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(Washington Post)   Iraqi wedding parties can now ride in 34-foot long stretch Hummers; therefore, the US invasion was justified and George W. Bush should receive the Nobel Peace Prize   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 68
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2012-08-05 08:25:45 PM

Gnarwhal: Gyrfalcon: There are just people who use a very loose and highly inaccurate definition of "terrorism' and "war crimes". This is is one of them.

No. My reasoning is entirely sound and my view is shared by almost all members of our species that aren't American nationalists. An illegal war is a war crime. Kofi Annan, head of the UN at the time, agreed that Iraqi Freedumb was illegal. Richard Pearl, credited architect Iraqi Freedumb said it was illegal (but justified). "War crime" isn't a pejorative; it has a legal definition which Iraqi Freedumb clearly meets.


Read the UN resolutions that ended the first Iraqi war, and the ones that followed over the years, and the consequences of violating the stipulations of the resolutions. The Iraqi government violated them many many times and they skated for many many years, and that's completely disregarding the physical existence of WMDs entirely. Saddam postured to save face, and that posturing cost him his country and his life because it justified the war as far as the resolutions are concerned.
 
2012-08-05 08:31:27 PM

Gnarwhal: Gyrfalcon: There are just people who use a very loose and highly inaccurate definition of "terrorism' and "war crimes". This is is one of them.

No. My reasoning is entirely sound and my view is shared by almost all members of our species that aren't American nationalists. An illegal war is a war crime. Kofi Annan, head of the UN at the time, agreed that Iraqi Freedumb was illegal. Richard Pearl, credited architect Iraqi Freedumb said it was illegal (but justified). "War crime" isn't a pejorative; it has a legal definition which Iraqi Freedumb clearly meets.


It was a declared war; hence, it is not illegal.

Just because you don't like it--and god knows I didn't--doesn't make it de facto an illegal war.

And if you're looking at the current war crimes definition, then ANY military action--anywhere, any time and for any reason--must be a war crime; putting any humanitarian efforts in a very difficult position. You sure you want to go that route?
 
2012-08-05 08:38:47 PM
It was a declared war; hence, it is not illegal.

That's debate-able. Whether Iraqi Freedumb was legal under US law isn't as clear. It was clearly illegal under international law.

putting any humanitarian efforts in a very difficult position. You sure you want to go that route?

Absolutely. I hate interventionists with a hate that burns bridges. Foreign aid is domestic theft; anyone who wants to steal my livelihood at IRS gunpoint and hand it over to foreigners is my enemy.
 
2012-08-05 08:41:17 PM
Meanwhile our troops are still dying overseas and Code Pink, liberal "anti war" hippies, and the media are strangely silent.

Wonder why...

/not really
 
2012-08-05 08:53:11 PM
Are you referring to Bosnia under Clinton or Iraq under Bush?

Interventionism is terrorism when the people you are invading don't want you to. I totally agree that liberal American regimes have committed their share of interventionazi terrorist attacks. I get my knickers in a twist about Iraqi Freedumb because it just happened, and, as terrorist attacks go, it was unprecedentedly expensive and unsuccessful (therefore it's supporters ought to be especially ridiculed).
 
2012-08-05 09:08:23 PM

Gyrfalcon: Gnarwhal: Gyrfalcon: There are just people who use a very loose and highly inaccurate definition of "terrorism' and "war crimes". This is is one of them.

No. My reasoning is entirely sound and my view is shared by almost all members of our species that aren't American nationalists. An illegal war is a war crime. Kofi Annan, head of the UN at the time, agreed that Iraqi Freedumb was illegal. Richard Pearl, credited architect Iraqi Freedumb said it was illegal (but justified). "War crime" isn't a pejorative; it has a legal definition which Iraqi Freedumb clearly meets.

It was a declared war; hence, it is not illegal.

Just because you don't like it--and god knows I didn't--doesn't make it de facto an illegal


We've been on shaky legal ground for ages in that regard; our last FORMAL declaration of war, iirc, was against Bulgaria...in 1942.
 
