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2012-08-05 12:46:39 PM  

badhatharry: ElLoco: You know, oddly... pipe and cigar smoke doesn't seem to affect my allergies when I'm around it. It's rather enjoyable

Cigarette, pipe, and cigar tobacco are not very different. It's the cigarette paper that is terrible.


Is that what the industrial adhesive is used on?
 
2012-08-05 12:47:48 PM  

James Dean's Pants: Unfortunately what most of you farkers are missing is that many people who now can't afford to buy regular ciggs are buying these little filtered cigars instead and inhaling them. I don't know how many of you have tried these... Or heard the smokers cough from someone who buys these regularly, But I can assure you that camel non-filters are more healthy.


I haven't tried those or know much about them. If it is good tobacco with a filter I doubt it is more unhealthy than a non-filtered camel. But it could have some weird additives if it burns like a cigarette.
 
2012-08-05 12:49:56 PM  

loooongview1: Just quit smoking tobacco about a week and a half ago so I'm getting a kick. I've switched over to one of these e-cigs and it seems to be working. I was jealous and had a craving everytime I saw someone smoking a real cig for about 3 days, and then I just got over it. Now I'm content with my nicotine steam. I'm hoping in about a month to switch over to non-nicotine cartridges and maybe get over that hump. Any tips from Farkers besides Allen Carr?


I quit smoking cigarettes with an e-cig, it will be two years in September. I started by incorporating the e-cig into my normal smoking for about a week, then quit the cigarettes altogether September 1, 2009 and just used the e-cig. I really didn't anticipate how easy it was to switch over and how easy it was to ramp down on the e-cig once I started using it full time. I always smoked outside on my porch to not stink up the house - but the e-cig doesn't smell like anything, so I started using it inside the house instead of taking my normal porch breaks. When an urge to have a cig came up, I'd take a hit or two (or a whole cigarette's worth) on the e-cig but not go outside or leave the room, I'd just keep watching TV or doing what I was doing. Once you break up whatever routine you had as far as where and when you normally smoke, the urges stop coming so regularly, and at least for me, I just sort of stopped thinking about it as much. Then one day I realized it was like 10pm and I hadn't used it all night. On December 1st, 2010, I put the e-cig in a drawer and haven't used it since. You might not even need to go down to the no-nicotine carts, honestly. I just used the same amount of nicotine (whatever the medium level was at the time) the whole time.

You're going to do great, it sounds like you've got the right mindset. All the corny sayings turned out to be true for me - I couldn't quit until I was finally fed up with myself, got a little bit scared, and became determined to make the change.
 
2012-08-05 12:52:40 PM  
pussies
i smoke asbestos
 
2012-08-05 12:53:22 PM  

breitkreutz: September 1, 2009...December 1st, 2010,


Dammit dates. 2010. This all happened between Sept - Dec, 2010.
 
2012-08-05 12:57:33 PM  

signaljammer: I don't know if they are still around, but here in Il I remember these little shops with loose tobacco and a gizzmo by the door to roll 'em up with. Seemed like a tax dodge.


It is. Government just passed a law making services like that illegal.
 
2012-08-05 12:59:49 PM  
Once you go Black you never go back.

Middleton's should be paying me for this shiat.
 
2012-08-05 01:02:15 PM  

HighZoolander: badhatharry: ElLoco: You know, oddly... pipe and cigar smoke doesn't seem to affect my allergies when I'm around it. It's rather enjoyable

Cigarette, pipe, and cigar tobacco are not very different. It's the cigarette paper that is terrible.

Is that what the industrial adhesive is used on?


Yeah, it's the glue that holds it together and banded throughout the cigarette to make it go out if not smoked.
 
2012-08-05 01:02:16 PM  

jst3p: TheWhoppah: The non-smoking citizens that live into their 80s are a drain on society's resources, especially long-term health-care.
The most efficient model is to have people die a few years after retirement.
Smoking helps us achieve that goal.

Your assertion is that non-smokers are less of a burden on our health-care system than smokers?

Stay in school kid.


Nope. If people are living longer, then they require to be paid money for a longer period of time. Smokers, they shift the medical expense to earlier in their lives, possibly before even medicare starts.
If smokers off themselves before Social Security even begins, its a gigantic win for the taxpayer.

The big loser is the kids. They get a big bowl of cock. Daddy died and all his forced retirement money evaporates. The only way they make out is if daddy dies in his late 40s. With that, the kids get a payout for a couple of years until they get out of high school.
 
2012-08-05 01:04:11 PM  

badhatharry: ElLoco: You know, oddly... pipe and cigar smoke doesn't seem to affect my allergies when I'm around it. It's rather enjoyable

Cigarette, pipe, and cigar tobacco are not very different. It's the cigarette paper that is terrible.


We have a winner for dumbest post of the day!!!
 
