NewportBarGuy: then we can explode that whole myth about how the "Job Creators" need tax cuts.

I don't think we need tax returns to explode this myth.

1. Payroll is 100% tax deductible. Business expenses for starting or expanding a business, are 100% tax deductible. Any "job creator" who doesn't want to pay income tax and have the government spend it, can actually avoid the tax entirely by creating jobs.

2. The tax on $xx,xxx salary for one employee they wouldn't have to pay if they hired the employee, is cheaper than the total salary. The reason why they aren't hiring is because the employee costs more than taxes. Not because taxes are too high.

3. This country got along quite gloriously, without that much biatching, and without nearly as much debt, for many decades with a high tax bracket over 90%.

Basically what's going on is there are greedy hoarders who aren't investing and don't want to pay taxes. They just want to hoard. They're useless to society because they aren't contributing either voluntarily as entrepreneurs, and they aren't contributing enough as (involuntary) tax payers.

SO fark THEM. They should spend their goddamn money voluntarily, or it should be TAKEN FROM THEM. Simple.

And some how, they've convinced a non-insignificant minority of morons who will never make in a year, what these greedy farks pay in taxes at 15%, to defend their right to be useless hoarders. fark THEM TOO!

RexTalionis: Mitt Romney can easily prove him wrong.

^THIS FTW. If he paid millions in taxes, why tip your hand now? Let Obama and his minions wear themselves and expose them as lying fools right before election day. That's when you drop that bomb.

Otherwise, just stick to the "sure, soon as Obama releases his college transcripts" line.

The first Debate is going to be epic if Romney doesn't release his Tax Filings.
I'd be willing to bet Obama would show up with his in hand.

cchris_39: ^THIS FTW. If he paid millions in taxes, why tip your hand now? Let Obama and his minions wear themselves and expose them as lying fools right before election day. That's when you drop that bomb.

Yes, that's it. Drop the bomb when it's way too late and everyone's already formed an opinion. Run with that, see how that works out.

Mrbogey: my lip balm addiction: /you are a very good GOP apologizer mrbogey
//circular logic, no refutation of facts, no citations, just yell louder
///yelling louder to be right is the GOP way


Still waiting for someone to show Reid's source. All I see is people yelling louder the incorrect assertion that Romney must prove Rei'ds argument for him.

I like how you're still waiting for something that's been repeatedly pointed out for you.

It would be a good idea to require all candidates (and their spouses) for national office -- President, House, Senate, and just for completeness, nominees to the Supreme Court -- to provide a dozen years of tax returns, as well as require current members to release their tax returns at the same time they are submitted to the IRS.

/These men and women are employed by the people and work on our behalf. Might as well have radical transparency to keep them on the straight and narrow.

Mrtraveler01: Long story short, baseless accusations will not help a legitimate cause.

Sunshine, Harry Reid doesn't even take a dump without consulting his sources first. He knows what's in those taxes. The fact that Romney hasn't released them even now means whatever's in there is bad. Real bad.

Keep being concerned, though.

cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: ^THIS FTW. If he paid millions in taxes, why tip your hand now? Let Obama and his minions wear themselves and expose them as lying fools right before election day. That's when you drop that bomb.

Yes, that's it. Drop the bomb when it's way too late and everyone's already formed an opinion. Run with that, see how that works out.

Lol, have you set a date after which objective reality will no longer be considered?

Mrbogey: You really have no idea how logic works, do you?

You really have no idea how logic and politics are two completely unrelated things, do you? Argue logic all you want, but the item that resonates with the public is that Romney can make it all go away by releasing the returns. This is only compounded by Ann Romneys statement the "you people have been given all you need to know" and that any more information will only be used to attack Mitt. Genius statement there, as it immediately brings to mind the question "gee, whatever is in there, it must be bad or the evil Dems couldn't use it as ammunition". This is not a question regarding the rules of logic. This is about perception, and Romney is failing badly.

Big difference for the Mitt apologists.

Obama never demanded to see anyone's birth certificate
Mitt made a point of calling out other candidates for not showing taxes (even their spouses)

Smeggy Smurf: RexTalionis: Mitt Romney can easily prove him wrong.

I want to see proof that Harry Reid isn't a pedophile and a rapist. I heard it from an unnamed source so it must be true.

Yeah yeah and Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. Rush Limbaugh likes young Dominican boys.
Blah blah.

So vote Democratic party.

Frankly, if I was a conservative, I'd be ashamed to support Mitt Romney. I'd be so ashamed, in fact, that I wouldn't even show my face around here, because I would get rightfully called out for all the bullshiat, stupidity, and plain old evil I support.

