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(Talking Points Memo)   Congress wants to know how Mitt Romney accrued a 100 million dollar IRA when the limit for them is $6000 a year. May subpoena his tax returns for the last 16,666 years   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 413
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2012-08-04 08:37:45 PM  

TheJoe03: Britney Spear's Speculum: Do it dems, the right pull bullcrap inquiries all the time but this is a legit issue.

You know they won't do a damn thing, the Democrats let Bush run over them and then they let the GOP minority in Congress run over them during Obama's presidency.


I know, right? If the dems only had some balls!

Because balls can override vetoes and filibusters.
 
2012-08-04 08:40:21 PM  

cman: GAT_00: cman: I still think there is a good chance of hyper-inflation in the near future.

Why? The yen isn't the most powerful currency in the world. Neither is the Euro. Neither is the yuan. Currencies don't suffer hyperinflation just because they aren't super powerful.

This is just my personal opinion. I am not an economist.

I think that there is going to be an economic depression very soon. The numbers and stats show that the recession is over, but in all reality, everyone knows the economy sucks. This could just be a matter of people having a negative perception about the economy, and perception is reality. Or, what I think, is that these jumps in stats are only temp. I dont complain about CEO pay; in fact, I usually avoid those threads. But considering that their compensation was raised 26% with job losses and stagnant wages lead me to believe that our economic indicators are a bit farked up.


Well more of us probably should complain about CEO pay, considering the concentration of wealth in the country is the reason this recession is so bad. It's rolling on because a lack of demand, specifically consumer demand. Which isn't raised by enormous CEO pay. It's raised by people having jobs with good wages. Something we've let our industries tell us we don't need anymore.

Instead we convince ourselves that it's all the President's fault, and that Romney or Obama getting elected in November will fix that. But we really should be talking about wealth inequality all the time, because it is the root of all our issues in this country. And if you want to avoid another recession and riots, you just have to make sure we pay our people, and not just those at the top.
 
2012-08-04 08:42:27 PM  

Dogberry: Sliding Carp: Whatever happened, there is exactly one person who did it.

Obama?


I knew it! That's it. This time around I'm only voting 5 times for Obama. The bastard doesn't deserve my votes.
 
2012-08-04 08:43:21 PM  
patriotdepot.com
 
2012-08-04 08:45:44 PM  

Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]


If absolutely nothing else, it is this case that this whole affair demonstrates that Romney puts himself before his country. I want the opposite from my President.
 
2012-08-04 08:46:00 PM  
So, if you believe Congress doesn't already know how to do this, I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you. Hell, I know how to do it, and have for a while. There's not a single congresscritter that doesn't already know it -- or, I guess, if there is, he or she is really angry right now.
 
2012-08-04 08:46:16 PM  

Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]


That's all you've got? A T-shirt? Sure you don't wanna break into the bumper sticker bin next?
 
2012-08-04 08:46:34 PM  

bootman: Step 1: Place thousands of stock certificates into duffel bags.
Step 2: Attach blank price tags the the duffel bags.
Step 3: Write 1¢ on the price tags.
Step 4: Have your self directed IRA buy these duffel bags for your retirement savings.
Step 5: Profit!


That's pretty much what he did.
 
2012-08-04 08:46:57 PM  

Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]


Holy shiat is that lame.
 
2012-08-04 08:47:33 PM  

Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]


Really? That's the best you've got?

lightweight!
 
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2012-08-04 08:47:37 PM  

Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]


....just stick you head in the sand while you're at it.
 
2012-08-04 08:47:48 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]

If absolutely nothing else, it is this case that this whole affair demonstrates that Romney puts himself before his country. I want the opposite from my President.


Considering what you go through before, during, and after the Presidency, you'd have to be an absolute egomaniac to run. Do you really believe we've had a President in the last 100 years who didn't put himself before his country to one extent or another?

Hell, even Washington's sheepish "I don't really wannnnaaa be president!" was mostly for show.
 
2012-08-04 08:48:16 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: of course, you still will have to pay taxes and since capital gains rates are going up, this may not be a great thing to do.


1. In a Roth IRA, you *never* have to pay capital gains, as long as you wait to withdraw until after age 59.5 & you've had the account at least five years. All capital gains for a Roth IRA are entirely tax-free, the only catch is that you buy those assets with post-tax dollars. Considering the rate of return in Mitt's account, though, I think he can afford the $2100 in yearly taxes that he had to pay. Unless he does something stupid, that would be the only tax he ever pays on those millions.

