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(Columbus Dispatch)   Gov. Kasich of Ohio (R): I'm going to tax oil and gas producers a little more and pass that on to the citizens of Ohio through an income tax cut. Tea Party: BOOOOO   (dispatch.com ) divider line
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2012-08-04 10:42:02 AM  
Although Littleton described the effort as "totally independent," he also acknowledged that it is supported by a network of conservative Ohio policy groups and some conservative organizations with a national reach. Those include the National Taxpayers Union, Americans for Prosperity, and Americans for Tax Reform.

The cognitive dissonance is breathtaking.
 
2012-08-04 10:50:26 AM  
At no point was the Tea Party ever about taxes or tax relief for citizens.
 
2012-08-04 10:54:07 AM  

Vodka Zombie: At no point was the Tea Party ever about taxes or tax relief for citizens.


Maybe, way back when. Way back when, they had some libertarian leanings, too. Those days are far behind us, now they're just the lunatic fringe of the GOP.
 
2012-08-04 10:57:41 AM  

St_Francis_P: Vodka Zombie: At no point was the Tea Party ever about taxes or tax relief for citizens.

Maybe, way back when. Way back when, they had some libertarian leanings, too. Those days are far behind us, now they're just the lunatic fringe of the GOP.


Even way back when they were still shills of the Koch brothers.
 
2012-08-04 10:59:26 AM  

BunkyBrewman: St_Francis_P: Vodka Zombie: At no point was the Tea Party ever about taxes or tax relief for citizens.

Maybe, way back when. Way back when, they had some libertarian leanings, too. Those days are far behind us, now they're just the lunatic fringe of the GOP.

Even way back when they were still shills of the Koch brothers.


No no, they were a grassroots organization! Honest ;-)
 
2012-08-04 11:04:07 AM  

Vodka Zombie: At no point was the Tea Party ever about taxes or tax relief for citizens.


Yep.

I recall a survey or poll conducted during one of their marches that the only issue that could be said to truly unite Tea Partiers was abortion.
 
2012-08-04 11:57:33 AM  
An Associated Press review found that the latter two have received "energy education" grants from the American Petroleum Institute, a trade association of the oil refiners such as BP, Exxon and Marathon

This is like a sickness.
 
2012-08-04 12:25:00 PM  
The Tea Party is trying its best to make everyone as miserable as possible. Well, except CEOs. Good work, Useful Idiots.
 
2012-08-04 01:29:25 PM  
The only thing teabaggers like is their own misery - without it they have nothing.
 
2012-08-04 01:33:35 PM  

Vodka Zombie: At no point was the Tea Party ever about taxes or tax relief for citizens.


Of course it is. The Kock brothers are citizens, after all.
 
2012-08-04 01:34:24 PM  
oops, Freudian slip
 
2012-08-04 01:42:21 PM  
The key has been to pass as much cash out of the system as possible. This is the real issue.

When the middle and lower classes get tax cuts, they have more discrentionary funds to spend. Or even to sock away. That money circulates, and is eventually pushed upstream to the big boys, but not before it has had time to pass from a few folks. When the larger players get a tax break, they sock it away, out of the local economy, in banks outside their communities, and then often shipped out of the country entirely, with little time to be spent circulating, before investment banks and others get their mitts on it.

Tax breaks to the middle and lower classes help speed up economic growth, by increasing demand. The larger players get that money eventually--it gets spent and it heads upstream, but not before the folks downstream get some goods and services, or pass it around to one another a few times. Each time it passes, there is a greater chance that some of that cash will pass into taxable income, and the state gets a piece of that passing around. You want growth? You increase that localized spending. The cash WILL wind up going to the largest players, eventually. What we have with the push for tax breaks for the largest players only, is cutting down on the time it takes to pass that cash upstream, and this is part of the problem.

Local investment. Local spending. That's what we need. We need more folks passing those dollars around, a lot more often. It will eventually go out, but not before those dollars see a few more folks, and buy goods and services that will actually have something to show for them.
 
2012-08-04 01:49:19 PM  

St_Francis_P: The cognitive dissonance is breathtaking.


Don't you meant the lack of cognitive dissonance is breathtaking?

I hope so...because the statement doesn't seem to betray even the slightest whiff of cognitive dissonance.
 
2012-08-04 02:02:35 PM  

hubiestubert: The key has been to pass as much cash out of the system as possible. This is the real issue.

When the middle and lower classes get tax cuts, they have more discrentionary funds to spend. Or even to sock away. That money circulates, and is eventually pushed upstream to the big boys, but not before it has had time to pass from a few folks. When the larger players get a tax break, they sock it away, out of the local economy, in banks outside their communities, and then often shipped out of the country entirely, with little time to be spent circulating, before investment banks and others get their mitts on it.

