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2012-08-04 02:55:23 PM
4 votes:
It's weird how 99% of Republicans think that America is safer as long as everyone has a handgun but they won't let Iran have nukes. They're surrounded. Look at Pakistan and India. Before they got their nuclear bombs thousands of people died in little border skirmishes and attacks. Now they've chilled the fark out and it's not b/c they've matured or something.
2012-08-04 06:37:43 PM
3 votes:

Somacandra: The former head of Israel's intelligence service Mossad Efraim Halevy on Thursday said on Israel Radio he "would be very worried about the next 12 weeks," if he were Iranian.

Wow. Unsolicited threats against another country. And this is legal under international law how?



Izzy's talking tough again. Playing politics to make Obama look bad because they think Romney will make a better water schlepper.

When Izzy threatens Iran, Iran threatens to retaliate - speculators shiat and the price of oil/gas/food/everything goes up.

Remember how we were pushing $4.00/gal earlier this year? It was largely because BibiNet was shooting its mouth off about Iran.

Remember how oil prices recently retreated? BibiNet was being quiet for a few months, wasn't it?

Now it's beating the war drums again - largely for political purposes - but the effect will be the same Bibi's MOUTH will cost Americans BILLIONS - just like his MOUTH has already done so far this year.

And you can bet that CERTAIN people with the "inside scoop" on when BibiNet will howl will play the markets "just right", making a killing when oil prices rise, and again when they fall.

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If you're going to raise hell make political hay, there's no reason your friends shouldn't profit at the same time, right?

RIGHT?

Some Americans whine because we give Israel Billion$ in cash, Billion$ in aid, and Billion$ more in "loans" (that they never have to pay back), but what about the money that Israel and their threats cost us in the form of higher oil/gasoline/diesel prices?

The US consumes about 350 MILLION gallons of gasoline EVERY DAY. So if BibiNet's threats cause speculation to go wild, and prices go up by, say 20 cents per gallon as a result (conservatively)*, what does that translate to?

About $70 MILLION per day, EVERY DAY.

How much has that cost us, not only as taxpayers, but as CONSUMERS, so far this year? How much has it cost you PERSONALLY?

And yet we have Romney and Obama in a knock-down drag-out competition to see who can better kiss Israeli ass?

Who the fark is running the USA, and whose interests are they serving?


*Note that I estimated only 20 cents per gallon - ridiculously conservative because, of course, there are other factors that have caused oil prices to jump this year (Euro, etc), but no one in the know will deny that the Israel-Iran tension has been a MAJOR factor in that increase. Of course, spinmeister pundits always place the blame on a country whose name starts with the letter "I", but no one dares blame Israel.


;-)
2012-08-04 02:52:03 PM
3 votes:
FORGET SANCTIONS

WE NEED TO GIVE GREEN FONTS MORE TIME TO WORK
2012-08-04 04:15:30 PM
2 votes:
mycatbirdseat.com

FARK YEAH! NUKE IRAN!!!


/Israel has the right to defend itself
//No one else does, especially not Iran
///Just Israel
2012-08-04 08:01:55 PM
1 votes:

clowncar on fire: You only allow them to have nukes once they hace demonstarted they value their own lives as much as we value ours. Strapping bombs onto your waist (i refer to the region at this point- not Iran specifically) and wandering into crowds of non-military citizens for the purpose blowing them to bits does not help their cause at the moment.

I'm more comfortable with out any weapons being in the hands of the "death is but a doorway to Paradise" crowd- which is probably why any uber-religious group or person should beforbidden ownership of weaponry.


Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

These people are not blowing themselves up BECAUSE of their religion, that does play some part into it yes, but that is not the main driving reason. I paid attention in history class, I don't remember Muslims sending fire ships into New York Harbor in the 1880's. I don't remember suicide car bombings in the 1930's. I remember some piracy off their shores and that was about it. If religion was the DRIVING force we would have seen these past events, but we don't.

The reason they attack us today is because for the last 50 years we have been meddling in their internal affairs. We have installed/propped up dictators who have brutalized and oppressed their people for decades. They know that until the US has been driven from the region they will not have self rule. The purpose of 9/11 was to get the US more deeply involved and more easily attacked. They have told us their goals repeatedly, bankrupt the US Soviet Union style to force it to leave the region forever.

