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2012-08-05 07:24:39 AM
Sure, but all Romney has is the economy. If it continues to get better, he's toast.
 
2012-08-05 08:05:15 AM
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2012-08-05 08:09:13 AM
Romney spoke for about 10 minutes before heading to a series of private fundraisers. He took a pulled-chicken sandwich to go.

I'm glad they clarified what he had for lunch. Inquiring minds were eager to know.
 
2012-08-05 08:10:17 AM
FTFA He said previous stimulus efforts hadn't been successfu
The fact that he repeats that lie over and over should disqualify him from the presidency for life.
 
2012-08-05 08:12:45 AM
Every time Romney of all people talks about "jobs" I feel like punching a kitten.
 
2012-08-05 08:18:40 AM
FTA: "Mitt Romney attacked what he calls "an extraordinary series of policy failures" from President Barack Obama, but said Saturday that America is "poised to take off economically."

Oh, Jesus Tapdancing Horse.
 
2012-08-05 08:24:25 AM
Keep pulling that chicken
 
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2012-08-05 08:25:13 AM
"These are real families having real hard times,"

Yes Mr. Romney, you should know all about real people having hard times. You've created 100,000's of Americans experiencing hard times by sending their jobs to China for profit. You of course have been a multimillionaire your entire life and don't have a clue about such things.
 
2012-08-05 08:34:29 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Keep pulling that chicken


Gin mill I go to smokes half chickens on Fridays. I'm going to suggest pulled chicken sandwiches with that.

Call it a Smoked Romney
 
2012-08-05 08:48:43 AM
Whenever an idiot republican starts telling me that the Presidents economic policies have been a failure, I simply say one thing- 600,000. Of course they don't know what that means. then I tell them "That is the number of jobs PER MONTH that we were losing when Obama took office". Then I ask them how many jobs per month we are losing now. Of course, half the time they don't know.
 
2012-08-05 08:51:11 AM
just imagine how things might be if the GOP hadn't made it their mission to tank the economy to help themselves politically.
 
2012-08-05 08:52:01 AM
The fact that Romney is spending significant time in Indiana 90 days from the election can't be a good thing for the GOP. I know Fartbongo carried the state in 2008, but Romney has a seven point lead in 2012. Either he's wasting time, or his internals know something we don't know; neither are good.
 
2012-08-05 08:53:25 AM
My doctor, who I consider a moderate Republican, told me Obama has been a complete failure, and the only hope for America is Romney.

He then said tax cuts for the rich were necessary to create jobs. When I brought up the failure of tax cuts to create jobs since 2001, he changed the subject to how he needs his taxes cut, because Obama considers him rich.

Maybe I need a new doctor. Didn't know I was seeing a witch doctor.
 
2012-08-05 08:55:22 AM
I would really just like to see Obama find that guy that does the bad lip reading videos and have him change Romney's speeches with one or two words so they turn in to a defense of Obama's positions.

He can start with that video where Romney holds a press conference to defend the job loss numbers at the beginning of his term in Massachusetts. You know, the one that exactly defends the job loss record for Obama.
 
2012-08-05 08:55:37 AM
I really can't say that I know whether Obama's policies have helped or hurt. I believe they've helped more than hurt. But I am also sure that economies move in cycles, regardless of policies. When Reagan got in, the economy swung up, and ever since it's been, "Carter: worst president ever, Reagan: Our Holy Blessed Savior."

In fact I'm pretty sure the economy would have improved if Carter had been re-elected. It might not have been the same; maybe it would have been less of an improvement, maybe more. I'm pretty sure that Carter wouldn't have kicked off a huge military spending spree, but then, maybe it was that spree the helped to kick off the recovery, even if it has left us where we are now, spending more on "defense" than the rest of the world combined and complaining that we aren't spending enough, while shrieking about deficits and demanding that social spending be eliminated so we can build more aircraft carriers.

Another thing I'm sure about: If Rmoney is elected, and the economy improves, then there will be another whole round of GOP mythmaking. And this time it will be putting a Mormon up on the Sacred Pedestal, which should cause some uncomfortable seat-shifting among the, shall we say, purer elements of the right wing. But then Ronny was a CIRO (Christian in Rhetoric Only) who consulted astrologers. So they'll work it out.
 
