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2012-08-05 07:45:07 PM

Ambivalence: Vodka Zombie: How much longer does America have to wait before we classify Christianity as a hate group?

"christianity" is not a hate group anymore than "American" is a hate group. It's not even a singular group but a classification of SEVERAL groups, very few of them who would classify as "hate groups".



True,

Conservative Christianity is the hate group.
 
2012-08-05 07:48:40 PM

indylaw: Snatch Bandergrip: This bigotry is being carried out in the name of Christianity. If this is not how most Christians feel, then it is their obligation to both God and their fellow man to denounce it.

fark off with that horseshiat.


Any Christian who doesn't believe in this bigotry, and fails to denounce it when it's done in their name, is essentially endorsing it.
 
2012-08-05 07:52:54 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Vodka Zombie: How much longer does America have to wait before we classify Christianity as a hate group?

Southern Baptist and several other sects, yes, but not all of Christianity.


and not even all southern baptist churches

if the westboro baptist church can call itself christian, you can kind of see there's not much of a vetting process going on there
 
2012-08-05 07:54:34 PM

technicolor-misfit: Ambivalence: Vodka Zombie: How much longer does America have to wait before we classify Christianity as a hate group?

"christianity" is not a hate group anymore than "American" is a hate group. It's not even a singular group but a classification of SEVERAL groups, very few of them who would classify as "hate groups".
True,
Conservative Christianity is the hate group.



Not to sound to picky but, I think this is an important distinction. There are groups that would identify themselves as "Conservative Christians" (Beachy Mennonites, hutterites, Nationwide Mennonites, Amish, etc.) who may identify themselves as "Conservative Christians" but not in the Political sense. Members of those groups may distinctly call themselves "conservative" only because other splinter groups are more "liberal" in a cultural sense (womens head coverings, etc.). They are also far from hate groups.

I would just call people like the representative in the article Bachmann-Christians ;)
 
2012-08-05 07:55:09 PM
Calling for the assasination of Mississippi state Rep. Andy Gipson would be a crime, a crime i will not commit.

but if someone were to do so and i was called for jury duty, i would deliberately present myself as the ideal faux news watching moran juror and once selected i would make sure he walked.
 
2012-08-05 07:55:22 PM
Isn't a lawmaker saying some other law is higher than the one he swore an oath to treason? I'm pretty sure that's treason.
 
2012-08-05 07:57:32 PM

Antimatter: GhostFish: And atheism doesn't have anything to do with evidence and reason, although most atheists like to conflate them.

yes it does. Atheism is an argument form the null hypothesis. If someone can't prove somethings existence, then it's logical to assume it doesn't.


Atheism isn't an argument. It's a lack/rejection of belief in deities. You don't need to take a specific path or follow any specific logic in order to be an atheist. It's possible to come to that state lots of ways.
 
2012-08-05 07:59:58 PM
Can we just skip to the part where the left and the right start bashing each others skulls in to feast on the gooey candy inside? I mean seriously were almost there and this dancing around crap is pissing me off and the wait is infuriating. We need to start the mass exterminations and find out who comes out on top. Were either going to fix Texas or I pack the family up and become refugees sucking the glorious tit of Canada.

Why wait? Lets get this show on the road.
 
2012-08-05 08:01:09 PM

Lanadapter: A book that advocates killing gays and is ok with slavery is propbably not a good book.


Just sayin'


We already knows Atlas Shrugged is a terrible book, thanks.
 
2012-08-05 08:02:49 PM

The Name: Martian_Astronomer: I'd say it's not so much "rejecting the resurrection" as "rejecting the theological views of the guy who enumerated the basics of Christian theology in the first place." Without the writings of Paul, there isn't much of a concept of the meaning of the crucifixion/resurrection to talk about. Not to mention the fact that the gospels were written at least 20 years after Paul wrote, and were almost certainly influenced by his theology, so it isn't correct to treat them is being antecedent.

Now, between pseudographical writings and translation related weirdness, there is certainly room for debate about what Paul actually thought about stuff. However the best possible case you can make regarding homosexuality is that "Paul wasn't familiar with the concept of monogamous faithful homosexual relationships," not "Paul totally would have been okay with gays if he actually knew better."