2012-08-05 01:04:23 PM  

szyzk: I'm a tobacconist by trade (CSB) and while pipe smoking is on the rise, the sharp increase is purely because of cigarette tobacco being labeled as "pipe" to get around taxes - and those numbers will come crashing down to normal once the tobaccos are classified & taxed correctly.

And that's fine by me... Pipe & cigar smokers have enough issues as it is without being unfairly lumped with cigarette smokers.


Yup. I work at a cigar store in San Francisco. We stopped carrying rolling tobacco when the new taxes hit and a $7 pouch of Bali-Shag jumped to $14 overnight.

Also, when the FDA started regulating tobacco last year and outlawed all flavored cigarettes except menthol (and by a strange coincidence, guess which flavor the big tobacco companies in the US make. Go on, guess...), some of the flavored cigarette manufacturers changed their product into cigarillos (wrapped with tobacco leaf rather than paper) to get around that ban.

And the CDC, as much as I admire them, is still touting the 'but the children!' line. Kids don't care if a cigarette tastes like candy; they buy whatever's cheapest. Which is usually the shiat put out by RJR and Phillip Morris that has the nasty additives like nicotine boosters to make them more habit forming and formaldehyde as a preservative.
 
2012-08-05 01:04:32 PM  

cubicdissection: This situation is a government created market distortion. Cigarette taxes steadily increase, yet legislators occasionally enjoy cigars, so they leave them alone. Which creates opportunity - by re-branding cigarettes as "cigars", product is taxed less and a price advantage is enjoyed against competitors. Ditch the taxes for a level playing field and the numbers would normalize.


This. It's got absolutely nothing to do with any kind of aesthetic considerations, the simple fact of the matter is that loose tobacco and "cigars" enjoy a big tax loophole and will get the nicotine monkey off your back for a minute for significantly less cash. In my state a pack of Marlboro reds runs about $4.30, but a pack of Red Buck "little cigars" (which are identical in size and shape to cigarettes) will cost you $1.79. I have no idea what they taste like, I quit smoking about 4 years ago; I know what they sell for because it's related to my work.

But there is good news in TFA: Total consumption of all smoked tobacco products -- cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco, pipe tobacco and cigars -- declined by 27.5 percent from 2000 to 2011

Regardless of what specifically the remaining 3/4 are smoking, I'd call that a win.
 
2012-08-05 01:06:52 PM  
Switched to e-cigs back in march, haven't looked back. Still doesn't change the fact that I'm addicted to nicotine, but hey, it tastes better and has zero odor, so what the hell. Baby steps.
 
2012-08-05 01:07:24 PM  

Gothnet: You don't use pipe tobacco in roll-ups for god's sake!


Sure you can. Its a little moist, but it works, depending on the papers you use.


Kurmudgeon: A family member is using one of those vapor inhalers to help them quit. Seems to be working.
Tobacco free myself since January 2000.


E-cigs are great, but i know a handful of people who have switched to them, and idk if theyre still using the nicotine fluid, but theyre sucking on them CONSTANTLY. I mean the actual smokers go outside for a puff every hour, hour and a half or so, but theyre at the bar, e-cig in hand or mouth the entire night.
 
2012-08-05 01:09:47 PM  

loooongview1: Just quit smoking tobacco about a week and a half ago so I'm getting a kick. I've switched over to one of these e-cigs and it seems to be working. I was jealous and had a craving everytime I saw someone smoking a real cig for about 3 days, and then I just got over it. Now I'm content with my nicotine steam. I'm hoping in about a month to switch over to non-nicotine cartridges and maybe get over that hump. Any tips from Farkers besides Allen Carr?


If you had read the allen carr with any understanding you'd be adressing the nicotine issue and not farking with the eshiat. Good luck. I'm on day 6. I knew his book would do it for me--just took about 3 months to get around to reading it. Don't eff around man--adress the nicotine habit. Then you can join me in mocking the pitiful drug addicts.
 
2012-08-05 01:10:26 PM  
HighZoolander: ElLoco: Aulus: nihilspawn: Maybe that is because pipe tobacco doesn't taste like you're licking an ash tray.

This. I was a pipe smoker for 24 years but quit 20 years ago. Pipe tobacco almost always has more flavor, better flavor and more variety. Still a nasty habit.

You know, oddly... pipe and cigar smoke doesn't seem to affect my allergies when I'm around it. It's rather enjoyable, usually. Cigarette smoke is quite literally like a slap in the face to me. As soon as I get the slightest whiff of it for the first time, it makes me involuntarily flinch and jerk my head. Then I can feel my sinuses swelling. :/ I honestly don't know what the difference really is between the types of smoke. Not all cigarettes do that, but most do. I don't smoke weed, either, but good weed has the most sweet and pleasant smell of just about any inhaled smoke product I've been around. It's kinda weird about that, I guess.

I'm sensitive enough to cigarette smoke that I can tell, from inside my house, when someone passes my house on the 70mph highway nearby if they're smoking and their window is down. Seriously. It's that bad.

