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2012-08-04 06:14:20 PM
"Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!
 
2012-08-04 06:17:22 PM
This should be interesting.
 
2012-08-04 06:17:59 PM
What's even more sad is that the DA chose to prosecute this. Or a judge agreed to hear it.
 
2012-08-04 06:19:32 PM
I hope he wins. I really don't see how it can be argued we don't live in an oppressive police state when you can go to prison for twenty years for filming the police in public.
 
2012-08-04 06:19:36 PM

ultraholland: "Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!


Your statement means nothing. Whats he digging? What cause is he a renegade from? Who is he a liability to? Comeback with some substance, thanks for playing
 
2012-08-04 06:20:41 PM
Way to simplify things, Subby
 
2012-08-04 06:20:57 PM
Instead of the specifics of this story, can we talk about Vermont's jury nullification law? I love that the defense is allowed to inform the jury of their right to acquit if they think the law is unjust. I've heard of lawyers getting in trouble (contempt, sanctions?) for trying to tell a jury they can nullify. Prosecutors really don't like it when juries know it. I sort of think Vermont would be a good place to get out of a marijuana charge.
 
2012-08-04 06:21:40 PM

agos1247: ultraholland: "Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!

Your statement means nothing. Whats he digging? What cause is he a renegade from? Who is he a liability to? Comeback with some substance, thanks for playing


WHOOSH
 
2012-08-04 06:22:12 PM

ubermensch: Way to simplify things, Subby


Subby didn't simplify it at all. It is what it is.
 
2012-08-04 06:24:13 PM

agos1247: ultraholland: "Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!

Your statement means nothing. Whats he digging? What cause is he a renegade from? Who is he a liability to? Comeback with some substance, thanks for playing


I don't even know where that's from, but even I recognized it was a quote from a book/movie. >:\
 
2012-08-04 06:24:42 PM
Let's hear what the police have to say about this.

"I hope this cop hating creep gets life in prison at a supermax facility. It's idiots like Ademo that stir society up to make people think it is ok to assault and kill officers. This man needs to be silenced and put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life and his stupid website should be erased for good."

Protecting and serving at its finest.
 
2012-08-04 06:28:05 PM

agos1247: ultraholland: "Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!

Your statement means nothing. Whats he digging? What cause is he a renegade from? Who is he a liability to? Comeback with some substance, thanks for playing


Not sure, but I think ultraholland was being sarcastic.
 
2012-08-04 06:28:49 PM

WhyteRaven74: ubermensch: Way to simplify things, Subby

Subby didn't simplify it at all. It is what it is.


No. First, it's debatable if he's actually a journalist. I'm not going to argue that.

Secondly, he wasn't arrested for publishing, he was arrested under a stupid law for wiretapping. The press is still free, he broke a law (albeit a stupid one).
 
2012-08-04 06:29:06 PM

ubermensch: Way to simplify things, Subby


Yes, nothing distills a story down like linking to a CNN ireport post that's a complete copy of a press release issued by the supporters of the guy going on trial.


According to what little other reporting there is on the incident, the guy apparently called the cops for comment on something they did, recorded the conversations without their knowledge or permission, and used said recordings in an online posting. It's a no-no.
 
2012-08-04 06:29:52 PM

ubermensch: WhyteRaven74: ubermensch: Way to simplify things, Subby

Subby didn't simplify it at all. It is what it is.

No. First, it's debatable if he's actually a journalist. I'm not going to argue that.

Secondly, he wasn't arrested for publishing, he was arrested under a stupid law for wiretapping. The press is still free, he broke a law (albeit a stupid one).


He didn't break a law, the law is being inappropriately applied.
 
2012-08-04 06:30:17 PM
What we need is more government to keep things like this from happening.
 
2012-08-04 06:31:01 PM

agos1247: ultraholland: "Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!

Your statement means nothing. Whats he digging? What cause is he a renegade from? Who is he a liability to? Comeback with some substance, thanks for playing


Yep, right over your head. Hilarious.
 
2012-08-04 06:31:06 PM
Police can get a warrant on us, I don't see why the people need a warrant to record calls with public officials.
 
2012-08-04 06:31:36 PM
I think me may be going to jail. Even though I don't think he should, if the jury pool is from an conservative area he is going to jail. Remember these are authoritarian type people that believe the police should have the power to do anything, and applaud and cheer when the police bust the heads of "Liberals" like him that protest. A jury from a conservative area would send him to jail just to send a message to Liberals.
 