But, ah, I just remembered: if I were a conservative, I'd lack the capacity for feeling shame.

Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: I like how you're still waiting for something that's been repeatedly pointed out for you.

Nobody has pointed out who told Harry Reid the claim.

Nobody pointed out who told Woodward and Bernstein the President was behind the Watergate break-in, either.

If there is a clear body of evidence in a he-said, she-said situation like this, then the only reasonable thing to do is look at the evidence and see who is lying... Especially when the evidence is something that is not out of bounds. A presidential candidate's handling of their taxes is not out of bounds because it shows their economic background and moral character. Romney needs to release his tax returns or he is a tax evader and a cheat in the eyes of the nation.

cchris_39: cameroncrazy1984: cchris_39: ^THIS FTW. If he paid millions in taxes, why tip your hand now? Let Obama and his minions wear themselves and expose them as lying fools right before election day. That's when you drop that bomb.

Yes, that's it. Drop the bomb when it's way too late and everyone's already formed an opinion. Run with that, see how that works out.

Lol, have you set a date after which objective reality will no longer be considered?

Around the same time Mitt Romney wins the election.

While I respect Romney's right to keep this stuff private if he wants, his campaign's also gotta man up and deal with jokes and facetious faux-accusations at their expense if that's what they really want to go with.

I mean, come on, you took up a career in politics and you can't take an obvious joke you set up yourself?

DamnYankees: It's more of a GOP primary thing, though. What angle could the Dems take? Romney is actually pro-choice? So are they. Not a great line of attack for them. This is something Santorum should have been saying in the primaries, but now its sort of moot.

It's something you push in conservative areas, ideally in swing states, to depress Republican turnout. Romney is playing to the teabaggers because they still don't trust him.

my lip balm addiction: And Romney has never produced evidence of his claim that he "paid taxes every single year. A LOT of taxes" (the emphasis was his).

Also note how he said he's paid "taxes". Not "federal income tax", which is what is under discussion.

I'm sure he's paid a lot of payroll taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, state income taxes, taxes to foreign governments, etc. All true.

But we're going to find out he paid zero federal income taxes partly because he was able to write off the construction of his car elevator as a "business expense".

Keep it up Mitt. I'm not voting for you but I agree that you don't need to show anyone anything. How much you paid or didn't pay is between you and the government.

ManRay: Keep it up Mitt. I'm not voting for you but I agree that you don't need to show anyone anything. How much you paid or didn't pay is between you and the government.

Unfortunately, his father doesn't agree with either of you.

Smeggy Smurf: I want to see proof that Harry Reid isn't a pedophile and a rapist. I heard it from an unnamed source so it must be true.

I'm sure that Harry Reid would be happy to release copies of his criminal record to disprove this.

Mrbogey: James F. Campbell: Sunshine, Harry Reid doesn't even take a dump without consulting his sources first. He knows what's in those taxes. The fact that Romney hasn't released them even now means whatever's in there is bad. Real bad.

Keep being concerned, though.

I get a kick out of all the people who KNOW Harry Reid in this thread.

You know, John McCain hasn't called Reid a liar yet - why do you suppose that is?

Bungles: It's like the Democrats have finally learned from the last 20 years of Republican tactics. It hilarious watching the Republicans panic when the guns are firing at them this time.

The guns are not firing at Republicans, the guns are firing at Governor Romney. You know, based on his record, Romney is not really today's Republican.

Will the RNC ditch him soon?

Mrbogey: We'll see. I haven't seen politically neutral people talking about it all that much. I haven't seen an affect on polling so far that would indicate it.

Ostrich. Head. Sand.

Delay: Bungles: It's like the Democrats have finally learned from the last 20 years of Republican tactics. It hilarious watching the Republicans panic when the guns are firing at them this time.

The guns are not firing at Republicans, the guns are firing at Governor Romney. You know, based on his record, Romney is not really today's Republican.

Will the RNC ditch him soon?



So you're claiming that the current face of the Republican Party, and their nominee, is not a Republican?

That's like saying Obama wasn't a Democrat because he didn't support full-blooded union rights and gay marriage.

Mrbogey: Paul Baumer: You know, John McCain hasn't called Reid a liar yet - why do you suppose that is?

Uhhhhh...

"To accuse someone of doing something without a shred of proof-that the allegation has any substance-is really something I, frankly, don't understand,"- John McCain referring to Reid's allegation

McCain said Reid has no proof. Your move.

