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(Microsoft)   Bad news, everyone: Microsoft is eliminating token ring support from Server 2012   (technet.microsoft.com) divider line 60
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2012-08-05 03:09:22 PM  
Tokens can be redeemed for prizes.
 
2012-08-05 03:59:30 PM  
Frodo is inconsolable.
 
2012-08-05 04:16:20 PM  
ozguru.mu.nu
 
2012-08-05 04:38:27 PM  
What about cock ring support?
 
2012-08-05 05:05:56 PM  
That takes me back.

Gimme 4 LAMS for a CAU I'd say.

\with an onion on my belt
 
2012-08-05 05:12:21 PM  
Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
 
2012-08-05 05:13:30 PM  
Well they kind of had to otherwise the olympics would send in a swat team for unautorized use of "rings" and "2012"
 
2012-08-05 05:14:03 PM  
Walker: What about cock ring support?

rest assured that we will always support cock rings :D
 
2012-08-05 05:14:51 PM  
Lanadapter: Well they kind of had to otherwise the olympics would send in a swat team for unautorized use of "rings" and "2012"

They tried but Apple put an injunction on the SWAT truck because it was a black rectangle.
 
2012-08-05 05:25:30 PM  
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
2012-08-05 05:29:12 PM  
What a recently laid off Microsoft Tech Support Geed might look like.

aroomofourown.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-05 05:30:17 PM  
lolol red ring still widely available on xbox360s though lolol :P
 
2012-08-05 05:36:41 PM  
I still have a NIC with a BNC connector.

/Getting a kick, etc.
 
2012-08-05 05:45:32 PM  
I was in a token ring, until someone farked up the rotation.

/puff, puff, give. 2 puffs, not 3.
 
2012-08-05 05:53:26 PM  
Will that flood the market with used 93 ohm coax?
 
2012-08-05 05:54:33 PM  
I do not think this article means what you think this article means. Token and claims based integration have something to do with ADFS authentication.

I think. I don't do Windows AD stuff.
 
2012-08-05 05:58:58 PM  

erewhon: I do not think this article means what you think this article means. Token and claims based integration have something to do with ADFS authentication.

I think. I don't do Windows AD stuff.


From TFA under Networking Support: "Support for Token Rings has been removed."
 
2012-08-05 05:59:41 PM  
I'm interested in upgrading my 28.8 kilobaud internet connection to a 1.5 megabit fiber optic T1 line. Will you be able to provide an IP router that's compatible with my token ring ethernet LAN configuration?
 
2012-08-05 06:05:01 PM  
The high school still had 16Mbps Token Ring when I graduated in 2000. I hear that they have since upgraded to Ethernet, but I don't know how recently that happened. I hate to think about how much it cost them to outfit the newer computers with those cards, which if I recall could've been upwards of $200 for a PCI card.

I do miss the hermaphroditic connectors and the clicks the adapters and the ring concentrators made when you connected to the network.
 
2012-08-05 06:08:57 PM  

dukeblue219: erewhon: I do not think this article means what you think this article means. Token and claims based integration have something to do with ADFS authentication.

I think. I don't do Windows AD stuff.

From TFA under Networking Support: "Support for Token Rings has been removed."


Well. Skipped right over it.

I would have thought the OS was transport method agnostic...isn't that all handled at the driver level?
 
2012-08-05 06:21:30 PM  

FaygoMaster: The high school still had 16Mbps Token Ring when I graduated in 2000. I hear that they have since upgraded to Ethernet, but I don't know how recently that happened. I hate to think about how much it cost them to outfit the newer computers with those cards, which if I recall could've been upwards of $200 for a PCI card.


The easiest way is to stick a cheap router each place you have a glut of Ethernet machines.

Barring that, ISA slots are still available in PCs even now, and would have allowed them to continue using their antique network cards.
 
2012-08-05 06:34:31 PM  

FaygoMaster: The high school still had 16Mbps Token Ring when I graduated in 2000. I hear that they have since upgraded to Ethernet, but I don't know how recently that happened. I hate to think about how much it cost them to outfit the newer computers with those cards, which if I recall could've been upwards of $200 for a PCI card.


