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(Games Industry International)   This week in news that surprises absolutely no one: The Playstation Vita is a complete flop   (gamesindustry.biz) divider line 82
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2012-08-05 12:29:10 PM
Some small level of vindication for the first-generation PlayStation I bought that had the faulty laser.
 
2012-08-05 12:43:15 PM
It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats and brought out, oh I don't know, NEW GAMES.
 
2012-08-05 01:22:55 PM
No shiat

People are happy with playing games on their mobile phone/tablet.

What the consumer wants is for Sony and Microsoft to introduce next generation consoles.

XBox360 and PS3 were released in 2006. Technology has improved DRASTICALLY since then.
 
2012-08-05 02:12:36 PM

cman: No shiat

People are happy with playing games on their mobile phone/tablet


But the 3DS is is selling well. In fact, it's off to a better start than the original DS, which was one of the most successful handheld systems of all time.

The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.
 
2012-08-05 02:17:14 PM
No good games = handheld fail.
 
2012-08-05 02:17:53 PM

Doc Daneeka: cman: No shiat

People are happy with playing games on their mobile phone/tablet

But the 3DS is is selling well. In fact, it's off to a better start than the original DS, which was one of the most successful handheld systems of all time.

The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.


Even nintendo had issues till a $70 price drop. The vita could really, REALLY use one as well. It's a damn fine handheld, but it's hard to recommend it at the current price point.
 
2012-08-05 02:20:42 PM

dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats and brought out, oh I don't know, NEW GAMES.


The damn cards killed so much of the hype for it. They really need to get the pice of them down to SD card levels, or as close to it as possible.

Games wise things are slow, but the library is pretty diverse. No monster hunter is killing it in japan though. Currently finishing up Gravity rush and looking forward to persona 4 the golden. After that, i'm really not sure, but that's a problem i'm having on pretty much every platform right now. Beyond Borderlands and gw2, i'm not seeing anything that screams buy me the rest of the year.
 
2012-08-05 02:20:48 PM
I actually just reserved the Assassin's Creed III Liberation Vita bundle the other day.
 
2012-08-05 02:37:28 PM

cman: No shiat

People are happy with playing games on their mobile phone/tablet.

What the consumer wants is for Sony and Microsoft to introduce next generation consoles.

XBox360 and PS3 were released in 2006. Technology has improved DRASTICALLY since then.


Exactly this, every kid has moved on to phones in restaurants when 5-6 years ago every kid had a gameboy or something like that.
 
paj
2012-08-05 02:37:30 PM
Never heard of it.
 
2012-08-05 02:41:00 PM
It's really sad. It's a really great piece of hardware, and that makes me want to support it. But Sony REALLY dropped the ball on marketing this thing to everyone- consumers (including hardcore gamers), developers, and publishers. So now no developers are making games for it, and so consumers like me aren't going to buy it. Even the hardcore really have no reason to buy one at this point. You would think Sony would have learned with the failure of the PSP in the Western markets, but they very obviously didn't, and now Vita is failing even in Japan.
 
2012-08-05 02:42:44 PM
I really don't understand what all the fuss was about this thing. It was basically the PSP with a few new bells and even fewer new games. At this point, it feels like Sony is only in this for the sake of a fight. They got their pound of flesh with Blu Ray and now they're just getting lazy.

...er
 
2012-08-05 02:42:55 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Some small level of vindication for the first-generation PlayStation I bought that had the faulty laser.


Me too, but I also had a day-1 PS2 that is still working. It's a little loud and can't read dirty games as well, but still function. I think because I rarely used it as a DVD player, which killed so many before their times.

Sony is a horrible company, run by greedy, crooked idiots. They have taken their fans for granted too long.

As a PS1 and 2 owner, I never once considered a PS3 or PSP. After the root kit, they can diaf.

They and countless game makers are killing themselves though. We are overdue for a huge videogame crash. They will blame the economy and handheld games (which are a small part for certain), but ultimately they did it to themselves.
 
2012-08-05 02:48:35 PM

cman: No shiat

People are happy with playing games on their mobile phone/tablet.

What the consumer wants is for Sony and Microsoft to introduce next generation consoles.

XBox360 and PS3 were released in 2006. Technology has improved DRASTICALLY since then.


The article is all about buzz and marketing when the heart of the matter is that consumers want new, drastically improved, next generation consoles. They don't care if the console has a slimmer profile or if it's a surprise. It just has to be more powerful and well built. It's just hardware and it's been six years since the last upgrade.
 
2012-08-05 02:48:37 PM

dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats ....


This is behind every Sony Failure since Betamax. CD and DVD worked for them because they joined up with other industry big players, ditto Blu Ray. Each time they went it alone they crashed and burned. Elcaset, MiniDisc, Memory Stick, ATRAC, SDDS and so on.

Maybe 3.5 inch floppies and Video8 camcorders are the exceptions.
 
2012-08-05 02:48:39 PM
I recently bought my very first PS2 at Goodwill for $16.

When I can do that with a PS3, then I'll finally own a PS3.
 
hej
2012-08-05 02:50:39 PM

dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats [..]


Doc Daneeka: The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.


Those. I've gotten tired of Sony as a company. It's unfortunate that there are actually a few interesting looking games for the Vita, because I've resolved not to buy it before it hit the store.
 
2012-08-05 02:59:45 PM

hej: dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats [..]

Doc Daneeka: The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.

Those. I've gotten tired of Sony as a company. It's unfortunate that there are actually a few interesting looking games for the Vita, because I've resolved not to buy it before it hit the store.


like TFA said, the 3DS has sold 20 million units. It may not be the overwhelming success that the DS initially was, but there is a pretty damn big user base there. Throw in backward compatibility, don't go apesh*t with the proprietary bullsh*t, and you'll get the sales.
 
2012-08-05 03:04:40 PM

Nemo's Brother: Me too, but I also had a day-1 PS2 that is still working. It's a little loud and can't read dirty games as well, but still function. I think because I rarely used it as a DVD player, which killed so many before their times.