2. Even in a traditional IRA, you never pay at the capital gains rate; withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income at the time you withdraw.
 
2012-08-04 08:48:40 PM  

Tor_Eckman: Because balls can override vetoes and filibusters.


Well it certainly seems the GOP is a much stronger minority party than the Democrats are. It's kind of a big problem. Bush mostly did what he wanted while the GOP is doing well at limiting what Obama wants to do. The worse part is what Obama wants to do is generally positive and rational while what Bush got to do was borderline criminal.
 
2012-08-04 08:49:18 PM  
Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.
 
2012-08-04 08:49:23 PM  

Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]


Nice, you have a third graders understanding of the situation.
 
2012-08-04 08:49:40 PM  

Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]


OOOO! I know what you are but what am I?
 
2012-08-04 08:49:45 PM  

Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]


So you don't care if he broke the law? To you it's ok for the next president of the United States too illegal shelter funds?
 
2012-08-04 08:50:04 PM  

FitzShivering: Lost Thought 00: Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]

If absolutely nothing else, it is this case that this whole affair demonstrates that Romney puts himself before his country. I want the opposite from my President.

Considering what you go through before, during, and after the Presidency, you'd have to be an absolute egomaniac to run. Do you really believe we've had a President in the last 100 years who didn't put himself before his country to one extent or another?

Hell, even Washington's sheepish "I don't really wannnnaaa be president!" was mostly for show.


I don't believe most of them sought the Presidency for their own personal gain. I think they seek it for the power trip, the validation of the ego, and the celebrity. But Romney wants to be President because it is a way to make himself richer.
 
2012-08-04 08:50:05 PM  
Perfectly legal I'm sure but there's no way Romney wins running on a platform of giving himself and his pony prom pals even MORE tax advantages.

"I love the fact that there are women out there who don't have a choice and they must go to work and they still have to raise the kids. Thank goodness that we value those people too. And sometimes life isn't easy for any of us."

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-04 08:50:31 PM  

dehehn: Well more of us probably should complain about CEO pay, considering the concentration of wealth in the country is the reason this recession is so bad. It's rolling on because a lack of demand, specifically consumer demand. Which isn't raised by enormous CEO pay. It's raised by people having jobs with good wages. Something we've let our industries tell us we don't need anymore.

Instead we convince ourselves that it's all the President's fault, and that Romney or Obama getting elected in November will fix that. But we really should be talking about wealth inequality all the time, because it is the root of all our issues in this country. And if you want to avoid another recession and riots, you just have to make sure we pay our people, and not just those at the top.


I said something along these lines in another thread last week. Five hundred people in a city receiving an extra $2000 per year will far more stimulate economic growth and create more jobs than one person in that same city receiving an extra $1 million.

The five hundred people will replace furniture and cars, buy electronics and lawn mowers, go out to eat more often, and occasionally take a real vacation instead of staying home for a week. The one person will just have his current investment banker make a few more transactions.
 
2012-08-04 08:50:42 PM  

Corvus: Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]

So you don't care if he broke the law? To you it's ok for the next president of the United States too illegal shelter funds?


Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.

 
2012-08-04 08:51:03 PM  

Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.


*face palm* You can't put unlimited funds into a 401k those are capped too.
 
2012-08-04 08:51:38 PM  

Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.


So, it isn't a loophole because there is a legitimate purpose for the rule that Romney exploited. Do you know what a loophole is?
 
2012-08-04 08:51:42 PM  

Saturn5: Corvus: Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]

So you don't care if he broke the law? To you it's ok for the next president of the United States too illegal shelter funds?

Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.


401K HAS A CAP YOU IDIOT!
 
2012-08-04 08:52:12 PM  

LordJiro: Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]

That's all you've got? A T-shirt? Sure you don't wanna break into the bumper sticker bin next?


Wait....isn't Romney running for a job that's supposed to look after your money? Do right-wingers really think he's just going to cut out all taxes like Dubya didn't? Really??

This is very interesting. I didn't know that the Republicans were just going to hide until the election was over. They really have just given the fark up.
 
Ehh
2012-08-04 08:52:22 PM  
So, when does the big scandal about the expensive necklace come along?
 
2012-08-04 08:52:43 PM  

Corvus: *face palm* You can't put unlimited funds into a 401k those are capped too.


