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2012-08-05 05:58:41 PM  

fenianfark: elchip: Mrtraveler01: That was is for Clare McCaskill actually. I've seen that one here in St. Louis.

Dunno, why she's wasting political capital going after Akin when polls show Bruner getting the nomination.

I also found some of the language to be odd. "Conservative" isn't a bad word. Why didn't she say "Too extreme" or "Too right-wing"? And why did she refer negatively to his "Pro-family agenda" instead of his "Anti-woman agenda" or something?

McCaskill wants to run against Akin in the general. Akin has a voting record she can point to and make comparisons with. That's why she doesn't outright attack him, as being 'too conservative' isn't a negative to the base. That tone would quickly change if he got the nomination.


Yeah but Brunner is going to win. He's got all the corporate and big business groups backing him.

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2012-08-05 06:02:17 PM  
Denning says moderates have stepped out of line. They've teamed up with the few Democrats in the state Senate to block stridently conservative legislation coming from the state House and the governor's office.

Jeff Melcher, who runs an IT firm called NetStandard, is vying for state Senate seat now held by a moderate.

"There is a party for people who want big government and high taxation, and that's the Democrat Party," he says. "And that's where a lot of the moderates belong."

Moderate doesn't stand for middle of the road, unless it's on the far right side. Would they still be moderate?
 
2012-08-05 06:14:00 PM  
Besides, Kansas is moderate when compared to Texas or Oklahoma. We do occasionally elect a democrat to the House or Governor. We haven't gone nearly as far as either one of those states.
 
2012-08-05 06:17:28 PM  

WizardofToast: People win elections by not just winning their confirmed side, but the middle. Kicking them out won't get you anywhere.


Or they gerrymander. Which doesn't affect a statewide race, but much mischief can be made in drawing congressional and statehouse district lines.

Find the craziest motherfarker in your state's congressional delegation, and chances are you will find an equally crazy motherfarker from the other party right next door. That's no accident. Neither one of them would have had a shot in the general election, but thanks to gerrymandering the ones with the most wharr are rewarded.
 
2012-08-05 06:18:00 PM  
Why is it that the states that receive the most tax relief (typically red states, what a shocker) are the ones that cry the most about taxes?

Cut federal aid to these derp states. Seriously. They don't want the money - they're too bootstrappy for that, after all - and the rest of us socialists get to stop paying for them. It's win win.
 
2012-08-05 06:20:50 PM  
Would it be too much to hope for that the Democrat wins all of these races that the Tea Partyer upsets the incumbent in?
 
2012-08-05 06:21:02 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: We do occasionally elect a democrat to the House or Governor.


You did have Sebelius for a little while but then after that you went for Brownback.

Hard to justify voting for Brownback.
 
2012-08-05 06:26:07 PM  

jigger:
It's funny because that's what anyone does when they use terms like "the left" or "the right wing" or "libs" or "farkindependents".


And you're my jigger on the trigger.
 
2012-08-05 06:27:27 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Bigdogdaddy: We do occasionally elect a democrat to the House or Governor.

You did have Sebelius for a little while but then after that you went for Brownback.

Hard to justify voting for Brownback.


He'll be VP or President some day. He's just waiting for the GOP to get their ass beat this election.
 
2012-08-05 06:27:37 PM  

Dear Jerk: Riche
No matter how bad it gets or how much power the derptards gain, anything that goes wrong in the state in the coming years will ALL be the fault of "The Liberals."


You don't understand Kansas politics. There are no liberals. Occasionally, the few democrats will leverage their power and get something done, but it's pretty well accepted that they don't matter. Oddly though, the voters will come through when things get out of hand, such as when the christers take over the school board. We also tend to elect the better candidate for governor. It's too bad we didn't have a Sibelius around this time to run against Brownback.


carmody
Kansas state politics have traditionally been quite moderate, with Topeka being stocked year after year with middle-of-the-road Republicans who balance fiscal conservativism with lefty social values. Until the Tea Party Revoluton swept the country and brought Brownback into office. Now it's a race to the bottom of the barrel.

Nope. The Wichita abortion protests in 1991 rallied the kooks and they've been consolidating power since then.



Oh, don't you worry about that. There will certainly be some liberals around-- otherwise the conservative agenda would have worked and Kansas would be a tax-free utopia. True, those "liberals" may be hiding in the classrooms posing as teachers or college professors. Or as social workers. Or as newspaper reporters-- damn them an their pesky questions. Or they even may pose as some kind of strange church minister who keeps preaching blatantly unchristian things like "love thy neighbor" or "feed the hungry."