I noticed with some interest that the board room I was in a few weeks ago in a large corporation still had Type 1 IBM Cabling with IBM data connectors.

/which I last used in 1990
 
2012-08-05 06:40:05 PM  

NormallyTechnos: FaygoMaster: The high school still had 16Mbps Token Ring when I graduated in 2000. I hear that they have since upgraded to Ethernet, but I don't know how recently that happened. I hate to think about how much it cost them to outfit the newer computers with those cards, which if I recall could've been upwards of $200 for a PCI card.

The easiest way is to stick a cheap router each place you have a glut of Ethernet machines.

Barring that, ISA slots are still available in PCs even now, and would have allowed them to continue using their antique network cards.


I recall there being one instance where they did precisely that. When they wired the building in the early '90s, the existing business lab machines, using 10Base-2 COAX, were connected to the new network with a dedicated machine running NetWare to do the routing. Of course this was all IPX back then...
 
2012-08-05 07:19:18 PM  
I'm curious if they'll keep support for DEC FDDI and CDDI cards.


FaygoMaster: I hate to think about how much it cost them to outfit the newer computers with those cards, which if I recall could've been upwards of $200 for a PCI card.


Shouldn't have been that bad. IBM made PCI Token Ring cards for not much more than Fast-E cards from companies such as 3Com, DEC and Intel.
 
2012-08-05 07:24:30 PM  
I'll stick with banyan vines.
 
2012-08-05 07:37:14 PM  
My favorite reference, in a 2010 film review by Gram Ponante [NSFW]:

"Just like "Betamax Biatches," "C|_|m on My DeLorean," and "Ginger Lynn's Token Ring Ethernet S3x Party," "P0rnstar Tweet" seeks to capitalize p0rntastically on an ephemeral trend. Does it succeed?"

Jokes on him, of course. Token Ring was more than ephemeral.
 
2012-08-05 07:49:12 PM  

BumpInTheNight: lolol red ring still widely available on xbox360s though lolol :P


That's kinda lame man. They packed up and replaced almost all the RROD systems, free. As opposed to Sony, who tells you to suck it and buy another system. And has more eggregious security ruptures.
 
2012-08-05 08:05:04 PM  

kroonermanblack: BumpInTheNight: lolol red ring still widely available on xbox360s though lolol :P

That's kinda lame man. They packed up and replaced almost all the RROD systems, free. As opposed to Sony, who tells you to suck it and buy another system. And has more eggregious security ruptures.


And RROD are mostly old news now that the GPU and CPU are on the same die. One giant heatsink+fan instead of 500 smaller ones
 
2012-08-05 08:06:05 PM  

erewhon: dukeblue219: erewhon: I do not think this article means what you think this article means. Token and claims based integration have something to do with ADFS authentication.

I think. I don't do Windows AD stuff.

From TFA under Networking Support: "Support for Token Rings has been removed."

Well. Skipped right over it.

I would have thought the OS was transport method agnostic...isn't that all handled at the driver level?


Still requires some support in the OS. MS removed IP over IEEE 1394 (RFC 2734 and RFC 3146 for IPv4 and v6, respectively) in Windows Vista/Server 2008, despite the XP drivers supporting it.
 
2012-08-05 08:11:29 PM  
I took out the campus network my first day on the job as a student worker when I was told to move a computer from one station to another, but told nothing about what to do during/after disconnecting the token ring network connection. They spent hours trying to figure out what happened...
 
2012-08-05 08:21:48 PM  

fusillade762: I'm interested in upgrading my 28.8 kilobaud internet connection to a 1.5 megabit fiber optic T1 line. Will you be able to provide an IP router that's compatible with my token ring ethernet LAN configuration?


Can I have some money now?

deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com

/Hot as an old Simpsons episode
 
2012-08-05 08:23:10 PM  
The fark they are!
 
2012-08-05 08:37:36 PM  

Brick-House: What a recently laid off Microsoft Tech Support Geed might look like.


How do you typo "geed"? The D and K keys are nowhere near each other.
 