2012-08-04 06:31:48 PM
Force is to be used to control a situation when an officer believes the suspect may harm themselves or others and must be stopped when the person is no longer a threat. The standard procedure is cops pull their weapons and failure to obey a command is sufficient cause for officers to act. Wiretapping laws were created before the widespread use of cellphones, video recorders, and digital cameras- the laws have not kept up with technology. Intent should be part of the law- someone taking a video of their families or tourists saving images of landmarks or transportation vehicles should not be automatically considered terrorism.
 
2012-08-04 06:33:31 PM
Not sure, but I think ultraholland was being sarcastic.

I don't even know where that's from, but even I recognized it was a quote from a book/movie. >:\


Then I rescind my statement. This shiat kinda pisses me off and have little room left for recognizing quotes or sarcasm
 
2012-08-04 06:34:55 PM

karilee183: Let's hear what the police have to say about this.

"I hope this cop hating creep gets life in prison at a supermax facility. It's idiots like Ademo that stir society up to make people think it is ok to assault and kill officers. This man needs to be silenced and put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life and his stupid website should be erased for good."

Protecting and serving at its finest.


This guy isn't exactly a journalist, and this isn't as clear cut as his supporters want to make it out to be, but I'm pretty sure it's actually guys like the quoted saying things like this that stirs society up.
 
2012-08-04 06:37:21 PM

Girion47: What's even more sad is that the DA chose to prosecute this. Or a judge agreed to hear it.


To Protect and Serve

To Protect their jobs
To serve the Asshole that became the Police Chief.

Cops are never your friends. Good ones are automatically contemptible wastes of oxygen because they "close ranks" to protect the bad apples.
 
2012-08-04 06:38:00 PM

ongbok: I think me may be going to jail. Even though I don't think he should, if the jury pool is from an conservative area he is going to jail. Remember these are authoritarian type people that believe the police should have the power to do anything, and applaud and cheer when the police bust the heads of "Liberals" like him that protest. A jury from a conservative area would send him to jail just to send a message to Liberals.


You're being kind of a dick. I am a conservative, and I and all the conservatives I know think this is bullshiat, and in most places the police are out of control.

So stop being a dick. Stop listening to what the hippies in your echo chamber are telling you about conservatives.
 
2012-08-04 06:40:11 PM
And what makes him not a journalist? I suppose that John Jay and Thomas Paine were "not journalists" either?
 
2012-08-04 06:41:14 PM

Cataholic: <SNIP>
Yes, nothing distills a story down like linking to a CNN ireport post that's a complete copy of a press release issued by the supporters of the guy going on trial.


According to what little other reporting there is on the incident, the guy apparently called the cops for comment on something they did, recorded the conversations without their knowledge or permission, and used said recordings in an online posting. It's a no-no.


Yikes! If that's the case...yeah, wiretapping is very sternly prosecuted in states that have two-party consent. Now I personally think that one-party consent is the better system, but if you're interviewing some dude in a two-party state and taping him without his consent, you're going to get a smackdown, and should, police or otherwise. This isn't a distinction without a difference; the cops might not like this dude's investigation, but the kid's in the wrong. Breaking the law (in general; not an unjust law you're fighting against) for a "Good Cause" isn't just.
 
2012-08-04 06:44:29 PM

GORDON: ongbok: I think me may be going to jail. Even though I don't think he should, if the jury pool is from an conservative area he is going to jail. Remember these are authoritarian type people that believe the police should have the power to do anything, and applaud and cheer when the police bust the heads of "Liberals" like him that protest. A jury from a conservative area would send him to jail just to send a message to Liberals.

You're being kind of a dick. I am a conservative, and I and all the conservatives I know think this is bullshiat, and in most places the police are out of control.

So stop being a dick. Stop listening to what the hippies in your echo chamber are telling you about conservatives.


No, I'm not listen to what hippies and the echo chamber tell me. I'm going by what I have seen your fellow conservatives post here on Fark, and what I have seen with my own eyes. For example the collective orgasm that the right had when the police in Oakland decided to raid the OWS camp, or how the right stood up and defended the cop who maced the college kids that were peacefully sitting and protesting.

It may not be you, but most of your fellow right wingers love this kind of stuff and love it to see Liberals get it stuck to them. It's not the echo chamber, it is the truth.
 
2012-08-04 06:44:32 PM
Sass-O-Rev: agos1247: ultraholland: "Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!

