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2012-08-05 05:19:48 PM
Reid is playing poker and he knows Romney has crap, doesn't even matter if Reid is bluffing, he just raised and Romney is saying why don't you believe i have a good hand!
 
2012-08-05 05:21:56 PM

timujin: cchris_39: RexTalionis: Mitt Romney can easily prove him wrong.

^THIS FTW. If he paid millions in taxes, why tip your hand now? Let Obama and his minions wear themselves and expose them as lying fools right before election day. That's when you drop that bomb.

Otherwise, just stick to the "sure, soon as Obama releases his college transcripts" line.

Is it standard practice for Presidential candidates to release their college transcripts? Has Obama stated publicly, "Well, I'd release them, but they would be damaging to me politically" like Romney has said about his taxes?

I have no reason to believe that Romney did anything illegal in his taxes, but I do suspect that he has paid dramatically less in taxes than the average American, partly because he has better accountants and lawyers than the rest of us, but also because he has actively lobbied for the exact type of tax structure that benefits him.

Were it to come out that he has paid, say, 5% in taxes for the last decade, it would have a serious negative impact on his "job creators need lower taxes" position.

Secondly, if he did indeed take the Swiss bank account amnesty it would tarnish his image as an "upstanding American."

And, finally, if he has been paying less than his required 10% tithe to the Mormon Church, that could lose him a significant percentage of their votes.


Did I miss the memo on romney running and expanding business the last 5 years? How would your assumption be proven out?
 
2012-08-05 05:23:10 PM
MyRandomName: It is already known the left is too retarded to understand even the basics of legal filings as seen by the romney committed a felony angle from sec filings.

It was my understanding that the SEC filings proved that Romney DID NOT commit a felony. He just lied to the Olympic committee and the public regarding his involvement with Bain at the time.
 
2012-08-05 05:24:06 PM
cchris_39: cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: ^THIS FTW. If he paid millions in taxes, why tip your hand now? Let Obama and his minions wear themselves and expose them as lying fools right before election day. That's when you drop that bomb.

Yes, that's it. Drop the bomb when it's way too late and everyone's already formed an opinion. Run with that, see how that works out.

Lol, have you set a date after which objective reality will no longer be considered?


This is an American Presidential election. Objective reality was never considered.
 
2012-08-05 05:24:22 PM
"But you will distort his record!" falls pretty flat from the party that invented swiftboating. Just saying.
 
2012-08-05 05:41:38 PM

MyRandomName: timujin: cchris_39: RexTalionis: Mitt Romney can easily prove him wrong.

^THIS FTW. If he paid millions in taxes, why tip your hand now? Let Obama and his minions wear themselves and expose them as lying fools right before election day. That's when you drop that bomb.

Otherwise, just stick to the "sure, soon as Obama releases his college transcripts" line.

Is it standard practice for Presidential candidates to release their college transcripts? Has Obama stated publicly, "Well, I'd release them, but they would be damaging to me politically" like Romney has said about his taxes?

I have no reason to believe that Romney did anything illegal in his taxes, but I do suspect that he has paid dramatically less in taxes than the average American, partly because he has better accountants and lawyers than the rest of us, but also because he has actively lobbied for the exact type of tax structure that benefits him.

Were it to come out that he has paid, say, 5% in taxes for the last decade, it would have a serious negative impact on his "job creators need lower taxes" position.

Secondly, if he did indeed take the Swiss bank account amnesty it would tarnish his image as an "upstanding American."

And, finally, if he has been paying less than his required 10% tithe to the Mormon Church, that could lose him a significant percentage of their votes.

Did I miss the memo on romney running and expanding business the last 5 years? How would your assumption be proven out?


Which assumption? That this would indicate "job creators" do not need additional tax relief? Because if Romney is paying an absurdly low amount, then it can be surmised that most people with access to the same investment opportunities and with similarly skilled accountants and lawyers would be paying a similar percentage of income tax.
 
2012-08-05 05:42:24 PM
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2012-08-05 05:46:10 PM
I was going to accuse Harry of pulling this out of his ass, however...

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2012-08-05 05:54:17 PM
Its pretty sad when conservatives try to be funny. Just stick to being cranky, mean-spirited, bible-thumping, bigoted corporate apologists.
 
