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(Reuters)   Barefoot shoes will give you compound fractures. No, everybody need not panic. Just you TOE FREAKS   (reuters.com) divider line 75
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2012-08-04 07:07:22 PM
Those things look uncomfortable as hell. My toes were meant to be together, not with crap stuffed between them.
 
2012-08-04 07:10:08 PM
Its not like adidas promised the shoes wouldn't give you compound fractures.

The shoes mimic barefoot running -- so you should expect any and all of the side effects of running barefoot. Where's the personal responsibility?
 
2012-08-04 07:10:40 PM
Those thing suck. I tried them for about two weeks, and then gave them to my mom to wear in the garden.

Toe running shoes are like Uggs. Do not work with high arches.
 
2012-08-04 07:11:02 PM

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Those things look uncomfortable as hell. My toes were meant to be together, not with crap stuffed between them.


They're actually really comfortable, and the fabric is thin enough that you really don't notice it between your toes.

That said, the guy in the article is an idiot. Those shoes can't provide more protection than standard shows. And I should know. I was wearing a pair when I dropped a 90-lb weight on my foot. Thankfully, it was a glancing blow, and I was able to put my foot on ice right away.
 
2012-08-04 07:12:10 PM
I have no idea why people thought that running on their bare feet meant they wouldn't risk bruising and fractures, esp if they're prone to them. Just cushion the blow a little by bending your knees, nutjobs. Or, I don't know, STOP RUNNING IF IT HURTS. But that's me.
 
2012-08-04 07:26:01 PM
Or, like every minimalist/barefoot runner will tell you, START SLOW. Also, do they really mean compound fracture?
 
2012-08-04 07:26:31 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: I have no idea why people thought that running on their bare feet meant they wouldn't risk bruising and fractures, esp if they're prone to them. Just cushion the blow a little by bending your knees, nutjobs. Or, I don't know, STOP RUNNING IF IT HURTS. But that's me.


Ah, runners. The "No Pain No Gain" crowd. People who look at vomiting and passing out from dehydration and/or body temperature as minor inconveniences. And view this as normal.

angryjogger.com

Those are bleeding nipples, not the design of his shirt.

/also "barefoot" shoes are hella farking ugly
 
2012-08-04 07:31:38 PM
Mechanically, running barefoot is very different from running in shoes. If you switch from shoes to barefoot without also completely switching up your running style, then yes; you're going to absolutely wreck your feet and legs. "Barefoot shoes" will not save you from that: you have to run in them like you'd run barefoot, or you will increase your risk of injury.

Of course, I imagine that most people learn this pretty quickly, because if you're barefoot (or wearing barefoot shoes), trying to run like you'd run in regular shoes also hurts like all fark. But there are some idiots who don't learn from that, and there are also some unlucky folks who get hurt so quickly that there was never any time to learn.

Perhaps Adidas should to include instructions with these things, coaching people on proper barefoot form. That's about the only way I could see them being liable here, though.
 
2012-08-04 07:33:29 PM
I bought these condoms that are Exactly like not wearing one and the girl got pregnant. I can't farkin' believe it.
 
2012-08-04 07:34:06 PM

exatron: Those shoes can't provide more protection than standard shows.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-04 07:34:38 PM
But, they're Gods shoes!
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-04 07:36:06 PM

Millennium: Perhaps Adidas should to include instructions with these things, coaching people on proper barefoot form. That's about the only way I could see them being liable here, though.


This is America. You only need to convince 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty to take your side.
 
2012-08-04 07:38:04 PM
You're telling me that if I remove all the cushion and protection provided by running shoes my foot will be more vulnerable and prone to failure?

WHO'DATHUNKIT!??!?!!

Seriously, who was the assbag who said "oh running barefoot is better because humans are born barefoot and it's natural"?

farking vegans and/or organic nuts. Dying of smallpox is also natural...
 
2012-08-04 07:39:32 PM
Well one, running barefoot was only a good idea before paved roads and sidewalks were developed. Our feet aren't designed to run on hard, non-giving surfaces.

Two, he got compound fractures? Really? Bones were sticking out through the skin? How are the shoes responsible for this?
 
2012-08-04 07:43:49 PM

Millennium: Mechanically, running barefoot is very different from running in shoes. If you switch from shoes to barefoot without also completely switching up your running style, then yes; you're going to absolutely wreck your feet and legs. "Barefoot shoes" will not save you from that: you have to run in them like you'd run barefoot, or you will increase your risk of injury.