Yup. I'm as pro-gay rights as anybody, but trotting out Hippie Jesus as a rationale for Christian promotion of gay rights betrays a serious lack of understanding of the way Christians think about the Bible. The same goes for those who bring up multiple-thread clothing and shellfish to make Christians out to be hypocrites.

Not that there aren't PLENTY of legitimate reasons to call Christians hypocrites --just that the people most critical of them tend to choose rather stupid examples.



Yes... Divorce is a much better reason to call them out as hypocrites. Jesus himself said that anyone who remarried was an adulterer.

And Pharisees came up and in order to test him asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" He answered them, "What did Moses command you?" They said, "Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of divorce and to send her away." And Jesus said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."
And in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. And he said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her, and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."

(Mark 10:2-12 ESV)


But, very very few (even those who've never been divorced) will agree that we should outlaw divorce, much less undo them and legally restore people to their Biblically-true first spouses.

In fact, you can rarely get them to respond at all.... because they can't say no, and they won't say yes.

So, these people will happily hold non-Christians to a government-mandated standard of Christianity that they won't hold Christians to.

That's how you know it's about bigotry and not just misguided, overzealous Christianity.

Gays are simply a conveniently safe target.
 
2012-08-05 08:09:02 PM
And this is why objective people see no difference between Muslim/Jewish/Christian extremists.
 
2012-08-05 08:09:21 PM
technicolor-misfit:
Yes... Divorce is a much better reason to call them out as hypocrites. Jesus himself said that anyone who remarried was an adulterer.
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Nailed it.
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2012-08-05 08:11:11 PM
Um, doesn't calling for the death of people count as one of those times where the first amendment doesn't protect you?
 
2012-08-05 08:16:04 PM

bigbadideasinaction: Um, doesn't calling for the death of people count as one of those times where the first amendment doesn't protect you?


Only if you're little people.
 
2012-08-05 08:18:21 PM
What's the deal with rightwing nutjobs with Eddie Munster haircuts? Paul Ryan and now this twerp.
 
2012-08-05 08:24:56 PM

Orange-Pippin: technicolor-misfit:
Yes... Divorce is a much better reason to call them out as hypocrites. Jesus himself said that anyone who remarried was an adulterer.
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Nailed it.
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"TWO divorces???...pfft! Amateur!"
 
2012-08-05 08:46:38 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Orange-Pippin: technicolor-misfit:
Yes... Divorce is a much better reason to call them out as hypocrites. Jesus himself said that anyone who remarried was an adulterer.
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Nailed it.
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"TWO divorces???...pfft! Amateur!"


What that vile fark doesn't just invest in whores is beyond me. There's no emotional component that human mistake needs to fill, so just go with whores, it's cheaper.
 
2012-08-05 08:47:19 PM
The GOP can't denounce this stance. The seal has been breached. To deny this wingnut's statement is to piss off their base. The GOP has nowhere to run now.
 
2012-08-05 08:53:39 PM

Kuroshin: The GOP can't denounce this stance. The seal has been breached. To deny this wingnut's statement is to piss off their base. The GOP has nowhere to run now.



They didn't even denounce the GOP-connected folk helping Uganda pass a homosexual execution bill. This is small potatoes in comparison.
 
2012-08-05 08:59:20 PM

Phil Moskowitz: Lionel Mandrake: Orange-Pippin: technicolor-misfit:
Yes... Divorce is a much better reason to call them out as hypocrites. Jesus himself said that anyone who remarried was an adulterer.
..

Nailed it.
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"TWO divorces???...pfft! Amateur!"

What that vile fark doesn't just invest in whores is beyond me. There's no emotional component that human mistake needs to fill, so just go with whores, it's cheaper.


Seriously...the bible even says that having house-whores is OK! You just have to call them "concubines"
 
2012-08-05 08:59:31 PM
Pffft. It's just an idiot conservative. He doesn't hold any offic-

In Mississippi, GOP state Rep. Andy Gipson posted a message on his Facebook page which calls for putting gays and lesbians to death

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2012-08-05 08:59:45 PM

Weaver95: also - every elected official should be forced to take a class on the internets. once you post something, its out there forever. you can't get it back, it won't go away....it will exist until the end of life on this planet.