2012-08-05 05:58:32 PM
Yeah, put me in the camp of hoping Romney never releases any additional returns. This is golden. Horror writers like to talk about how difficult it is to truly keep readers scared about a monster in creature stories because it's almost impossible to create a monster that is worse than the monster created in the minds of the reader. As soon as the writer "opens the door" and describes the monster, there is a feeling of relief in the reader, because, no matter how horrible the monster is described, the reader has already imagined a worse creature, and that monster is not behind the door. Romney, by refusing to reveal what's in his tax returns, is just fueling the imagination about what horror could actually be in his tax returns. I'm sure he will cave at some point, and all the fun will be over. No matter what shenanigans his tax preparers pulled off, they will never be as bad as the ones people have imagined. Anyone so naive as to run for president and not see that this was going to happen does deserve to be in the big chair.
 
2012-08-05 05:59:28 PM

Brick-House: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x309]


Really, this is actually accurate. Nobody cares about Reid, and he certainly doesn't care what people are saying about him - he's not running. All attacking Reid does is keep Romney's taxes the focus of discussion, and the right has fallen hook line and sinker for it - not that they have a choice. It's hard to imagine a graver self-inflicted wound - but there is time yet before the election for him to make a bigger screw up I guess.
 
2012-08-05 06:11:59 PM

CPennypacker: Its pretty sad when conservatives try to be funny. Just stick to being cranky, mean-spirited, bible-thumping, bigoted corporate apologists.


I thought the first one was pretty funny. Especially as it perfectly illustrates the futility of attacking a guy who's not going to run again, like Reid. Although I don't think that was it's intent. The second one was just stupid, though.
 
2012-08-05 06:18:42 PM
He should just release his birth certificate.
 
2012-08-05 06:25:34 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: CPennypacker: Its pretty sad when conservatives try to be funny. Just stick to being cranky, mean-spirited, bible-thumping, bigoted corporate apologists.

I thought the first one was pretty funny. Especially as it perfectly illustrates the futility of attacking a guy who's not going to run again, like Reid. Although I don't think that was it's intent. The second one was just stupid, though.


Yeah, they were both stupid. The fact that Reid isn't backing down, and is perhaps enjoying this brouhaha just a bit, must have the 2 or 3 remaining reasonable GOP strategists really, really concerned. Attacking Reid is pointless. This is about Romney and Obama, remember? 'Put up or shut up, Harry!'. Pathetic. The guy is the worst candidate, with the worst handlers, in our lifetime. Well done, Republicans. Have a fun convention, and tip well over at Mons Venus.
 
2012-08-05 07:40:13 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 276x400]
Father, I am not release tax returns even though you did for 12 years and in fact start tradition of releasing tax returns

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Son, I am disappoint


Pat Riley is Mitt Romney's dad? I did not know that!
 
2012-08-05 08:03:05 PM

t3knomanser: deadcrickets: Mitt claims he has done nothing wrong while on the other hand openly admitting that releasing his tax returns would make it worse.

And he's provided sufficient evidence: the IRS has approved of his returns. The idea that releasing his returns would make things worse doesn't require that he have done anything wrong- just that he did something complex enough that it could look wrong when shown to the public.

Don't get me wrong: I completely believe that there is all sorts of tax-dodging in his returns that would reveal him as the shiatheel he is. But Romney has fulfilled his obligation to the truth.


Actually, not releasing any of them would have been more honest. Releasing 2010 and 2011 is exceptionally misleading and to represent them as indicative of his overall tax situation is very dishonest.
 
2012-08-05 08:04:56 PM

Brick-House: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x309]


That looks like the who who does Mallard Filmore trying to make a Red Meat cartoon.
 
2012-08-05 08:12:47 PM
Mitt Romney needs to stop being a pussy and just release his tax returns. Man up, Mitt!
 
2012-08-05 08:15:13 PM

Bucky Katt: Mitt Romney needs to stop being a pussy and just release his tax returns. Man up, Mitt!


This. If Obama can release his tax returns AND release his birth certificate AND the long form, Romney can release the farking returns.
 
2012-08-05 08:43:09 PM

MyRandomName: shower_in_my_socks: Things that Mitt doesn't want to reveal:

- An illegal Swiss bank account that went unreported to the IRS, for which he received amnesty in 2009 to avoid legal and financial penalties

- How much Bain was really paying him in the years after he supposedly left the company in 1999

- How embarrassingly low his tax rate was

- The W9 from a hitman he hired to rape and murder a young girl in 1990, which he pinned on fellow Mormon Glenn Beck

It is like every liberal is desperate to be as farking stupid as every birther.