I have exactly the same response.

I prefer to believe that cigarette tobacco is just cheap garbage, and that I have very refined tastes. I was also told by a doctor that an allergic reaction to cigarette smoke is not possible, because technically it's an irritant, not an allergen.

I'm not sure I believe that there are no allergens in smoke (and the wet-smelling cigarette butt odor from someone who's just finished a cigarette is worse than the smoke for me sometimes), but either way it sure irritates the hell out of my throat and sinuses.


well cigarette tobacco is dried, pipe and actual cigar tobacco is fermented.

Fermented has less nicotine and less of many of the carcinogens than dried, but much more tar. It would be a lot more likely to give you COPD but a lot less likely to give you lung cancer if you inhaled it all the way into lungs like a cigarette, although its usually just inhaled to the mouth and not all the way to the lungs

The cigarette like cigars (cigarette dried tobacco in a tobacco leaf paper instead of wood paper) is basically cigarettes except for tax purposes.
 
2012-08-05 01:11:42 PM  

ElLoco: Aulus: nihilspawn: Maybe that is because pipe tobacco doesn't taste like you're licking an ash tray.

This. I was a pipe smoker for 24 years but quit 20 years ago. Pipe tobacco almost always has more flavor, better flavor and more variety. Still a nasty habit.

You know, oddly... pipe and cigar smoke doesn't seem to affect my allergies when I'm around it. It's rather enjoyable, usually. Cigarette smoke is quite literally like a slap in the face to me. As soon as I get the slightest whiff of it for the first time, it makes me involuntarily flinch and jerk my head. Then I can feel my sinuses swelling. :/ I honestly don't know what the difference really is between the types of smoke. Not all cigarettes do that, but most do. I don't smoke weed, either, but good weed has the most sweet and pleasant smell of just about any inhaled smoke product I've been around. It's kinda weird about that, I guess.

I'm sensitive enough to cigarette smoke that I can tell, from inside my house, when someone passes my house on the 70mph highway nearby if they're smoking and their window is down. Seriously. It's that bad.


I'm the same way. My olfactory senses go into overdrive and I can't stop sneezing. I smell it on anyone a mile away. However, family friend smokes out of a pipe, and I find the smell comforting when I visit him.
 
2012-08-05 01:12:33 PM  

Aar1012: If you are going to smoke a cigar then you should go for thr gold and smoke an actual cigar!


I'm pretty sure Phelps taught us that if you're going for the gold, it ain't cigars you're smoking.
 
2012-08-05 01:12:49 PM  

Cyno01: Gothnet: You don't use pipe tobacco in roll-ups for god's sake!

Sure you can. Its a little moist, but it works, depending on the papers you use.


Kurmudgeon: A family member is using one of those vapor inhalers to help them quit. Seems to be working.
Tobacco free myself since January 2000.

E-cigs are great, but i know a handful of people who have switched to them, and idk if theyre still using the nicotine fluid, but theyre sucking on them CONSTANTLY. I mean the actual smokers go outside for a puff every hour, hour and a half or so, but theyre at the bar, e-cig in hand or mouth the entire night.


Well, yeah, that's kind of the trade-off. I smoke it nonstop when I'm out drinking, but I chain smoked 2 packs of cigarettes when I went out drinking anyways, so that hasn't really changed. As far as during the day, I'm not so much sure if I puff on it all the time because I need to or because I CAN. Moral of the story, I don't hack up a half pint of bloody phlegm in the morning anymore. Hooray vapor!
 
2012-08-05 01:13:55 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: szyzk: I'm a tobacconist by trade (CSB) and while pipe smoking is on the rise, the sharp increase is purely because of cigarette tobacco being labeled as "pipe" to get around taxes - and those numbers will come crashing down to normal once the tobaccos are classified & taxed correctly.

And that's fine by me... Pipe & cigar smokers have enough issues as it is without being unfairly lumped with cigarette smokers.

Yup. I work at a cigar store in San Francisco. We stopped carrying rolling tobacco when the new taxes hit and a $7 pouch of Bali-Shag jumped to $14 overnight.

Also, when the FDA started regulating tobacco last year and outlawed all flavored cigarettes except menthol (and by a strange coincidence, guess which flavor the big tobacco companies in the US make. Go on, guess...), some of the flavored cigarette manufacturers changed their product into cigarillos (wrapped with tobacco leaf rather than paper) to get around that ban.

And the CDC, as much as I admire them, is still touting the 'but the children!' line. Kids don't care if a cigarette tastes like candy; they buy whatever's cheapest. Which is usually the shiat put out by RJR and Phillip Morris that has the nasty additives like nicotine boosters to make them more habit forming and formaldehyde as a preservative.


So much this, here in Austin a pack marlboro lights goes for about 6 bucks a pack you can get some shiatty no name brand of cigarillos for 3 bucks. Guess what everyone is smoking.
 