Of course, I imagine that most people learn this pretty quickly, because if you're barefoot (or wearing barefoot shoes), trying to run like you'd run in regular shoes also hurts like all fark. But there are some idiots who don't learn from that, and there are also some unlucky folks who get hurt so quickly that there was never any time to learn.

Perhaps Adidas should to include instructions with these things, coaching people on proper barefoot form. That's about the only way I could see them being liable here, though.


Don't know about Addidas, but Nike and Merrell both include some transition suggestions.
 
2012-08-04 07:45:06 PM

Practical_Draconian: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: I have no idea why people thought that running on their bare feet meant they wouldn't risk bruising and fractures, esp if they're prone to them. Just cushion the blow a little by bending your knees, nutjobs. Or, I don't know, STOP RUNNING IF IT HURTS. But that's me.

Ah, runners. The "No Pain No Gain" crowd. People who look at vomiting and passing out from dehydration and/or body temperature as minor inconveniences. And view this as normal.

[angryjogger.com image 304x375]

Those are bleeding nipples, not the design of his shirt.

/also "barefoot" shoes are hella farking ugly


Must have been his first race. Anyone who's done distance running for more than a few weeks learns to use clear first aid tape on the nipples to prevent just that. Band-Aids work too, but I've found medical tape to be a lot easier, cheaper, and less painful to remove. My first big distance run was an Army Birthday run =( I learned the hard way.
 
2012-08-04 07:45:37 PM

fusillade762: exatron: Those shoes can't provide more protection than standard shows.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 333x400]


Curse you, qwerty keyboard!
 
2012-08-04 07:49:29 PM

debug: Well one, running barefoot was only a good idea before paved roads and sidewalks were developed. Our feet aren't designed to run on hard, non-giving surfaces.


It's all in the manner of how you run. A gf got me into it recently- yeah if you're pounding heel on concrete it's gonna suck. Supposed to take it with the ball of your foot and the ankles. Ya look like a bit of a fairy, but it's waaaay easier on the knees.
 
2012-08-04 08:12:38 PM
I'm so happy I switched to a minimalist running style and shoes. It took a long time but it's great.

That said, I'm not feeling too sorry for people who pushed it nor for the companies that encouraged them.
 
2012-08-04 08:26:33 PM

taurusowner: Practical_Draconian: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: I have no idea why people thought that running on their bare feet meant they wouldn't risk bruising and fractures, esp if they're prone to them. Just cushion the blow a little by bending your knees, nutjobs. Or, I don't know, STOP RUNNING IF IT HURTS. But that's me.

Ah, runners. The "No Pain No Gain" crowd. People who look at vomiting and passing out from dehydration and/or body temperature as minor inconveniences. And view this as normal.

[angryjogger.com image 304x375]

Those are bleeding nipples, not the design of his shirt.

/also "barefoot" shoes are hella farking ugly

Must have been his first race. Anyone who's done distance running for more than a few weeks learns to use clear first aid tape on the nipples to prevent just that. Band-Aids work too, but I've found medical tape to be a lot easier, cheaper, and less painful to remove. My first big distance run was an Army Birthday run =( I learned the hard way.


Damn.

/makes mental note for whenever I get to more than 5K.

As for the shoes, saw some at the store the other day, but had read enough stuff online to know better. Got some more normal-looking sandals with "bungee laces"* instead.

/when I was a kid, we had to tie our shoes. then there was velcro. now there's bungee laces, just to ensure that future generations are too stupid to even work velcro.
 
2012-08-04 08:27:30 PM
I'm pretty sure the shoes don't give you compound fractures. They're only a few ounces each, so I think you'd be pretty safe even if they fell out of a high window and landed on you.
 
2012-08-04 08:28:59 PM
Is this the thread where 100% of running injuries incurred with minimalist shoes are the fault of the footwear, but none of the problems a runner suffers with normal shoes can be blamed on them?

I get knee pain with normal running shoes, none with minimalist shoes. i feel worse at the end of a barefoot-style run, but much better the next day. its the reverse with a hard run in normal shoes: fewer warnings that i ought to stop the run and longer lasting symptoms on a delay. ill take barefoot style any day. shoes are for light hiking, boots for heavy hiking, minimalist and maybe someday barefoot for running. running is too much impact on joints to replace my entire leg design of mobile bent joints and fascia for a measely half inch of sole.
 
2012-08-04 08:39:36 PM
Compound fracture: a bone fracture resulting in an open wound through which bone fragments usually protrude

Did this asshole seriously run on a broken foot until it burst through his skin, or is the writer a freaking moron?
 