Romney's record on tax avoidance is far from a conspiracy theory. Even on his 2010 tax form it was pathetic so you can only imagine what embarrassing lengths he went do to pay as little as possible to the country that gave him everything.
 
2012-08-05 08:43:33 PM
Frankly I'm disappointed that someone who's been in politics so long hasn't shifted the entirety of his assets into his wife's name, so he has a clean return.

That's rich politician 101.
 
2012-08-05 09:17:31 PM
Lololol he's just going to keep it up til this really kills his campaign isn't he? Way to go Mittens,keep farking that chicken!
I wonder if the sane people left in the GOP realize this and are now scrambling to either find another canidate or make Romney more presentable. Or maybe they already know what's wrong with his taxes,McCain certainly would wouldn't he?
 
2012-08-05 09:40:16 PM
Yeah its REALLY obvious right now that he simply cannot release them or it will kill him dead.. only that could possibly explain the refusal, as it is costing him every damned day.
 
2012-08-05 09:41:32 PM

sdd2000: t3knomanser: sdd2000:
Actually the IRS is not the arbiter of the tax code. The courts are. I refer you to Link Also we only have Rmoney's word that he had been audited, he also does not say for which years or if he had to pay any penalties or if he took part in any amnesty program.

In criminal law the use of a previously used reliable informant is enough to establish probable cause.


These are their stories... DUN DUN
 
2012-08-05 09:42:50 PM

A Terrible Human: Lololol he's just going to keep it up til this really kills his campaign isn't he? Way to go Mittens,keep farking that chicken!
I wonder if the sane people left in the GOP realize this and are now scrambling to either find another canidate or make Romney more presentable. Or maybe they already know what's wrong with his taxes,McCain certainly would wouldn't he?


Given the skeletons in Palin's closet, I don't think McCain's campaign really read much background material.
 
2012-08-05 09:42:59 PM
He's never going to release this now.

I wonder what will be the next distraction.
 
2012-08-05 09:45:16 PM
And remember guys: the last time we got a GOP "business man" President who was there because his daddy, we got 9-11 and Iraq!
 
2012-08-05 09:47:00 PM
Romney 2012: NO U!
 
2012-08-05 10:26:34 PM

pacified: And remember guys: the last time we got a GOP "business man" President who was there because his daddy, we got 9-11 and Iraq!


You also forgot some of the greatest % job loses since oh about 1929.
 
2012-08-05 10:55:45 PM
t3knomanser 2012-08-05 12:29:02 PM

deadcrickets: Actually the burden is on Obama
Not in a sense of "what is true", it isn't. Reid is making the positive assertion that Mitt has done something wrong, and it falls to Reid to prove that wrongdoing. Mitt's defense of, "The IRS checked me out, they approved, I've done nothing wrong," is sufficient to establish veracity.

But we're not discussing truth. We're discussing politics. Reid has created a perception that may or may not be true- but Romney's only way to dispel that perception would be to release information that likely would provide more ammunition.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Reid is lying and Romney's taxes are pretty bog-standard for someone in his income bracket. A shrewd campaign, like Obama's, could easily go through that set of returns and find all sorts of things that would make Romney look bad, even if there's nothing illegal or even terribly unusual in his returns.


deadcrickets: Actually the burden is on Obama

Not in a sense of "what is true", it isn't. the teaparty is making the positive assertion that Obama is not American, and it falls to the teaparty to prove that wrongdoing. Obama's defense of, "The state of Hawaii has certified the birth certificat, I've done nothing wrong," is sufficient to establish veracity.

But we're not discussing truth. We're discussing politics. the tea party has created a perception that may or may not be true- but Obama's only way to dispel that perception would be to release the birth certificate that likely would provide more ammunition.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the tea party is lying and Obama is a citizen. A shrewd campaign, like the tea party, could easily go through the birth certificate and find all sorts of things that would make Obama look bad, even if there's nothing wrong with the birth certificate.



/Funny I dodn't remember seeing these types of comments from conservatives before this.
 
2012-08-05 10:57:39 PM

Smeggy Smurf: RexTalionis: Mitt Romney can easily prove him wrong.

I want to see proof that Harry Reid isn't a pedophile and a rapist. I heard it from an unnamed source so it must be true.


Reid is not on my state's ballot this year. Or any other state's ballot. Nor is he running for President.