Hell, your next door neighbor in Topeka might even be a liberal, plotting RIGHT NOW to bring down the glory of the job creators and bring about sharia law!

You should call the police on him, just to be sure. We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud, do we?

========================

You see- there will ALWAYS be a liberal around to blame when things go wrong. Even when there aren't.

Get it now?
 
2012-08-05 06:28:44 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: He'll be VP or President some day.


Why did you have to depress me like that?
 
2012-08-05 06:34:12 PM  
"I think the lines have been drawn in the sand. Bridges have been burned. Everybody is all-in this election," says Jim Denning, one of the conservative candidates for the state's Senate.

Jesus, it's just a string of cliches. That's the only way these idiots can communicate. The vetting process from the Koch Brothers to find these people must be simple. 1) Is this person completely void of self-awareness? 2) Is this person able to vomit our tailor-made propaganda to the masses? 3) Does this person have the same psychological issues prevalent in prostitutes? If yes to all three of these questions, Koch Industries is proud to orchestrate your campaign on behalf of real 'Merkins.
 
2012-08-05 06:50:59 PM  
What Supes would look like if he landed in today's Kansas:

images.wikia.com
 
2012-08-05 06:55:59 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Riche: Frankly, I blame most organized religions. They're the assholes who taught people from birth to have "faith" to keep on believing in obviously crazy lies despite a lifetime of experience to the contrary.

Next time, sweet cheeks. When you're discussing politics, don't swerve off into your personal religious prejudice.
It makes people think that you weren't paying attention, which you aren't.
/Christian
//Democrat




Glad you like my cheeks.

And kudos to you if you're one of the ones who can wall off the whole "believe obviouly crazy stuff without evidence" to just a few subjects-- at least well enough so you aren't manipulated into hurting others for the benefit of the wealthy elite.


======

As for Christianity...hey, I don't have a problem with the J-man's teaching of "be nice to once another and don't get too caught up in material things" bit.

It's all the other... stuff that I have a problem with:

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i181.photobucket.com


I could go on and on, of course. But you get the point.


/Gee, I sure hope I haven't shaken your faith...
 
2012-08-05 07:07:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Bigdogdaddy: He'll be VP or President some day.

Why did you have to depress me like that?


If Rmoney picked him for VP, it would really pump up his conservative cred.
 
2012-08-05 07:11:50 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Mrtraveler01: Bigdogdaddy: He'll be VP or President some day.

Why did you have to depress me like that?

If Rmoney picked him for VP, it would really pump up his conservative cred.


*shudders*

(Seriously though, I have a feeling he would have an impact on Romney's campaign that Palin had on McCain's.)
 
2012-08-05 07:19:05 PM  

jjorsett: pudding7: Good for them. I want a state to be completely run by Tea Party folks, and have them get every single thing they want, and then we'll check back in with them in a decade or so and see how it's going. I suspect it'd be a cross between Mississippi and Somalia.

Not that they seem to care about actual results, but still it'd be an interesting experiment.

California is well-along the road of the Democratic equivalent. If nothing else, our suffering will serve as a warning to others.


You mean having budgets held up by a GOP minority?
 
2012-08-05 07:42:21 PM  

breitkreutz: In my experience, many Johnson County, KS kids are very conflicted. They get really decent (factual history, science, pre-engineering, debate & logic-based) educations in the public schools, but then they go home and get the opposite from their parents and churches. It's a struggle for a lot of them, and as a volunteer down there, sad to see how it shakes out for some of them and their families.


Why? Fark 'em. If they want to make piss-poor decisions for their families, let 'em rot. The smart kids will get the hell out of dodge the second they turn 18, and the mouthbreathers will stay and suckle that sweet, sweet federal teet like every other republican teabagger. See also: Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana...
 
2012-08-05 07:46:37 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Yet most voters don't vote because they don't want to be lumped in with the right wing idiots or the left wingl idiots,


What planet do you live on that considers democrats to be left wing? I take it that you've never travelled much outside of Pigdick, US of A.
 
2012-08-05 08:34:46 PM  

doyner: "The moderates have had their chance, and it was a failure,"
---Jeff Melcher

"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category. "
― Adolf Hitler

Yeah, I went there.


Lemme join ya: The only difference bet. the Tea Party and the Nazis is: They don't wear brown shirts, jackboots, goose-step in unison and speak in German.
 
2012-08-05 08:35:34 PM  

pudding7: Good for them. I want a state to be completely run by Tea Party folks, and have them get every single thing they want, and then we'll check back in with them in a decade or so and see how it's going. I suspect it'd be a cross between Mississippi and Somalia.

