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(Local10 WPLG)   Man acts as own attorney, tells judge, "You trippin'. I going to trial." As you might expect, this did not end well   (local10.com) divider line 87
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2012-08-04 01:16:37 PM
James made what some legal observers consider his worst decision when he called himself to the stand to explain why he originally confessed.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha! Those interchanges are always fun to watch.
 
2012-08-04 02:28:01 PM
I think it ended pretty well, actually.

Anybody stupid enough to act as his own lawyer belongs in jail.

/yes, I think stupidity should be a criminal offense
 
2012-08-04 02:36:14 PM
"That's just how I talk, man," he told Strauss. "You don't understand the street talk, how we talk."


Unluckily for him, no one on the jury was fluent in Jive.
 
2012-08-04 02:52:52 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: "That's just how I talk, man," he told Strauss. "You don't understand the street talk, how we talk."

Unluckily for him, no one on the jury was fluent in Jive.


I had to watch the vid about a dozen times before I understood what he was saying in the statement made just earlier.

I think it was, "probably at the crib, chilling."
 
2012-08-04 03:02:26 PM

eraser8: I think it was, "probably at the crib, chilling."


I think it was:

"Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears; I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones; so let it be with Caesar."

Or something to that effect.
 
2012-08-04 03:51:41 PM

eraser8: I think it ended pretty well, actually.

Anybody stupid enough to act as his own lawyer belongs in jail.

/yes, I think stupidity should be a criminal offense


I'm there with you. He was offered the chance to have a lawyer, didn't take it, and got himself in prison. Nobody's fault but his own, as far as I'm concerned, guilty or not. I'm a fan of people taking responsibility for their own actions, and this guy, despite just about everybody telling him just how stupid he was to do this, did it anyway. I have absolutely no sympathy.
 
2012-08-04 04:01:01 PM
Oh, and thank you Mr./Mrs. Juryperson for taking it into your own hands to amend the charges.
 
2012-08-04 04:35:50 PM
English, motherfarker...

If you're going to represent yourself in court, you better be able to speak an intelligent dialect of it.
 
2012-08-04 04:38:44 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: "That's just how I talk, man," he told Strauss. "You don't understand the street talk, how we talk."


Unluckily for him, no one on the jury was fluent in Jive.


What's jive for "I traded your ass for a pack of smokes"?
 
2012-08-04 04:41:48 PM
U doin' good son... u doin' good!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-04 04:43:06 PM
FTFA: "The judge was going to send the panel back to reconsider its verdict, but decided to let things stand in anticipation the case will eventually end up being appealed, anyway."

Anyway what?

/comma nazi
 
2012-08-04 04:46:16 PM
"Your Honor, I move for a Bad Court thingy . . ."
 
2012-08-04 04:46:26 PM
Tyler Perry Mason returns in 'The Case of Duplicitous Dumbass' after these commercial messages...
 
2012-08-04 04:46:33 PM
Otay judge, lets me axe you eh question! You be trippin boo!
 
2012-08-04 04:47:57 PM
www.local10.com

I'm very surprised by his race when combined with his use of the slurry BV.
 
2012-08-04 04:51:01 PM
"But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen! "
 
2012-08-04 04:52:49 PM
It doesn't bother anyone else that our court system is such that representing one's self is discouraged?
 
2012-08-04 04:55:41 PM

eraser8: /yes, I think stupidity should be a criminal offense


*Internet fist bump*

/We could send the guilty to Florida.
//Oh, wait...
 
2012-08-04 04:56:06 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: It doesn't bother anyone else that our court system is such that representing one's self is discouraged?


Yes very much so. The legal system is a foreign language and you better have someone fluent enough to represent you. Anyone appointed by the court is overworked and wants to get your case over as quick as possible.
 
2012-08-04 04:59:40 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: "That's just how I talk, man," he told Strauss. "You don't understand the street talk, how we talk."


Unluckily for him, no one on the jury was fluent in Jive.


Possibly because none of the assembled people were turkeys.

/ what you talking bout, jive turkey?
 
2012-08-04 05:00:03 PM

Valiente: What's jive for "I traded your ass for a pack of smokes"?


*makes an elaborate series of complicated hand gestures*

Sorry, I only speak American Sign Jive.
 
2012-08-04 05:00:50 PM

iheartscotch: Possibly because none of the assembled people were turkeys.

/ what you talking bout, jive turkey?


No, but they *were* decidedly mellow.

Maybe even mod.
 
