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2012-08-04 08:41:02 PM  

Wyalt Derp: cchris_39: The "consent" argument doesn't make sense. Just change the consent laws! Animals, kids, poly, whatever can now contract for marriage.

Moo means no.


Except when it means Moo oo oo re!
 
2012-08-04 08:53:01 PM  

Mugato: More_Like_A_Stain: Today, high school students are constantly reminded that they are too young and inexperienced to make any decisions of any importance. So they go off to college, where their selection of available options is not only larger but also from less similar backgrounds. Then they graduate and take a job seven states away, exposing themselves to an entirely new set of cultural backgrounds, influences, and temptations. It's almost too many choices and too many opportunities to second guess those choices after the fact.

I keep waiting for the punchline there. So being exposed to multiple choices in a mate is a bad thing?


Not so much a bad thing. There's just less commitment given to those choices than a couple of generations back. Ever go to pick out a paint color? Which is easier? Choosing between yellow, blue, or white, or finding the right shade from 22 different yellows, blues, or whites? And once you've made your choice, do you continue going to paint stores? Or do you settle in to whatever choice you've made and get on with the happy? Multiple choices is not a bad thing. But we, as a society, are not very good at recognizing the weight of some of those choices any more. And so we make them lightly.If you make a good choice, great. If you make a bad choice, so what. Make another one. In the specific case of marriage, we make them too lightly on the way in as well as on the way out.
 
2012-08-04 08:56:50 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Not so much a bad thing. There's just less commitment given to those choices than a couple of generations back. Ever go to pick out a paint color? Which is easier? Choosing between yellow, blue, or white, or finding the right shade from 22 different yellows, blues, or whites? And once you've made your choice, do you continue going to paint stores? Or do you settle in to whatever choice you've made and get on with the happy? Multiple choices is not a bad thing. But we, as a society, are not very good at recognizing the weight of some of those choices any more. And so we make them lightly.If you make a good choice, great. If you make a bad choice, so what. Make another one. In the specific case of marriage, we make them too lightly on the way in as well as on the way out.


So....things aren't the same now as when you were a kid back in the 30's, therefore get off your lawn?
 
2012-08-04 08:59:09 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Not so much a bad thing. There's just less commitment given to those choices than a couple of generations back. Ever go to pick out a paint color? Which is easier? Choosing between yellow, blue, or white, or finding the right shade from 22 different yellows, blues, or whites? And once you've made your choice, do you continue going to paint stores? Or do you settle in to whatever choice you've made and get on with the happy? Multiple choices is not a bad thing. But we, as a society, are not very good at recognizing the weight of some of those choices any more. And so we make them lightly.If you make a good choice, great. If you make a bad choice, so what. Make another one. In the specific case of marriage, we make them too lightly on the way in as well as on the way out.



Okay. I just think it's better to go out and meet as many people as you can and choose who to spend your life with based on a more educated guess than just knocking up the girl who happens to have the locker next to yours and spending the rest of your life in quiet desperation but to each their own.
 
2012-08-04 09:03:06 PM  
The left lost me at Bengal tigers.
 
2012-08-04 09:03:35 PM  
yep, polygamy being legalized&institutionalized is down this road. you can do fark and all about it. make dealings with it.
 
2012-08-04 09:07:06 PM  

St_Francis_P: Tea Party Nation's Judson Phillips told members in an email today that their movement cannot avoid the issue of same-sex marriage, as it threatens to destroy the family, replace freedom with anarchy and "turn marriage into a freak show involving 3 men, 5 women, 2 dogs and a Bengal tiger."

He says all that like it's a bad thing.


Done in one.
 
2012-08-04 09:07:43 PM  
"to allow anyone and anything to get married"

gay people = things?
 
2012-08-04 09:11:27 PM  
violetvolume: "to allow anyone and anything to get married"

gay people = things?


to the social right they are subhuman; they are the others.
 
2012-08-04 09:14:05 PM  

Ned Stark: yep, polygamy being legalized&institutionalized is down this road. you can do fark and all about it. make dealings with it.