Not that they seem to care about actual results, but still it'd be an interesting experiment.


Massachusetts is virtually completely run by the Democrats. They control all statewide offices and have something like 85% of both houses of the state legislature. How come I never hear from "progressive" farkers about how everything is just so 100% perfect there?
 
2012-08-05 08:35:57 PM  
FTA: "But despite their lock on power, Kansas Republicans don't generally get along."

No surprise there. As soon as any one ideological bloc becomes predominant, they begin to fight amongst each other over minor differences in policy / belief. Kansas is just ahead of the curve in reflecting what is happening in the national Republican party.
 
2012-08-05 08:40:54 PM  

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Gwyrddu: shotglasss: We have a few examples of that already. California, Detroit, and New York City are a few. How is the state's budget in Kansas?

They are 492 million in the hole. Mississippi and Louisiana are on the top 10 ten list of states with the largest debt percentage of their GDP. So no, Republicans haven't shown they are any more responsible with money than anyone else.

Also, having lived in both NYC and Kansas, I'd gladly move back to NYC if I had a good paying job in the area. You couldn't pay me enough however to move back to Kansas (and I was only there because the military sent me there, I would have rather been in Afghanistan)

To be fair, suburban KC is actually very nice.

But that's the ONLY part of Kansas I would ever live in voluntarily.

Aw, come on. Lawrence is pretty sweet too. Just don't go west of there.


The one time I visited Wichita, nothing struck me more than it's resemblance to any given 1970s-1980s post-apocalyptic movie's cityscape backdrop.
 
2012-08-05 09:03:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Rann Xerox: The company that will eventually have to build a version of the "Great Wall of China" around the entire state of Kansas in order to keep the derp from escaping will make a fortune.

As long as we can make Johnson, Wyandotte counties and Lawrence a West Berlin kind of situation.


After seeing all the Melcher signs in Johnson County I can tell you we don't deserve it.
 
2012-08-05 09:10:15 PM  

mikemoto: pudding7: Good for them. I want a state to be completely run by Tea Party folks, and have them get every single thing they want, and then we'll check back in with them in a decade or so and see how it's going. I suspect it'd be a cross between Mississippi and Somalia.

Not that they seem to care about actual results, but still it'd be an interesting experiment.

Massachusetts is virtually completely run by the Democrats. They control all statewide offices and have something like 85% of both houses of the state legislature. How come I never hear from "progressive" farkers about how everything is just so 100% perfect there?


Because nobody thinks its 100% perfect up there?
 
2012-08-05 09:27:52 PM  

Mrtraveler01: fenianfark: elchip: Mrtraveler01: That was is for Clare McCaskill actually. I've seen that one here in St. Louis.

Dunno, why she's wasting political capital going after Akin when polls show Bruner getting the nomination.

I also found some of the language to be odd. "Conservative" isn't a bad word. Why didn't she say "Too extreme" or "Too right-wing"? And why did she refer negatively to his "Pro-family agenda" instead of his "Anti-woman agenda" or something?

McCaskill wants to run against Akin in the general. Akin has a voting record she can point to and make comparisons with. That's why she doesn't outright attack him, as being 'too conservative' isn't a negative to the base. That tone would quickly change if he got the nomination.

Yeah but Brunner is going to win. He's got all the corporate and big business groups backing him.

Link


I don't doubt Brunner will win on Tuesday. Not only does he have a lead in the polls, but he has deep pockets too.

McCaskill was already looking at poor odds in November, but running against a wealthy businessman who has no voting record makes her chances even worse. It will be a sad day if Missouri is represented by Blunt and Brunner in the Senate.
 
2012-08-05 09:31:15 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: pudding7: Good for them. I want a state to be completely run by Tea Party folks, and have them get every single thing they want, and then we'll check back in with them in a decade or so and see how it's going. I suspect it'd be a cross between Mississippi and Somalia.

Not that they seem to care about actual results, but still it'd be an interesting experiment.

I've been saying this for years. We need one state to just go completely off the derp end, and after that mess plays out the rest of the country will pretty much realize how insane and destructive these ideas are. We could call this the teabag gambit, Kansas variation, accepted.


You never go Full Kansas.
 
2012-08-05 09:44:36 PM  
Riche
You see- there will ALWAYS be a liberal around to blame when things go wrong. Even when there aren't.
Get it now?

You are missing the issue. In Kansas, conservative republicans do not blame liberals for anything. They blame moderate republicans.
 
2012-08-05 09:49:29 PM  
Carry on, my wayward sons?
 
2012-08-05 09:53:42 PM  
In the past I tried to defend fly-over country. I felt the name calling being directed that way was uncalled for. Then I spent two weeks in Independence, Kansas.