2012-08-05 01:14:34 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: szyzk: I'm a tobacconist by trade (CSB) and while pipe smoking is on the rise, the sharp increase is purely because of cigarette tobacco being labeled as "pipe" to get around taxes - and those numbers will come crashing down to normal once the tobaccos are classified & taxed correctly.

And that's fine by me... Pipe & cigar smokers have enough issues as it is without being unfairly lumped with cigarette smokers.

Yup. I work at a cigar store in San Francisco. We stopped carrying rolling tobacco when the new taxes hit and a $7 pouch of Bali-Shag jumped to $14 overnight.

Also, when the FDA started regulating tobacco last year and outlawed all flavored cigarettes except menthol (and by a strange coincidence, guess which flavor the big tobacco companies in the US make. Go on, guess...), some of the flavored cigarette manufacturers changed their product into cigarillos (wrapped with tobacco leaf rather than paper) to get around that ban.

And the CDC, as much as I admire them, is still touting the 'but the children!' line. Kids don't care if a cigarette tastes like candy; they buy whatever's cheapest. Which is usually the shiat put out by RJR and Phillip Morris that has the nasty additives like nicotine boosters to make them more habit forming and formaldehyde as a preservative.


Bali-shag FTW!
 
2012-08-05 01:15:31 PM  

loooongview1: Just quit smoking tobacco about a week and a half ago so I'm getting a kick. I've switched over to one of these e-cigs and it seems to be working. I was jealous and had a craving everytime I saw someone smoking a real cig for about 3 days, and then I just got over it. Now I'm content with my nicotine steam. I'm hoping in about a month to switch over to non-nicotine cartridges and maybe get over that hump. Any tips from Farkers besides Allen Carr?


Buy a lot of hard candy (or just start blowing every dude in sight). You have to have something in your mouth to replace what you're missing.

/quit in February after 20 years
//used a Nicotrol inhaler for about two weeks and was done
///why? You got any?
 
2012-08-05 01:30:02 PM  

James Dean's Pants: loooongview1: Just quit smoking tobacco about a week and a half ago so I'm getting a kick. I've switched over to one of these e-cigs and it seems to be working. I was jealous and had a craving everytime I saw someone smoking a real cig for about 3 days, and then I just got over it. Now I'm content with my nicotine steam. I'm hoping in about a month to switch over to non-nicotine cartridges and maybe get over that hump. Any tips from Farkers besides Allen Carr?

I've been smoking an e-cig for almost a year now, had been rolling my own unfiltered cigs before that. If you wan't to quit totally and what you have has been working its best to not mess with it. The fact that the e-cigs just have nicotine and not the other chemicals makes it an easier transition to quitting. I'd suggest trying to use it only when you are craving the nic fix, you can even make yourself still go outside to smoke it, just to make it more of a chore. I just got a 6v model and started vaping juice with WTA (Some of the other chemical goodies in tobacco) and I honestly enjoy it more than my non filtered hand rolled cigs, but its just as addictive, and I don't feel any closer to quitting.


Been over to e-cig/vaping for about three months now. It's not as good as quitting, and I would like to actually not be addicted to nicotine, but it's definitely eased the stress on my lungs, and I don't have to smell like shiat. Where I work, smoking is frowned upon (and for good reason), so I was always sneaking one and then washing and using mouthwash. However, vaping is easy and clean and no more expensive than cigarettes (for me). It took me a couple of weeks to switch over, but I keep my last pack of cigs, with two left, as something of a keepsake.

Honestly, this is turning out to be one of the best decisions I've made. I know the jury is still out on the dangers of vaping, but since I feel better and don't smell like shiat, I'm willing to take that risk against a known nasty carcinogen that I could not kick. Also, I'm finding that I use it less and less, because it's not as much of a ritual. I can pretty much always get a vape in; for example, I would NEVER smoke in my car, but vaping, sure. As a result, it's not urgent until I get a craving; I don't have to be defensive.

One additional thought is that you can drop the nicotine level gradually, something I think I will do. You don't have to go to 0%/0mg. I order more do-it-yourself kits with cartomizers and e-liquids, and while I use 24mg, they sell 6mg-30mg. They also sell e-liquid with no nicotine, so you can get an empty bottle and halve your intake. The only problem I have is that right now, I have no strong incentive to do so, which was also the reason I couldn't quit smoking.

It's not a perfect solution, but it's just so easy, and ends up being fun. If I want to get a nic buzz, it's actually not hard to do, whereas I was pretty much a maintenance smoker, addicted to something that brought me no pleasure. Half a pack a day of Camel filters...
 
2012-08-05 01:43:13 PM  

Joce678: People are actually thinking about what they smoke rather than mindlessly stuffing prepacked garbage into their lungs. I'm anti-smoking but anything that puts the brain into the loop sounds like an improvement.


um it's not so much that...