I wonder if the Mormons will spend as much money in support of legalizing bigamy as they did on the California anti-gay marriage initiative. . .

/Actually, I'm not gonna speculate about that, because I don't think the slope is all that slippery.
 
2012-08-04 09:20:54 PM  

violetvolume: "to allow anyone and anything to get married"

gay people = things?


Extreme Christian culture has a long and storied history of considering the "other" to be sub-human. From pagans to Muslims to the gays and everyone in between.
 
2012-08-04 09:21:12 PM  
turn marriage into a freak show involving 3 men, 5 women, 2 dogs and a Bengal tiger

EWWWWWWWWW, gross!
 
2012-08-04 09:34:00 PM  
Disgusting.

God intended marriage to be between 2 men, 6 women, 3 dogs and a Siberian tiger. Anything else is an abomination.
 
2012-08-04 09:38:02 PM  
There's a black bear at our local museum that I've had my eye on
 
2012-08-04 09:38:05 PM  

dookdookdook: More_Like_A_Stain: Not so much a bad thing. There's just less commitment given to those choices than a couple of generations back. Ever go to pick out a paint color? Which is easier? Choosing between yellow, blue, or white, or finding the right shade from 22 different yellows, blues, or whites? And once you've made your choice, do you continue going to paint stores? Or do you settle in to whatever choice you've made and get on with the happy? Multiple choices is not a bad thing. But we, as a society, are not very good at recognizing the weight of some of those choices any more. And so we make them lightly.If you make a good choice, great. If you make a bad choice, so what. Make another one. In the specific case of marriage, we make them too lightly on the way in as well as on the way out.

So....things aren't the same now as when you were a kid back in the 30's, therefore get off your lawn?


I wasn't a kid back in the 30's. My grandparents were.

Mugato: Okay. I just think it's better to go out and meet as many people as you can and choose who to spend your life with based on a more educated guess than just knocking up the girl who happens to have the locker next to yours and spending the rest of your life in quiet desperation but to each their own.


I guess it's not so much the number of choices, but rather the "educated guess" that I have issue with. My parents and my grandparents made what they felt were the best choices from the available options, and got about the work of making sure those choices worked. There was no reason to hold out for better options, nor was there any reason to continue looking for other options. They knew that there were no perfect options, so pick the most compatible, and then work to smooth out the rough edges. Of course, they grew up in an era when they weren't bombarded since childhood with images of what "the perfect life with the perfect mate" should look like. They knew that life had edges that were sharp and unpleasant. I can't say that there was ever any "quiet desperation". That's not to say that there was never any struggle, because there was. But that struggle was always met as a joint effort. In both my parents and grandparents cases, each couple met every challenge as a unified being. And yes, I know that my experience is not nearly as typical as it should be. And for that, I am both grateful and sad.
 
2012-08-04 10:03:20 PM  

washington: There's a black bear at our local museum that I've had my eye on


static.flickr.com
 
2012-08-04 10:16:19 PM  

hubiestubert: 09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.


SSSHHHHHH! Don't give the wingnuts any ideas!
 
2012-08-04 10:45:06 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: hubiestubert: 09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

SSSHHHHHH! Don't give the wingnuts any ideas!


www2.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2012-08-04 10:51:32 PM  

Happy Hours: I don't even understand the objection to polygamy As long as everyone is of age and capable of consenting


Ehh, the problem with polygamy is that it would be great if there was an equal number of women that had multiple husbands as men that have multiple wives, but in reality, that never, ever, ever happens. That leaves frustrated young men, which is never good for society.

Plus, historically, it does lead to coercion and incest (if you don't marry X and be his 8th wife, you are out of the commune and a disgrace!).
 
2012-08-04 10:53:31 PM  

namatad: PC LOAD LETTER: Polygamy is still separately illegal and has mainly Mormon right-wingers (and few hippie commune crappers) pushing to get it legalized. Meanwhile, the dogs and Bengal tiger can't consent. False slippery slope is false.