2012-08-05 08:56:15 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: My doctor, who I consider a moderate Republican, told me Obama has been a complete failure, and the only hope for America is Romney.

He then said tax cuts for the rich were necessary to create jobs. When I brought up the failure of tax cuts to create jobs since 2001, he changed the subject to how he needs his taxes cut, because Obama considers him rich.

Maybe I need a new doctor. Didn't know I was seeing a witch doctor.


You do need a new doctor. Why the hell was he talking politics during an appointment?
 
2012-08-05 08:56:29 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: My doctor, who I consider a moderate Republican, told me Obama has been a complete failure, and the only hope for America is Romney. He then said tax cuts for the rich were necessary to create jobs. When I brought up the failure of tax cuts to create jobs since 2001, he changed the subject to how he needs his taxes cut, because Obama considers him rich.


Lots of highly-paid professionals think this way. The shorter version? "Obama is a failure because he might raise my taxes." I'm not terribly excited about paying more taxes either, but you get the country you pay for (or don't), so....
 
2012-08-05 08:57:04 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: who I consider a moderate Republican


These are the views of nutjobs. Granted, perhaps middle-of-the-road "republicans" are nutjobs these days. But, they are not moderate views in any way, shape, or form.

AMonkey'sUncle: told me Obama has been a complete failure


AMonkey'sUncle: and the only hope for America is Romney


AMonkey'sUncle: tax cuts for the rich were necessary to create jobs

 
2012-08-05 08:57:15 AM

gimmegimme: FTA: "Mitt Romney attacked what he calls "an extraordinary series of policy failures" from President Barack Obama, but said Saturday that America is "poised to take off economically."

Oh, Jesus Tapdancing Horse.


Translation:elect me and we'll stop holding the economy for ransom. Reelect the nihblah and we'll continue to block forward progress that could be had.
 
2012-08-05 09:01:08 AM

NFA: "These are real families having real hard times,"

Yes Mr. Romney, you should know all about real people having hard times. You've created 100,000's of Americans experiencing hard times by sending their jobs to China for profit. You of course have been a multimillionaire your entire life and don't have a clue about such things.



I think he meant "real families" as opposed to the fake families they round up for whistlestop political rallies.
 
2012-08-05 09:06:40 AM

Dinki: Whenever an idiot republican starts telling me that the Presidents economic policies have been a failure, I simply say one thing- 600,000. Of course they don't know what that means. then I tell them "That is the number of jobs PER MONTH that we were losing when Obama took office". Then I ask them how many jobs per month we are losing now. Of course, half the time they don't know.


I just ask them specifically which policies are holding the economy back. This question needs to be asked a lot more often.
 
2012-08-05 09:07:53 AM
One woman suggests that the Republican wants to return to the laws of the 1950s.

The pitting of one group against another seems to be the main tactic of the Democrats, what happened to Obama's promise to be inclusive.
 
2012-08-05 09:08:12 AM
I guess we should define what "doing better" means -- and for whom -- a handful of tea bagging 1% ers or everyone else. Is "doing better" cutting services for middle class Americans while the 1% gets wealthier, or is "doing better" trying to return to what made America great for decades -- including the expectation that wealthy people and corporations actually paid taxes.

It just depends what people think is fair. If hiding assets in Switzerland and the Caymans is fair, then Mitt should win easily. If tea bagging Republicans who own land and get medicare arguing for cuts in government services other than ones that impact them is fair .. then we'll have another Republican win in 2012.
 
2012-08-05 09:11:04 AM
He said previous stimulus efforts hadn't been successful, adding that it would be "insanity" to expect a different result in the future.

What we should be doing is returning to supply-side economics by cutting taxes for the richest whie raising taxes for everyone else. Because we should defeinited get a different result from trying that again. We've spend thirty years working that slot machine, it's due to pay off any spin now.