Moreover, four years from now, when and if Reid runs for re-election to the Senate, I suspect that the primary plank in his platform will be to make major changes in the US economy based on anti-pedofile and anti-rape philosophies.

Romney IS in my state's ballot this year. For President. And he is loudly saying that we need to lower taxes on people like him and raise them on the median of the US income distribution, which will increase the deficit, btw.

Yeah, false equivalency is false. But do desist from ending your carnal relations with an unfortunate farm fowl.
 
2012-08-05 11:02:56 PM

MyRandomName: deadcrickets: Define very bad you farking retard. Has the IRS ever found romney guilty for taxation? No. This is more than Obama's cabinet can say.


There was an amnesty program. If Romney admitted he had committed felonies by hiding funds in Swiss UBS accounts, he would have been required to pay back taxes and penalties, but no jail time.

Did Romney actually take the amnesty program in 2009? There isn't any proof without the tax records- part of the amnesty deal was that the IRS wouldn't reveal the names. It certainly fits, though. That would mean that the IRS did find Romney guilty for faxation. You don't need amnesty if you don't commit a crime.
 
2012-08-05 11:42:56 PM
I mainly want to see Mitty's returns from 1999 - 2002.

The period in which he has repeatedly and emphatically asserted he had no authority, control, or executive influence whatsoever over Bain Capital.

During which period he collected an annual six-figure salary - not stock dividends (which undoubtedly he also received) but salary - for his job-creating business acumen and expertise and experience and enterprise and job-creation based upon which we should vote to place him in charge of the for-profit business venture that is the United States of America - for doing what he and every one of his surrogates insist was absolutely nothing whatsoever.

Hope he didn't have to pay any taxes on all that hard-earned income.
 
2012-08-06 02:40:10 AM

LordJiro: Bucky Katt: Mitt Romney needs to stop being a pussy and just release his tax returns. Man up, Mitt!

This. If Obama can release his tax returns AND release his birth certificate AND the long form, Romney can release the farking returns.


And, technically, Obama has no control of his long form.
 
2012-08-06 03:09:24 AM

SixPaperJoint: If Mitt releases them and proves Reid is a liar that will dominate the news cycle and Mitt will get a pass on his taxes. The whole story will be about how Mitt destroyed the liar Reid.


Hmmm...I wonder why he hasn't done that?

My guess: there is evidence of criminal activity and he's afraid of going to jail.
 
2012-08-06 03:12:16 AM

balloot: I don't know what Obama did to get Reid to stick himself out like this for no reason,


Maybe Reid is doing it because he has information that indicates Romney has been stiffing the LDS.
 
2012-08-06 03:31:02 AM

Bontesla: In previous state elections, he's actually accused an opponent's spouse of hiding something because the spouse didn't release tax returns (while, at the same time, failing to release his own).


which means we should be looking at Ann's tax returns.

That's what's known as a "tell".
 
2012-08-06 04:42:26 AM

MyRandomName: deadcrickets: t3knomanser: deadcrickets: Actually the burden is on Mitt

Not in a sense of "what is true", it isn't. Reid is making the positive assertion that Mitt has done something wrong, and it falls to Reid to prove that wrongdoing. Mitt's defense of, "The IRS checked me out, they approved, I've done nothing wrong," is sufficient to establish veracity.

But we're not discussing truth. We're discussing politics. Reid has created a perception that may or may not be true- but Romney's only way to dispel that perception would be to release information that likely would provide more ammunition.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Reid is lying and Romney's taxes are pretty bog-standard for someone in his income bracket. A shrewd campaign, like Obama's, could easily go through that set of returns and find all sorts of things that would make Romney look bad, even if there's nothing illegal or even terribly unusual in his returns.

But who made the claims first? Mitt did. Mitt claims he has done nothing wrong while on the other hand openly admitting that releasing his tax returns would make it worse. Translation: there is something in there that is very, very, very bad and would tank his campaign. His only real way to dispel the perception is to release those tax returns. If he keeps putting it off until the election he'll lose simply because of two issues (which he's already failing on): likeability and trust. People do NOT vote for those they can't trust or don't like.

Define very bad you farking retard. Has the IRS ever found romney guilty for taxation? No. This is more than Obama's cabinet can say.

Look. Romney has released what is required of him by law. Liberals want him to release more so they can attack him, there is no reason for romney to give he left ammo. The left is being as retarded as arpaio in this situation. It is already known the left is too retarded to understand even the basics of legal filings as seen by the romney committed a felony angl ...