I guess the IRS just "missed it."
Good thing the government's going to supervise our health insurance now, too. I feel much better.
 
2012-08-04 08:53:03 PM  

Saturn5: Corvus: Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]

So you don't care if he broke the law? To you it's ok for the next president of the United States too illegal shelter funds?

Saturn5: DERP DERP, I DON'T UNDERSTAND 401kS!!!

 
2012-08-04 08:53:20 PM  

Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.


I see why you led with the t-shirt. It was less stupid than this post.
 
2012-08-04 08:53:32 PM  

Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.


except there's a cap on how much you can roll over into those financial instruments. that's why everyone has questions about what Romney did - there appears to be no legal way for him to have bypassed those caps...and yet, he did.

so lemme ask you this - Romney appears to have broken the law. there certainly seems to be enough data to warrant further investigation....do you agree that someone should look into this matter further?
 
2012-08-04 08:54:11 PM  

Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.


While I agree with you in regards to technically being as designed, I think we can all agree that $100 million really pushes the spirit of what it's there for. I've seen a few multi-million dollar 401ks rolled legitimately and I don't begrudge anyone who has contributed a large chunk every year and been lucky or skilled enough to watch it grow and then roll it over, but that's quite a bit different than intentionally pushing an investment into a vehicle it wasn't intended for in order to avoid taxes.

Also, for what it's worth, at the maximum contribution limit for 401k with maximum corporate matching, it's fairly impossible to have gotten near $100 mill.
 
2012-08-04 08:54:23 PM  

Saturn5: Corvus: *face palm* You can't put unlimited funds into a 401k those are capped too.

I guess the IRS just "missed it."
Good thing the government's going to supervise our health insurance now, too. I feel much better.


So that your response to be wrong? It's the IRS's fault?

Well then you must be for congress to investigate this so they can fix this problem then?
 
2012-08-04 08:57:21 PM  
Here's a fun question to think about: everyone claims that Mitt Romney is worth around $250 million (based on what he's told the press). But he has $100 million in his IRA account.

Does that mean that a very large portion of his net worth is in his IRA, or does it mean that he's lying about how much money he has?
 
2012-08-04 08:58:17 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Here's a fun question to think about: everyone claims that Mitt Romney is worth around $250 million (based on what he's told the press). But he has $100 million in his IRA account.

Does that mean that a very large portion of his net worth is in his IRA, or does it mean that he's lying about how much money he has?


oh i'm sure he's lying about how much money he's got hidden around the world.
 
2012-08-04 08:58:25 PM  

Weaver95: Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.

except there's a cap on how much you can roll over into those financial instruments. that's why everyone has questions about what Romney did - there appears to be no legal way for him to have bypassed those caps...and yet, he did.


Depending what you mean by "those financial instruments," that's not practically true. You can roll over a very, very large sum of money into various vehicles. And it's possible, as has been stated previously, to devalue assets to place them into the rollover vehicle at which point they become revalued. It's perfectly legal. It's also perfectly unethical, IMO.

I don't think Romney should be getting any defense on this. However he decided to do it, it's wrong. But I also don't think our congressmorons should pretend they don't know how this works. They all do shady shiat like this. A good deal of the people going after Romney are the same who have been willfully doing insider trading with private knowledge for years.

I know we do have a few honest Congresspeople, as easy as it is to lump them all together, but most of them are all aboard the "enrich myself" gravy train as Romney is. They just weren't as successful/ruthless about it.
 
2012-08-04 09:01:09 PM  

FitzShivering:
Depending what you mean by "those financial instruments," that's not practically true. You can roll over a very, very large sum of money into various vehicles. And it's possible, as has been stated previously, to devalue assets to place them into the rollover vehicle at which point they become revalued. It's perfectly legal. It's also perfectly unethical, IMO.


But at this point all we can do is speculate. we don't actually know HOW Romney moved his money around and dodged paying taxes on that money because he refuses to clarify his finances for us. which tells us something about how he'd govern the country: even if he was doing something entirely legal, he'd lie to us about it in order to make himself look good.
 
2012-08-04 09:02:19 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Here's a fun question to think about: everyone claims that Mitt Romney is worth around $250 million (based on what he's told the press). But he has $100 million in his IRA account.

Does that mean that a very large portion of his net worth is in his IRA, or does it mean that he's lying about how much money he has?