2012-08-05 08:45:40 PM  

theorellior: Brick-House: What a recently laid off Microsoft Tech Support Geed might look like.

How do you typo "geed"? The D and K keys are nowhere near each other.



Press the left middle-finger instead of the right one?
 
2012-08-05 09:01:03 PM  

Dinjiin: I'm curious if they'll keep support for DEC FDDI and CDDI cards.


FaygoMaster: I hate to think about how much it cost them to outfit the newer computers with those cards, which if I recall could've been upwards of $200 for a PCI card.

Shouldn't have been that bad. IBM made PCI Token Ring cards for not much more than Fast-E cards from companies such as 3Com, DEC and Intel.


Almost all my home machines had CDDI cards (those that were ethernet only ran through a 3Com Lanplex to do translational bridging) for a while. Tweak NFS to use big packets to take advantage of FDDI's 4096 MTU and you could move data in an awful hurry.
 
2012-08-05 09:18:34 PM  
Do my Lantastic cards still have working drivers?
 
2012-08-05 09:24:21 PM  
Wow...

My last Token Ring was for a System 36 at a science museum. Not an exhibit, it was the finance system. We replaced it with an AS/400 in '99. But I remember the shrill cries when unplugging a terminal would take out the entire network.
 
2012-08-05 09:40:41 PM  
dladd2.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-05 09:52:56 PM  

Shadyman: kroonermanblack: BumpInTheNight: lolol red ring still widely available on xbox360s though lolol :P

That's kinda lame man. They packed up and replaced almost all the RROD systems, free. As opposed to Sony, who tells you to suck it and buy another system. And has more eggregious security ruptures.

And RROD are mostly old news now that the GPU and CPU are on the same die. One giant heatsink+fan instead of 500 smaller ones


RROD was dramatically reduced with the Falcon revision in September 2007. The power supply being 175W instead of 203W was a clue it wouldn't be running as hot. (Of course newer ones are even better.) I routinely copy the game disc onto the hard drive to eliminate constant DVD drive noise and this reduces heat too. I never had a problem in over 4 years.
 
2012-08-05 09:58:01 PM  

kroonermanblack: BumpInTheNight: lolol red ring still widely available on xbox360s though lolol :P

That's kinda lame man. They packed up and replaced almost all the RROD systems, free. As opposed to Sony, who tells you to suck it and buy another system. And has more eggregious security ruptures.


hence my lolol bracketing, but all good.
 
2012-08-05 10:10:52 PM  
"The Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications (SUA) is deprecated. If you use the SUA POSIX subsystem with this release, use Hyper-V to virtualize the server. If you use the tools provided by SUA, switch to Cygwin's POSIX emulation, or use either mingw-w64 (available from Sourceforge.net) or MinGW (available from MinGW.org) for doing a native port."

Dammit, no. I loved SUA. Best kept secret of Windows. It's wonderful for C programming. Not everything (a Linux build, in this case) has to be virtualized... it doesn't make sense to do so in some cases. I loved being able to work Windows with UNIX command line.

Cygwin sucks and so does mingw.
 
2012-08-05 10:26:07 PM  

Irving Maimway: Do my Lantastic cards still have working drivers?


It has been ages since I heard that term. I used that at my office and it worked well. Since I was fresh out of high school and was working for dirt cheap, I had lots of time to tweak Lantastic. It was very capable.

That's when I learned that networking was more fun for me than working with servers. As soon as you restore the network, people no longer want to kill you. If you lose a file or can't restore a backup, they never forget.
 
2012-08-05 10:35:56 PM  

FaygoMaster: The high school still had 16Mbps Token Ring when I graduated in 2000. I hear that they have since upgraded to Ethernet, but I don't know how recently that happened. I hate to think about how much it cost them to outfit the newer computers with those cards, which if I recall could've been upwards of $200 for a PCI card.

I do miss the hermaphroditic connectors and the clicks the adapters and the ring concentrators made when you connected to the network.


My high school was the same way, Token Ring running Netware IPX on Windows 95.