Tax breaks to the middle and lower classes help speed up economic growth, by increasing demand. The larger players get that money eventually--it gets spent and it heads upstream, but not before the folks downstream get some goods and services, or pass it around to one another a few times. Each time it passes, there is a greater chance that some of that cash will pass into taxable income, and the state gets a piece of that passing around. You want growth? You increase that localized spending. The cash WILL wind up going to the largest players, eventually. What we have with the push for tax breaks for the largest players only, is cutting down on the time it takes to pass that cash upstream, and this is part of the problem.

Local investment. Local spending. That's what we need. We need more folks passing those dollars around, a lot more often. It will eventually go out, but not before those dollars see a few more folks, and buy goods and services that will actually have something to show for them.


Well stated, and so seemingly obviously rooted in unassailable common sense.

And yet any republican official who suggested this as a starting point for policy would be primaried out on his ass so fast his head would spin.
 
2012-08-04 02:05:10 PM  

hubiestubert: Local investment. Local spending. That's what we need. We need more folks passing those dollars around, a lot more often. It will eventually go out, but not before those dollars see a few more folks, and buy goods and services that will actually have something to show for them.


You are favorited for a reason.
 
2012-08-04 02:25:14 PM  
FTFA: "Thompson said he thinks Kasich's tax proposal could hurt Ohio's growing drilling industry, which is benefiting his district. He declined to say who brought the tax pledge to his attention or who asked him to sign."

Oil and gas extraction isn't like other businesses. You can decide where you build a factory based on taxes, but you have to drill where the farking hydrocarbons are. There is no better opportunity to capitalize on nature's bounty for your locality than taxing this.

This anti-tax pathology is why we can't have nice things.
 
2012-08-04 02:43:28 PM  
Teabaggers' stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Damn Teabaggers.
 
2012-08-04 03:05:55 PM  

gilgigamesh: hubiestubert: The key has been to pass as much cash out of the system as possible. This is the real issue.

When the middle and lower classes get tax cuts, they have more discrentionary funds to spend. Or even to sock away. That money circulates, and is eventually pushed upstream to the big boys, but not before it has had time to pass from a few folks. When the larger players get a tax break, they sock it away, out of the local economy, in banks outside their communities, and then often shipped out of the country entirely, with little time to be spent circulating, before investment banks and others get their mitts on it.

Tax breaks to the middle and lower classes help speed up economic growth, by increasing demand. The larger players get that money eventually--it gets spent and it heads upstream, but not before the folks downstream get some goods and services, or pass it around to one another a few times. Each time it passes, there is a greater chance that some of that cash will pass into taxable income, and the state gets a piece of that passing around. You want growth? You increase that localized spending. The cash WILL wind up going to the largest players, eventually. What we have with the push for tax breaks for the largest players only, is cutting down on the time it takes to pass that cash upstream, and this is part of the problem.

Local investment. Local spending. That's what we need. We need more folks passing those dollars around, a lot more often. It will eventually go out, but not before those dollars see a few more folks, and buy goods and services that will actually have something to show for them.

Well stated, and so seemingly obviously rooted in unassailable common sense.

And yet any republican official who suggested this as a starting point for policy would be primaried out on his ass so fast his head would spin.


Y'know, I can totally see a Republican candidate saying exactly that... then top it off by saying "and that's why we need to give tax breaks to the job creators." And the Tea Party faithful would lap it up with a spoon.
 
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2012-08-04 04:02:40 PM  
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2012-08-04 05:16:24 PM  
Ah, the beauty of astroturfing.

doyner: FTFA: "Thompson said he thinks Kasich's tax proposal could hurt Ohio's growing drilling industry, which is benefiting his district. He declined to say who brought the tax pledge to his attention or who asked him to sign."

Oil and gas extraction isn't like other businesses. You can decide where you build a factory based on taxes, but you have to drill where the farking hydrocarbons are. There is no better opportunity to capitalize on nature's bounty for your locality than taxing this.

This anti-tax pathology is why we can't have nice things.


Seriously, this. For me it's the single biggest mind-boggling ideology (or "pathology" as you say) of Americans.
 
2012-08-04 05:21:43 PM  
This should be the last straw for anyone on the fence about the tea party. This is above and beyond proof that even the most brain-dead retard couldn't wince at.
 
2012-08-04 05:22:28 PM  
Dance. Yes, I said dance.... DANCE YOU farkING PUPPETS, DANCE!!!!
 
2012-08-04 05:25:21 PM  
S. LOUISE Palin did the same thing, and the Teahadists love her.
 
2012-08-04 05:28:32 PM  
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2012-08-04 05:28:48 PM  

Bladel: Vodka Zombie: At no point was the Tea Party ever about taxes or tax relief for citizens.

Yep.

I recall a survey or poll conducted during one of their marches that the only issue that could be said to truly unite Tea Partiers was abortion.


Can't we just retroactively abort the Tea Party?
 