Why the suicide attacks? Because the US supported/influenced tyrants have made life so miserable that these people have nothing to lose. If they lined up as a regular army they know they would get slaughtered, so why not just go for a suicide attack and do far more damage. Either method ends in death. Self rule is worth dying for, so they make the very rational choice to sacrifice themselves for the future of their people to have the ability to rule themselves. If the roles were reversed you'd see Americans lining up around the corner to strap on the bomb belts for the same reasons and you and I would be cheering them on for their bravery and sacrifice.

People shriek on and on about how Muslims want to impose Sharia law onto the west, and then in the same breath talk about how they are going to impose western values onto the Muslim world, not once stopping to see the hypocrisy.

As for bombing civilians, once needs to remember that there are 2 ways to win a war:

1. Destroy your enemies ability to wage war, either militarily or economically.
2. Destroy your enemies political will to fight.

There are no rules in war. If you are not willing to accept that then don't go to war in the first place and don't pursue foreign policy that will result in war. We may try to put some lipstick on that pig with the Geneva Conventions and what not, but it's nothing but window dressing to hide the ugly reality. If you want to win and think you can do that by bombing school buses and shopping centers then you'd be an idiot not to. History doesn't care who had the moral high ground, only who won.

I personally don't want to go to war and thus want to peruse policies that will minimize any chance of war. I want a foreign policy of national DEFENSE, not offense.

Bin Laden has told us, REPEATEDLY and PUBLICLY, WHY he is attacking us. In case you've never looked for it.

1. U.S. support for Israel that keeps Palestinians in the Israelis' thrall.
2. U.S. and other Western troops on the Arabian Peninsula.
3. U.S. support for Russia, India, and China against their Muslim militants.
4. U.S. pressure on Arab energy producers to keep oil prices low.
5. U.S. support for apostate, corrupt, and tyrannical Muslim governments.

Nothing inherently religious there.

Whether or not you agree with those motivations or believe they are true or not, THAT is why they are attacking the US. The propaganda "TEY HAT US FUR UR FREEDOOM" doesn't even pass the smell test and is demonstrably false with even a little digging.

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
2012-08-04 07:53:57 PM
1 votes:

clowncar on fire: schubie: LDM90: schubie: It's weird how 99% of Republicans think that America is safer as long as everyone has a handgun but they won't let Iran have nukes. They're surrounded. Look at Pakistan and India. Before they got their nuclear bombs thousands of people died in little border skirmishes and attacks. Now they've chilled the fark out and it's not b/c they've matured or something.

Republicans like our President?

Yeah, and it's stupid. I know we've been trained to hate Iran since they overthrew our Shah but every Iranian I've ever met is super cool, secular and usually ridiculously attractive. The US and UK have been farking with them decades including shooting down their passenger planes, I think it's natural that some of them would be a little death to America. Yet I've never met an Iranian who thought that.

I lived in Iran from 76-78. I've only met a few Iranians that i did not get along with then or even now.

The problem is the 30+years of programming going on inside of that fish bowl since. School does not teach us to hate them as a people. Our distrust is more based on the religious extremism they embraced over the freedoms they enjoyed under a Western backed goverment, and the political rhetoric of destruction that is far more pronounced than any good that has come out of that country. Your government is a representitive of your people. One thing for sure: you talk nonsense like the anihilation of Israel, crush anything that looks like opposition, and babble on about the gates of Paradise- you're bound to raise a few eyebrows in the great society of nuke holders.

That aside, most college aged people you meet tend to be untainted by politics and tend to be pretty cool no matter where they come from.


"Western-backed government"

That makes everything OK. The shah was a kindly father to his people. Being western-backed and such. Then the crazy extremists came along for no apparent reason and destroyed the happy paradise that is a western-backed government. For no apparent reason.

When will these primitive savages learn.