Ahhh... that would do it. I stopped gaming after the PS1, but I can see why DVD playing would do a number on the PS2s.


Nemo's Brother: Sony is a horrible company, run by greedy, crooked idiots. They have taken their fans for granted too long.

As a PS1 and 2 owner, I never once considered a PS3 or PSP. After the root kit, they can diaf.


That's the impression I got. I mean, I quit gaming anyway, so it was a moot point, but... meh.


Nemo's Brother: They and countless game makers are killing themselves though. We are overdue for a huge videogame crash.


I hope it's brought about by an update of the E.T Atari game.

You know, for that full circle thing.
 
2012-08-05 03:09:26 PM
Poor sales because people have decided in droves to instead spend their time actually doing something useful, perhaps even making a friend, rather than waste their existences killing imaginary leprechauns using their fingers. Durrr.
 
2012-08-05 03:12:23 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: hej: dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats [..]

Doc Daneeka: The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.

Those. I've gotten tired of Sony as a company. It's unfortunate that there are actually a few interesting looking games for the Vita, because I've resolved not to buy it before it hit the store.

like TFA said, the 3DS has sold 20 million units. It may not be the overwhelming success that the DS initially was, but there is a pretty damn big user base there. Throw in backward compatibility, don't go apesh*t with the proprietary bullsh*t, and you'll get the sales.


Considering the previous units sold like 5 times that amount then even the 3DS is close to a failure. If I go to a boss and say our new product is only going to sell 1/5th of what the last one sold he will either fire you on the spot or send you to a psychiatrist for observation.
 
2012-08-05 03:18:26 PM

Antimatter: dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats and brought out, oh I don't know, NEW GAMES.

The damn cards killed so much of the hype for it. They really need to get the pice of them down to SD card levels, or as close to it as possible.

Games wise things are slow, but the library is pretty diverse. No monster hunter is killing it in japan though. Currently finishing up Gravity rush and looking forward to persona 4 the golden. After that, i'm really not sure, but that's a problem i'm having on pretty much every platform right now. Beyond Borderlands and gw2, i'm not seeing anything that screams buy me the rest of the year.


The Colonial Marines by Gearbox looks amazing too, just saying....
 
2012-08-05 03:24:40 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Nemo's Brother: Me too, but I also had a day-1 PS2 that is still working. It's a little loud and can't read dirty games as well, but still function. I think because I rarely used it as a DVD player, which killed so many before their times.

Ahhh... that would do it. I stopped gaming after the PS1, but I can see why DVD playing would do a number on the PS2s.


Nemo's Brother: Sony is a horrible company, run by greedy, crooked idiots. They have taken their fans for granted too long.

As a PS1 and 2 owner, I never once considered a PS3 or PSP. After the root kit, they can diaf.

That's the impression I got. I mean, I quit gaming anyway, so it was a moot point, but... meh.


Nemo's Brother: They and countless game makers are killing themselves though. We are overdue for a huge videogame crash.

I hope it's brought about by an update of the E.T Atari game.

You know, for that full circle thing.


That would actually be pretty poetic. I'm sure Hollywood is itching to 're-image' ET. Maybe it will still happen. I'm hoping a Michael Bay movie translation ultimately does it.
 
2012-08-05 03:26:08 PM
I'll pick up a used Vita in a few years once it's 100% hacked, maybe.
I see no reason until then to replace my PSP 2000.
 
2012-08-05 03:29:58 PM
My handheld gaming console also makes phone calls and lets me check my email.
 
2012-08-05 03:30:51 PM
Nice Sony hit piece. The Vita isn't even core business and this guy acts like Sony should just pack it in for their gaming division altogether.

cman: No shiat

People are happy with playing games on their mobile phone/tablet.

What the consumer wants is for Sony and Microsoft to introduce next generation consoles.

XBox360 and PS3 were released in 2006. Technology has improved DRASTICALLY since then.


That's not what the consumer wants, that's what the consumer believes based off what they're being told by everyone.

There's been all sorts of FUD spread by gaming/technology news about how the consoles are well past their prime and that the games are derivative and that somehow a new console will fix all their woes.

Here's a small sampling of excellent games, mostly top of the all time lists for that console or console games in general that came out well in to what people are considering the "twilight" years of a console:
-God of War came out 5 years after the PS2 launched, and God of War 2, which is considered in the top 5 games released for the PS2, came out 7 years after the console debuted.
-Metal Gear Solid came out 4 years after the release of the PSX
-Gran Turismo 2, probably the best console racer not named WipeOut XL ever, came out almost 5 years to the day after the release of the PSX
-Shadow of the Colossus came out 5 and half years after the release of the PS2
-Okami came out 6 years after the release of the PS2
 
2012-08-05 03:31:41 PM
Poor sales because maybe people are finally getting sick and tired of the crap these developers spew at them again and again. I watched my brother buy a Vita and watched it collect dust in the basement along with the other sony garbage he bought into. It makes me sick to see the big money game designers like EA and Activision reduced to such garbage these days. I still look fondly at the good old days of the late 80's and early 90's game development when designers weren't afraid of such feeble 8 and 16-bit graphic restrictions and created their own masterpieces regardless of the current trends. And better yet, the people who made the decisions actually gave them a chance to sell that game abroad instead of editing the fark out of it and taking surveys and focus grouping and statistics and ultimately deciding not to fund the game.

Nemo's Brother:
Sony is a horrible company, run by greedy, crooked idiots. They have taken their fans for granted too long.

As a PS1 and 2 owner, I never once considered a PS3 or PSP. After the root kit, they can diaf.

They and countless game makers are killing themselves though. We are overdue for a huge videogame crash. They will blame the economy and handheld games (which are a small part for certain), but ultimately they did it to themselves.