2012-08-04 08:43:57 PM
Run with vivobarefoot shoes. No problems, but you can't run like bigfoot.
 
2012-08-04 08:46:31 PM

taurusowner:
Must have been his first race. Anyone who's done distance running for more than a few weeks learns to use clear first aid tape on the nipples to prevent just that. Band-Aids work too, but I've found medical tape to be a lot easier, cheaper, and less painful to remove. My first big distance run was an Army Birthday run =( I learned the hard way.


So uhh... why do the nipples bleed that much when running?
More importantly, why is the solution to tape them rather than to not do things that leave two streams of blood coming from your nipples?

Runners, man, you guys are nuts.
 
2012-08-04 08:48:39 PM

redmond24: Its not like adidas promised the shoes wouldn't give you compound fractures.

The shoes mimic barefoot running -- so you should expect any and all of the side effects of running barefoot. Where's the personal responsibility?


This. Even IF Adidas promised that, who would put the shoe on and go "Hmm...no padding, no support....ow that hurts....yeah, I'm sure it'll be fi*snap*"
 
2012-08-04 08:55:11 PM

redmond24: Where's the personal responsibility?


What third-world country have you been living under a rock in? Personal responsibility went out the window a long time ago.
 
2012-08-04 08:55:57 PM

Guuberre: But, they're Gods shoes!
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 301x321]


Thank you, was hoping someone would make this reference. But the Adidas don't have the socks sown in, so maybe that's where they went wrong.
 
2012-08-04 08:57:41 PM
I bought a pair of Fila Skele-Toes for grins because they actually made them in size 14.

I wouldn't think about running in them. But they are nifty and cool to go around in.
 
2012-08-04 09:00:35 PM
I'm fairly sure he means "compression" fractures. The reporter really either needed to correct it or followed the word "compound" with a "[sic]". I'm guessing in the fine tradition of news reporting these days, no research was done.

As someone already pointed out, a compound fracture involves bone protruding through an open wound. Unless a car ran over his foot (not the shoes' fault) I can't see how they'd give him compound fractures.
 
2012-08-04 09:05:15 PM

God-is-a-Taco: taurusowner:
Must have been his first race. Anyone who's done distance running for more than a few weeks learns to use clear first aid tape on the nipples to prevent just that. Band-Aids work too, but I've found medical tape to be a lot easier, cheaper, and less painful to remove. My first big distance run was an Army Birthday run =( I learned the hard way.

So uhh... why do the nipples bleed that much when running?
More importantly, why is the solution to tape them rather than to not do things that leave two streams of blood coming from your nipples?

Runners, man, you guys are nuts.


Sweaty shirts jostling around as you run tends to chafe the nipples. That's fine if you're only running a few miles. But over extended periods of time the chaffing eventually starts to rub the skin raw and bleed. Think of it like when you spend an entire day off fapping to furry porn. It's just like that, only with running.
 
2012-08-04 09:12:11 PM
I'd like to try a pair of these, but my toes are slightly non-standard.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-04 09:18:08 PM

taurusowner:
Sweaty shirts jostling around as you run tends to chafe the nipples. That's fine if you're only running a few miles. But over extended periods of time the chaffing eventually starts to rub the skin raw and bleed. Think of it like when you spend an entire day off fapping to furry porn. It's just like that, only with running.


Oh, yeah that makes more sense. But I don't see how dolphin dildos are related to this.
 
2012-08-04 09:33:51 PM

taurusowner: Sweaty shirts jostling around as you run tends to chafe the nipples.


Also, if you have the wrong kind of underwear, the thighs get horrible chafing as well.
 
2012-08-04 09:37:44 PM
Shrug. I'm not a runner, I'm a cyclist. I've never understood running to be honest. Why run when you can bike faster and further? I dunno.

But a guy I work with runs marathons every month. He switched to the toe shoes a few years back and he says they're far more comfortable for him, and he runs faster in them.

As with all things, your mileage may vary.
 
2012-08-04 09:48:36 PM
Got a pair of Vibrams two years ago and started very slowly training in them. Loved the feeling and the new running style. Then I made the mistake of building up the distance too fast, before my feet had built up enough strength to deal with the change in running style. Ended up with a fractured metatarsal that took half a year to recover from.

It's not the shoes, it's the training program. If you take your time, build up your distance nice and slowly, they'll be great. I'm hoping to restart training in them soon on a much slower training plan.