But at least our hands are clean. At least Saddam/Noriega/Mubarak/list-goes-on-and-on wasn't western-backed.
2012-08-04 05:56:53 PM
1 votes:
Look, Futurama's one of the greatest shows ever made but I'm right. I'm right in every way and you can't deny that. You can't say why you think we are occupying Iraq. You can say you think it's because Saddam was using the weapons we sold him against the Kurds, you could say it was because W wanted to show HW he was tougher than your average cheerleader, you could say we were just being dicks and are going to take the oil. And maybe we will, eventually but it was TO CUT THE SUPPLY OFF so that oil companies would make their history making profits. So you're paying for the war and the oil. Nice, huh? That's not even considering the hundreds of thousands of dead people. How many did Saddamn kill?

Let me really blow your mind about Afghanistan. You ever play Risk? Do you notice it's the way to get from East to West and everyone since Alexander has been trying and failing to conquer it? Well, we're no different. We want to build and control an oil pipeline. So we're occupying the place as best we can. Did you know a lot of your more rural Afghans think we're the farking Soviets? We are paying billions of dollars to do this. We could've just traded and bought the pipeline but we had to kill people. Really make those fighter jets useful. And no, we're not a lot more discriminate with our bombing then your average suicide asshole at a market.
2012-08-04 03:39:23 PM
1 votes:

WillieWildcat: schubie: It's weird how 99% of Republicans think that America is safer as long as everyone has a handgun but they won't let Iran have nukes. They're surrounded. Look at Pakistan and India. Before they got their nuclear bombs thousands of people died in little border skirmishes and attacks. Now they've chilled the fark out and it's not b/c they've matured or something.

It's funny that you say that. I used to be completely against Iran having nuclear weapons, until I came to that same realization. I firmly believe that if every house had a firearm, burglaries and home invasions would drop dramatically. Street crime would be down if criminals knew that the average person was more likely carrying a weapon than not. Then I questioned why Iran shouldn't have their own nuclear weapons if their neighbors and Israel have their own. Israel would never attack Iran if they knew that Iran had nukes. I'm also of the opinion that the presence of nuclear weapons has kept the world's larger powers at peace simply because we could all obliterate each other and realistically, no one wants that. So, why doesn't that apply to that region?

Now, this all goes right out the window if it can ever be proven that these nations (Iran, Best Korea, etc.) are developing nuclear weapons and then selling them to the highest bidder. Then, we stop them from developing these weapons.

/Republican
//-ish.


You only allow them to have nukes once they hace demonstarted they value their own lives as much as we value ours. Strapping bombs onto your waist (i refer to the region at this point- not Iran specifically) and wandering into crowds of non-military citizens for the purpose blowing them to bits does not help their cause at the moment.

I'm more comfortable with out any weapons being in the hands of the "death is but a doorway to Paradise" crowd- which is probably why any uber-religious group or person should beforbidden ownership of weaponry.
2012-08-04 03:11:12 PM
1 votes:

schubie: It's weird how 99% of Republicans think that America is safer as long as everyone has a handgun but they won't let Iran have nukes. They're surrounded. Look at Pakistan and India. Before they got their nuclear bombs thousands of people died in little border skirmishes and attacks. Now they've chilled the fark out and it's not b/c they've matured or something.


It's funny that you say that. I used to be completely against Iran having nuclear weapons, until I came to that same realization. I firmly believe that if every house had a firearm, burglaries and home invasions would drop dramatically. Street crime would be down if criminals knew that the average person was more likely carrying a weapon than not. Then I questioned why Iran shouldn't have their own nuclear weapons if their neighbors and Israel have their own. Israel would never attack Iran if they knew that Iran had nukes. I'm also of the opinion that the presence of nuclear weapons has kept the world's larger powers at peace simply because we could all obliterate each other and realistically, no one wants that. So, why doesn't that apply to that region?

Now, this all goes right out the window if it can ever be proven that these nations (Iran, Best Korea, etc.) are developing nuclear weapons and then selling them to the highest bidder. Then, we stop them from developing these weapons.

/Republican
//-ish.
2012-08-04 02:52:49 PM
1 votes:
Best Korea still trying to master MS Paint.
2012-08-04 02:49:43 PM
1 votes:
Dude, GIMP works just fine, and it's all one window now.
2012-08-04 02:33:47 PM
1 votes:
If they really want to be impressive, they should budget for the full CS6 for professionals and Maya. Photoshop is good but After Effects and Maya are better for video.
 
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