I've never seen a decent explaination of why supply-side economics is a better idea than demand-side. If you leave more money in the hands of the lower and middle class, they'll spend most of it in judt day-to-day living, And somebody will have to provide those goods and services.

Whereas if you leave more money in the hands of the upper class, they might just sock it away in a swiss bank account. And even if they do happen to use it to create jobs, who's going to have the money to buy those goods? Even if supply-side economics worked perfectly ad we got full employment, their would be less than a 10% increase in the number of people with money to spend. Why woud someone create a job just to stick it's product in a warehouse waiting for demand to pick up?
 
2012-08-05 09:14:03 AM
"The people of America recognize that the slowdown in jobs that occurred during the early years of the Bush administration were the result of a perfect storm. And an effort by one candidate to somehow say 'Oh, this recession and the slowdown in jobs was the result of somehow this president magically being elected...' people in America just dismiss that as being poppycock. And they recognize it as that."

-Mitt Romney in 2004
 
2012-08-05 09:14:10 AM

Karac: Whereas if you leave more money in the hands of the upper class, they might just sock it away in a swiss bank account.


But don't you see? Those banks will invest the money to make delicious Swiss cheese, Swiss watches, and Swiss Miss chocolate. The world will be a better place, and we will be happy.
 
2012-08-05 09:14:55 AM

smitty04: One woman suggests that the Republican wants to return to the laws of the 1950s.

The pitting of one group against another seems to be the main tactic of the Democrats, what happened to Obama's promise to be inclusive.


Being inclusive doesn't mean "doing whatever the GOP's billionaire sponsors tell us to do." It means things like:

1) Everybody can get married
2) Every citizen can vote

If there is something where Obama is not entirely inclusive, it is his insistence that a "person" consists of flesh and blood rather than charters, certificates, stocks, and legal departments.
 
2012-08-05 09:16:45 AM

smitty04: One woman suggests that the Republican wants to return to the laws of the 1950s.

The pitting of one group against another seems to be the main tactic of the Democrats, what happened to Obama's promise to be inclusive.


You guys refused to be included.
 
2012-08-05 09:17:23 AM
He's been lying about the economy all year, if not longer. So what else is new?
 
2012-08-05 09:20:21 AM

Dinki: FTFA He said previous stimulus efforts hadn't been successfu
The fact that he repeats that lie over and over should disqualify him from the presidency for life.


I would say there's a grain of truth in that statement though. And it would be this:

Previous stimulus efforts that originate from the federal reserve are not working. The fed can only stimulate the banking sector. And they have done so on 3 occasions, pumping about 2 trillion into the banking sector so that the zombie banks holding tons of derivatives of questionable value would actually "appear" healthy.

The Fed does this in the hopes that it will stimulate lending, especially with the low interest rates the Fed has due to being stuck in a liquidity trap and being able to sell Treasuries at real negative interest (this is free money for those who can't grasp this sort of thing.).

Trouble with that is, there's a deep drop in demand for borrowing because middle America is still paying off the private debt it accrued during the boom and reeling from far too high unemployment for far too long. So, no where near enough of Fed stimulus ever actually makes it to main street America because not enough of main street is in a position to resume purchasing.

The only stimulus that will work would have to originate from Congress and go directly to middle America, bypassing the traditional finance sector altogether. Unfortunately, the Teaparty sweep in 2010 coupled with the GoP's prior insistence on preventing most anything this president has put forth is what is actually holding back the economy.

It is not the president's policies that have failed, rather it is congress' inability to enact ANY of the president's post 2009 policies, that is failing middle America.

Mitt Romney knows this but would spin GoP intransigence because...that's politics in America.

The GoP have been treasonous. Abandoning American citizens to years of suffering, all for the sake of power. Everything this president has proposed in terms of stimulating the economy (His jobs bill, the infrastructure bank, a second stimulus bill in 2009) has been done in previous recessions with provable positive results.
 
2012-08-05 09:24:56 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: My doctor, who I consider a moderate Republican, told me Obama has been a complete failure, and the only hope for America is Romney.

He then said tax cuts for the rich were necessary to create jobs. When I brought up the failure of tax cuts to create jobs since 2001, he changed the subject to how he needs his taxes cut, because Obama considers him rich.