Can we build a wall around that state to keep the crazy from leaking out?
 
2012-08-05 09:56:57 PM  

Dear Jerk: Riche
You see- there will ALWAYS be a liberal around to blame when things go wrong. Even when there aren't.
Get it now?

You are missing the issue. In Kansas, conservative republicans do not blame liberals for anything. They blame moderate republicans.


Just wait. First they'll be called RINOs then Liberals.
 
2012-08-05 09:58:45 PM  

pudding7: Good for them. I want a state to be completely run by Tea Party folks, and have them get every single thing they want, and then we'll check back in with them in a decade or so and see how it's going. I suspect it'd be a cross between Mississippi and Somalia.

Not that they seem to care about actual results, but still it'd be an interesting experiment.


Like it wont be the faults of the liberals anyway
 
2012-08-05 10:08:21 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Gwyrddu: shotglasss: We have a few examples of that already. California, Detroit, and New York City are a few. How is the state's budget in Kansas?

They are 492 million in the hole. Mississippi and Louisiana are on the top 10 ten list of states with the largest debt percentage of their GDP. So no, Republicans haven't shown they are any more responsible with money than anyone else.

Also, having lived in both NYC and Kansas, I'd gladly move back to NYC if I had a good paying job in the area. You couldn't pay me enough however to move back to Kansas (and I was only there because the military sent me there, I would have rather been in Afghanistan)

To be fair, suburban KC is actually very nice.

But that's the ONLY part of Kansas I would ever live in voluntarily.

Aw, come on. Lawrence is pretty sweet too. Just don't go west of there.

The one time I visited Wichita, nothing struck me more than it's resemblance to any given 1970s-1980s post-apocalyptic movie's cityscape backdrop.


Lawrence was actually used to film the post-apocalyptic movie The Day After. It was pretty cool.
 
2012-08-05 10:35:31 PM  

Serious Black: My state embarrasses me so damn much. I want to cry. That and ask the president to nuke the whole damn place from orbit.


4.bp.blogspot.com

img.dooyoo.co.uk

It's been done.
 
2012-08-05 11:13:34 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: pudding7: Good for them. I want a state to be completely run by Tea Party folks, and have them get every single thing they want, and then we'll check back in with them in a decade or so and see how it's going. I suspect it'd be a cross between Mississippi and Somalia.

Not that they seem to care about actual results, but still it'd be an interesting experiment.

One problem: the bulk of our meat processing is done in Kansas (because, surprise: deregulation)


I'll do without. Let the crazy barstids tear each other to shreds.
 
2012-08-06 12:30:01 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: pudding7: Good for them. I want a state to be completely run by Tea Party folks, and have them get every single thing they want, and then we'll check back in with them in a decade or so and see how it's going. I suspect it'd be a cross between Mississippi and Somalia.

Not that they seem to care about actual results, but still it'd be an interesting experiment.

I've been saying this for years. We need one state to just go completely off the derp end, and after that mess plays out the rest of the country will pretty much realize how insane and destructive these ideas are. We could call this the teabag gambit, Kansas variation, accepted.


I wish people were willing to learn like this. Instead, we'll probably hear Fox News go all Iraqi Information Minister and say that Kansas is paradise on Earth, and the teabaggers will swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
 
2012-08-06 12:49:03 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Don't Troll Me Bro!: pudding7: Good for them. I want a state to be completely run by Tea Party folks, and have them get every single thing they want, and then we'll check back in with them in a decade or so and see how it's going. I suspect it'd be a cross between Mississippi and Somalia.

Not that they seem to care about actual results, but still it'd be an interesting experiment.

I've been saying this for years. We need one state to just go completely off the derp end, and after that mess plays out the rest of the country will pretty much realize how insane and destructive these ideas are. We could call this the teabag gambit, Kansas variation, accepted.

I wish people were willing to learn like this. Instead, we'll probably hear Fox News go all Iraqi Information Minister and say that Kansas is paradise on Earth, and the teabaggers will swallow it hook, line, and sinker.


Don't forget the Liberals in the Federal government (no matter who is in power) and other states will be blamed for any failures.
 
2012-08-06 12:52:47 AM  

mikemoto: Massachusetts is virtually completely run by the Democrats. They control all statewide offices and have something like 85% of both houses of the state legislature. How come I never hear from "progressive" farkers about how everything is just so 100% perfect there?


