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2012-08-06 05:07:57 AM
Well, I'm a gay, female atheist who enjoys studying the natural sciences (particularly palaeontology), so you're damn right I'd rather hire a dead jellyfish than a social conservative. That's not intolerance, that's basic self-preservation. :P
 
2012-08-06 06:02:16 AM
Sounds like Fark Article Submission.

If you are a brain-dead liberal, who is as witty as Roseanne Barr coughing up a hairball, you get greenlit. But, if you are conservative....you can be Shakespeare, Wilde, and Noel Coward all in one...and...nothing

Yes, the real bigots are Liberals.
 
2012-08-06 06:39:29 AM
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"Help. I'm being oppressed."
 
2012-08-06 06:40:28 AM
The Washington Times is a daily broadsheet newspaper published in Washington, D.C., the capital of the United States. It was founded in 1982 by Unification Church (cult) founder Sun Myung Moon, and until 2010 was owned by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate associated with the church.

The political views of The Washington Times are often described as conservative.[48][49][50] The Washington Post reported: "the Times was established by Moon to combat communism and be a conservative alternative to what he perceived as the liberal bias of The Washington Post."[5]

Conservative-turned-liberal writer David Brock, who worked for the Times' sister publication Insight on the News, said in his 2002 book Blinded by the Right that the news writers at the Times were encouraged and rewarded for giving news stories a conservative slant. In his 2004 book The Republican Noise Machine, Brock wrote "the Washington Times was governed by a calculatedly unfair political bias" and that its journalistic ethics were "close to nil."[55]

In a 2008 essay published in Harper's Magazine, historian Thomas Frank linked the Times to the modern American conservative movement, saying:

There is even a daily newspaper-the Washington Times-published strictly for the movement's benefit, a propaganda sheet whose distortions are so obvious and so alien that it puts one in mind of those official party organs one encounters when traveling in authoritarian countries.
 
2012-08-06 07:11:56 AM
If a man shall lie down and talk to a personality psychologist, it is an abomination in the face of the LORD. That man shall go to the temple and atone with five measures of grain, and he shall kick five homeless Negroes in the teeth. And a catamite shall be burned in thanksgiving.

And the tithe of the job creator shall be reduced, for this is pleasing in the sight of the LORD.
 
2012-08-06 07:17:55 AM
It is not possible to be a moderate for very long unless you can admit that both sides think. If you cannot do this, it will inevitably push you much further in the direction you favored anyway.

What we're seeing here is essentially the radicalization of an entire field of study.
 
2012-08-06 07:21:30 AM
gerrymander: We do ourselves a great disfavor to doubly burden people of any group trying to break from cultural expectations. One would have thought this to be an obvious attitude to have after the civil rights movement. Oh, well.

The problem is that the idea of a culture "burdening" people goes against the popular notion of cultural relativism, which has often been used as a crucial factor in tipping popular opinion toward a perception of greater equality for any given group. To encourage people to break away from cultural expectations is to imply that a culture can be "wrong," and the list of cultures it is OK to imply that about is exceedingly limited.
 
2012-08-06 07:23:45 AM
I don't see a problem. They should probably be blacklisted as well.
 
2012-08-06 07:54:53 AM
Wait, I thought liberals all stayed home to live off the welfare that conservatives pay for. Have I been mislead?
 
2012-08-06 08:05:33 AM
RolandGunner: thurstonxhowell: RolandGunner: thurstonxhowell: If I can tell what your ideology is from a scientific paper, that piece of shiat belongs in a trash heap.


That would be a big trash heap.

Only because idiots like you define going from data to conclusion instead of the other way around as liberal.



Confirmation bias. You have it.


Yeah I've seen you do the conservative spin in science threads. I think thurstonxhowell is pretty much right about people like you.
 
2012-08-06 08:31:59 AM
Meliorist: A common trait among those on the left (as evidenced by many of the comments in this thread) is that they are so smart and moral that anyone who disagrees with them is by definition stupid and/or a bad person. Yet they believe that they are the open minded ones.

We sane people look at the Republicans as they strive for bigotry, malice, and dishonesty in all things. and are repulsed.
 
2012-08-06 08:33:02 AM
DancingElkCondor: Sounds like Fark Article Submission.

If you are a brain-dead liberal, who is as witty as Roseanne Barr coughing up a hairball, you get greenlit. But, if you are conservative....you can be Shakespeare, Wilde, and Noel Coward all in one...and...nothing

Yes, the real bigots are Liberals.


Not too sure about Shakespeare but I like how you picked a man who was jailed for being gay and a One Nation Tory who fought fascists as your intellectual icons...