Here in WI, cigs are around $7 a pack, "filtered cigars" or cigarette type cigars are $3 a pack, pipe tobacco is also significantly cheaper than cigarette tobacco. so it's not people "thinking" it's the poor finding a way to still get their nicotine while not going 100% broke.
 
2012-08-05 01:48:35 PM  
Hey, I stopped smoking cigarettes. Isn't that something? I'm on to cigars now. I'm on to a five-year plan. I eliminated cigarettes, then I go to cigars, then I go to pipes, then I go to chewing tobacco, then I'm on to that nicotine gum.
 
2012-08-05 01:53:24 PM  
Anyone else see a similarity here?

Back in the 70's (?) when the government cracked down on drunk driving, introduced the breathalyzer, started a major M.A.D.D. encouraged anti-drinking campaign, increased fines and penalties and started making bars liable for the condition of their patrons upon leaving -- out came a whole new mess of tempting alcoholic drinks, pushed by the booze companies.

Starting with 40 oz beers -- which were later flavored with fruit. Then came the 'less filling' beers followed by the higher alcohol versions and the mini-keg. By the 80's, mini-brewers were popping up and scores of new, custom beers hit the markets.

So, it stands to reason that something similar would happen with tobacco. Especially since Big Tobacco shows no inclination to clean up its cigarette making process, I.e.: making a safer cigarette.

Most pipe tobaccos smell much better, have less nasty additives and you can customize your blend and pipe.

A shot of good bourbon tossed in a humidor of pipe tobacco makes for an interesting, nicely scented smoke. So does a slice of raw apple. Soak a new pipe in good whisky for three or four days before using it and gain a unique flavor. You can even buy pipe blocks, where you carve your own bowl. Plus, the type of wood used in a pipe affects the taste and those made from petrified sea foam are reported to be mellow AND gradually custom color themselves from oils on the owners hands.

Even pot pipes, with that 'filter' chamber which holds loose pot, make good tobacco pipes and the chamber is a plus because you can put in what you want to filter the smoke.

My Grandfather smoked a pipe for decades, using big tins of Amphora Pipe tobacco in it's assorted flavors, though he preferred 'Red'. He had a selection of pipes and a couple of glass humidors. He was a fairly heavy smoker, preferring unfiltered pipes.

He died at nearly age 90 from throat cancer.

However, even I prefer walking into a room full of scented pipe smoke rather than cigarette or cigar smoke. Actually, cigar smoke annoys me the most -- and I'm a smoker.

The War Against Tobacco seems to be going about as well as the War Against Drugs. The War Against Booze was lost.
 
2012-08-05 01:57:43 PM  

Trackball: badhatharry: ElLoco: You know, oddly... pipe and cigar smoke doesn't seem to affect my allergies when I'm around it. It's rather enjoyable

Cigarette, pipe, and cigar tobacco are not very different. It's the cigarette paper that is terrible.

We have a winner for dumbest post of the day!!!


I don't usually respond to such posts but please inform me. What is the difference? Except for how it is cut.
 
2012-08-05 02:17:07 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Hey, I stopped smoking cigarettes. Isn't that something? I'm on to cigars now. I'm on to a five-year plan. I eliminated cigarettes, then I go to cigars, then I go to pipes, then I go to chewing tobacco, then I'm on to that nicotine gum.


So rare and so nice to see an Uncle Buck reference! I still miss John Candy.
 
2012-08-05 02:17:37 PM  

Kurmudgeon: A family member is using one of those vapor inhalers to help them quit. Seems to be working.
Tobacco free myself since January 2000.


I'm using a Nicotrol Inhaler; probably the same thing (vapor inhalers) and an e-cig. It's kind of working; I've slipped a couple times. Reasons for quitting: scared of dying, health reasons, cost. Have been saving money already. LOL, in the patient info for the Inhalers, says the patient should be on Diazepam i.e. Valium, and thank god for that!! Makes it much easier during my 16 yr old's tantrums.

/Still believe it's wrong to tell ppl what to do with their own bodies.
//If ppl want to pay to kill themselves, all power to em'.
 
2012-08-05 02:26:37 PM  

TheWhoppah: As a society, why are we trying to make people stop smoking?
Smokers are productive tax payers just like everyone else except they tend to go downhill quickly and die 10 years earlier.
The non-smoking citizens that live into their 80s are a drain on society's resources, especially long-term health-care.
The most efficient model is to have people die a few years after retirement.
Smoking helps us achieve that goal.
So it is a win-win for freedom loving tea party types and nationalized healthcare types.


My friend. I like the cut of your jib.

I've had that exact same thought many times yet never verbalized as well as you just have.
 
2012-08-05 02:27:22 PM  

badhatharry:
I don't usually respond to such posts but please inform me. What is the difference? Except for how it is cut.



that is akin to asking "what's the difference between a salad made with iceberg lettuce and one made from endive."

There are several hundred types of tobacco plant, most cigarette manufacturers use Burley or virginia tobacco, because it's cheap, with any combonation of the 486 approved chemical additives, pipe and cigar tobaccos don't have anywhere near the additives as cigarette tobacco does because they use a better grade of tobacco.
 