Why? It means we'd never see things like this:

To be clear, I want the world to know that I do not, cannot, and will not apologize for the inspired truth of God's Word. It is one thing that will never "change." Anyone who knows me knows I also believe that all people are created in God's image, and that all people are loved by God,

We will never be able to learn who believes his god loves everyone, but he hates them and has no problem at all juggling that cognitive dissonance and doublethink.
 
2012-08-05 09:00:46 PM

tomWright: Have these folks lobbyist stop by. Maybe the cognitive dissonance with make his head assplode.
Or he'll get another type of message

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/Too bad the PP seem to be defunct nationally, dunno about local groups
//have no patience with farkwits like this douche-bag


California had open carry until the Black Panthers started open carrying. The gun-grabbing California liberal governor who put a stop to that was Ronald Reagan.
 
2012-08-05 09:03:44 PM

Phil Moskowitz: Lionel Mandrake: Orange-Pippin: technicolor-misfit:
Yes... Divorce is a much better reason to call them out as hypocrites. Jesus himself said that anyone who remarried was an adulterer.
..

Nailed it.
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"TWO divorces???...pfft! Amateur!"

What that vile fark doesn't just invest in whores is beyond me. There's no emotional component that human mistake needs to fill, so just go with whores, it's cheaper.




Hahaha..... You think the wives are for sex.

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2012-08-05 09:05:24 PM
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Is a...

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2012-08-05 09:06:01 PM

Bloody William: I'm serious. If you're a believer, then be a farking believer and accept the consequences. Maybe you'll get shot in the face by a gay man you didn't know was armed. Maybe you'll be arrested. Maybe you'll be executed. But you won't be a disingenuous pussy flinging shiat without backing it up anymore.

/I hope it's the first one.


Siiiiigh...

I know the guy's called for murdering people, but when we see someone make violent statements, our reaction should not be to call for their demise. We should rather point and laugh, and hope that his mind will be changed. If it looks like he might change some minds of his own, we might need to get the national guard out there, but we should not desire any man's death. That's not a Christian thing to do.

/I'm not saying that you ever claimed to be a Christian.
 
2012-08-05 09:25:06 PM

andrewagill: Bloody William: I'm serious. If you're a believer, then be a farking believer and accept the consequences. Maybe you'll get shot in the face by a gay man you didn't know was armed. Maybe you'll be arrested. Maybe you'll be executed. But you won't be a disingenuous pussy flinging shiat without backing it up anymore.

/I hope it's the first one.

Siiiiigh...

I know the guy's called for murdering people, but when we see someone make violent statements, our reaction should not be to call for their demise. We should rather point and laugh, and hope that his mind will be changed. If it looks like he might change some minds of his own, we might need to get the national guard out there, but we should not desire any man's death. That's not a Christian thing to do.

/I'm not saying that you ever claimed to be a Christian.


Why? Why do WE always have to be the polite, tolerant ones hoping somehow this douchebag's better nature will shine through someday?

F*ck that shiat. He's evil, he should die, and I hope it's sooner rather than later.
 
2012-08-05 09:25:48 PM

andrewagill: Siiiiigh...

I know the guy's called for murdering people, but when we see someone make violent statements, our reaction should not be to call for their demise. We should rather point and laugh, and hope that his mind will be changed. If it looks like he might change some minds of his own, we might need to get the national guard out there, but we should not desire any man's death. That's not a Christian thing to do.

/I'm not saying that you ever claimed to be a Christian.


I don't desire his death. I desire his outing as an utter hypocrite, and I want the hateful shiat he spreads to be revealed as the flimsy dried leaves of desperation when traditions fall to advancement and progress. If he truly believes, then he should put up, but he doesn't. He doesn't believe that gays are abominations unto god as described in the passages he sites. He's just grossed out by them, and he wants to justify being grossed out with religious ideas that cannot be held consistently without risk to himself. I don't want him dead. I want him shamed.
 
2012-08-05 09:30:02 PM
No need to murder homosexuals, we can simply castrate them all. That way, they can't reproduce to make more homosexuals, and so will eventually just die out.

What do you mean, 'they already can't reproduce'? Nonsense, they'd have died out by now.
 
