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(Washington Times)   "In decisions ranging from paper reviews to hiring, many social and personality psychologists admit that they would discriminate against openly conservative colleagues"   (washingtontimes.com ) divider line 230
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2012-08-05 04:45:35 PM  
well, conservatives have spent the last 30ish years attacking science and scientists. they mock college educations and attack the very colleges themselves. Why is it shocking then that college employees who consider themselves scientists would be skeptical of a self-professed political conservative?
 
2012-08-05 05:00:29 PM  
Intelligent people who enjoy science do not wish to hire individuals who support the anti-scientific cause. Wow this is such the surprising thing!
 
2012-08-05 05:02:02 PM  
Working well with others is a requirement of just about every job.
 
2012-08-05 05:07:52 PM  
Any time you choose one person over other people, you are discriminating.

Discriminate: to note or observe a difference; distinguish accurately: to discriminate between things.

And it's always about a "class of behaviors," such as "getting lots of grants" or "being really articulate" or, indeed, "working well with others."

Anyway, the number of true conservatives who show up to teach in the California university system is really really low.
 
2012-08-05 05:15:04 PM  
tlchwi02: well, conservatives have spent the last 30ish years attacking science and scientists. they mock college educations and attack the very colleges themselves. Why is it shocking then that college employees who consider themselves scientists would be skeptical of a self-professed political conservative?

Black people have spent the last 30ish years mocking those who would get an education and the schools themselves. Why would any school hire a black person?
 
2012-08-05 05:15:49 PM  
ArkAngel: Black people have spent the last 30ish years mocking those who would get an education and the schools themselves.

LAUGHTER OL! WUT?
 
2012-08-05 05:19:05 PM  
How terrible those liberals are. They should be more like the nondiscriminatory people who run Bob Jones University and Liberty University, where open-minded liberal educators are welcomed with open arms.
 
2012-08-05 05:26:49 PM  
ArkAngel: Black people have spent the last 30ish years mocking those who would get an education and the schools themselves. Why would any school hire a black person?

can i buy some pot from you?
 
2012-08-05 05:32:08 PM  
Psychologists Yoel Inbar and Joris Lammers, based at Tilburg University in the Netherlands

Since when do we care what a bunch of filthy dutch people think?
 
2012-08-05 06:01:55 PM  

meow said the dog: ArkAngel: Black people have spent the last 30ish years mocking those who would get an education and the schools themselves.

LAUGHTER OL! WUT?


Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

And at any rate, the counter-thesis highlights the problem with the shared premise. Not all conservatives are anti-science evangelicals, and not all blacks are against betterment through education. We do ourselves a great disfavor to doubly burden people of any group trying to break from cultural expectations. One would have thought this to be an obvious attitude to have after the civil rights movement. Oh, well.
 
2012-08-05 06:23:34 PM  

gerrymander: meow said the dog: ArkAngel: Black people have spent the last 30ish years mocking those who would get an education and the schools themselves.

LAUGHTER OL! WUT?

Google "acting white". It's just as embarrassing as evangelical anti-evolution views -- if not more so. You don't need to be a Darwinian natural selection advocate to do sociology, but you do need math.

And at any rate, the counter-thesis highlights the problem with the shared premise. Not all conservatives are anti-science evangelicals, and not all blacks are against betterment through education. We do ourselves a great disfavor to doubly burden people of any group trying to break from cultural expectations. One would have thought this to be an obvious attitude to have after the civil rights movement. Oh, well.


Thank you for doing a better job explaining my point than I did.
 
2012-08-05 06:28:12 PM  
To think otherwise, they argue, damages the scientific credibility of psychology - a field that has been criticized in the press for being a pseudo-science.

Well, something we can all agree on.
 
2012-08-05 07:33:49 PM  

tlchwi02: well, conservatives have spent the last 30ish years attacking science and scientists. they mock college educations and attack the very colleges themselves. Why is it shocking then that college employees who consider themselves scientists would be skeptical of a self-professed political conservative?

 
2012-08-05 07:37:07 PM  
In that situation discriminating against conservatives is not only understandable, but probably necessary to preserve academic/scientific integrity.

Let's be honest here: People who identify with mainstream American-style conservatism today generally have chosen to be willfully ignorant and even defiant in the face of proven facts that disagree with a preset worldview.

Not a good thing to have in academia.

To make an obvious (bordering on strawman) example: Is it unfair discrimination to refuse to hire a young-earth creationist to do research in and teach college level biology?

Yeah, there are a lot of people out there who call themselves conservative who can think for themselves and are willing to change their viewpoints based on fresh evidence (and God bless 'em) but those people have very little influence in American conservative organizations today.
 
2012-08-05 07:42:40 PM  

ArkAngel: tlchwi02: well, conservatives have spent the last 30ish years attacking science and scientists. they mock college educations and attack the very colleges themselves. Why is it shocking then that college employees who consider themselves scientists would be skeptical of a self-professed political conservative?

Black people have spent the last 30ish years mocking those who would get an education and the schools themselves. Why would any school hire a black person?