This, but I'd put it in even broader terms for the entire industry. It's just changed so much now, I just can't deal with the crap they spew out that they call video games these days. Over half of the DS video games are casual pink-labeled garbage and the rest are Zynga ports. There has been a few gems here and there, but the variety and quantity that filled video game stores in the past just arent there any more. All Miyamoto has to do is collect all the old NES or SNES licenses and release a handheld that contained all of the NES or SNES games ever produced, and I'd buy twenty. The Supaboy was a good start, but with todays tech we could easily have them all built in, instead of having to find the old cartridges. But alas, we live in a world with lawyers.
 
2012-08-05 03:32:02 PM

steamingpile: Considering the previous units sold like 5 times that amount then even the 3DS is close to a failure. If I go to a boss and say our new product is only going to sell 1/5th of what the last one sold he will either fire you on the spot or send you to a psychiatrist for observation.


Comparing the lifetime cumulative sales of a system that's been out 8 years to one that's been out for 18 months isn't rational. The 3DS is tracking very close to where the DS was at this point. It's likely to fall behind the DS unless some new Brain Training/Nintendogs phenomenon takes hold, but sales are hardly disappointing.

As has been said, Sony just sucks because they couldn't migrate the modest PSP userbase to the Vita at all and 3rd parties are starting to jump ship.
 
2012-08-05 03:42:43 PM

cman: XBox360 and PS3 were released in 2006.


Oh god, has it been six years since the PS3 came out? WTF father time?
 
2012-08-05 04:10:51 PM
BudTheSpud: All Miyamoto has to do is collect all the old NES or SNES licenses and release a handheld that contained all of the NES or SNES games ever produced, and I'd buy twenty.

Let me clue you in to a reason the 3DS is selling...

/turns off fark, goes back to playing Mario
 
2012-08-05 04:12:24 PM
Doc Daneeka:
The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.


Sony doesn't suck. They just can't seem to understand that commercial viability is completely different than quality.

Nintendo has had some of their greatest commercial success with shiatty game systems (Wii/DS/3DS).
 
2012-08-05 04:22:16 PM
I really really really want to have a farking Vita. There are like five or six good games that completely justify its existence and a couple more coming out soon. My PSP is sitting somewhere gathering dust though.
 
2012-08-05 04:30:10 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Nemo's Brother: They and countless game makers are killing themselves though. We are overdue for a huge videogame crash.

I hope it's brought about by an update of the E.T Atari game.

You know, for that full circle thing.


In totally unrelated news, Sony has announced a release date of 23 October for PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royal, a fighting game for the Vita and PS3 which is in absolutely no way, shape or form whatsoever a cheap knock-off of a certain popular franchise on one of their competitors' systems.
 
2012-08-05 04:39:11 PM
images.eurogamer.net

WTF? Is that supposed to resemble a blow-up doll? 'Cause, it does, and it's creepy.
 
2012-08-05 04:45:43 PM
Nemo's Brother: They and countless game makers are killing themselves though. We are overdue for a huge videogame crash. They will blame the economy and handheld games

Don't forget to blame the used game market as well.

The used game market that even existed back in the NES days with funcoland and its ilk.

If they didn't kill gaming from the NES era through the SNES, N64 and Gamecube eras, why are they an issue now?
 
2012-08-05 04:56:30 PM
Playstation fans complain to Sony constantly via the PS Blog about the things they want, and most of these things are pretty reasonable. But Sony's always had a too cool for school approach to things, and they act like they know better and refuse to listen to anything consumers have to say. Hell, if they'd just authorize the entire library of already-released PS1 and PS2 games to run on the Vita and price them around the same prices at the mobile games (0.99 to 4.99), they'd make a killing.

Sony's biggest problem is that they release platforms and then find themselves competing with other areas of their company. The Playstation console brand itself is pretty insular, but the Vita is competing with the tablet division, the cell phone division and the licensing division for attention. Sony won't pour its resources into things that would make the platform attractive (like free/cheap mobile media, free games or non-proprietary memory sticks) because they're a company that's built to wring the money out of everything they own. They want to be a premium brand, but they're in a world where the name SONY doesn't mean much anymore and where they're trying to charge too much for too little.

I mean, the very fact that every PS1 game on the PSN isn't 99 cents despite being long past the point of premium profitability tells you something about the way Sony thinks. If they'd lower their prices on the software, all of the Playstation faithful would load up on the classics just to have them and they'd make a ton of money.
 
2012-08-05 05:25:52 PM
lordargent: Nemo's Brother: They and countless game makers are killing themselves though. We are overdue for a huge videogame crash. They will blame the economy and handheld games

Don't forget to blame the used game market as well.

The used game market that even existed back in the NES days with funcoland and its ilk.

If they didn't kill gaming from the NES era through the SNES, N64 and Gamecube eras, why are they an issue now?


To be fair, it only took $1M and a few months to pop out NES classics. A big time AAA game can cost as much as a summer tent pole movie and may take a few years to make.
 
2012-08-05 05:56:18 PM
I've had a strong hatred for the Playstation handhelds ever since Valkyria Chronicles got taken away from the PS3 and marooned on them.

I loved the DS, but I'm holding off on the 3DS until a re-release that has both better battery life and a second stick built-in. Hopefully they'll have a good library by then, too.
 
2012-08-05 05:59:29 PM

SevenizGud: Poor sales because people have decided in droves to instead spend their time actually doing something useful, perhaps even making a friend, rather than waste their existences killing imaginary leprechauns using their fingers. Durrr.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-05 06:12:14 PM
My Vita is kinda collecting dust as well. I have some of the worth buying titles, but for some reason, its just not appealing to me. Its great that you can play PSP games on it. But the fact that its like the PSP Go, its farking greedy unless you've never owned a PSP to begin with like myself. Whats pissing me off the most is that all the PSOne Classics aren't playable on it. Granted with a coming firmware ver 1.80 it'll supposedly be possible, but the current is 1.69. And who the hell knows when they'll hit 1.80 or if they'll push it back even further. Thats one of the biggest gripes that people had at launch and theres no reason why it couldn't have been included then as well rather than a stance of "we don't know when or even if we'll put that compatibility on the Vita"
 
2012-08-05 06:17:26 PM
Doc Daneeka:

The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.


