stay alive. So you can all stop taking pot shots at a TRUE American hero.

Even when he was "living poor," Mitt still had a pot to piss in.

So Romney is lying about something. It must mean it's a day ending with 'y'.

Has there ever been a candidate for President from either major party that has been even close to being as big a liar as Romney?

So...this mean that Barry Soetoro...er Barack Obama....was the one in SE Asia during the Vietnam War. and not Romney? I mean, he was living in Indonesia at the time with his mom and stepfather, and was an Indonesian citizen....

Wonder how the White Guilt Liberals will spin this one

DancingElkCondor: So...this mean that Barry Soetoro...er Barack Obama....was the one in SE Asia during the Vietnam War. and not Romney? I mean, he was living in Indonesia at the time with his mom and stepfather, and was an Indonesian citizen....

Wonder how the White Guilt Liberals will spin this one

No need to spin stupid comments, they take care of themselves.

Did Obama personally deliver Mitt into the hands of the Viet Cong?

You don't know how Mitt Romney suffered - what you are forgetting is the Paris is full of French people.

The horror....the horror...

StoneColdAtheist:

And what your grandpa did was a terrible betrayal of trust.

In what sense? My father wanted very much to join the war effort and in that day and age no one was going to say no.

A betrayal to your grandma.