/by slow I mean, 'start over as if you've never run before in your life'
 
2012-08-04 09:52:06 PM

Hagbardr: I'd like to try a pair of these, but my toes are slightly non-standard.

[i.imgur.com image 786x1500]


Andy, is that you? Sorry, I thought my son was on Fark. He got his mother's toes.

/I still have mine.
 
2012-08-04 10:01:37 PM

rocky_howard:
Seriously, who was the assbag who said "oh running barefoot is better because humans are born barefoot and it's natural"?


A hundred millennia of evolution says it is. Or do you think we've physically changed so much in the couple thousand years that some of us have been wearing shoes? The way we learn to walk with shoes is unnatural, our bodies weren't meant to walk or run with the heel of the foot striking first. The reason people injure themselves running in 'barefoot' shoes is they are still trying to run as though they were wearing normal shoes, and without the additional support/cushioning of a traditional shoe they are putting more stress on their ankles and knees.

I know it sounds like a mix of hippie b.s. and the latest marketing ploy to cash in on an exercise fade (like those 'shape-up' shoes that were supposed to tone your butt or something) but there's actually a logic to it.

/ not a vegan/vegetarian
// or a runner
 
2012-08-04 10:24:53 PM
IIT: People trying to justify their purchase of an inferior foot covering.

"It's not the shoes fault you break toes!"

Yasure...
 
2012-08-04 11:09:14 PM
Filet of sole, baby

It's my favorite dish

Filet of sole, baby

When the dish is fish

Oh, I lose control

When you serve filet of sole
 
2012-08-04 11:16:27 PM

Neondistraction: A hundred millennia of evolution says it is. Or do you think we've physically changed so much in the couple thousand years that some of us have been wearing shoes? The way we learn to walk with shoes is unnatural, our bodies weren't meant to walk or run with the heel of the foot striking first. The reason people injure themselves running in 'barefoot' shoes is they are still trying to run as though they were wearing normal shoes, and without the additional support/cushioning of a traditional shoe they are putting more stress on their ankles and knees.

I know it sounds like a mix of hippie b.s. and the latest marketing ploy to cash in on an exercise fade (like those 'shape-up' shoes that were supposed to tone your butt or something) but there's actually a logic to it.


Actually, for walking, using the heel is the right way. But yeah, for running we (and every animal) is meant to use the toes. Check out the legs of felines and canines. They're standing on their toes (digitigrades) rather than the whole foot (plantigrades) like bears and humans do.

And I wasn't suggesting that we've changed physically, just that we've accommodated around our limitations. So yeah, the naked body isn't meant to run on its heels, but with sports shoes we can.
 
2012-08-04 11:19:36 PM

Practical_Draconian: Those are bleeding nipples, not the design of his shirt.


What a dummy. Doesn't he know the human body wasn't designed to run while wearing fabric draped over it?
 
2012-08-04 11:26:23 PM

taurusowner: God-is-a-Taco: taurusowner:
Must have been his first race. Anyone who's done distance running for more than a few weeks learns to use clear first aid tape on the nipples to prevent just that. Band-Aids work too, but I've found medical tape to be a lot easier, cheaper, and less painful to remove. My first big distance run was an Army Birthday run =( I learned the hard way.

So uhh... why do the nipples bleed that much when running?
More importantly, why is the solution to tape them rather than to not do things that leave two streams of blood coming from your nipples?

Runners, man, you guys are nuts.

Sweaty shirts jostling around as you run tends to chafe the nipples. That's fine if you're only running a few miles. But over extended periods of time the chaffing eventually starts to rub the skin raw and bleed. Think of it like when you spend an entire day off fapping to furry porn. It's just like that, only with running.


..the Fark?

I used to be a distance runner, competed in many 5k and 10k races, often ran 20 or 30k for practice and fun. Sometimes my shorts chafed against the legs a bit, but I never, never had anything close to bleeding nipples or bleeding anything else, for that matter. Sounds like BS or dumbshaittery to me.
 
2012-08-05 12:01:54 AM
I have been running in Vibrams for a few months now and love them. It took a little while to build up the strength, but they are MUCH better than that padded crap.

And for the record, there is a Harvard lab set up to test the theories and while they make no claim yet about fewer injuries, they have shown that running on the balls of your feet while barefoot significantly REDUCES the impact on the body,

http://barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

So, yeah, it's not the shoes, it's the people.
 
2012-08-05 12:22:47 AM

RatOmeter: I used to be a distance runner, competed in many 5k and 10k races, often ran 20 or 30k for practice and fun. Sometimes my shorts chafed against the legs a bit, but I never, never had anything close to bleeding nipples or bleeding anything else, for that matter. Sounds like BS or dumbshaittery to me.