What's the problem? Can't think of any great conservative intellectuals?


/ayn rand
/pj o'rourke?
//errr...
 
2012-08-06 08:34:00 AM
Halli: Yeah I've seen you do the conservative spin in science threads. I think thurstonxhowell is pretty much right about people like you.

Well, people need to hear both sides. Science and Conservative Science.
 
2012-08-06 08:35:50 AM
HotWingConspiracy: I don't see a problem. They should probably be blacklisted as well.

At this point we should start calling this Cartman Syndrome: being a jerk, then crying victim, than going back to being a jerk. It's something conservatives do very well since they can't do anything constructive.
 
2012-08-06 08:38:54 AM
It's fun to watch the Fark liberal elitists squirm.
 
2012-08-06 08:44:45 AM
I thought the idea was to have psychologists who aren't openly any ideology.

Save that political shiat for Fark and off-hours.

Mr. Inbar and Mr. Lammers, he says, should have examined the extent of bias against liberal-leaning papers and grant proposals. If the degree of bias against liberals and conservatives is similar, maybe the data on discrimination against conservatives would not be so alarming after all.

Bingo.
 
2012-08-06 08:49:59 AM
Liberals are drawn to academia. Conservatives are drawn to work in the real world.
 
2012-08-06 08:51:56 AM
Gulper Eel: I thought the idea was to have psychologists who aren't openly any ideology.

The problem is that this isn't completely possible: the limitations of human perspective don't allow for it. Some degree of pretending neutrality is possible, but while you can dial things back you can't turn them off.

I've occasionally wondered if some sort of matchmaking service for psychologists with clients might work out well: something to steer people who need to feel validated (or, conversely, who want to be challenged) toward people who will be inclined to provide that particular match.
 
2012-08-06 09:01:09 AM
badhatharry: Liberals are drawn to academia. Conservatives are drawn to work in the real world.

How can conservatives work in the real world when they don't even live in it
 
2012-08-06 09:08:21 AM
 
2012-08-06 09:09:33 AM
CPennypacker: How can conservatives work in the real world when they don't even live in it

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2012-08-06 09:18:55 AM
gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?
 
2012-08-06 09:20:40 AM
brianbankerus: If someone brings up how conservative they are to me in an interview, they are waaaay too conservative to work with me. I've got a cousin, step-dad and brother-in-law that make holidays effing miserable by repeating conservative radio talking points. I couldn't work with someone like that. I'd start to question my sanity as much as theirs.

Plus, the definition of conservative and liberal tend to be relative. Perhaps what the Wash TImes classifies as liberal is a run-of-the-mill moderate?
 
2012-08-06 09:35:15 AM
I like how the article manages to call conservatives a "minority," thus continuing the nonsensical "liberals are the real racists!" meme.
 
2012-08-06 09:42:57 AM
But I thought conservatives were for discrimination so they shouldn't have a problem with this.

That and carnies.
 
2012-08-06 09:44:57 AM
Monkeyhouse Zendo: gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?


Evolution is not a law. It is a very good theory. Questioning the theory of evolution is not on par with questioning the law of gravity. You are not very good at science. At this rate with so much pressure to accept evolution without question, we will never completely understand evolution.
 
2012-08-06 09:46:06 AM
Gee another conservative whine. Yeah they don't whine enough on hate radio and the fox nut house. We need more conservative crybabies in this world.
 
2012-08-06 09:48:04 AM
badhatharry: Monkeyhouse Zendo: gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?

Evolution is not a law. It is a very good theory. Questioning the theory of evolution is not on par with questioning the law of gravity. You are not very good at science. At this rate with so much pressure to accept evolution without question, we will never completely understand evolution.


You suck at science. The law of gravity and the theory of gravitation are different. One tells us what happens and the other tells us why. Go back to school.
 
2012-08-06 09:52:08 AM
badhatharry: Monkeyhouse Zendo: gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?

Evolution is not a law. It is a very good theory. Questioning the theory of evolution is not on par with questioning the law of gravity. You are not very good at science. At this rate with so much pressure to accept evolution without question, we will never completely understand evolution.


Evolution is fact. Every facet of its history and every mechanism is not fully understood, but evolution itself is well established and accepted.
 
2012-08-06 09:52:39 AM
Mija: meow said the dog: Intelligent people who enjoy science do not wish to hire individuals who support the anti-scientific cause. Wow this is such the surprising thing!

There are many scientists who are Christians but you go on pretending otherwise.


How non-sequitor.
 