Handhelds are a niche market, so are "hardcore gamers". Overlap is even less. Doesn't take a genius to realize the target for hardware like the PSV is going to be very small, and it needs to be priced just right to even have a chance.

Sony really dropped the ball. They should have had their own PSN gaming app store up and running (allowing anyone to create for it) similar to android/apple marketplace. The device should have also been 100% integrated with the PS3 from the start, zero % propitiatory, and able to do what the WiiU is planning on doing, in addition to doing 100% mobile gaming of PS3 titles.

Sony is Japanese, and the Japanese hardware entertainment industry apparently doesn't understand web 2.0, social media, or how to synergize technology across company divisions.
 
2012-08-05 06:17:47 PM
As far as I care to see, the market for the PSP/Vita doesn't even exist. My brother-in-law bought me a PSP a few years ago; I had no desire to even open the box. I eventually gave it to his kid, so no money wasted, I guess.
 
2012-08-05 06:25:12 PM
Back in February, i got a big bonus from work, had some $$ burning a hole in my pocket, and grabbed a Vita as an impulse buy. Played it for a month (mostly Hot Shots Golf) but haven't even turned it on since May. It's basically a $300 doorstop at this point. I even tried to sell it on Craigs List and the best offer I got was $125 for the system, 4 games, and an 8GB memory card.

Shame, as it's actually a pretty cool system but there are simply no interesting games. At all. I was hoping there would be a few things announced at E3, but it was pretty much silence there as well. The PSP had a similar slow start and ended up with some truly fantastic games during its lifespan. I'm holding out hope that the Vita can do the same, but my guess is that the Vita will just die a slow death.
 
2012-08-05 06:25:50 PM
red5ish:

The article is all about buzz and marketing when the heart of the matter is that consumers want new, drastically improved, next generation consoles. They don't care if the console has a slimmer profile or if it's a surprise. It just has to be more powerful and well built. It's just hardware and it's been six years since the last upgrade.


Nah.

Hardcore gamers who obsess about graphics and are feeling put down by taunts from the master race, want that.

But the numbers are in, and most people are fine with the good enough graphics out there now. COD didn't become a $3 billion dollar franchise this generation because it had the best graphics. The biggest issue right now is Dev costs, and moving to a new platform isn't going to help that much unless there's a drastic change in support from MS/Sony. Dev costs have been bleeding the industry dry, and likewise it's been leading to a lot of cookie cutter copycats. secularsage: Playstation fans complain to Sony constantly via the PS Blog about the things they want, and most of these things are pretty reasonable. But Sony's always had a too cool for school approach to things, and they act like they know better and refuse to listen to anything consumers have to say. Hell, if they'd just authorize the entire library of already-released PS1 and PS2 games to run on the Vita and price them around the same prices at the mobile games (0.99 to 4.99), they'd make a killing.

Sony's biggest problem is that they release platforms and then find themselves competing with other areas of their company. The Playstation console brand itself is pretty insular, but the Vita is competing with the tablet division, the cell phone division and the licensing division for attention. Sony won't pour its resources into things that would make the platform attractive (like free/cheap mobile media, free games or non-proprietary memory sticks) because they're a company that's built to wring the money out of everything they own. They want to be a premium brand, but they're in a world where the name SONY doesn't mean much anymore and where they're trying to charge too much for too little.

I mean, the very fact that every PS1 game on the PSN isn't 99 cents despite being long past the point of premium profitability tells you something about the way Sony thinks. If they'd lower their prices on the software, all of the Playstation faithful would load up on the classics just to have them and they'd make a ton of money.


Not to mention the Sony/BMG media lawyers are the ones that run the company now. Sony took a dive once they started influencing the other areas of the corporation, trying to figure out how to incorporate their models into the hardware areas. It's been disastrous. The Playstation division was the only area of the company to report profits last year, and they've been kicking it around into other divisions to make losses seem better.
 
2012-08-05 06:27:30 PM

HumanSnatcher: My Vita is kinda collecting dust as well. I have some of the worth buying titles, but for some reason, its just not appealing to me. Its great that you can play PSP games on it. But the fact that its like the PSP Go, its farking greedy unless you've never owned a PSP to begin with like myself. Whats pissing me off the most is that all the PSOne Classics aren't playable on it. Granted with a coming firmware ver 1.80 it'll supposedly be possible, but the current is 1.69. And who the hell knows when they'll hit 1.80 or if they'll push it back even further. Thats one of the biggest gripes that people had at launch and theres no reason why it couldn't have been included then as well rather than a stance of "we don't know when or even if we'll put that compatibility on the Vita"


I don't know why Sony can't do it, the hackers have had PSOne games running through half byte loader for some time now.
Maybe Sony just doesn't know how much they should overcharge for the games yet.

http://wololo.net/2012/05/19/psx-games-running-on-the-ps-vita-through - a-hack/
 
2012-08-05 06:35:32 PM
bhcompy:

That's not what the consumer wants, that's what the consumer believes based off what they're being told by everyone.

There's been all sorts of FUD spread by gaming/technology news about how the consoles are well past their prime and that the games are derivative and that somehow a new console will fix all their woes.

Here's a small sampling of excellent games, mostly top of the all time lists for that console or console games in general that came out well in to what people are considering the "twilight" years of a console:
-God of War came out 5 years after the PS2 launched, and God of War 2, which is considered in the top 5 games released for the PS2, came out 7 years after the console debuted.
-Metal Gear Solid came out 4 years after the release of the PSX
-Gran Turismo 2, probably the best console racer not named WipeOut XL ever, came out almost 5 years to the day after the release of the PSX
-Shadow of the Colossus came out 5 and half years after the release of the PS2
-Okami came out 6 years after the release of the PS2


Yup. The hardcore want it, but it's only because the PC master race has been pointing to their tech and calling the console hardcore names.