2012-08-04 05:03:30 PM
Cases like these are why we need a double dumbass tag
 
2012-08-04 05:03:55 PM
According to the arrest form, James and two others allegedly held up a man at gunpoint as he was leaving International Brokers Realty off U.S. One and Pembroke Road October 18, 2010. The victim testified that they got away with an $1,800 watch, his cell phone and a handful of other items. The record shows the trio tried to steal the man's Mercedes but were unable to figure out how to get it in gear, and left in their own vehicle.

Hoarder of wealth, meet the inevitable result of poverty. Maybe now funding the inner-city school system seems like a good idea, eh?
 
2012-08-04 05:04:39 PM
Oh how I hate "news" stations that are like in the video. Just say the facts. I don't need music or commentating voice overs.
 
2012-08-04 05:04:41 PM
For the most part, James did alright. But, it was obvious he was often frustrated, confused - and at times, angry particularly when he couldn't speak the legal language.

"That's just how I talk, man," he told Strauss. "You don't understand the street talk, how we talk."



Please understand that I would like to punch you directly in the face, man.

It's really frustrating, seeing just how many people admire and imitate this guy's manner of speech, even when they've been taught better. Because it's cool. Voluntary ignorance of a language, and the resulting coining of "needed" words, does not equal evolution of a language.

/hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts
 
2012-08-04 05:05:48 PM
For the most part, James did alright.

It seems the defendant isn't the only one who has problems with English.
 
2012-08-04 05:06:31 PM
I am a lawyer

I work for the state

I often deal with people who represent themselves in court

The legal term for someone who appears in court without a lawyer is "pro se."

I do not know Latin, but I think "pro se" is Latin for "batshiat crazy"
 
2012-08-04 05:10:33 PM

Dogberry: Oh, and thank you Mr./Mrs. Juryperson for taking it into your own hands to amend the charges.


No sh*t. Sounds like he was definitely in front of a jury of his peers.
 
2012-08-04 05:12:02 PM
They were caught minutes later after an intense pursuit through several cities.

That's what I call high-speed.
 
2012-08-04 05:14:54 PM

fusillade762: For the most part, James did aight.

It seems the defendant isn't the only one who has problems with English.


FTFY
 
2012-08-04 05:20:05 PM

Dear Jerk: They were caught minutes later after an intense pursuit through several cities.

That's what I call high-speed.


It's just South Florida for you. Every other neighborhood is a "city".
 
2012-08-04 05:22:28 PM
Badly written indeed, this whole article is herky jerky. Serious case of comma poisoning/punctuation poisoning in general.
 
2012-08-04 05:22:55 PM

cptjeff: I'm there with you. He was offered the chance to have a lawyer, didn't take it, and got himself in prison. Nobody's fault but his own, as far as I'm concerned, guilty or not. I'm a fan of people taking responsibility for their own actions, and this guy, despite just about everybody telling him just how stupid he was to do this, did it anyway. I have absolutely no sympathy.


I wonder if he can mount a successful appeal on the grounds of incompetent counsel?
 
2012-08-04 05:24:16 PM
Jurors crossed out the word firearm on the form, which is not permitted by law.

A charge of "Robbery with a firearm" is not allowed, has to be plain robbery? Or jury messing with the charges isn't allowed? Assuming #2.
 
2012-08-04 05:31:30 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: It doesn't bother anyone else that our court system is such that representing one's self is discouraged?


there aren't a lot of unnecessary rules or legal procedures that can be safely discarded in order to make the law more accessible to laymen that won't also simultaneously sacrifice the ability of courts to determine and impose equitable outcomes.
for instance, removing frye or daubert standards for expert testimony might make things easier for Kurt James the car jacker to understand while he is boning up on the rules of evidence in his jail cell, but in the aggregate their removal will certainly hinder the functioning of our justice system much more than help it.
the things that make it complicated and very difficult for a laymen to prepare effectively for in a short amount of time are generally there for very good reasons.
in general legal rules and procedure are not bullshiat created to ensure the survival of a lucrative legal profession.
 
2012-08-04 05:44:52 PM

eraser8: /yes, I think stupidity should be a criminal offense


I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that you're far less smart than you think you are.
 
2012-08-04 05:48:19 PM

farkityfarker: eraser8: /yes, I think stupidity should be a criminal offense

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that you're far less smart than you think you are.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that while that may be true, he is probably smart enough not to represent himself and say "You trippin'. I going to trial."
 
2012-08-04 05:54:21 PM

BigNumber12: For the most part, James did alright. But, it was obvious he was often frustrated, confused - and at times, angry particularly when he couldn't speak the legal language.

"That's just how I talk, man," he told Strauss. "You don't understand the street talk, how we talk."


Please understand that I would like to punch you directly in the face, man.

It's really frustrating, seeing just how many people admire and imitate this guy's manner of speech, even when they've been taught better. Because it's cool. Voluntary ignorance of a language, and the resulting coining of "needed" words, does not equal evolution of a language.

/hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts


Yes, it does. It may be an evolutionary path of which you do not approve, but it is evolution just the same. Shakespeare would read your post above and probably bemoan the ignorance in it, exemplified by the use of slang and minute vocabulary. Of course, he'd probably say the same of Charles Dickens or Jane Austen.

Language is not stagnant unless it's dead. Three hundred years in the future, school children might need Cliff Notes to understand your post and mine. This is neither a good thing nor a bad thing, simply an inevitable thing.
 
2012-08-04 05:56:31 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: It doesn't bother anyone else that our court system is such that representing one's self is discouraged?


Yes and no. Our system is such self-representation is basically a guaranteed loss due to hosts of rules which are routinely exploited. However, legal terminology has to be incredibly specific to assure minimal misinterpretation and subversion of the law. Further, the rights of several parties has to be represented and supported by the system to provide for fair and proper trials to neither deprive someone of liberty nor justice. Not to mention our populace is generally moronic with no understanding of basic rights much less specific statutes or national case law; people do not bother with cursory understandings of the barest knowledge of law, thus I would strongly advise by default not representing one's self.
 
2012-08-04 05:59:07 PM

cptjeff: I'm there with you. He was offered the chance to have a lawyer, didn't take it, and got himself in prison. Nobody's fault but his own, as far as I'm concerned, guilty or not. I'm a fan of people taking responsibility for their own actions, and this guy, despite just about everybody telling him just how stupid he was to do this, did it anyway. I have absolutely no sympathy.


With the amended charges he could end up freed it sounds like.
 
2012-08-04 05:59:53 PM

farkityfarker: eraser8: /yes, I think stupidity should be a criminal offense

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suspect that you're far less smart than you think you are.


And your assumption here is based on inside knowledge? Perhaps your far superior intellect?
 
2012-08-04 06:00:47 PM
Street talk is one thing. Incoherent mumbling is another.

/Get the marbles out of your mouth, counselor.
 
2012-08-04 06:04:27 PM
I'm surprised Mr. James first attempt to practice law in court did not work to his favor. He seems to be both attractive and successful.
 
2012-08-04 06:05:51 PM
Im surprised he didn't talk himself into confessing on the stand.
 
2012-08-04 06:10:41 PM
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2012-08-04 06:19:55 PM

davidphogan: cptjeff: I'm there with you. He was offered the chance to have a lawyer, didn't take it, and got himself in prison. Nobody's fault but his own, as far as I'm concerned, guilty or not. I'm a fan of people taking responsibility for their own actions, and this guy, despite just about everybody telling him just how stupid he was to do this, did it anyway. I have absolutely no sympathy.

With the amended charges he could end up freed it sounds like.


Technicalities don't work like that. The jury is being forced to reconsider the robbery with a firearm verdict, but the carjacking verdict will stand, and it's very doubtful that there's any grounds for appeal on that one. He may get out of the assault with a firearm charge (easy enough claim- the jury rejecting a necessary element of the charge is substantively a not guilty verdict on that particular charge), but he's been convicted pretty solidly and will be sentenced on the carjacking one.

People seem to have it in their minds that criminals routinely go free due to minor process issues. No, they don't. They go for a fresh trial, and are usually convicted anyway if they actually did the crime. An appeals court overturning a verdict simply means they have to go through a trial over that count again, unless the prosecution decides to drop it.
 
2012-08-04 06:24:05 PM

Mitrovarr: According to the arrest form, James and two others allegedly held up a man at gunpoint as he was leaving International Brokers Realty off U.S. One and Pembroke Road October 18, 2010. The victim testified that they got away with an $1,800 watch, his cell phone and a handful of other items. The record shows the trio tried to steal the man's Mercedes but were unable to figure out how to get it in gear, and left in their own vehicle.

Hoarder of wealth, meet the inevitable result of poverty. Maybe now funding the inner-city school system seems like a good idea, eh?


Not easy to teach those who don't want to learn..many are capable, but convinced that they know it all already.. not an inner-city school problem at all.. a problem with students that have not been prepared to learn by their parent(s).. education starts at home, from day 1.. and it is not a racial issue, it's a parental issue.
 
2012-08-04 06:24:23 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: U doin' good son... u doin' good!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x254]


I remember seeing some excerpts from his trial, the most telling being when he was questioning surviving victims/witnesses and them replying that they had seen him doing the shooting. Colin Ferguson had earlier stated that he fell asleep on the train and that another man had stolen his gun and started shooting. The witnesses refuted that soundly.
 
2012-08-04 06:30:50 PM
If the jive don't fit, you have to convict.
 
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