2012-08-04 05:29:14 PM  

St_Francis_P: Although Littleton described the effort as "totally independent," he also acknowledged that it is supported by a network of conservative Ohio policy groups and some conservative organizations with a national reach. Those include the National Taxpayers Union, Americans for Prosperity, and Americans for Tax Reform.

The cognitive dissonance is breathtaking.


If we could tap into the cognitive dissonance of the TBaggers as a source of power, it would replace oil, gas and coal and still leave an energy surplus.
 
2012-08-04 05:30:17 PM  

Gyrony: St_Francis_P: Although Littleton described the effort as "totally independent," he also acknowledged that it is supported by a network of conservative Ohio policy groups and some conservative organizations with a national reach. Those include the National Taxpayers Union, Americans for Prosperity, and Americans for Tax Reform.

The cognitive dissonance is breathtaking.

If we could tap into the cognitive dissonance of the TBaggers as a source of power, it would replace oil, gas and coal and still leave an energy surplus.


...with the added benefit of being a domestic source of energy!
 
2012-08-04 05:32:16 PM  
Hopefully the combination of chicken sandwiches, constant outrage, a belief that medical care is socialism and advanced age will start decreasing the numbers of these people.

/It can't be good for your heart to be that angry that often.
 
2012-08-04 05:35:18 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: This should be the last straw for anyone on the fence about the tea party. This is above and beyond proof that even the most brain-dead retard couldn't wince at.


Sadly, most of the brain-dead retards aren't against rich white people getting a lot of money, because that means that'll come down to poor whites and give them jobs, elevating them to their 'rightful' status as the upper class. That's what the Tea Party really is: poor hicks trying to make their skin color mean something to the point of being subservient.
 
2012-08-04 05:39:28 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: That's what the Tea Party really is: poor hicks trying to make their skin color mean something to the point of being subservient.


pretty much
 
2012-08-04 05:41:12 PM  
Can we please quit calling these folks tea partiers? They're the base of the republican party, period. Get back to me when these fools form their own political party and run for elections.
 
2012-08-04 05:41:20 PM  

Anenu: Hopefully the combination of chicken sandwiches, constant outrage, a belief that medical care is socialism and advanced age will start decreasing the numbers of these people.

/It can't be good for your heart to be that angry that often.


Hopefully the off-gassing from all the Chinese made American flags combined with the off-gassing from the sharpies from their misspelled signed will synergistically do them in faster.
 
2012-08-04 05:42:16 PM  
I hate Kasich as much as the next Ohioan, but I respect his stance here. The natural gas is here, it the energy companies want it, they gotta pay for it. His original proposal call for the tax on fracking to go to tax relief for Ohioans so I don't see what the Tea party is complaining about.

In fact, I think the drilling companies should pay an upfront bond so that if fracking ends up hurting our water supply or causing earthquakes, we can be sure to recover damages. Plus, I think the companies would try to be more careful if they know they can lose the bond.
 
2012-08-04 05:42:22 PM  

eraser8: St_Francis_P: The cognitive dissonance is breathtaking.

Don't you meant the lack of cognitive dissonance is breathtaking?

I hope so...because the statement doesn't seem to betray even the slightest whiff of cognitive dissonance.


I guess you're joking/trolling? An "independent" organization that happens to be heavily funded by various ultra-partisan national political action groups?
 
2012-08-04 05:43:02 PM  
www.sconefest.com
 
2012-08-04 05:45:48 PM  

elchip: S. LOUISE Palin did the same thing, and the Teahadists love her.


No, the taxes on the exploitation of natural resources in Alaska leading to money being paid directly from a state fund to the citizens dates to the 1960s, when oil exploration started in the state.
 
2012-08-04 05:52:53 PM  

Graffito: I hate Kasich as much as the next Ohioan, but I respect his stance here. The natural gas is here, it the energy companies want it, they gotta pay for it. His original proposal call for the tax on fracking to go to tax relief for Ohioans so I don't see what the Tea party is complaining about.

In fact, I think the drilling companies should pay an upfront bond so that if fracking ends up hurting our water supply or causing earthquakes, we can be sure to recover damages. Plus, I think the companies would try to be more careful if they know they can lose the bond.


You do understand that the "Tea Party" is simply the Republican party, and they complain about whatever the party leaders tell them to complain about, right?

"I want my taxes raised to pay for tax cuts for the rich!"
"How dare you give us socialized medicine that I will benefit greatly from?! I prefer to go bankrupt the next time I catch a disease!"
"I demand less jerb*-killing regulations, and more people-killing corporations!"
"I want them to drill for hydrocarbons in my backyard, destroying my aquifers and water table. Having no water is a small price to pay for the privilege of knowing that some jerb*-creator can make more money!"
"How dare 0bummer Hussein Ayatollah BonerHitler help overthrow Libya without losing a single American life!! I wanted thousands of Americans to die in a hopeless quagmire!"
"I SIMULTANEOUSLY DEMAND TO FIRE ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES AND GET MORE POLICE PROTECTION FROM INNER CITY THUGS!!!"
"Down with unions! It's their fault that my employer pays me minimum wage and won't give me health benefits!"