Maybe I need a new doctor. Didn't know I was seeing a witch doctor.


I hope Obama uses this question in the debates, in regards to tax cuts. I hope it gives Mitt a BSOD.
 
2012-08-05 09:27:10 AM

smitty04: One woman suggests that the Republican wants to return to the laws of the 1950s.

The pitting of one group against another seems to be the main tactic of the Democrats, what happened to Obama's promise to be inclusive.


The 2010 mid term election happened. It brought into power, in the House, the GoP re-branded as Teaparty but really, just the same old John Birch dixiecrats the Dems ran out of their party some 50 years ago.

What hit this president was God, Guns and Oligarchy with a smattering of overt racism fueled by a billion dollars worth of lies unchallenged by the corporate run American media. Bought by a handful of America's "Job Creators" who, thanks to the Federal Reserve's policy of stimulating the FIRE sector only, are now sitting on some 2 trillion in cash.
 
2012-08-05 09:28:16 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: Maybe I need a new doctor.



Yes, you do. If only for the fact that he's bringing up politics at all during your visit.

That is, of course, unless you brought it up first.
 
2012-08-05 09:28:29 AM

Dinki: Whenever an idiot republican starts telling me that the Presidents economic policies have been a failure, I simply say one thing- 600,000. Of course they don't know what that means. then I tell them "That is the number of jobs PER MONTH that we were losing when Obama took office". Then I ask them how many jobs per month we are losing now. Of course, half the time they don't know.


At some point, a president has to take some responsibility for the current situation, instead of blaming his predecessor. The Democrats' policies and debt-expanding initiatives are clearly stifling economic growth and change is needed.

The only question is whether Romney can make real and lasting spending cuts. Its not clear, but he would be an imporvement over a pres who is content to function with trillion dollar deficits and no budget every year.
 
2012-08-05 09:28:31 AM
They aren't the President's policies.

He didn't built that.

Someone else built the roads near the White House.

Why give him all the credit?
 
2012-08-05 09:29:59 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: My doctor, who I consider a moderate Republican, told me Obama has been a complete failure, and the only hope for America is Romney.

He then said tax cuts for the rich were necessary to create jobs. When I brought up the failure of tax cuts to create jobs since 2001, he changed the subject to how he needs his taxes cut, because Obama considers him rich.

Maybe I need a new doctor. Didn't know I was seeing a witch doctor.


supply-side, trickle-down economics has NEVER worked in a large western democracy - EVER. yet greedy people continue to support it because it means that they'll take home more money at the expense of others. yet keynesian economic theory has worked wonders in actual practice - the 30-year postwar boom is testament to this.

how the supply-siders manage to continue to peddle their bullshiat snake-oil is mystifying to me.
 
2012-08-05 09:30:31 AM
"Mitt Romney attacked what he calls "an extraordinary series of policy failures" from President Barack Obama, but said Saturday that America is "poised to take off economically."

The operative word being "poised". People don't want to make a business move when they don't know what new tax/regulation might be in the wings, depending on who gets elected. If it's Obama, prepare for another 4 years of stagnation (at best).
 
2012-08-05 09:31:25 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: They aren't the President's policies.

He didn't built that.

Someone else built the roads near the White House.

Why give him all the credit?


"Blah, blah, blah, blah."

There, I've typed out your next 300 comments. Now just cut & paste.

Don't say I never helped you out.
 
2012-08-05 09:31:30 AM

Animatronik: At some point, a president has to take some responsibility for the current situation, instead of blaming his predecessor. The Democrats' policies and debt-expanding initiatives are clearly stifling economic growth and change is needed.


So what you're saying is that at some point Obama has to take the blame for Bush's policies between 2001-2009? Why?

Additionally, what specific policies and how are they specifically stifling growth? Would it be the tax cuts? Or possibly the stimulus spending which third-party organizations have shown over and over again to have created millions of jobs? No? Huh. Well, I'm stumped.
 