2012-08-05 02:27:54 PM  
OK, a few things.

Cigarette tobacco and pipe tobacco, as well as cigar tobacco are vastly different. As any pipe smoker knows, you set a lit pipe down and it will go out. Set a lit cig down and it will keep burning. a cig is basically a fuse. In fact, when I was in college, we had some guys in the dorm who used them exactly for that. If you make a hole across a cig, just distal to the filter and light it, then stick the fuse of a cherry bomb or the like thru the hole and set it down, you have two full minutes witha king size for it to burn down to the cherry bomb fuse, more than enough time to get well away.

It burns continupusly because it is cut finer, it isn't as tightly packed and there are other chemiocals in the tobacco blend designed to keep it burning. It is in the tobacco companies' interest to keep it burning, whether you are smoking it or not. the faster it burns, the more likely you are to light up another right away.

Now, pipe tobacco has fewer chemical additives, other than flavorings and is generally rougher and broader cut, Captain Black, mentioned above, is a roasted Cavendish flavored with vanilla extract. It, or rather, my tobacconist's version of it was one of my favorites. I preferred the latter as Captain Black is a "drug store blend) with a moisture content of about 6%-8% to improve shelf life. Tobacconists' versions were more like 4%. A higher moisture content burns hotter and "bites" the tongue.
 
2012-08-05 02:35:14 PM  

ElLoco: I'm sensitive enough to cigarette smoke that I can tell, from inside my house, when someone passes my house on the 70mph highway nearby if they're smoking and their window is down. Seriously. It's that bad.


Can you also tell what fuel the cars are using? That is, can you tell when a group of diesel vehicles passes, or perhaps when a car with a ring problem is burning oil?
 
2012-08-05 02:37:32 PM  

Aulus: OK, a few things.

Cigarette tobacco and pipe tobacco, as well as cigar tobacco are vastly different. As any pipe smoker knows, you set a lit pipe down and it will go out. Set a lit cig down and it will keep burning. a cig is basically a fuse. In fact, when I was in college, we had some guys in the dorm who used them exactly for that. If you make a hole across a cig, just distal to the filter and light it, then stick the fuse of a cherry bomb or the like thru the hole and set it down, you have two full minutes witha king size for it to burn down to the cherry bomb fuse, more than enough time to get well away.

It burns continupusly because it is cut finer, it isn't as tightly packed and there are other chemiocals in the tobacco blend designed to keep it burning. It is in the tobacco companies' interest to keep it burning, whether you are smoking it or not. the faster it burns, the more likely you are to light up another right away.

Now, pipe tobacco has fewer chemical additives, other than flavorings and is generally rougher and broader cut, Captain Black, mentioned above, is a roasted Cavendish flavored with vanilla extract. It, or rather, my tobacconist's version of it was one of my favorites. I preferred the latter as Captain Black is a "drug store blend) with a moisture content of about 6%-8% to improve shelf life. Tobacconists' versions were more like 4%. A higher moisture content burns hotter and "bites" the tongue.


It's changed since you were a kid. Manufactured cigarettes now go out if you don't take a drag after about a minute. Pipe tobacco when rolled doesn't.
 
2012-08-05 02:38:54 PM  

ElLoco: Aulus: nihilspawn: Maybe that is because pipe tobacco doesn't taste like you're licking an ash tray.

This. I was a pipe smoker for 24 years but quit 20 years ago. Pipe tobacco almost always has more flavor, better flavor and more variety. Still a nasty habit.

You know, oddly... pipe and cigar smoke doesn't seem to affect my allergies when I'm around it. It's rather enjoyable, usually. Cigarette smoke is quite literally like a slap in the face to me. As soon as I get the slightest whiff of it for the first time, it makes me involuntarily flinch and jerk my head. Then I can feel my sinuses swelling. :/ I honestly don't know what the difference really is between the types of smoke. Not all cigarettes do that, but most do. I don't smoke weed, either, but good weed has the most sweet and pleasant smell of just about any inhaled smoke product I've been around. It's kinda weird about that, I guess.

I'm sensitive enough to cigarette smoke that I can tell, from inside my house, when someone passes my house on the 70mph highway nearby if they're smoking and their window is down. Seriously. It's that bad.


I used to smoke cigarettes. As a teen in jr high and high school, quit when I was 17. Didn't smoke for something like 10 years, then when I was going out clubbing a lot after college, I would smoke from memorial day to labor day. just during the summer, and a pack for new year's eve. Oddly enough, when I got laid off in 2003 (oct 1, start the last quarter of the year right, unemployed, yay), my first stop after leaving the parking lot with my cardboard box on my passenger seat was to a gas station where I bought a pack of marlboro reds. Smokes were still cheap back then (by today's standards, anyway). I was going through a pack a week, sometimes starting a second pack on friday if I ran out before the week was done.