Some big publishers are pushing for a console reboot, because it does wipe the slate clean. The idea being they have a chance to "be it" next gen, ala get a IP rocking like COD that entraps a whole console generation of consumers. It's not about making better games, just being the first to have "it". Being the first to the new Goldeneye/Halo/Gears/COD.

Devs absolutely don't want it. They drowning as is in costs, and new consoles are just more dev costs. The technology jumps ain't going to be worth it, and they're just now finding a nice balance with current gen. Publisher's meanwhile are ordering up too much copycat shovel-ware, and flooding the market with too many titles. They think following Activision is a good thing. A new console ain't going to help.

Two big things need to happen next gen, or there's most likely going to be a industry crash. They need to find a way to create a marketplace where regular joe's can create entertaining games and sell them, and they need to heavily invest in much better development tools and standardization. Building engines and education programmers and needed thousand of more man hours in asset production is not cheap. Prices are going to rise, or console manufactures are going to have to step in to help.
 
2012-08-05 06:58:34 PM

secularsage: . Hell, if they'd just authorize the entire library of already-released PS1 and PS2 games to run on the Vita and price them around the same prices at the mobile games (0.99 to 4.99), they'd make a killing.
.


Seriously, I just bought Legend of Mana off PSN for $4.99, and I'd pay for Tenchu 1 and 2 if they were available. Thinking about FFVII, but it eats up an insane amount of memory and we all know that's not free.

Still, i like the fact that I can play PS1 RPG's on my PSP while watching baseball/football (or recently, the olympics). once the Vita's capable I might look into it.
 
2012-08-05 07:25:55 PM

King Something: In totally unrelated news, Sony has announced a release date of 23 October for PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royal, a fighting game for the Vita and PS3 which is in absolutely no way, shape or form whatsoever a cheap knock-off of a certain popular franchise on one of their competitors' systems.


*snert*

That sounds about par for the course, doesn't it?


lordargent: The used game market that even existed back in the NES days with funcoland and its ilk.


OH GOD, FUNCOLAND

I remember that joint.

*shudders*


Nemo's Brother: That would actually be pretty poetic. I'm sure Hollywood is itching to 're-image' ET. Maybe it will still happen. I'm hoping a Michael Bay movie translation ultimately does it.


Uwe Boll, man.

If you're going to cause a collapse of stylistic suck, you might as well go all in.
 
2012-08-05 07:46:48 PM
I've got a psp.

I don't use it. I would love to be able to hook it into my ps3 and play games on the big screen, because I don't do enough traveling to use the bloody thing otherwise, and I'm not going to sit fiddling with the 1 inch screen while I have a 50" TV or a 30" monitor to do other things on, and can be much more comfortable in the process.

The vita just looked like a mass collection of features from other handhelds I've tried and hated, with proprietary memory and lockdown in the bundle. I might get one when they drop to 10$, but really, I'm just not interested in the thing. But I loathe touch screen games that attempt to be 'real' games and still use the touchscreen. I also loathe motion games that make me wiggle a stick etc. so I've avoided the Wii. Great mechanics for certain types of games (sports, angry birds, etc.) but I typically veer more to the rpg/shooter/action aisle, which means the touchscreen nonsense, and the wiggle a stick to spin attack hoopla, just irritated the piss out of me. I spent more time fumbling for my stylus, taking my hand off the control to do something and getting smacked for it, clearing grease stains off touchscreens because it's 100+ out and I'm sweating like a stuck pig but the iphone can't read my touches because of the salt/water I'm leaving, etc. than enjoying the game.

Maybe I'm just too set in my ways. I'm not railing against the dieing of the industry, I'm just getting older, and finding less interest in games as a whole. Especially when they require constant updating, subscriptions, DLC, and always want to find ways to nickel and dime me with stuff.
 
2012-08-05 08:17:46 PM

steamingpile: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: hej: dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats [..]

Doc Daneeka: The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.

Those. I've gotten tired of Sony as a company. It's unfortunate that there are actually a few interesting looking games for the Vita, because I've resolved not to buy it before it hit the store.

like TFA said, the 3DS has sold 20 million units. It may not be the overwhelming success that the DS initially was, but there is a pretty damn big user base there. Throw in backward compatibility, don't go apesh*t with the proprietary bullsh*t, and you'll get the sales.

Considering the previous units sold like 5 times that amount then even the 3DS is close to a failure. If I go to a boss and say our new product is only going to sell 1/5th of what the last one sold he will either fire you on the spot or send you to a psychiatrist for observation.


The 3DS is selling better than the original DS was at the same point in its life cycle.

The 3DS is far from a failure.
 
2012-08-05 08:23:41 PM

secularsage: Playstation fans complain to Sony constantly via the PS Blog about the things they want, and most of these things are pretty reasonable. But Sony's always had a too cool for school approach to things, and they act like they know better and refuse to listen to anything consumers have to say. Hell, if they'd just authorize the entire library of already-released PS1 and PS2 games to run on the Vita and price them around the same prices at the mobile games (0.99 to 4.99), they'd make a killing.

Sony's biggest problem is that they release platforms and then find themselves competing with other areas of their company. The Playstation console brand itself is pretty insular, but the Vita is competing with the tablet division, the cell phone division and the licensing division for attention. Sony won't pour its resources into things that would make the platform attractive (like free/cheap mobile media, free games or non-proprietary memory sticks) because they're a company that's built to wring the money out of everything they own. They want to be a premium brand, but they're in a world where the name SONY doesn't mean much anymore and where they're trying to charge too much for too little.

I mean, the very fact that every PS1 game on the PSN isn't 99 cents despite being long past the point of premium profitability tells you something about the way Sony thinks. If they'd lower their prices on the software, all of the Playstation faithful would load up on the classics just to have them and they'd make a ton of money.


Nintendo doesn't charge that little ether, and some of those games are 25 years or older. most psone titles are like, $5, minus a few developers like Square that charge $9.
 