Is the idea of bashing higher education (or even education in general) a platform of the Black Party?
 
2012-08-05 07:51:11 PM  

meow said the dog: Intelligent people who enjoy science do not wish to hire individuals who support the anti-scientific cause. Wow this is such the surprising thing!


What a snob!
 
2012-08-05 08:08:18 PM  
I also hear that NASA discriminates against flat-earthers.
 
2012-08-05 08:08:37 PM  
Perhaps if conservatives spent less time broadcasting their ignorance, lack of critical thinking skills, and willful refusal to accept facts, evidence, and established science, this wouldn't happen.

On the other hand, these days that DEFINES the modern conservative, so if they stopped, no conservatives would be left.
 
2012-08-05 08:08:49 PM  
So farking what?
 
2012-08-05 08:09:19 PM  

ArkAngel: Black people have spent the last 30ish years mocking those who would get an education and the schools themselves. Why would any school hire a black person?


Being black is a factor of birth, being conservative is a choice.

Discriminating against people for making stupid choices is not a bad thing, discriminating against people because of non factors of birth like skin color is.
 
2012-08-05 08:14:01 PM  

Riche: In that situation discriminating against conservatives is not only understandable, but probably necessary to preserve academic/scientific integrity.

Let's be honest here: People who identify with mainstream American-style conservatism today generally have chosen to be willfully ignorant and even defiant in the face of proven facts that disagree with a preset worldview.

Not a good thing to have in academia.

To make an obvious (bordering on strawman) example: Is it unfair discrimination to refuse to hire a young-earth creationist to do research in and teach college level biology?

Yeah, there are a lot of people out there who call themselves conservative who can think for themselves and are willing to change their viewpoints based on fresh evidence (and God bless 'em) but those people have very little influence in American conservative organizations today.


See, that's the thing.

"Discrimination" simply can't exist on an individual level. As someone else said upthread, any time you pick and choose between several options, you are DISCRIMINATING (as in, a discriminating eater). Assuming two people are equally qualified for a job, one person has to be chosen based on SOMETHING...and choosing based on race is no more discriminatory than choosing based on they didn't like his tie.

Patterns of discrimination are easy to see, as in early civil rights class-action suits; but individual discrimination is impossible to see, never mind prove. It all comes down to cases, and it can as easily be "No, we didn't like his politics" as "I didn't like the way his front teeth were crooked."
 
2012-08-05 08:14:43 PM  
If there's one thing that conservatives stand firmly against, it's discrimination.

Perhaps they would support some sort of Action to rectify this problem. A policy that Affirms the belief that they should be treated fairly and equally in employment and business.
 
2012-08-05 08:16:20 PM  
I discriminate against people who think that their personal political ideology is so important that they need to bring it to work.
 
2012-08-05 08:16:20 PM  
Conservatives are such a persecuted minority that they need the protection of affirmative action!
 
2012-08-05 08:23:10 PM  
I'll say it: if someone openly sided with a Christian conservative candidate like Sarah Palin or Rick Santorum on his/her FB page, I would not hire. But to be fair, I have never had this problem, as I am a software engineer in SF. Almost everyone I work with votes Dem, and the few that don't are Paulites/libertarians. And if you say the comment about Palin/Santorum is some kind of nasty bias, I would counter with the fact that most of the ideas these people stand for would absolutely make you a far worse software engineer. Throwing logic and critical thinking out the window for your personal life does not bode well for your professional one.
 
2012-08-05 08:24:20 PM  
Conservatives never fail to make themselves out to be the victims. Pathetic.
 
2012-08-05 08:24:24 PM  
That's because they have a clear mental defect.
 
2012-08-05 08:25:41 PM  
My vote is to take it a step further and kill them outright, but thats just me.
 
2012-08-05 08:26:06 PM  

ultraholland: That's because they have a clear mental defect.


Oh, so now you're looking down on people with mental handicaps?

Typical lib.
 
2012-08-05 08:26:46 PM  

Emposter: Perhaps if conservatives spent less time broadcasting their ignorance, lack of critical thinking skills, and willful refusal to accept facts, evidence, and established science, this wouldn't happen.

On the other hand, these days that DEFINES the modern conservative, so if they stopped, no conservatives would be left.


The difficulty here is that those 'modern conservatives' aren't conservatives at all. The society the want for America never existed, so they aren't trying to preserve (conservative) or return to (reactionary) anything. They just want power and privilege (private law).
 
2012-08-05 08:27:50 PM  

ArkAngel: tlchwi02: well, conservatives have spent the last 30ish years attacking science and scientists. they mock college educations and attack the very colleges themselves. Why is it shocking then that college employees who consider themselves scientists would be skeptical of a self-professed political conservative?

Black people have spent the last 30ish years mocking those who would get an education and the schools themselves. Why would any school hire a black person?