Some years later, there was a lot of hulabaloo about chemical additives to certain popular brands, nudge nudge wink wink. At the time, there were only a few brands that did not use these additives and I switched to unfiltered camels. fark it, in for a penny, in for a pound. I hate lights, ultra lights, they smell and taste far worse than real tobacco, and don't even get me started on menthol. Gag me with a spoon. Then they passed the cigarette safety thing where they added chemicals to make them go out easier so drunks would stop setting their beds and couches on fire when they passed out smoking.

Which is so farking gross to begin with. First of all, I don't even like smoking indoors, I hate marinating in smoke. how anybody could just lie in bed or on a couch smoking a butt while supine (or even sitting up) is utterly beyond me. And I'm a smoker. I digress. I'm not a fan of more chemicals in anything, especially for a reason that I will never need to take advantage of (no, don't live in an apartment, won't ever if I can help it.) I switch to buying pouches of tobacco and hand rolling my own smokes. I don't like filters, they litter the ground and take up to 4 to 5 years to breakdown, sometimes even longer.

for badhatharry I dissected a camel unfiltered this year, when I bought a pack in a fit of laziness instead of my pouch of tobacco. What I found inside barely resembled tobacco. It was mostly thinly sliced portions of the stems and petioles that is normally excised from quality pouch tobacco. In answer to your question, technically, it is still the same plant. Sort of how like the stalk is part of the corn plant, except that isn't the part you want. The 'tobacco' in the camel looked more like sawdust and floor sweepings. And goodness knows what other shiat is in there. Beyond the ammonia that the swag is treated with to do (?), exactly what, I'm not sure. The difference in flavor between the fresh pack of camels and a fresh pouch of Samson (dutch brand I currently favor) is night and day. The camel was so nasty, I soaked the rest of the pack in water and threw it away, just to make sure that I wouldn't get desperate and take them back out to assuage that stupid scottish great great great grand ancestor who hates to see money wasted.

Incidentally, I'm actually in a smoke free phase right now. My weed supply for my glaucoma is almost non-existent and when I smoke one, I want to smoke the other. I've found that if I eat my herb for my medicinal needs, I do not desire the tobacco chaser. Frankly, I'm ready to quit smoking altogether, the public reception out there is just too farking hostile anymore to be able to enjoy it, even in the light recreational mode that I was consuming it in. I haven't had anything to smoke for 3 weeks now, haven't gained any weight and as far as I can tell, am not any more crotched than my usual curmudgeon self.
 
2012-08-05 02:49:46 PM  
Pipe tobacco also comes with different types of tobacco. Most cigs are of a Maryland type tobacco, with maybe a little Virginia.

When I was smoking a pipe, my three favorites were black cavendish (mentioned above), burleigh ( a kind of bland, general pupose type) and Virginia (a sharp, sweet type that burns a little hotter than most.). All had different tastes and aromas. Black cavendish left an aroma much like roasting marshmallows. when my ex was pregnant with our kids, she could not stand the aroma of Virginia, either in the can or burning. Then again, she could not stand the smell of coffee then, either.

Now, if you want to clear a room of people, especially non-smokers, load up a pipe with The Balkan Sobrainie (TM). It is a mixture of two Turkish tobaccos, Latakia and Perique. Very strong aroma.
 
2012-08-05 02:55:59 PM  

Aulus: Set a lit cig down and it will keep burning


Not anymore. Modern cigarettes use special paper that will go out if not smoked.

In the past, additives did keep cigarettes burning. Then laws were enacted to make cigarettes fire safe and require them to go out on their own. Instead of removing the additives, special paper was designed to achieve this. A lot of crap to go through when a ryo cigarette with organic cigarette tobacco will also go out on it's own.
 
2012-08-05 02:57:12 PM  
DNRTFA (too damn hot today), but this reminded me of working a music buying at a major retailer last decade, and while every quarter CD sales got lower and low,er vinyl was always picking up! Now, if those trends would just continue for about 120 years or so, vinyl would be back on top!
 
2012-08-05 02:58:45 PM  

danno_to_infinity: The difference in flavor between the fresh pack of camels and a fresh pouch of Samson (dutch brand I currently favor) is night and day.


^So much this, I smoked sampson for years, most of the stuff that is in these little filtered cigars is the stuff i would pick out of a cigg before rolling, I cut into one a few days ago and It literally had 1/8in thick pieces of stem in it.
 
2012-08-05 03:05:52 PM  

badhatharry: Aulus: Set a lit cig down and it will keep burning

Not anymore. Modern cigarettes use special paper that will go out if not smoked.

In the past, additives did keep cigarettes burning. Then laws were enacted to make cigarettes fire safe and require them to go out on their own. Instead of removing the additives, special paper was designed to achieve this. A lot of crap to go through when a ryo cigarette with organic cigarette tobacco will also go out on it's own.


Well, learned something new. Since I never smoked cigs, I didn't follow this.
 