/Graduated in 2000
//Played Doom and Duke3D deathmatches in computer class
 
2012-08-05 10:41:27 PM  

wagnerism: Irving Maimway: Do my Lantastic cards still have working drivers?

It has been ages since I heard that term. I used that at my office and it worked well. Since I was fresh out of high school and was working for dirt cheap, I had lots of time to tweak Lantastic. It was very capable.

That's when I learned that networking was more fun for me than working with servers. As soon as you restore the network, people no longer want to kill you. If you lose a file or can't restore a backup, they never forget.


You don't work on firewalls do you? We want to crucify our network guys all the time.
 
2012-08-05 10:42:40 PM  

MagicBus: Press the left middle-finger instead of the right one?


Oh, touch typing. Right.

/5-finger hunt-and-peck modified for speed!
 
2012-08-05 10:59:17 PM  

Nem Wan: RROD was dramatically reduced with the Falcon revision in September 2007. The power supply being 175W instead of 203W was a clue it wouldn't be running as hot. (Of course newer ones are even better.) I routinely copy the game disc onto the hard drive to eliminate constant DVD drive noise and this reduces heat too. I never had a problem in over 4 years.



I had 2 RROD 360s in 4 years with those old white Xboxes. Ive had the newer (Elite?) model without removable hard drive since last Christmas, and it started to give me the scratched disc error on a good condition disc a few weeks ago. It wouldnt immediately let me copy the game to my HD either, it kept erroring out at a certain percentage each time. I tried randomly later after I had almost given up and did get it to copy to my HD on the third time. I hypothesized that the minute scratches I added giving it the soft cloth/ISO treatment a few times helped the lens read it or something.

Im quite envious... Getting off without a single problem over the years is pretty sweet. I just hope my console lasts until the 720 comes out. And beyond that, I hope the initial product run isnt a massive wave of shoddy product prone to hardware failure like they pulled with the 360.
 
2012-08-05 11:46:38 PM  

Marine1: "The Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications (SUA) is deprecated. If you use the SUA POSIX subsystem with this release, use Hyper-V to virtualize the server. If you use the tools provided by SUA, switch to Cygwin's POSIX emulation, or use either mingw-w64 (available from Sourceforge.net) or MinGW (available from MinGW.org) for doing a native port."

Dammit, no. I loved SUA. Best kept secret of Windows. It's wonderful for C programming. Not everything (a Linux build, in this case) has to be virtualized... it doesn't make sense to do so in some cases. I loved being able to work Windows with UNIX command line.

Cygwin sucks and so does mingw.


Try using cygwin inside an XP VM on a laptop running Vista (couldn't downgrade) with only 1 GB of RAM. farking worst semester ever

/farking C programming
 
2012-08-05 11:49:36 PM  

DarthBart: Almost all my home machines had CDDI cards (those that were ethernet only ran through a 3Com Lanplex to do translational bridging) for a while. Tweak NFS to use big packets to take advantage of FDDI's 4096 MTU and you could move data in an awful hurry.


The 4K frame size was always why I considered CDDI slightly superior to 100Base-TX. In retrospect, I'm surprised the IEEE working groups didn't include jumbo frames into the Fast-E standard as a way to better integrate with Token Ring and FDDI/CDDI networks. By the time jumbo packets came along with Gig-E, that boat had already sailed.
 
2012-08-06 12:08:12 AM  
Somehow, I don't miss pinning twin-ax cable.
Nor the S38 console "keyboard"...ugh.

/OFF the lawn!!
 
2012-08-06 12:30:42 AM  

gingerjet: FaygoMaster: The high school still had 16Mbps Token Ring when I graduated in 2000. I hear that they have since upgraded to Ethernet, but I don't know how recently that happened. I hate to think about how much it cost them to outfit the newer computers with those cards, which if I recall could've been upwards of $200 for a PCI card.

I noticed with some interest that the board room I was in a few weeks ago in a large corporation still had Type 1 IBM Cabling with IBM data connectors.

/which I last used in 1990


They probably use the same accountants we do. "Installed cabling is an asset that's depreciated over 25 years. Make it work." Annoyingly, you can in fact run 100 Mbit and PoE over Type 1.
 
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