Nothing made by man will ever be 100% perfect. Humans are fallible and always give in to their impulses in the end. Doesn't matter the party, race, gender or religion. If you understand that, you can deal with it and try to set up a system that accounts for human failures but at the same time tries to push towards a higher ideal. That's what the Founding Fathers tried to do with the Constitution. The danger of the Tea Party is that they don't believe in their own infallibility. They are so convinced of their own rightness that they will steamroll anyone who gets in their way or deviates even a little from their ideology. Far from trying to control their own impulses, they have been completely consumed by them.
 
2012-08-06 12:54:02 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The one time I visited Wichita, nothing struck me more than it's resemblance to any given 1970s-1980s post-apocalyptic movie's cityscape backdrop.


Wichita is the personification of despair. I refuse to ever stop there when driving to KC.
 
2012-08-06 01:04:53 AM  

Rwa2play: doyner: "The moderates have had their chance, and it was a failure,"
---Jeff Melcher

"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category. "
― Adolf Hitler

Yeah, I went there.

Lemme join ya: The only difference bet. the Tea Party and the Nazis is: They don't wear brown shirts, jackboots, goose-step in unison and speak in German.


Yeah, there's a much bigger difference. Nazi's were competent enough to get shiat done.
 
2012-08-06 02:33:55 AM  

Rwa2play: doyner: "The moderates have had their chance, and it was a failure,"
---Jeff Melcher

"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category. "
― Adolf Hitler

Yeah, I went there.

Lemme join ya: The only difference bet. the Tea Party and the Nazis is: They don't wear brown shirts, jackboots, goose-step in unison and speak in German.


But you can bet your last goddam bottom dollar that's how every last one of the right-wingers imagine themselves:

+ Jack boots
+ Jodhpurs
+ Epaulets
+ Sam Browne belt
+ Shoulder pads
+ Peaked cap
 
2012-08-06 02:52:07 AM  
"The conservative element today is a far cry from what the conservative was when I was growing up," he says. "It's angry. It's hateful."

That's pretty much all you need to know about today's Republican party.
 
2012-08-06 03:43:34 AM  

Rwa2play: doyner: "The moderates have had their chance, and it was a failure,"
---Jeff Melcher

"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category. "
― Adolf Hitler

Yeah, I went there.

Lemme join ya: The only difference bet. the Tea Party and the Nazis is: They don't wear brown shirts, jackboots, goose-step in unison and speak in German.


Also, the Nazis did recognize the value in roads and bridges and other national infrastructure. Republicans won't pay for it.
 
2012-08-06 03:45:11 AM  

fenianfark: McCaskill was already looking at poor odds in November, but running against a wealthy businessman who has no voting record makes her chances even worse. It will be a sad day if Missouri is represented by Blunt and Brunner in the Senate.


(shudder)
 
2012-08-06 08:14:34 AM  
The Independent Republic of Derpistan

Well, it's not like I would notice any difference.
 
2012-08-06 09:08:37 AM  
FTA: ""There is a party for people who want big government and high taxation, and that's the Democrat Party. And that's where a lot of the moderates belong," he says."

What this asshat doesn't understand is that many of formerly moderate Republicans have already left the party of stonewall and become Independents or (gasp) Democrats.

One of the earlier posts suggested that it would be nice to see all of the Kansas teabaggers win everything in the state. Let the experiment run for about a decade and see how its going. I like that idea.

I am glad I live somewhere else.

Kansas, ha ha!
 
2012-08-06 09:57:55 AM  

mikemoto: Massachusetts is virtually completely run by the Democrats. They control all statewide offices and have something like 85% of both houses of the state legislature. How come I never hear from "progressive" farkers about how everything is just so 100% perfect there?


Since when are all Democrats Progressives....?

And very, very few people advocate that taking all Democratic or Progressive stances would lead to a paradise on earth. I think the general message is that it's better then trying insane/moronic/factually incorrect things we know WON'T work.
 
2012-08-06 10:29:05 AM  
Hello Farkers. Long time lurker here, first time commenter.

I live in Lawrence. Around here we pronounce Brownback, "Brownshirt".

/well I do, anyway.
 
2012-08-06 10:38:17 AM  

Rocket To Russia: Hello Farkers. Long time lurker here, first time commenter.

I live in Lawrence. Around here we pronounce Brownback, "Brownshirt".

/well I do, anyway.


My brother-in-law probably does as well. (brews beer at Freestate)
 
2012-08-06 10:58:56 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Moderate automatically means "Democrat?" See, this is why I vote Democrat so often, in spite of not actually being a Democrat. These people are crazy.


"We are the alternative to crazy pants" isn't exactly the healthiest political discourse for our nation to be having. It would be nice if the Democrats had a more articulate and unified vision for the future, instead of just being the default alternative to retards.
 
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