2012-08-05 08:25:31 PM
When they announced that not only could the Vita not play UMD discs, but it also could not play PSP games at all, I lost all interest.

Then they patched it so it could play some PSP games, but you had to buy them again. And I got e-mails from some companies like Atlus saying "come on, re-buy our PSP games! They are on sale!" I lost interest in ever touching a Vita.

So whatever Sony's business plan was, it didn't work.

//Just bought 2 new PSP games.
///Growlanser FTW!!!!
 
2012-08-05 08:26:21 PM

Endrick: HumanSnatcher: My Vita is kinda collecting dust as well. I have some of the worth buying titles, but for some reason, its just not appealing to me. Its great that you can play PSP games on it. But the fact that its like the PSP Go, its farking greedy unless you've never owned a PSP to begin with like myself. Whats pissing me off the most is that all the PSOne Classics aren't playable on it. Granted with a coming firmware ver 1.80 it'll supposedly be possible, but the current is 1.69. And who the hell knows when they'll hit 1.80 or if they'll push it back even further. Thats one of the biggest gripes that people had at launch and theres no reason why it couldn't have been included then as well rather than a stance of "we don't know when or even if we'll put that compatibility on the Vita"

I don't know why Sony can't do it, the hackers have had PSOne games running through half byte loader for some time now.
Maybe Sony just doesn't know how much they should overcharge for the games yet.

http://wololo.net/2012/05/19/psx-games-running-on-the-ps-vita-through - a-hack/


It's not running them native, it's running the psone emulator in the psp emulator. Keep in mind, the vitas resolution is 4 times that of the psp, and the psp played psone games at their native res, which is even smaller. Without doing something about that first, psone games would look like postage stamps.

There is no additional charge for psone games on the vita once the patch hits, you just have to redown the psvita compatable versions.
 
2012-08-05 08:27:26 PM

Antimatter: Nintendo doesn't charge that little ether, and some of those games are 25 years or older. most psone titles are like, $5, minus a few developers like Square that charge $9.


For the record, the early FF game re-releases for DS and GBA were $30 at release.
 
2012-08-05 08:29:15 PM

ModernLuddite: When they announced that not only could the Vita not play UMD discs, but it also could not play PSP games at all, I lost all interest.

Then they patched it so it could play some PSP games, but you had to buy them again. And I got e-mails from some companies like Atlus saying "come on, re-buy our PSP games! They are on sale!" I lost interest in ever touching a Vita.

So whatever Sony's business plan was, it didn't work.

//Just bought 2 new PSP games.
///Growlanser FTW!!!!


You don't have to rebuy them, just redownload them. If you already own it once the download if free.

And the lack of a umd drive wasn't that big a deal to me. umds ate batteries like mad, glad they ditched those. BC hasn't been too much a concern ether, as i've just moved on to newer games.
 
2012-08-05 08:32:01 PM

TyrantII: Doc Daneeka:

The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.

Handhelds are a niche market, so are "hardcore gamers". Overlap is even less. Doesn't take a genius to realize the target for hardware like the PSV is going to be very small, and it needs to be priced just right to even have a chance.

Sony really dropped the ball. They should have had their own PSN gaming app store up and running (allowing anyone to create for it) similar to android/apple marketplace. The device should have also been 100% integrated with the PS3 from the start, zero % propitiatory, and able to do what the WiiU is planning on doing, in addition to doing 100% mobile gaming of PS3 titles.

Sony is Japanese, and the Japanese hardware entertainment industry apparently doesn't understand web 2.0, social media, or how to synergize technology across company divisions.


Ah, they announced said store before the console launched, and it's been in beta, now open beta, for some time. It's called playstation mobile. Games made for it will run in the vita, and any playstation mobile compatible tablet or cellphone.
 
2012-08-05 08:32:30 PM

Antimatter: ModernLuddite: When they announced that not only could the Vita not play UMD discs, but it also could not play PSP games at all, I lost all interest.

Then they patched it so it could play some PSP games, but you had to buy them again. And I got e-mails from some companies like Atlus saying "come on, re-buy our PSP games! They are on sale!" I lost interest in ever touching a Vita.

So whatever Sony's business plan was, it didn't work.

//Just bought 2 new PSP games.
///Growlanser FTW!!!!

You don't have to rebuy them, just redownload them. If you already own it once the download if free.

And the lack of a umd drive wasn't that big a deal to me. umds ate batteries like mad, glad they ditched those. BC hasn't been too much a concern ether, as i've just moved on to newer games.


Only if purchased through the store. If you bought a UMD, you're SOL.
 
2012-08-05 08:47:16 PM
I actually just reserved the Assassin's Creed III Liberation Vita bundle the other day.

you, sir, are a total wanker, and need to base your purchases solely on Fark comments and biases
 
2012-08-05 08:59:36 PM

bhcompy: Antimatter: ModernLuddite: When they announced that not only could the Vita not play UMD discs, but it also could not play PSP games at all, I lost all interest.

Then they patched it so it could play some PSP games, but you had to buy them again. And I got e-mails from some companies like Atlus saying "come on, re-buy our PSP games! They are on sale!" I lost interest in ever touching a Vita.

So whatever Sony's business plan was, it didn't work.

//Just bought 2 new PSP games.
///Growlanser FTW!!!!

You don't have to rebuy them, just redownload them. If you already own it once the download if free.

And the lack of a umd drive wasn't that big a deal to me. umds ate batteries like mad, glad they ditched those. BC hasn't been too much a concern ether, as i've just moved on to newer games.

Only if purchased through the store. If you bought a UMD, you're SOL.


I said newer games. IE, i'm playing vita games on my vita, and haven't really touched any of the psp ones, even the downloaded once, since I got it. BC only really is important when you have no newer games to play. Since the vita launched, i've bought six, and downloaded a few others.

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: I actually just reserved the Assassin's Creed III Liberation Vita bundle the other day.

you, sir, are a total wanker, and need to base your purchases solely on Fark comments and biases


I've thought of that game, but not having played the series in a long time, i'm not sure I want to get into it. Between persona, borderlands, and guild wars 2, i'm not sure i'll even have time for it.
 