Tell you what, when high profile leaders of the black community, NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, etc. start actively making fun of and eschewing higher education, then you'll be onto something. In the meantime, all you did was drop a false equivalence turd in the thread and then slink away
 
2012-08-05 08:28:20 PM  
1-Don't hire conservatives for academic posts.
2-Note how most academics are not conservative.
3-Draw faulty correlation that smarter people are not conservative.
4-Post on fark about how smart you are

You'd think we'd have the highest IQ in the Fark politics thread with all the liberals here.
 
2012-08-05 08:29:46 PM  
The fact that they keep referring to themselves as minorities is downright infuriating. In this day and age most people will not discriminate against someone for being fiscally conservative, but when it comes to social issues, you better believe that liberal people are going to look down on you if you hold socially conservative ideals because they are deep-rooted in racism, sexism, and oppression. The fact is that academia revolves around education and improving one's base of knowledge. Conservative ideologies tend to be against expanding one's knowledge unless it is limited to a small subset of pre-approved "facts" or ideas that they want you to subscribe to that tend to contradict or conflict with reality.

I think they're confusing the fact that academia tends to promote open-mindedness with the idea that liberals should be open-minded to their racism and discrimination. Sorry but socially conservative thinking is the opposite of open-mindedness and thus would counteract any open-mindedness that academia hopes to promote. Plus, intelligent people don't want to work with stupid people, and I'm not saying being conservative necessarily means you're stupid, but the probability is a lot higher as anyone who would self-identify with backwards thinking anti-intellectuals might not be the brightest bulb and thus not someone you'd want to employ.

While being anti-abortion for instance (since he mentioned it) doesn't necessarily mean you're an idiot or incapable of doing the job, it is certainly indicative of other ideologies you might subscribe to that would conflict with the job. Personally if I were hiring in academia I would be cautious of anyone who might want to abuse their position of authority as an educator to indoctrinate students and that tends to be the conservative agenda (at least in recent years).

This is no different than conservative run businesses that don't want to hire more liberal-minded people as they believe it would conflict with their ideologies.
 
2012-08-05 08:29:52 PM  
Conservatives love books, subby.

/Books make good fuel to roast marshmallows
 
2012-08-05 08:29:57 PM  
sendtodave: Oh, so now you're looking down on people with mental handicaps?

For jobs requiring higher-order mental functions, yes.
 
2012-08-05 08:34:06 PM  
It sounds like some conservatives need some affirmative action. Oh the irony.
 
2012-08-05 08:35:37 PM  
If I can tell what your ideology is from a scientific paper, that piece of shiat belongs in a trash heap.
 
2012-08-05 08:41:23 PM  
If conservatives were hired, we wouldn't have many of the innovations and medicines we'd have today. Scientists would be relegated to wasting their dealing with all the problems conservatives bring to the industry.

"Oh this grad student is from Saudi Arabia? Yeah I can't work with this person because he doesn't read the bible."
 
2012-08-05 08:42:55 PM  

Mrbogey: 1-Don't hire conservatives for academic posts.

Disparage higher education
2-have less of a presence in higher education
3-Whine about nasty libs
 
2012-08-05 08:43:33 PM  
"I refuse to work on this early genetic screening module because kids with Tay-Sachs will get aborted as a result of this. Tay-Sachs kids can live to 4 or 5, more than enough time to accept Jesus where live forever in the kingdom of Heaven."
 
2012-08-05 08:45:00 PM  
"I can't work on this insulin resistance drug project because the HEK 293 cells came from an aborted baby."
 
2012-08-05 08:45:45 PM  

DeaH: I also hear that NASA discriminates against flat-earthers.


This. The simple fact of being openly conservative should be cause for removal from all society. This is particularly true given that "openly conservative" pretty much means Glenn-Beck-parroting-birther-loon these days.
 
2012-08-05 08:46:24 PM  
"I'm not gonna study this genetic model because we use the HeLa cell line so much, when is a white person gonna get credit for sacrificing their body to science?"
 
2012-08-05 08:47:11 PM  

thurstonxhowell: If I can tell what your ideology is from a scientific paper, that piece of shiat belongs in a trash heap.



That would be a big trash heap.
 
2012-08-05 08:47:11 PM  
"Oh I can't listen to Rush Limbaugh during work hours? You're repressing my freedom of expression"
 
2012-08-05 08:48:01 PM  
So, educators, psychologists, and scientists...F you, F everything you stand for, F every single word you say, and F your factually based professions.

Now that that's said, why don't you like me?
 
2012-08-05 08:48:12 PM  

RolandGunner: thurstonxhowell: If I can tell what your ideology is from a scientific paper, that piece of shiat belongs in a trash heap.


That would be a big trash heap.


Only because idiots like you define going from data to conclusion instead of the other way around as liberal.
 
2012-08-05 08:48:20 PM  
You guys sure are giving that straw man a good beating.
 
2012-08-05 08:48:52 PM  
 
2012-08-05 08:50:44 PM  
"Many"? My goodness that sounds terrifyingly vague! And vaguely terrifying!

The important thing is that we all come to realize that conservatives are the real victims here, and have been all along.
 
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