/Jerbs: They're like jobs, except they don't actually exist in the US and never will.
 
2012-08-04 05:53:01 PM  
All Kasich is doing is expanding upon the Colin Powell Doctrine. If you recall, prior to the Second Iraq War, Colin Powell repeatedly stated that the oil in Iraq belongs to the people of Iraq. Kasich is merely substituting "Ohio" for "Iraq."
 
2012-08-04 05:54:25 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: elchip: S. LOUISE Palin did the same thing, and the Teahadists love her.

No, the taxes on the exploitation of natural resources in Alaska leading to money being paid directly from a state fund to the citizens dates to the 1960s, when oil exploration started in the state.


I know. But she didn't seek to get rid of it.
 
2012-08-04 05:54:40 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Guntram Shatterhand: That's what the Tea Party really is: poor hicks trying to make their skin color mean something to the point of being subservient.

pretty much


Last place aversion.

Life is all about pecking order.
 
2012-08-04 05:55:25 PM  
"It's fundamentally and predatorily redistributing the wealth of Ohio in the most disgusting way," said Littleton, point person on last year's successful campaign outlawing government health-care mandates

uhhhh what? no tax changes anywhere not even tax reductions... do nothing and pay for nothing crowd... morons much?

// somewhat related but really dont get why these anti tax people are like taxing people is bad but price gouging and manipulation is totally cool...
 
2012-08-04 05:55:31 PM  
Has there ever in history been a group of people so united in the depth of their stupidity? Has there ever been a group of people so happy to be slaves and cheer on the ones holding the whip?
 
2012-08-04 05:56:28 PM  

Graffito: His original proposal call for the tax on fracking to go to tax relief for Ohioans so I don't see what the Tea party is complaining about.


Baggers have been programmed to worship corporate greed and hate themselves and their fellow little-people. They've turned being factually incorrect into a state religion.
 
2012-08-04 05:58:44 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Has there ever in history been a group of people so united in the depth of their stupidity? Has there ever been a group of people so happy to be slaves and cheer on the ones holding the whip?


Democratic voters in Detroit. Next question...
 
2012-08-04 06:04:01 PM  

Vodka Zombie: At no point was the Tea Party ever about taxes or tax relief for citizens.


I wonder what they really do want.

*rubbing chin*
 
2012-08-04 06:05:00 PM  

Gulper Eel: Snatch Bandergrip: Has there ever in history been a group of people so united in the depth of their stupidity? Has there ever been a group of people so happy to be slaves and cheer on the ones holding the whip?

Democratic voters in Detroit. Next question...


Voting Democrat in Detroit is the LEAST of Detroit's issues.

Pittsburgh was able to turn itself around after the steel industry bailed for Asia and is now a center for the health care and technology industries. And it's as much of a Democratic City as Detroit and Philly.

It's much more complicated than blaming Democrats and insisting that if Detroit voted Republican, they would all be better off.
 
2012-08-04 06:10:20 PM  
"Why are you cheering booing? You're not rich."

"True, but someday I might be rich. And then people like me better watch their step!"
 
2012-08-04 06:11:17 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Gulper Eel: Snatch Bandergrip: Has there ever in history been a group of people so united in the depth of their stupidity? Has there ever been a group of people so happy to be slaves and cheer on the ones holding the whip?

Democratic voters in Detroit. Next question...

Voting Democrat in Detroit is the LEAST of Detroit's issues.

Pittsburgh was able to turn itself around after the steel industry bailed for Asia and is now a center for the health care and technology industries. And it's as much of a Democratic City as Detroit and Philly.

It's much more complicated than blaming Democrats and insisting that if Detroit voted Republican, they would all be better off.


"Dems duh next question" is a bagger-response.
 
2012-08-04 06:11:49 PM  

St_Francis_P: eraser8: St_Francis_P: The cognitive dissonance is breathtaking.

Don't you meant the lack of cognitive dissonance is breathtaking?

I hope so...because the statement doesn't seem to betray even the slightest whiff of cognitive dissonance.

I guess you're joking/trolling? An "independent" organization that happens to be heavily funded by various ultra-partisan national political action groups?


We figured this out last week. "cognitive dissonance" requires someone to feel pain/emotion when confronted with evidence that goes against previously held beliefs. Tea baggers have no conscience, so they can't experience cognitive dissonance.

It just regular old willful ignorance with a side of sociopathy.
 
2012-08-04 06:12:19 PM  
What the hell, Kasich proposing something I can at least vaguely agree with? Is it opposite day?
 
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