2012-08-05 09:50:16 PM
To the guy and others like him banging on about how people want a new console because "technology has advanced!111" you do realize that game companies are having lots of problems involving money developing games for the current generation systems(basically too expensive still to make games and you need to sell a large number of games just to break even), and no game has tested the PS3 to it's limit yet, right?

The vita isn't a flop, it's too soon to tell that yet. Currently, it's pretty pricey for what it is, and there isn't much software for it yet that would distinguish it from other portables. I'm sure the upcoming AC Liberation Bundle is going to be a big game changer. Currently the only big name game they have is Uncharted: Golden Abyss.
 
2012-08-05 09:57:57 PM
WRONG! This is known at Sony as "being an industry leader".
 
2012-08-05 10:38:49 PM

ModernLuddite: So whatever Sony's business plan was, it didn't work.


Sony's business plan is to sell 3D bluerays for $50 each, and sell whatever other crap they can get people to buy.
 
2012-08-05 10:45:46 PM

bhcompy: There's been all sorts of FUD spread by gaming/technology news about how the consoles are well past their prime and that the games are derivative and that somehow a new console will fix all their woes.


No one ever complains about technology getting old until the marketers tell them to. Gaming/technology news is only to blame in so far as that they have allowed themselves to be manipulated by the marketers.
 
2012-08-05 11:13:19 PM
Let's be completely honest here. I have a Vita, I like the games, and it is going through a slow time for games. But then again... so is everything else. Nintendo has next to nothing coming out for the 3DS in the next 6 months. Nintendo's portable sales come from a large pool of rabid fans who will buy anything with their name on it. That's what you get after 25 years of selling the same product. Sony doesn't have that... maybe never will unless they get their business model down better.

Really the larger issue is that companies are scared of the recession. People are just not buying much lately, and while games have been rather recession-proof, there's a distinct lull across the board recently. All three console companies aren't making the money they want... Sony's just doing the worst because Playstation was all that was selling well. Nintendo has enough clout to get by despite not having an original IP in 20 years, and Microsoft's XBox division is a hobby compared to the billions their OS division makes... they don't care.

Personally I want them all to stick around... the competition is what's going to hopefully keep innovation up. I'm old enough to remember the early 80's, and I'd rather not see another gaming dark ages. I can live with just my PC, but I'd rather not.
 
2012-08-05 11:48:29 PM
I want a Vita (The ACIII bundle especially) but I can see the problems it's facing. We pointed the memory cards and UMD issue but I think they are other problems.

1. I don't believe there is single good game that can carry the Vita. Gravity Rush is amazing but I think many aren't digging the anime style and Uncharted is a good game if you can handle the touch controls. but Assassins Creed and Call of Duty are coming out with their own games this year and Bioshock soon. No Monster Hunter yet is killing it I agree.

2. It's hard to make a handheld system work right now with mobile gaming but if Sony plays it right, people could play Fruit Ninja.

3. PsOne games will be compatible...but when? Once that patch comes out, it could turn the tide of sales to a good direction. I don't know Sony why NA didn't follow Sony Japan's UMD passport model.

Sony has botched the release and at E3, it didn't help that Sony focused on a stupid book add on for the PS Move. (SMRT Sony) Gamescon better has some good Vita announcements or we could be looking at the new Game Gear here.
 
2012-08-05 11:49:54 PM

Doc Daneeka: cman: No shiat

People are happy with playing games on their mobile phone/tablet

But the 3DS is is selling well. In fact, it's off to a better start than the original DS, which was one of the most successful handheld systems of all time.

The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.


This but especially the last part.

It's amazing how terrible of a company Sony is. For one, they refuse to seriously advertise the system. At E3, they spent more time on a Wonderbook demo than the PSV. It was ridiculous.

Then, they cannibalize sales of the system by refusing to incorporate any kind of backwards compatibility. It's not that they needed to include a UMD port, but for those who bought UMD games, they should have allowed them to download those games for free. Not only would they not have seemed like miserable gougers, but they would have a killing on the sales of memory cards.

Finally, they lose a terrific opportunity by refusing to release a number of HD classics on the system like the Jak and Daxter Collection, Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, God of War, etc.

It's a real shame because they system could have been a something good.
 
2012-08-06 12:41:46 AM

kinkkerbelle: No good games = handheld fail.


And this is why I never bought one. I wanted a Vita so bad, but without games, I'd be buying a $250 desk ornament. Am interested in Ruin Warrior's Lair, and maybe the implementation of LittleBigPlanet, but that's not worth the system.
 
2012-08-06 01:10:10 AM
Trocadero: To be fair, it only took $1M and a few months to pop out NES classics. A big time AAA game can cost as much as a summer tent pole movie and may take a few years to make.

Funny that you draw that parallel.

The movie industry doesn't seem to have a stick up its but about selling used movies.

// make games that people want to pay $60 bucks for new vs waiting a few months to buy it used.
 
2012-08-06 01:39:35 AM
Thought about getting a vita, went with the 3DS instead. SSFIV, Mario Kart 7, Kid Icarus, Ocarina of Time: What else do you need? Not to mention it came preloaded with 10 NES and 10 GBA games and cost half of what the vita does. Now if Capcom would just pull their heads out of their collective asses and stop cancelling MegaMan games.
 
2012-08-06 02:03:08 AM

Doc Daneeka: steamingpile: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: hej: dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats [..]

Doc Daneeka: The problem isn't that handhelds can't compete or don't have a place alongside smartphones and tablets. The problem is that Sony sucks.

Those. I've gotten tired of Sony as a company. It's unfortunate that there are actually a few interesting looking games for the Vita, because I've resolved not to buy it before it hit the store.

like TFA said, the 3DS has sold 20 million units. It may not be the overwhelming success that the DS initially was, but there is a pretty damn big user base there. Throw in backward compatibility, don't go apesh*t with the proprietary bullsh*t, and you'll get the sales.