You seem pretty upset by all this .
 
2012-08-06 05:51:19 AM
Methinks we are not seeing the forest for the trees.
Paying zero taxes legally using tricks in the book is small potatoes. So is the 2009 amnesty program. Cayman Islands are also a distraction.
Audits I can believe and would come up clean.

to me, at least IMHO, the answer is something far worse. It more relates to Bain, which is also a small potato in this.

Methinks that Romney has far more fingers in many pies. The problem being the aggregate of those pies is that each and every one of them helped to contribute to the financial crash.

Toxic real estate loans. Gas price fixation from overseas.
We already know about Bain and outsourcing jobs to China. That would be revealed as a very small percentage of the huge extent of actual outsourcing. The returns would show a far greater percentage of responsibility.

All perfectly legal tax-wise. But they would all reveal a picture of a man who had singlehandedly done more to destroy the economy of the US than any other person walking on the face of this earth.

This information if it went public would destroy Romney from ever attaining the presidency.

THIS is what methinks Romney is hiding from the people.
 
2012-08-06 07:58:12 AM
Gee, if only their were some documents Romney could make public to prove Red wrong.

If only...
 
2012-08-06 08:32:39 AM
I like the democrats us of "fox news" logic.
I made a statement with no proof, but it's your job to prove me wrong. Nice job, Harry. It was so much easier when just republicans were liars.
 
2012-08-06 08:40:37 AM

Proteios1: I like the democrats us of "fox news" logic.
I made a statement with no proof, but it's your job to prove me wrong. Nice job, Harry. It was so much easier when just republicans were liars.


Do unto others are they do unto you. I honestly think it's just the Democratic party growing a farking spine. I wonder if the people asking for Mittens taxes will be called Taxers.

/Taxers sounds better than Birther/Teabagger
//Hehe I giggle everytime I hear about Teabaggers,great choice of name.
 
2012-08-06 09:15:07 AM

A Terrible Human: Proteios1: I like the democrats us of "fox news" logic.
I made a statement with no proof, but it's your job to prove me wrong. Nice job, Harry. It was so much easier when just republicans were liars.

Do unto others are they do unto you. I honestly think it's just the Democratic party growing a farking spine. I wonder if the people asking for Mittens taxes will be called Taxers.

/Taxers sounds better than Birther/Teabagger
//Hehe I giggle everytime I hear about Teabaggers,great choice of name.



or Returners.
 
2012-08-06 10:11:18 AM

dericwater: And, technically, Obama has no control of his long form.


I have the same problem, but I attribute it to middle age.
 
2012-08-06 10:19:07 AM
Here are a few of the pinko crazy lefites who think Mitt should release his returns:

Ed Rollins
George Will
Haley Barbour
Rick Perry
Bill Kristol
Newt Gingrich

Hang in there, Mitt. Damn libs!
 
2012-08-06 12:04:18 PM

ManRay: Fine. He's a hypocrite. He will have to live with that decision as to how it affects his chances at getting elected. But that does not change that fact that he does not have to release his returns anymore than his opponents do.


He doesn't have to wear pants any more than his opponents do either.
 
2012-08-06 01:43:20 PM

Biological Ali: ManRay: Fine. He's a hypocrite. He will have to live with that decision as to how it affects his chances at getting elected. But that does not change that fact that he does not have to release his returns anymore than his opponents do.

He doesn't have to wear pants any more than his opponents do either.


But if he does wear pants, he may still choose to wear them on his head.
 
2012-08-06 08:36:37 PM

Delay:
Romney was pro choice in Mass.
Romney got something like $1.2 billion in government handouts as a lobbyist for the Utah Olympics.
Romney instituted Obamacare before it was Federal law.

Seriously, besides being white, Romney is mostly left of Obama.


He's actually the epitome of the Right Wing's favorite viable candidate.

Not all of them are dumb enough to think a real Far Right conservative like Santorum can win a general election.

A weak opportunist like Romney could win it. So run that guy and remind him that George H.W. Bush lost because religious conservatives stayed home...and they can do the same thing to you, Sparky.

The weak opportunist probably is more successful at pushing the religious right's agenda than a true believer would ever be.
 
2012-08-06 08:52:19 PM

wejash: A weak opportunist like Romney could win it. So run that guy and remind him that George H.W. Bush lost because religious conservatives stayed home...and they can do the same thing to you, Sparky.


You are correct.
 
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