2012-08-05 09:31:53 PM

GhostFish: And atheism doesn't have anything to do with evidence and reason, although most atheists like to conflate them.


If atheism isn't based on evidence and reason then it is just another profession of faith.
 
2012-08-05 09:40:01 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: GhostFish: And atheism doesn't have anything to do with evidence and reason, although most atheists like to conflate them.

If atheism isn't based on evidence and reason then it is just another profession of faith.


Atheism is based on absence of evidence. As in no evidence whatsoever that any god exists.
 
2012-08-05 09:41:22 PM

exatron: indylaw: Snatch Bandergrip: This bigotry is being carried out in the name of Christianity. If this is not how most Christians feel, then it is their obligation to both God and their fellow man to denounce it.

fark off with that horseshiat.

Any Christian who doesn't believe in this bigotry, and fails to denounce it when it's done in their name, is essentially endorsing it.


Yeah, that's what the other guy said.
 
2012-08-05 09:42:20 PM

farkityfarker: Monkeyhouse Zendo: GhostFish: And atheism doesn't have anything to do with evidence and reason, although most atheists like to conflate them.

If atheism isn't based on evidence and reason then it is just another profession of faith.

Atheism is based on absence of evidence. As in no evidence whatsoever that any god exists.


Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Also: absence of evidence isn't PROOF of anything.

If you are 100% sure there is no god, then you're operating on faith. Because so far, god hasn't been conclusively disproven.
 
2012-08-05 09:42:24 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: GhostFish: And atheism doesn't have anything to do with evidence and reason, although most atheists like to conflate them.

If atheism isn't based on evidence and reason then it is just another profession of faith.


That's the angle those morons are going for. I'm not sure what the engame of that argument is, as it doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
 
2012-08-05 09:47:05 PM
fark your Bible. fark your god. This is the last gasp of a heartless group of bigots who want to fight the social winds of change. This is not a Christian country. We do not force people to conform to a certain lifestyle or religion. We do not judge people based on sex, race, religion and sexual orientation. We are supposed to allow all Americans to live in peace.
Your kind is dying out. The majority of Americans is not going to tolerate your hate and bigotry.
 
2012-08-05 09:47:27 PM

Funbags: No need to murder homosexuals, we can simply castrate them all. That way, they can't reproduce to make more homosexuals, and so will eventually just die out.

What do you mean, 'they already can't reproduce'? Nonsense, they'd have died out by now.


Gay babies come from straight parents. Don't tell him this or he's gonna castrate all of us.
 
2012-08-05 09:48:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Also: absence of evidence isn't PROOF of anything.


That's where reason comes in. In the absence of evidence no positive statement can be made which supports the default position which is negative. If you accept the existence of one deity in the absence of evidence then you must also accept unicorns and Cthulhu as well as a host of other mythological entities.

If you are 100% sure there is no god, then you're operating on faith. Because so far, god hasn't been conclusively disproven.

Again, the default position is that it does not exist unless there is evidence that it does. While I am open to the possibility that a deity exists, there is no evidence that one does. I'm also open to the existence of Cthulhu, Thor, unicorns, faeries in my garden and wedgewood teapots orbiting the Earth.
 
2012-08-05 09:49:45 PM

Ed Grubermann: That's the angle those morons are going for. I'm not sure what the engame of that argument is, as it doesn't make a bit of sense to me.


I don't think they've thought it through. If they had it certainly seems to be an odd point to make.
 
2012-08-05 09:50:08 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: SphericalTime: Just a quick query, if you're a Christian that wants to condemn homosexuality as a sin but don't want to be bothered with that whole "stone the gays to death" part, please explain to me where Paul upholds the sexual standards except for those deadly punishments.

Bonus credit: If you're one of those Christians that says that Jesus superseded all those old OT restrictions, you follow the word of Jesus, kindly point out to me where he commented on homosexuality and what his stance was.



what you will get is this:

Matthew 19:4-6

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."