Your statement means nothing. Whats he digging? What cause is he a renegade from? Who is he a liability to? Comeback with some substance, thanks for playing

Not sure, but I think ultraholland was being sarcastic.


I'm as serious as a heart attack. He keeps pulling this thread and he'll unravel the whole sweater, revealing a naked truth he can't handle. He's in too deep, dammit!
 
2012-08-04 06:47:55 PM
Ahh yes, and people called me every nasty name in the book when I told them things like The Patriot Act were a slippery slope to a police state.

/Le-et freeee-dommm riiiiing
//USA!! USA!! USA!!
 
2012-08-04 06:48:25 PM
From TFA: "A public official who is on duty and in a public space has no expectation of privacy. The First Circuit Court of Appeals has already ruled on this in Glik vs. Cunniff," said Ian Freeman, co-host of the nationally syndicated radio show Free Talk Live. "

If that's correct I don't see why it would ever make it to trial other than the intimidation factor.
Let this be a lesson to you "civilians." Keep walking, mind your own business and keep your trap SHUT.
 
2012-08-04 06:50:01 PM
This is just a sketchy press release put out by the defendant's friends. I can't find a detailed account of the whole story. He's charged with three counts. What are the circumstances surrounding each of them?

Here's the defendant's story, with three videos. IDK if they're the videos that got him charged.

Link
 
2012-08-04 06:50:12 PM

I_Hate_Iowa: I sort of think Vermont would be a good place to get out of a marijuana charge.


Unless you go all monster truck on their cruisers, yeah........
 
2012-08-04 06:50:56 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Ahh yes, and people called me every nasty name in the book when I told them things like The Patriot Act were a slippery slope to a police state.


The USA PATRIOT Act? Yeah, you probably had people calling you names about that. But you also had a ton of other people furrowing their brows at the blatant jingoism of the name, combined with the contents of the bill that would have been of no use in fighting Islamic terrorists.
 
2012-08-04 06:53:05 PM

GORDON: ongbok: I think me may be going to jail. Even though I don't think he should, if the jury pool is from an conservative area he is going to jail. Remember these are authoritarian type people that believe the police should have the power to do anything, and applaud and cheer when the police bust the heads of "Liberals" like him that protest. A jury from a conservative area would send him to jail just to send a message to Liberals.

You're being kind of a dick. I am a conservative, and I and all the conservatives I know think this is bullshiat, and in most places the police are out of control.

So stop being a dick. Stop listening to what the hippies in your echo chamber are telling you about conservatives.


There is a very interesting online book supporting what ongbok said: The Authoritarians. The author brings data that shows a clear correlation between being conservative and being an authoritarian in the sense of a person that likes bowing to authority. You can call the author a hippy liberal, but it's hard to argue with his data or methods.
 
2012-08-04 06:54:53 PM
Freedom of The Press may not be the same as freedom to post.
 
2012-08-04 06:57:13 PM

ultraholland: "Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!


Exactly. Threatening your wife is one thing, threatening the system is another.
 
2012-08-04 06:57:30 PM
One day, the court system and police are going to go too far.
 
2012-08-04 06:57:32 PM

ongbok: defended the cop who maced the college kids that were peacefully sitting and protesting


Peacefully sitting and blocking the sidewalk and causing a distruption that made it difficult for people to make it to class.

You forgot that part. If they had been sitting peacefully OFF the sidewalk, and got maced, then I'd agree with you.

Your other examples are just as shiatty.
 
2012-08-04 07:00:19 PM

Doc Ok: You can call the author a hippy liberal, but it's hard to argue with his data or methods.


The problem is, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" no longer have any meaning, predictive power, or general utility except as flamebait. Nancy Pelosi would rather see the kid go to jail. Ron Paul would rather see the cop fry.
 
2012-08-04 07:01:07 PM

SevenizGud: Peacefully sitting and blocking the sidewalk


Oh, yes, that old, stupid line.

As someone who actually, you know, graduated from a university with a very similar courtyard/quad, I will politely tell you to go fark yourself and walk in the grass.

Also, the "distraction" was caused when the police showed up and started assaulting people. Until that, it's likely that students would have been walking around these people muttering "pricks" under their breath, at the VERY most.
 
2012-08-04 07:02:59 PM
Seriously, even the world's weakest wheelchair user would not have been slowed by these individuals sitting on the concrete in an area where the turf around them would allow for anyone to circle the group. Hell, an old lady in one of those walkers with the tennis balls on the front two legs would have had no problem in that grass.
 