2012-08-05 09:31:40 AM

miss diminutive: Romney spoke for about 10 minutes before heading to a series of private fundraisers. He took a pulled-chicken sandwich to go.

I'm glad they clarified what he had for lunch. Inquiring minds were eager to know.


Why wasn't it a Chick-Fil-A chicken sandwich? We haven't discussed Chick-Fil-A's political situation in like, ten minutes.
 
2012-08-05 09:32:17 AM

Animatronik: The Democrats' policies and debt-expanding initiatives are clearly stifling economic growth and change is needed.


Yes, we should follow in the steps of his predecessor which resulted in the slowest economic growth in decades.

I love how you guys keep insisting that the economy would be that better off with the Republicans in charge, but can't explain to me how that would be the case outside a bunch of platitudes and bumper sticker slogans.
 
2012-08-05 09:32:18 AM

jjorsett: People don't want to make a business move when they don't know what new tax/regulation might be in the wings,


So is that the explanation for why there was no job growth under Bush? They didn't know if the tax cuts were going to expire?
 
2012-08-05 09:34:00 AM

smitty04: One woman suggests that the Republican wants to return to the laws of the 1950s.

The pitting of one group against another seems to be the main tactic of the Democrats, what happened to Obama's promise to be inclusive.


It died a quick and ignoble death the very first night of his presidentcy, when Eric Cantor, Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan, Newt Gingrich, and about a dozen other republicans swore a blood oath to "challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign.
 
2012-08-05 09:34:30 AM

2wolves: tenpoundsofcheese: They aren't the President's policies.

He didn't built that.

Someone else built the roads near the White House.

Why give him all the credit?

"Blah, blah, blah, blah."

There, I've typed out your next 300 comments. Now just cut & paste.

Don't say I never helped you out.


You didn't type them out. A teacher helped you somewhere, a computer manufacturer made that keyboard.

Stop taking ALL the credit.
 
2012-08-05 09:34:46 AM

Animatronik: The Democrats' policies and debt-expanding initiatives are clearly stifling economic growth and change is needed.


It's the recession that fuels the debt moran. The lack of a recovery is a combination of bad advice from economic advisors coupled with some very public intransigence on the part of conservative factions in congress.

Along with several Bush era policies still impacting the economy, those tax cuts were horribly irresponsible and do need to sunset out as they were designed to do.
 
2012-08-05 09:34:49 AM

cameroncrazy1984: jjorsett: People don't want to make a business move when they don't know what new tax/regulation might be in the wings,

So is that the explanation for why there was no job growth under Bush? They didn't know if the tax cuts were going to expire?


Obviously, they were scared to death what would happen once Obama got in.
 
2012-08-05 09:34:56 AM

jjorsett: "Mitt Romney attacked what he calls "an extraordinary series of policy failures" from President Barack Obama, but said Saturday that America is "poised to take off economically."

The operative word being "poised". People don't want to make a business move when they don't know what new tax/regulation might be in the wings, depending on who gets elected. If it's Obama, prepare for another 4 years of stagnation (at best).


This just in: business people are craven cowards!
 
2012-08-05 09:35:51 AM

Karac: Whereas if you leave more money in the hands of the upper class, they might just sock it away in a swiss bank account. And even if they do happen to use it to create jobs, who's going to have the money to buy those goods?


I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your over-all point. But the people with money to buy those goods would be the people whose jobs were created.
 
2012-08-05 09:36:15 AM

miss diminutive: Romney spoke for about 10 minutes before heading to a series of private fundraisers. He took a pulled-chicken sandwich to go.

I'm glad they clarified what he had for lunch. Inquiring minds were eager to know.


It's all that is left of the chicken his ilk have been farking for four years.
 
2012-08-05 09:36:53 AM

the_geek: Karac: Whereas if you leave more money in the hands of the upper class, they might just sock it away in a swiss bank account. And even if they do happen to use it to create jobs, who's going to have the money to buy those goods?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your over-all point. But the people with money to buy those goods would be the people whose jobs were created.


Except that no job has ever been created because of tax cuts. Not one job. However, if you stimulate demand, that has been shown to create millions of jobs. It's science!
 
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