2012-08-06 09:54:14 AM
brianbankerus: Jesus crackers, man, you know how I know you're OLD? There hasn't been a single fast food place to say "do you want fries with that" since value meals were introduced 30 years ago. You remember 30 years ago, right? When you were also old?

Most will just ask if you'd like to make it a combo, or "would you like fries and a drink with that?"

Don't generally do fast food, but if I do it's a sandwich only. And they always want to try to force/trick/convince you to get a full "value" meal.
 
2012-08-06 09:54:38 AM
CPennypacker: badhatharry: Monkeyhouse Zendo: gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?

Evolution is not a law. It is a very good theory. Questioning the theory of evolution is not on par with questioning the law of gravity. You are not very good at science. At this rate with so much pressure to accept evolution without question, we will never completely understand evolution.

You suck at science. The law of gravity and the theory of gravitation are different. One tells us what happens and the other tells us why. Go back to school.


We know that gravity exists. We know that natural selection exists. However, we do not know for sure that evolution by way of natural selection exists. I know that is hard to believe after years of indoctrination.
 
2012-08-06 09:59:58 AM
badhatharry: CPennypacker: badhatharry: Monkeyhouse Zendo: gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?

Evolution is not a law. It is a very good theory. Questioning the theory of evolution is not on par with questioning the law of gravity. You are not very good at science. At this rate with so much pressure to accept evolution without question, we will never completely understand evolution.

You suck at science. The law of gravity and the theory of gravitation are different. One tells us what happens and the other tells us why. Go back to school.

We know that gravity exists. We know that natural selection exists. However, we do not know for sure that evolution by way of natural selection exists. I know that is hard to believe after years of indoctrination.


We know that gravity exists. We don't know for sure what causes it. Same thing with evolution. I know it is hard to understand after years of willfull ignorance.
 
2012-08-06 10:07:56 AM
badhatharry: CPennypacker: badhatharry: Monkeyhouse Zendo: gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?

Evolution is not a law. It is a very good theory. Questioning the theory of evolution is not on par with questioning the law of gravity. You are not very good at science. At this rate with so much pressure to accept evolution without question, we will never completely understand evolution.

You suck at science. The law of gravity and the theory of gravitation are different. One tells us what happens and the other tells us why. Go back to school.

We know that gravity exists. We know that natural selection exists. However, we do not know for sure that evolution by way of natural selection exists. I know that is hard to believe after years of indoctrination.


Hair splitting's not going to get you out of this ... All "facts" that have a basis in empirical evidence are theories ..
Science "knows" nothing that isn't internally logical.
 
2012-08-06 10:13:19 AM
God-is-a-Taco: I can see a headline already.

Affirmative Action: Do conservatives deserve it more than blacks?



No, I'd bet the conservative professors aren't asking for quotas.
 
2012-08-06 10:17:01 AM
So, they "discriminate" against stupidity? That's not discrimination, that's just qualification screening.
 
2012-08-06 10:17:57 AM
Lorelle: How terrible those liberals are. They should be more like the nondiscriminatory people who run Bob Jones University and Liberty University, where open-minded liberal educators are welcomed with open arms.

But Bible!
 
2012-08-06 10:30:17 AM
Lots of butthurt in this thread.
 
2012-08-06 10:44:58 AM
It's very simple. Most "conservatives" are assholes. People don't like to be around assholes, and will choose people whose company they enjoy. If that means the arrogant ex-jock that is a misogynist jerk doesn't get a job, great. I'm ok with it.
 
2012-08-06 10:49:56 AM
Proteios1: The irony is that most conservative faculty, which includes myself, are in STEM areas and universities with STEM programs. And guess which area is the only one being promoted right now for job creation and to advance the sciences and engineering???
Hint, it's not humanities or women's studies majors...wait for it....it's the stem programs which most conservative faculty migrate towards. So enjoy those student loans with the liberal studies degree. Make sure you can say, do you want fries with that you 'enlightened' fools.


Conservatives don't make bad engineers but I've yet to meet a social conservative who I'd consider even a moderately competent scientist.

Also, your derision of liberal studies is poorly considered. The study of history, philosophy, art and literature promotes critical thinking.
 
2012-08-06 10:54:31 AM
asked the nearly 1,000 academics and students in the room to raise their hands if they were liberals. Nearly 80 percent of the hands went up. When he asked whether there were any conservatives in the house, just three hands - 0.3 percent - went up.

This is "a statistically impossible lack of diversity," Mr. Haidt said.


And the only possible explanation as to why a group of academics leans liberal is bias. There is no other possibility.