2012-08-05 09:42:32 PM

Gyrfalcon: patent holder: coffee smells good: Gnarwhal: Occupation Oilraqi Freedumb was a terrorist attack and a war crime. Killing people that didn't do anything to you for political reasons, trying to intimidate a wider population into accepting your will and ideology is the essence terrorism -- whether you're wearing a bomb on your head or an army uniform. The main difference between neocons/Iraqi freetards and the Islamists is what they think the world should look like.

And I'm sorry but Oilraqi Fartdumb was an obvious war crime too. An unsuccessful war that you start is unnecessary war. An unnecessary war that you start is a war of aggression. Wars of aggression are war crimes. Perpetrators of war crimes are war criminals. Conclusion: Those demon-Cletuses that did that should go to prison for the rest of their lives.


Invading Kuwait, using WMDs on the Kurds.... Are you that stupid or just that young? Go into the archives if you want to relive that fight.


Are you referring to Bosnia under Clinton or Iraq under Bush? The libs gets their panties in a bunch over one but not the other.

Another young, stupid one, I see.



Once again a lib is unable to post a logical retort to a post and reverts to name calling.

Why don't you respond to the hypocritical double standard being pointed out?
 
2012-08-05 09:46:31 PM

coffee smells good: Gyrfalcon: patent holder: coffee smells good: Gnarwhal: Occupation Oilraqi Freedumb was a terrorist attack and a war crime. Killing people that didn't do anything to you for political reasons, trying to intimidate a wider population into accepting your will and ideology is the essence terrorism -- whether you're wearing a bomb on your head or an army uniform. The main difference between neocons/Iraqi freetards and the Islamists is what they think the world should look like.

And I'm sorry but Oilraqi Fartdumb was an obvious war crime too. An unsuccessful war that you start is unnecessary war. An unnecessary war that you start is a war of aggression. Wars of aggression are war crimes. Perpetrators of war crimes are war criminals. Conclusion: Those demon-Cletuses that did that should go to prison for the rest of their lives.


Invading Kuwait, using WMDs on the Kurds.... Are you that stupid or just that young? Go into the archives if you want to relive that fight.


Are you referring to Bosnia under Clinton or Iraq under Bush? The libs gets their panties in a bunch over one but not the other.

Another young, stupid one, I see.


Once again a lib is unable to post a logical retort to a post and reverts to name calling.

Why don't you respond to the hypocritical double standard being pointed out?


You're asking the wrong person, douchebag.

I don't believe in humanitarian war.
 
2012-08-05 10:20:18 PM
Gyrfalcon I don't believe in humanitarian war.

I'll A-men to that and I'm done.
 
2012-08-05 10:34:00 PM

Gnarwhal: Gyrfalcon I don't believe in humanitarian war.

I'll A-men to that and I'm done.


The guy biatching about war crimes doesn't believe in humanitarian war. Guess what, the war crimes you're biatching about are only war crimes because people thing war should be moderated by laws.
 
2012-08-05 11:36:33 PM
bhcompy The guy biatching about war crimes doesn't believe in humanitarian war. Guess what, the war crimes you're biatching about are only war crimes because people thing war should be moderated by laws.

Iraqi Freedumb could be called a war crime because it's perpetrators bombed and shot a quarter million people death (or caused that) for reasons other then self defense (petroleum, fear and ignorance, lucrative contracts). Even if there were no written laws about war, I would still believe Iraqi Freedumb to be a war crime in a moral sense -- because it violates the basic common-sense moral rule of not killing other humans unless you absolutely must protect yourself from serious injury or death (and clearly that wasn't the case).
 
2012-08-05 11:59:31 PM
the war crimes you're biatching about are only war crimes because people thing war should be moderated by laws...

And I am a firm believed in the Golden Rule of morality. It was a terrorist atrocity when the neocons and their enablers invaded Iraq and killed so many, in an effort force their will on people that just didn't want them to. It would be a terrorist atrocity if the Iraqis launched an Operation American Freedumb to do the same to us.