Or your nipples are different from others. Mine will bleed, and my thighs are huge and rub together. Running isn't the focus of my athletic activity, so I'm not sitting at 6% body fat and horribly broken down muscle mass. nttawwt if that you like running enough to go for that body.

Although I think your whole post is bullshiat "I'm a distance runner. I do 4-6 miles for fun and compete on 1 to 2 mile runs, and I've never heard of chafing" ? Really?
 
2012-08-05 12:25:05 AM

jack1969: I have been running in Vibrams for a few months now and love them. It took a little while to build up the strength, but they are MUCH better than that padded crap.

And for the record, there is a Harvard lab set up to test the theories and while they make no claim yet about fewer injuries, they have shown that running on the balls of your feet while barefoot significantly REDUCES the impact on the body,

http://barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/

So, yeah, it's not the shoes, it's the people.


I'd give those a try if I hadn't just altered my stride (after a knee injury) and gotten comfortable with it. I think my first half-marathon last year may be my last, as the knee still tends to bark on occasion.
 
2012-08-05 12:27:19 AM

Practical_Draconian: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: I have no idea why people thought that running on their bare feet meant they wouldn't risk bruising and fractures, esp if they're prone to them. Just cushion the blow a little by bending your knees, nutjobs. Or, I don't know, STOP RUNNING IF IT HURTS. But that's me.

Ah, runners. The "No Pain No Gain" crowd. People who look at vomiting and passing out from dehydration and/or body temperature as minor inconveniences. And view this as normal.

[angryjogger.com image 304x375]

Those are bleeding nipples, not the design of his shirt.


What the hell is his shirt made of, burlap??
 
2012-08-05 12:36:46 AM

rocky_howard: Actually, for walking, using the heel is the right way. But yeah, for running we (and every animal) is meant to use the toes. Check out the legs of felines and canines. They're standing on their toes (digitigrades) rather than the whole foot (plantigrades) like bears and humans do.


I aint no biolologist, but I think they run on their toes because 1) They foot structure only lets them. They don't have heels 2) they have pads to keep thier heels off the ground, to support toe running.

Animals that run do use their toes, you are right. Humans never HAD to run, we just do.
 
2012-08-05 12:44:49 AM

Neondistraction: rocky_howard:
Seriously, who was the assbag who said "oh running barefoot is better because humans are born barefoot and it's natural"?


A hundred millennia of evolution says it is. Or do you think we've physically changed so much in the couple thousand years that some of us have been wearing shoes? The way we learn to walk with shoes is unnatural, our bodies weren't meant to walk or run with the heel of the foot striking first. The reason people injure themselves running in 'barefoot' shoes is they are still trying to run as though they were wearing normal shoes, and without the additional support/cushioning of a traditional shoe they are putting more stress on their ankles and knees.

I know it sounds like a mix of hippie b.s. and the latest marketing ploy to cash in on an exercise fade (like those 'shape-up' shoes that were supposed to tone your butt or something) but there's actually a logic to it.

/ not a vegan/vegetarian
// or a runner


But it still doesn't make sense to me. Bone and joint development depend on useage. For example if you use your teeth as tools as a kid your jaw is more likely to accommodate wisdom teeth later on. I'll cite my bioanthropology instructors on that one. They used this as an example of how exertion and use impacts joint and bone development.

If you spend your early childhood running around in shoes your feet will be adapted to running in shoes. Your ankles, knees and hips will also develop that way. If you don't believe this, look at foot binding. It's like ignoring variety in intestinal flora and fauna in nutrition discussions. Humanity goes way, way back in time but our individual bodies reflect modern living. As far as shoes versus no shoes are concerned the comfort of the individual should determine what is "right."

And as a CSB, I was born with no ACLs, as was my mother. I can sprain an ankle on a smooth surface and often did when younger. So much for a million years of adaptation for habitual bipedalism. You can't predict individual outcomes from generalities. Evolution is statistics in motion.
 
2012-08-05 12:45:34 AM

AppleOptionEsc: Humans never HAD to run, we just do.


If humans never had to run then neither did anything else. Lions and cheetahs could just have smaller populations and feed on slower stuff. Prey lower on the food chain can subsist on stuff that doesn't even move so they wouldn't HAVE to run either.


Regardless of evolutionary concepts, go for a quick sprint in your back yard without thinking about it. I bet you aren't landing on your heel. I don't.
 
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