But it is legal for muslims to marry multiple women, right? Freedom of religion bans the US from prohibiting most, if not all religious rights. How would a US ban on multiple muslim wives NOT be unconstitutional???

LOL
Would be funny if muslims led the way to fix the retarded marriage crap in the US.

1) no deductions for children
2) no extra tax benefits for being married


/LOL


No, it is not. The Mormons already tried that, and the supreme court ruled that you are free to practice any religion you want, as long as practicing doesn't break any existing laws.
 
2012-08-04 10:55:21 PM  
The polygamy people:

The only issue I see is that it makes things very complex for medical care without an advanced medical directive, it makes things very complex for taxes, it makes things very complex for end-of-life care and finances.

There really isn't anything in it that would damage those not involved in the relationship (which I think really should be the gold standard: They're doing what they want without hurting anyone else, therefore it should be allowed)... but we really would need a framework set up first that deals with all the medical, financial, and legal issues.
 
2012-08-04 11:11:38 PM  
All this talk about alternative lifestyles reeks of jealousy. Think about it: you're told your entire life that life was a certain way, so you go about business thinking that this is the only way to live. Then you get far enough out and settled and find out that you could have had a different sort of life, full of rich variety. And that your parents/elders/neighbors really are sheltered individuals.

The anger from that sort of betrayal (even if it isn't really a betrayal, just listening to the close-mindedness of other people) is what really fuels this outrage. People are realizing that life isn't the American Dream and can be a very rich and varied experience if you open yourself to it. The damn shame is that people are so focused on seeing momentary directionlessness as a flaw instead of a temporary device that all human beings fall prey to. This is why the American Dream is such bullshiat: it assumes that human beings have a degree of control over ourselves that is incredibly unrealistic. It is a nice dream....but that dream does not translate to reality for shiat, and treasures quick 'decisive' action over contemplation and being honest with your needs and wants.

Bizarrely enough, you can see where people angry at being fooled (or rather, not being able to know what they want out of life) try to use this as a battering ram against people who do know what they want out of life. Look at all this 'family' bullshiat treasured by Republicans that, in reality, is just a front for not being honest with yourself. Look at the wide-stancing guy and his ilk: they need that illusion because they are ashamed of themselves and their dishonesty on how they want to live their lives. It explains a lot of their anger. If I lived in a nation that boasted ultimate freedom over every aspect of my life and felt forced to fall into conformity, I would express my repression through anger as well. And that's all the Republicans really are: screaming about being fooled but unable to break that status quo.
 
2012-08-04 11:19:28 PM  

machoprogrammer: Happy Hours: I don't even understand the objection to polygamy As long as everyone is of age and capable of consenting

Ehh, the problem with polygamy is that it would be great if there was an equal number of women that had multiple husbands as men that have multiple wives, but in reality, that never, ever, ever happens. That leaves frustrated young men, which is never good for society.

Plus, historically, it does lead to coercion and incest (if you don't marry X and be his 8th wife, you are out of the commune and a disgrace!).


Exactly.

www.collectiveeye.org

Link
 
2012-08-04 11:49:28 PM  
Taxed Enough Already.

It's all about fiscal responsibility and limited government.
 
2012-08-05 12:06:30 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Taxed Enough Already.

It's all about fiscal responsibility and limited government.


That's why they're for wasting taxpayer money on drug tests for welfare recipients and voter ID laws.
 
2012-08-05 12:24:13 AM  

machoprogrammer: Happy Hours: I don't even understand the objection to polygamy As long as everyone is of age and capable of consenting

Ehh, the problem with polygamy is that it would be great if there was an equal number of women that had multiple husbands as men that have multiple wives, but in reality, that never, ever, ever happens. That leaves frustrated young men, which is never good for society.

Plus, historically, it does lead to coercion and incest (if you don't marry X and be his 8th wife, you are out of the commune and a disgrace!).

While this is true as far as it goes, I feel that it's worth noting that 1)those societies don't actually allow the option of multiple husbands, or group marriages; the 3 men 5 women wouldn't fly., and 2) There's a whole lot of dysfunctional bullshiat relating to coercive marriages, incest, child abuse etc in pretty much all isolated fundamentalist religious communities, whether they practice polygyny or not.
 