2012-08-04 07:03:47 PM

stevarooni: Yikes! If that's the case...yeah, wiretapping is very sternly prosecuted in states that have two-party consent.


Sidestepping the question as to if all-party notification of recording is a good thing, the bigger issue here is the punishment. I could see a couple of months at most when not done in conjunction with blackmail and coercion, but 21 years sounds like the government attempting to silence its critics.
 
2012-08-04 07:10:43 PM

Man On Pink Corner: The problem is, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" no longer have any meaning, predictive power, or general utility except as flamebait. Nancy Pelosi would rather see the kid go to jail. Ron Paul would rather see the cop fry.


This is more of an authoritarian/totalitarian versus libertarian issue than being a liberal/progressive or conservative. They are totally different issues. Nothing prevents somebody from being an authoritarian progressive.
 
2012-08-04 07:12:34 PM

Plastic Trash Vortex: agos1247: ultraholland: "Why am I in jail with a guy who beats up his wife and gets a one-year sentence from the state, but I'm facing 21 years for filming somebody?"

Because you don't know when to stop digging. You're a renegade and a liability!

Your statement means nothing. Whats he digging? What cause is he a renegade from? Who is he a liability to? Comeback with some substance, thanks for playing

WHOOSH


He missed it by *that* much.
 
2012-08-04 07:13:39 PM
I'm not even sure if he is found guilty if he'll get more than a year. NH only considers it a misdemeanor as long as one party to the conversation (himself) is aware of the recording.

Source: http://www.rcfp.org/can-we-tape/new-hampshire

"It is a felony to intercept or disclose the contents of any telecommunication or oral communication without the consent of all parties. N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 570-A:2-I.
It is punishable by imprisonment of one to seven years. N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann § 625:9. However, it is only a misdemeanor if a party to a communication, or anyone who
has the consent of only one of the parties, intercepts a telecommunication or oral communication. N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann § 570-A:2-I. Misdemeanors are punishable by
imprisonment up to one year. N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann § 625:9."
 
2012-08-04 07:14:22 PM

puffy999: SevenizGud: Peacefully sitting and blocking the sidewalk

Oh, yes, that old, stupid line.

As someone who actually, you know, graduated from a university with a very similar courtyard/quad, I will politely tell you to go fark yourself and walk in the grass.

Also, the "distraction" was caused when the police showed up and started assaulting people. Until that, it's likely that students would have been walking around these people muttering "pricks" under their breath, at the VERY most.


If by assault you mean allowing a hand-cuffed perp to break free and stumble into a table (perspective), then probably guilty as charged. If this guy didn'y make a career of harassing cops and focusing on only the things they did wrong, i'd probably muster a little sympathy for him. The 21 year penalty they toss around is the maximum. Chances are they'll let this guy off pretty lightly (maybe a year for interferrence but more likely probation and a warning to leave the police alone). Defense is not seeking to repeal the wire tapping law, just apply the misapplication of the law for for the purpose of getting the case thrown out- as they should.
 
2012-08-04 07:15:39 PM
If the guy loses this case, I will take it to mean that yet another nail has been driven into the coffin lid of freedom. And there's enough of those in there already.
 
2012-08-04 07:16:04 PM

stevarooni: Breaking the law (in general; not an unjust law you're fighting against) for a "Good Cause" isn't just.


A public official in a public area has no expectation of privacy, you law-worshipping douchebag.
 
2012-08-04 07:23:15 PM
Calling all fark cop fluffers. To your knees and service the cop!!!!
 
2012-08-04 07:25:18 PM

ubermensch: WhyteRaven74: ubermensch: Way to simplify things, Subby

Subby didn't simplify it at all. It is what it is.

No. First, it's debatable if he's actually a journalist. I'm not going to argue that.

Secondly, he wasn't arrested for publishing, he was arrested under a stupid law for wiretapping. The press is still free, he broke a law (albeit a stupid one).


I know you did not argue that he is not a journalist, but for those that do:

With his website he is as much a journalist as someone using the Gutenberg press was in the decades after it's invention. The church and aristocracy decried that invention too, when one person, or a very few, could produce as much printed material in a day as it used to take a single scribe a year to do prior to that. While the rancor has died down, there are still many with political or economic power, especially in establishment journalism and publishing, that want nothing more than some sort of suppression or control of electronic media. This kind or 'wiretap' law is one small part of it.
 
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