Many incredibly wealthy people lie about how much money they have. It is not in their interest to have anyone know the amount they actually possess overall, for a variety of reasons. I went to college with a small family that were billionaires many times over whose name has never appeared on a single "Richest in the World" list. They go out of their way to make sure they don't appear there, for some practical reasons, but also because they hate paying taxes. But that's a lot easier when you're "old money" like they are.
 
2012-08-04 09:02:30 PM  

TheJoe03: Tor_Eckman: Because balls can override vetoes and filibusters.

Well it certainly seems the GOP is a much stronger minority party than the Democrats are. It's kind of a big problem. Bush mostly did what he wanted while the GOP is doing well at limiting what Obama wants to do. The worse part is what Obama wants to do is generally positive and rational while what Bush got to do was borderline criminal.


Bush did mostly what he wanted because he had an over 80% approval rating and the country was scared out of it's collective wits after 9/11. By the time we wised up and realized what the Republicans had done and voted their asses out in 2006 most of the damage was done. After that, the Senate minority broke the record for filibusters (since broken, of course) and Bush used his veto crayon ten times. So any attempts to try to right the ship between 2007-2009 were denied.

Republicans vote in lockstep to promote party over country when they are in the minority. Dems, not so much. That doesn't make Republicans "stronger", it makes them treasonous.
 
2012-08-04 09:03:12 PM  

Skleenar: I guess I thought up to now that the $100million IRA was speculation. I didn't realize that he actually DID have a $100million IRA.

That's an accomplishment you can only achieve by bending ethics and pulling economic strings in a way that is absolutely impossible to all but the 1%.


Top 1% means that if you meet 100 people at random, you have a chance of meeting at least 1 Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney is in the 1% of the 1%.
 
2012-08-04 09:04:07 PM  

cman: Luxemburg



cman: I am not an economist.




Yep
 
2012-08-04 09:04:29 PM  

FitzShivering: However he decided to do it, it's wrong. But I also don't think our congressmorons should pretend they don't know how this works.


The bigger problem is that most of our House members are too stupid to understand basic finance. There's a reason Barney Frank is Chair of the House Banking Committee.
 
2012-08-04 09:05:07 PM  

Weaver95: FitzShivering:
Depending what you mean by "those financial instruments," that's not practically true. You can roll over a very, very large sum of money into various vehicles. And it's possible, as has been stated previously, to devalue assets to place them into the rollover vehicle at which point they become revalued. It's perfectly legal. It's also perfectly unethical, IMO.

But at this point all we can do is speculate. we don't actually know HOW Romney moved his money around and dodged paying taxes on that money because he refuses to clarify his finances for us. which tells us something about how he'd govern the country: even if he was doing something entirely legal, he'd lie to us about it in order to make himself look good.


We're in absolute agreement. While I don't actually feel he has to clarify his finances if he doesn't want to do so, I think it's pretty clear he's a financial creeper, and that he has some very poor ethical decision making abilities -- likely out of that old divide between "personal life" and "professional life" of which lawyers are so fond.
 
2012-08-04 09:05:07 PM  
I thought the scheme went something like this:

1. Acquire company, issue two classes of shares: class B has negligible value initially but stands to reap the lion's share of gains.
2. Drop $6K of class B shares into your IRA.
3. Company becomes more valuable, class B shares (thus IRA) become WAAAAY more valuable.
4. Repeat.

Also thought that because of tax code changes (lower capital gains rate) since the time that Bain was doing this, it has ultimately proven not to be particularly useful to Romney.

As far as I know, this wouldn't be a problem (aside from being yet another aspect of Romney's life that's unavailable to the ordinary voter). But it looks like something in his returns must be trouble. I would think this is just a hook to get at them.

/?
 
2012-08-04 09:07:00 PM  

TheJoe03: Tor_Eckman: Because balls can override vetoes and filibusters.

Well it certainly seems the GOP is a much stronger minority party than the Democrats are. It's kind of a big problem. Bush mostly did what he wanted while the GOP is doing well at limiting what Obama wants to do. The worse part is what Obama wants to do is generally positive and rational while what Bush got to do was borderline criminal.


Both sides have the same tools, It's about not balls so much as a sociopathic nature, the ability not to care who's caught up in the collateral damage of a static congress.

Republicans lose sleep because Obama's in the white house. Democrats lose sleep when someone gets fired and his kids can't eat. That's why congress still functioned in the Bush years.
 
2012-08-04 09:08:13 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Saturn5: [patriotdepot.com image 600x664]

Really? That's the best you've got?

lightweight!