Considering the previous units sold like 5 times that amount then even the 3DS is close to a failure. If I go to a boss and say our new product is only going to sell 1/5th of what the last one sold he will either fire you on the spot or send you to a psychiatrist for observation.

The 3DS is selling better than the original DS was at the same point in its life cycle.

The 3DS is far from a failure.


Its only selling slightly better because of the huge price drop, until they did that they were not selling.

For Nintendo, having to drastically drop the price like this makes it a huge bust.
 
2012-08-06 02:45:51 AM

cman: XBox360 and PS3 were released in 2006. Technology has improved DRASTICALLY since then.


For some reason I didn't think the PS3 was that old. Where does the time go?
 
2012-08-06 03:05:43 AM
I bought a PS Vita used. Got a decent price, came with a few games. Didnt expect much.

That being said...its a REALLY nice piece of hardware. I mean REALLY nice. Its VERY capable.

Playing Disgaea 3 on it, and if nothing else comes out that game plus the cost of it has been inexpensive entertainment. Why is it failing? Well in the words of another guy "Developers developers DEVELOPERS!" Seriously, not enough games out on it. Putting all the psp stuff on it would be a good start.
 
2012-08-06 03:21:27 AM

Greywar: I bought a PS Vita used. Got a decent price, came with a few games. Didnt expect much.

That being said...its a REALLY nice piece of hardware. I mean REALLY nice. Its VERY capable.

Playing Disgaea 3 on it, and if nothing else comes out that game plus the cost of it has been inexpensive entertainment. Why is it failing? Well in the words of another guy "Developers developers DEVELOPERS!" Seriously, not enough games out on it. Putting all the psp stuff on it would be a good start.


Surprised it doesn't have a better shooter lineup. I mean seriously, mixing dual analog sticks with ad-hoc multiplayer would be pretty damn fun.
 
2012-08-06 03:35:42 AM

dopeydwarf: It would help if they didn't stick with proprietary memory formats and brought out, oh I don't know, NEW GAMES.


Yup. I've been tempted to pick one up, but haven't,ostly because of slim pickings in game choice
 
2012-08-06 03:45:26 AM

SevenizGud: Poor sales because people have decided in droves to instead spend their time actually doing something useful, perhaps even making a friend, rather than waste their existences killing imaginary leprechauns using their fingers. Durrr.


Ummmm no, I don't think so. The average person wastes their time on Facebook games that are cheap. People can justify ten bucks here and there, not a couple hundred.
 
2012-08-06 08:31:16 AM

steamingpile: Its only selling slightly better because of the huge price drop, until they did that they were not selling.

For Nintendo, having to drastically drop the price like this makes it a huge bust.


When the 3DS wasn't selling, Nintendo dropped the price, gave out 20 free games and ensured system-selling titles would be out by the end of the year. They lost some money in the short term on hardware but got the system back on track by getting serious about it.

The Vita is selling worse now than the 3DS ever was but Sony doesn't seem to care. All that's in the pipeline seems to be cut-down ports of PS3 titles with no system price cut in sight, and that's not going to make the Vita a success.
 
2012-08-06 09:44:01 AM
The Vita is a nice little piece of hardware. It failed because sony shoved it out the door without any games and expected it to make its way in the world. Then when it failed (No one will play or buy a game system that doesnt have any games) sony chalked it up as a failure and stopped supporting it. What a waste.
 
2012-08-06 11:37:14 AM

TheOriginalEd: The Vita is a nice little piece of hardware. It failed because sony shoved it out the door without any games...


The Playstation Vita had 25 games available at launch.
 
2012-08-06 02:29:11 PM
I love my PS3. I have a 3DS that's pretty fun for train-gaming. The Vita always seems marketed as "almost as strong as PS3 with a lot of the same games ported over". I prefer more striation there, with portable games being pick up and play (e.g. a level or Mario or a quick race) vs. loading up Uncharted or whatever. Something a little more meaty/tactile than playing on my phone, but not a portable console.
 
2012-08-06 03:41:24 PM

Keywork99: TheOriginalEd: The Vita is a nice little piece of hardware. It failed because sony shoved it out the door without any games...

The Playstation Vita had 25 games available at launch.


Your point?

It sill only has 25 games.

and yes I know that there are 59 released but Im assuming that half of them are trash. over half of the release titles are trash too. Theres no support for the platform. Not even on the PSN.
 
2012-08-06 03:58:25 PM

TheOriginalEd: Keywork99: TheOriginalEd: The Vita is a nice little piece of hardware. It failed because sony shoved it out the door without any games...

The Playstation Vita had 25 games available at launch.

Your point?


My point is that you said it had no games. I showed you that it does indeed have games. You even acknowledged this number has now grown to almost 60. Now, whether those games are good or not is up for you to decide, but don't say the system has no games when it has plenty.
 
2012-08-06 06:47:39 PM
Keywork99: TheOriginalEd: Keywork99: TheOriginalEd: The Vita is a nice little piece of hardware. It failed because sony shoved it out the door without any games...

The Playstation Vita had 25 games available at launch.

Your point?

My point is that you said it had no games. I showed you that it does indeed have games. You even acknowledged this number has now grown to almost 60. Now, whether those games are good or not is up for you to decide, but don't say the system has no games when it has plenty.


10 games a month ain't bad for a launch, figuring 1 a month is worth it, 3 so so and the rest shovel-ware.

The real issue is the lack of everything else that could be. Synergy with the PS3, internet streaming, cloud gaming, an dedicated open app store, and social/web 2.0. The price and the propitiatory BS was just the shiat on the fan.

Imagine if you could turn on your PS3, sync it with the PSV, and play the game in your PS3 on your PSV while your wife watches TV. I don't know about you, but 1/2 my beer league "clan" of older guys would have jumped at launch for that type of functionality. Currently only two or three of them with long ass commutes have picked one up, and all of them were used craiglist sales because the secondary market prices had crashed.
 
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