And I think you're a racist. You think because they have brown skin and unpronounceable names you can collect a quarter million of their skulls and just dismiss that a statistic, or something minimally regrettable. Those were our relatives that were murdered by Iraqi Freedumb. A billion years since the dawn of life we have had exactly the same bloodline as the Iraqis--the same mothers for unimaginable generations--only to diverge some tens of thousands of years ago. You don't care about Iraqi Freedumb's dead and raped and maimed because you don't understand your commonality with them. Those were your great-aunts 500 times removed, your little cousins 623 times removed that were murdered and raped to death in Iraq because of Oilraqi Faildumb. None of that had to happen. Saddam was a Stalinist dictator; all you had to do change his regime was capture or kill him (and I don't believe for a second the they did that when he was hiding in a hole, but couldn't find him when he was single-handedly running a country). The bullet and bomb makers bribed those demon congressmen into making Iraqi Freedumb an invasion so they could make sales, when that's last thing that would have been moral or skillful. Iraqi Freedumb was a profit motive atrocity--there's no way to defend it; assassination would have achieved an infinitely better result without wasting a trillion dollars of our working lives and killing so many of our relatives.

/Obviously they didn't want to free Iraq -- they wanted to control it.
 
2012-08-06 12:28:05 AM
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read it.

Amazing Grace was written by a slave trader that ultimately understood his wickedness and repented. Major General Smedley Butler (who was the most highly decorated US Marine in history) wrote this book when he too, at the end of his life, understood that he had ever acted for heinous financial interests.
 
2012-08-06 01:44:38 AM

Gnarwhal: the war crimes you're biatching about are only war crimes because people thing war should be moderated by laws...

And I am a firm believed in the Golden Rule of morality. It was a terrorist atrocity when the neocons and their enablers invaded Iraq and killed so many, in an effort force their will on people that just didn't want them to. It would be a terrorist atrocity if the Iraqis launched an Operation American Freedumb to do the same to us.

And I think you're a racist. You think because they have brown skin and unpronounceable names you can collect a quarter million of their skulls and just dismiss that a statistic, or something minimally regrettable. Those were our relatives that were murdered by Iraqi Freedumb. A billion years since the dawn of life we have had exactly the same bloodline as the Iraqis--the same mothers for unimaginable generations--only to diverge some tens of thousands of years ago. You don't care about Iraqi Freedumb's dead and raped and maimed because you don't understand your commonality with them. Those were your great-aunts 500 times removed, your little cousins 623 times removed that were murdered and raped to death in Iraq because of Oilraqi Faildumb. None of that had to happen. Saddam was a Stalinist dictator; all you had to do change his regime was capture or kill him (and I don't believe for a second the they did that when he was hiding in a hole, but couldn't find him when he was single-handedly running a country). The bullet and bomb makers bribed those demon congressmen into making Iraqi Freedumb an invasion so they could make sales, when that's last thing that would have been moral or skillful. Iraqi Freedumb was a profit motive atrocity--there's no way to defend it; assassination would have achieved an infinitely better result without wasting a trillion dollars of our working lives and killing so many of our relatives.

/Obviously they didn't want to free Iraq -- they wanted to control it.


1) Arab isn't a race. Old Man Biff disapproves of your misuse of the English language.
2) Wars have casualties. It's extremely unfortunate, but it's life. That is why "war is hell."
3) Life is inherently unfair.
4) Saddam violated UN resolutions and mandates because he thought that the UN was a paper tiger when the resolutions had hard consequences(like war). Eventually you reap the consequences of those kinds of actions.
5) The bulk of the people are dying not from American bombs and bullets, but from fellow Iraqis.
 
2012-08-06 01:54:02 AM

bhcompy: Gnarwhal: Gyrfalcon I don't believe in humanitarian war.

I'll A-men to that and I'm done.

The guy biatching about war crimes doesn't believe in humanitarian war. Guess what, the war crimes you're biatching about are only war crimes because people thing war should be moderated by laws.


War has two laws: Treat enemy prisoners well, and don't deliberately kill civilians. After that, the only rules of war have to do with achieving victory in the shortest amount of time with the fewest number of deaths.
 
2012-08-06 09:11:25 AM
>George W. Bush should receive the Nobel Peace Prize

He deserves it more than the Dog Eater. This is certain.
 
2012-08-06 02:54:18 PM
Book early, usually very busy on prom night:
 
2012-08-06 02:56:11 PM
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What a stretch hummer might look like
 
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