Now of course there is no reference to homosexuality, but this is the one the christians will run too when Leviticus is thrown in their face.
Of course most of the people using this are divorced, or soon to be, or having an affair, but that is ok because at least they divorced a person of th eopposite sex or are having an affair with someone of the opposite sex.... usually.
:-)
 
2012-08-05 09:51:10 PM

Gyrfalcon: If you are 100% sure there is no god, then you're operating on faith. Because so far, god hasn't been conclusively disproven.


The basic problem is that there is no evidence whatsoever to support the existence of any supernatural entity, to hell with the particular god you worship.

What makes God different from any of the other tens of thousands of deities mankind has worshiped in our history? When you were first told about Zeus, Odin, Ra, Raven, etc... you were told they were mere myths and you accept them as mere figments of human imagination. When you were first told about God, you were told that He is real and you believed it.
 
2012-08-05 09:54:13 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Gyrfalcon: Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Also: absence of evidence isn't PROOF of anything.

That's where reason comes in. In the absence of evidence no positive statement can be made which supports the default position which is negative. If you accept the existence of one deity in the absence of evidence then you must also accept unicorns and Cthulhu as well as a host of other mythological entities.

If you are 100% sure there is no god, then you're operating on faith. Because so far, god hasn't been conclusively disproven.

Again, the default position is that it does not exist unless there is evidence that it does. While I am open to the possibility that a deity exists, there is no evidence that one does. I'm also open to the existence of Cthulhu, Thor, unicorns, faeries in my garden and wedgewood teapots orbiting the Earth.


Better check your logic board. According to that statement, subatomic particles don't exist.
 
2012-08-05 09:58:03 PM

Gyrfalcon: Better check your logic board. According to that statement, subatomic particles don't exist.


I have a degree in physics and have performed experiments sufficient to convince me that subatomic particles exist. Evidence for them is indirect but compelling.
 
2012-08-05 09:59:43 PM

Bungles: Kuroshin: The GOP can't denounce this stance. The seal has been breached. To deny this wingnut's statement is to piss off their base. The GOP has nowhere to run now.


They didn't even denounce the GOP-connected folk helping Uganda pass a homosexual execution bill. This is small potatoes in comparison.


Uganda is half a world away. This is right here in the US. This is much larger potatoes, politically speaking.
 
2012-08-05 09:59:50 PM
Religion is pretty sweet.
 
2012-08-05 10:03:14 PM

Gyrfalcon: farkityfarker: Monkeyhouse Zendo: GhostFish: And atheism doesn't have anything to do with evidence and reason, although most atheists like to conflate them.

If atheism isn't based on evidence and reason then it is just another profession of faith.

Atheism is based on absence of evidence. As in no evidence whatsoever that any god exists.

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Also: absence of evidence isn't PROOF of anything.

If you are 100% sure there is no god, then you're operating on faith. Because so far, god hasn't been conclusively disproven.


There is precisely zero evidence to support the existence of a "God".

There's not even any evidence to suggest any "God"-type entity might have ever existed.

"God" is an imagining of Humans. Much like Faeries or Unicorns. Until there is a single piece of evidence, it's safe to assume there is no God of any kind.
 
2012-08-05 10:11:41 PM
I'm not gay but I'd fark him just to shame and spite him. And who knows....maybe we'd both get off.
 
2012-08-05 10:14:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Also: absence of evidence isn't PROOF of anything.

If you are 100% sure there is no god, then you're operating on faith. Because so far, god hasn't been conclusively disproven.


That's why the only positions that make sense are agnostic - you can't claim certainty, regardless of if you're a theist or an atheist. Agnostic atheism should be the default position; you can't claim certainty because there's no proof, but there's precisely zero evidence for, so it doesn't make sense to believe.

But I wouldn't call it faith (although some take a step further and then it's possible). Would you say you have FAITH that Zeus doesn't exist? Or Thor maybe? Or just an absence of feeling about them? Because that's EXACTLY how atheists feel about god.
 
2012-08-05 10:14:45 PM
Stay classy, Assholes.
 
2012-08-05 10:18:51 PM
Classholes?
 
2012-08-05 10:26:21 PM
According to Leviticus 20:13, "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

--- snip ---

"To be clear, I want the world to know that I do not, cannot, and will not apologize for the inspired truth of God's Word. It is one thing that will never "change."

So, how much you want to bet this douchecanoe had shrimp cocktail for lunch?
 
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