This is true. Because Reid doesn't physicaly HAVE the returns. You know who does? Mittens. Why didn't McCain says "he paid taxes, I've the seen the returns". Because he can't.

Mrbogey: Paul Baumer: You know, John McCain hasn't called Reid a liar yet - why do you suppose that is?

Uhhhhh...

"To accuse someone of doing something without a shred of proof-that the allegation has any substance-is really something I, frankly, don't understand,"- John McCain referring to Reid's allegation

McCain said Reid has no proof. Your move.


Because he knows his phonecall to Reid wasn't recorded?

Mrbogey: Paul Baumer: You know, John McCain hasn't called Reid a liar yet - why do you suppose that is?

Uhhhhh...

"To accuse someone of doing something without a shred of proof-that the allegation has any substance-is really something I, frankly, don't understand,"- John McCain referring to Reid's allegation

McCain said Reid has no proof. Your move.

Notice he didn't say he was lying.

ManRay: Keep it up Mitt. I'm not voting for you but I agree that you don't need to show anyone anything. How much you paid or didn't pay is between you and the government.

It absolutely is. But the tradeoff is that that secrecy privacy does nothing to build trust. Many people already view him as somewhat slippery. He seems to have a problem settling down with regards to policy, taking one side of an issue at one point, and a diametrically opposed position in as little as a few minutes later. Hell, he hasn't even been consistent with regards to releasing these returns. At one point he said he will, now he says he won't. And then states that the reason that he won't is because of the damaging information within. At the end of the day, Mitt's problem is one of trust. He asks us to trust him, but he offers no reason as to why we should. He has repeatedly been caught in lies. He tells us that he has plans for the future prosperity of the nation, but later, his handlers admit that it's more like plans to make plans. He claims that his experience as a businessman, Governor, and savior of the Olympics qualifies him to lead the country, but shrinks from any discussion of actual details of those qualifications. Trust is the real issue, and his records could go a long way in establishing or destroying that trust. That's why his father made such a big deal of the practice when he began the tradition. Trust. Ask yourself, would you buy a used car from this man? Can you trust him that much? But I agree, whether or not to release the returns is absolutely his call.

Mrbogey: Paul Baumer: You know, John McCain hasn't called Reid a liar yet - why do you suppose that is?

Uhhhhh...

"To accuse someone of doing something without a shred of proof-that the allegation has any substance-is really something I, frankly, don't understand,"- John McCain referring to Reid's allegation

McCain said Reid has no proof. Your move.

Easy - McCain did not say "Reid is not telling the truth" despite being in a position to know if he was. QED, like the dog in the nighttime, it's the lack of barking that is telling.

You really aren't very good at this sort of thing.

ManRay: Keep it up Mitt. I'm not voting for you but I agree that you don't need to show anyone anything. How much you paid or didn't pay is between you and the government.

Unfortunately, not even MITT agrees with you. In previous state elections, he's actually accused an opponent's spouse of hiding something because the spouse didn't release tax returns (while, at the same time, failing to release his own).

All those tax release comments in previous debates are going to make some interesting attack ads...

Bungles: "To accuse someone of doing something without a shred of proof-that the allegation has any substance-is really something I, frankly, don't understand,"- John McCain referring to Reid's allegation

Some other things that John McCain doesn't understand;

the internet
the economy
Sarah Palin
that it's not a good idea to call your wife a c*nt in public

Bungles: So you're claiming that the current face of the Republican Party, and their nominee, is not a Republican?

Dude,

Romney was pro choice in Mass.
Romney got something like $1.2 billion in government handouts as a lobbyist for the Utah Olympics.
Romney instituted Obamacare before it was Federal law.

Seriously, besides being white, Romney is mostly left of Obama.

Mrbogey: Waxing_Chewbacca: This is true. Because Reid doesn't physicaly HAVE the returns. You know who does? Mittens. Why didn't McCain says "he paid taxes, I've the seen the returns". Because he can't.

I purposefully truncated the article I got the quote from. Here's the rest...

McCain, whose 2008 presidential campaign reviewed Romney's tax records as they considered him to be the vice presidential running mate, said last month he can "personally vouch" that there was "nothing disqualifying" in the tax returns of the presumptive GOP presidential nominee.

Apparently unless McCain thinks that not paying any taxes would not be a negative then he's paid them enough to still be VP material.

"nothing disqualifying" can simply mean nothing illegal. The answer to "did mittens pay federal income taxes" is "yes" if you in fact have seen the returns and he did in fact pay taxes. If he didn't pay taxes for several years then the answer is something like "nothing disqualifying".