Gotta pace himself. Wouldn't wanna spooge before he even got the head all the way in.

Dwight_Yeast: Saturn5: Rollover of investments from when Romney left Bain. Anyone can do it. Totally legal.
You have $50,000 in your 401k at work and change jobs, you can roll that over into an IRA quick and painless.
It's not a "loophole." It's there to allow people who change jobs to consolidate their investments instead of having them in separate company programs for every employer they ever worked at.

I see why you led with the t-shirt. It was less stupid than this post.


Oh shiat. Too late, somebody get him a towel.
 
2012-08-04 09:08:36 PM  
Are we basing Rmoneys IRA on current law caps/limits etc?

What about the history of law/rules/caps in regards to IRAs....was there a time where 6k wasn't the cap?
 
2012-08-04 09:09:49 PM  

dehehn: cman: GAT_00: cman: I still think there is a good chance of hyper-inflation in the near future.

Why? The yen isn't the most powerful currency in the world. Neither is the Euro. Neither is the yuan. Currencies don't suffer hyperinflation just because they aren't super powerful.

This is just my personal opinion. I am not an economist.

I think that there is going to be an economic depression very soon. The numbers and stats show that the recession is over, but in all reality, everyone knows the economy sucks. This could just be a matter of people having a negative perception about the economy, and perception is reality. Or, what I think, is that these jumps in stats are only temp. I dont complain about CEO pay; in fact, I usually avoid those threads. But considering that their compensation was raised 26% with job losses and stagnant wages lead me to believe that our economic indicators are a bit farked up.

Well more of us probably should complain about CEO pay, considering the concentration of wealth in the country is the reason this recession is so bad. It's rolling on because a lack of demand, specifically consumer demand. Which isn't raised by enormous CEO pay. It's raised by people having jobs with good wages. Something we've let our industries tell us we don't need anymore.

Instead we convince ourselves that it's all the President's fault, and that Romney or Obama getting elected in November will fix that. But we really should be talking about wealth inequality all the time, because it is the root of all our issues in this country. And if you want to avoid another recession and riots, you just have to make sure we pay our people, and not just those at the top.


This so much.
 
2012-08-04 09:13:04 PM  

FitzShivering: Many incredibly wealthy people lie about how much money they have. It is not in their interest to have anyone know the amount they actually possess overall, for a variety of reasons. I went to college with a small family that were billionaires many times over whose name has never appeared on a single "Richest in the World" list. They go out of their way to make sure they don't appear there, for some practical reasons, but also because they hate paying taxes. But that's a lot easier when you're "old money" like they are.


That was exactly what I was trying to highlight. Based on Romney's lifestyle alone, there's no way he's worth $250 million. I suspect he's worth a billion and possibly more.

I live in Philadelphia. In this are we've got the Duponts, the Pews, the Dorrences, the Pitcarins and a bunch of other families all of which have huge amounts of money who rarely make the press outside the local area.
 
2012-08-04 09:13:32 PM  

FitzShivering: Weaver95: FitzShivering:
Depending what you mean by "those financial instruments," that's not practically true. You can roll over a very, very large sum of money into various vehicles. And it's possible, as has been stated previously, to devalue assets to place them into the rollover vehicle at which point they become revalued. It's perfectly legal. It's also perfectly unethical, IMO.

But at this point all we can do is speculate. we don't actually know HOW Romney moved his money around and dodged paying taxes on that money because he refuses to clarify his finances for us. which tells us something about how he'd govern the country: even if he was doing something entirely legal, he'd lie to us about it in order to make himself look good.

We're in absolute agreement. While I don't actually feel he has to clarify his finances if he doesn't want to do so, I think it's pretty clear he's a financial creeper, and that he has some very poor ethical decision making abilities -- likely out of that old divide between "personal life" and "professional life" of which lawyers are so fond.


if he wants to run for president then I think he HAS to clarify his finances...otherwise it raises all sorts of questions about his ethical and moral character. when you run for president, you're playing the game at a vastly different level than ever before. some of what you've got to do just to make it to election day is uncomfortable (to say the least!) but...that's how it goes. nobody's forcing you to run for office. Romney knew what was going to be required long before he got to this point. that he refuses to release his tax record - KNOWING that he needs to do so - says more about his weaknesses than if he'd just dumped his records on the internet and been done with it months ago.
 
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