It's not every day that left-leaning academics admit that they would discriminate against a minority....surveyed a roughly representative sample of academics and scholars in social psychology and found that "In decisions ranging from paper reviews to hiring, many social and personality psychologists admit that they would discriminate against openly conservative colleagues."

I for one agree that a "roughly representative sample" of "social and personality psychologists" represents all left-leaning academics. That is why I enjoyed the headline:

Survey shocker: Liberal profs admit they'd discriminate against conservatives in hiring, advancement
'Impossible lack of diversity' reflects ideological intimidation on campus
 
2012-08-06 10:57:30 AM
Monkeyhouse Zendo: Proteios1: The irony is that most conservative faculty, which includes myself, are in STEM areas and universities with STEM programs. And guess which area is the only one being promoted right now for job creation and to advance the sciences and engineering???
Hint, it's not humanities or women's studies majors...wait for it....it's the stem programs which most conservative faculty migrate towards. So enjoy those student loans with the liberal studies degree. Make sure you can say, do you want fries with that you 'enlightened' fools.

Conservatives don't make bad engineers but I've yet to meet a social conservative who I'd consider even a moderately competent scientist.

Also, your derision of liberal studies is poorly considered. The study of history, philosophy, art and literature promotes critical thinking.


Pshaw. The Founding Fathers never studied history, philosophy, or literature.
 
2012-08-06 10:57:58 AM
badhatharry: Monkeyhouse Zendo: gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?

Evolution is not a law. It is a very good theory. Questioning the theory of evolution is not on par with questioning the law of gravity. You are not very good at science. At this rate with so much pressure to accept evolution without question, we will never completely understand evolution.


I've got a degree in physics so I'd say I'm moderately competent at science.

Universal gravitation is a theory just as evolution through natural selection is a theory. Both accurately describe observation and are upheld repeatedly by evidence and experiment. In actuality, the underlying principles of evolution through natural selection are better understood that those of gravity, especially with the recent inclusion of dark matter and energy.
 
2012-08-06 11:13:55 AM
badhatharry: Liberals are drawn to academia. Conservatives are drawn to work in the real world.

Awwww, bless your heart. Can I get a pecan waffle with grits and a side of hash browns, scattered, smothered, and topped?
 
2012-08-06 11:19:40 AM
Halli: Yeah I've seen you do the conservative spin in science threads. I think thurstonxhowell is pretty much right about people like you.


Confirmation bias. You have it.
 
2012-08-06 11:20:10 AM
Monkeyhouse Zendo: gerrymander: Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

At this point, rejecting evolution through natural selection is pretty much on a par with rejecting gravity. Would you hire someone who believed that the law of universal gravitation was "just a theory"?


If that belief had no relevance to the job requirements? Sure. People believe all kinds of wacky crap, and the authority of hiring employees does not extend to becoming freelance thought police.

But I can think of two examples where a stated preference about the law of universal gravitation would matter. A person who didn't believe in it should probably be disqualified from engineering any NASA launches. Conversely, a person who did believe in it should probably be disqualified from becoming managing editor for the 'Hollow Earth' newsletter.
 
2012-08-06 11:26:27 AM
It's ok because I discriminate against minorities, women, and liberals :)
 
2012-08-06 11:29:00 AM
Proteios1: The irony is that most conservative faculty, which includes myself, are in STEM areas and universities with STEM programs. And guess which area is the only one being promoted right now for job creation and to advance the sciences and engineering???
Hint, it's not humanities or women's studies majors...wait for it....it's the stem programs which most conservative faculty migrate towards. So enjoy those student loans with the liberal studies degree. Make sure you can say, do you want fries with that you 'enlightened' fools.


I think I found Arthur Butz' Fark handle....
 
2012-08-06 11:29:03 AM
gerrymander: If that belief had no relevance to the job requirements? Sure. People believe all kinds of wacky crap, and the authority of hiring employees does not extend to becoming freelance thought police.

But I can think of two examples where a stated preference about the law of universal gravitation would matter. A person who didn't believe in it should probably be disqualified from engineering any NASA launches. Conversely, a person who did believe in it should probably be disqualified from becoming managing editor for the 'Hollow Earth' newsletter.


You keep using the word "believe" as if it were a matter of faith. I don't believe in universal gravitation or evolution through natural selection, I have evidence that they are accurate descriptions of reality. I'd mark your hypothetical candidate as "displays poor critical thinking skills" in a big red pen and move on.
 
2012-08-06 11:31:05 AM
gerrymander: People believe all kinds of wacky crap, and the authority of hiring employees does not extend to becoming freelance thought police.

It does if it's directly related to the job in question. Do you think NASA should hire people who believe the Earth is flat or the center of the solar system?
 
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