2012-08-05 03:17:17 PM  
The major cigarette companies do add a lot of bad stuff the cigarettes. I believe the paper is worse than any of the the additives. I roll my own American Spirit tobacco. It has no additives. If you smoke roll your own American Spirit loose tobacco vs. a pack of American Spirit, you will be able to tell how bad the fsc paper is. I don't think it's just me.
 
2012-08-05 03:21:22 PM  
Now, if you want to clear a room of people, especially non-smokers, load up a pipe with The Balkan Sobrainie (TM). It is a mixture of two Turkish tobaccos, Latakia and Perique. Very strong aroma.

Rarely smoke a pipe these days, but I LOVE that stuff. Put a lot of Dunhill Nightcap to the flame, but later found cheaper mixtures from onilne tobacconists. But these days, it's just cigars for me (smoking a lovely La Aurora Preferido I got cheap from an online auction right now).

I wonder if it isn't blunts that are driving the sales mentioned in the article?
 
2012-08-05 03:30:13 PM  

pedrop357: ElLoco: I'm sensitive enough to cigarette smoke that I can tell, from inside my house, when someone passes my house on the 70mph highway nearby if they're smoking and their window is down. Seriously. It's that bad.

Can you also tell what fuel the cars are using? That is, can you tell when a group of diesel vehicles passes, or perhaps when a car with a ring problem is burning oil?


thats nothing , i can tell what a woman had for lunch from across a crowded football stadium just by the smell of her farts
 
2012-08-05 04:09:28 PM  
I realize I'm joining this late but here's my 2-drachmas: I always loved the clove cigs---Djarums and Sampoerneas---mainly as a drinking/party standby. Heck, during the 80's the cloves were like girl-magnets (seriously). Not long after my beloved Djarums were banned in the US I heard that Phillip-Morris bought Sampornea and effectively shut them down (not sure of the veracity of that story but it makes sense). Cloves came back with the non-paper wrappers and I've cut back smoking them mainly due to the fact they can be nasty if not smoked with an external filter. --- I NEVER smoked clover because they were "flavored" or whatnot...I smoked them because I liked them and they weren't as full of chemicals as RJR, et al, smokes. I'm quite certain this whole deal was just another government "feel good/ protect the gerd-derm children" measure which, not coincidentally, was spearheaded by Big Tobacco.
 
2012-08-05 04:15:06 PM  
James Dean's Pants: danno_to_infinity: The difference in flavor between the fresh pack of camels and a fresh pouch of Samson (dutch brand I currently favor) is night and day.

^So much this, I smoked sampson for years, most of the stuff that is in these little filtered cigars is the stuff i would pick out of a cigg before rolling, I cut into one a few days ago and It literally had 1/8in thick pieces of stem in it.


I'm not even sure they bother to sort the field weeds from the tobacco when they mass-produce cigarettes anymore. When I quite (9/2011) the things didn't smell like actual tobacco. They just add or remove nicotine and whatever in during processing anyways. The nicotine in ecigs probably gets extracted and sold before they make cigarettes from the leftovers.
 
2012-08-05 04:25:07 PM  
e-cig user for over 8 months now (ego-c type B). I spend a little less than a dollar a day. Best decision I ever made.
 
2012-08-05 04:38:51 PM  
Trackball: badhatharry: ElLoco: You know, oddly... pipe and cigar smoke doesn't seem to affect my allergies when I'm around it. It's rather enjoyable

Cigarette, pipe, and cigar tobacco are not very different. It's the cigarette paper that is terrible.

We have a winner for dumbest post of the day!!!


I have him labeled as a birther and an astrology believer. So this surprises me not in the least.
 
2012-08-05 04:58:25 PM  
My gf buys two 2-packs of White Owls a day. For weed, of course..

/wouldn't date a tobacco smoker
 
2012-08-05 06:13:14 PM  

scottapeshot: Now, if you want to clear a room of people, especially non-smokers, load up a pipe with The Balkan Sobrainie (TM). It is a mixture of two Turkish tobaccos, Latakia and Perique. Very strong aroma.

Rarely smoke a pipe these days, but I LOVE that stuff. Put a lot of Dunhill Nightcap to the flame, but later found cheaper mixtures from onilne tobacconists. But these days, it's just cigars for me (smoking a lovely La Aurora Preferido I got cheap from an online auction right now).

I wonder if it isn't blunts that are driving the sales mentioned in the article?


While I quit smoking 20 years ago, I did break that a bit when my grandkids were born, three years ago and almost 13 years ago. I passed out H Upmann Churchills and smoked a few of them myself as I did so, and then only outside.
 
2012-08-05 06:29:37 PM  
Someone mentioned perique tobacco up thread. American Spirit makes a perique blend cigarette (black package for full flavor, gray for light). The perique for it is actually grown in Louisiana and that is the only place in the US where it is grown.

/random factoid
//not terribly interesting, I know
 
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