2012-08-05 01:06:05 AM  

namatad: bibli0phile: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 373x373]

great great grand Parley Pratt - 12 wives

Great grand Helaman Pratt - 8 wives

GrandMother anna amelia pratt romney

Father George W Romney

so this was fun and almost made my brain bleed


I'm sure it's been done already, but just in case:

i28.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-05 01:27:02 AM  
But I was assured that the Tea Party wasn't about left/right/Democratic/Republican and wasn't about social issues. That it was purely about taxes.
 
2012-08-05 01:38:13 AM  

GhostFish: Still waiting for an explanation on how marriage will be harmed, and demonstrations of that harm appearing in states and countries that allow same-sex marriage.

I won't hold my breath.


It makes the almighty God grumpy, and he will destroy the wooorrrld!

It's quite hilarious that teabaggers and anti-gays constantly ignore Canada and the many European countries where gay marriage is legal and nothing has happened to them. Of course, these are the same retards who proclaim that every natural and manmade disaster that happens around the world happens because God is punishing America for allowing the homogay. It's like these people think America is the only country on the planet.
 
2012-08-05 01:39:00 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Taxed Enough Already.

It's all about fiscal responsibility and limited government.


i112.photobucket.com

If the teabaggers are "about fiscal responsibility and limited government", then where were they when george w. bush was beating the war drums and the neocon artists were pushing the "Patriot" Act?
 
2012-08-05 01:40:26 AM  

Notabunny: BitwiseShift: I've been expecting this. That's why I began stocking up on pet food, paper towels, show tunes, and name tags two years ago.

[img.photobucket.com image 500x670]


Damnit Japan,
I'd suggest nuking them again, but that only seemed to make 'em worse.
 
2012-08-05 01:44:01 AM  

cchris_39: PC LOAD LETTER: Polygamy is still separately illegal and has mainly Mormon right-wingers (and few hippie commune crappers) pushing to get it legalized. Meanwhile, the dogs and Bengal tiger can't consent. False slippery slope is false.

The "consent" argument doesn't make sense. Just change the consent laws! Animals, kids, poly, whatever can now contract for marriage.

You're basically aruguing that the law should be changed only to the extent that happens to suit you.


Hey, if you want pedophilia and bestiality that badly, knock yourself out. Thos eof us who are not stupid will continue to support those who are of legal age and can give consent.

As for poly, as has been stated here and elsewhere, the main problem is the legal nightmare surrounding multiple spouses.

/as well as the fact many cult leaders have been polygamous
//also, no matter how hard it's tried to be avoided, preferences and biases will develop, which can lead to feelings of jealousy and inadequacy, which can spiral into messy things
 
2012-08-05 01:59:03 AM  

Karma Chameleon: Far Left in America = Just slightly right of center.


I was going to put the matching image here, but for some reason, I can't find the bloody thing.
 
2012-08-05 02:07:13 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Karma Chameleon: Far Left in America = Just slightly right of center.

I was going to put the matching image here, but for some reason, I can't find the bloody thing.


America? It's just between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. You can't miss it, really.
 
2012-08-05 02:09:00 AM  
I have difficulty wrapping my mind around the fact that people believe in things like the statements in that article.

But, a funny thing. To the Left, the gay marriage issue has always only been about homosexuals. Yet to the Right, it's about bestiality, polygamy, pedophilia and whatever else they want it to be. The Right is the only side that thinks about those things in relation to gay marriage. Hmmm.
 
2012-08-05 02:20:22 AM  
Also, what is with the constant use of the word "freedom?" The only ones trying to restrict someone's freedom to act as they choose are them. The best they can come up with to accuse liberals of being against freedom is some rambling conspiracy theory about how letting gays marry is really step one in turning America into an anarcho-communist syndicate or some bullshiat.
 
2012-08-05 02:21:38 AM  

Jormungandr: Notabunny: BitwiseShift: I've been expecting this. That's why I began stocking up on pet food, paper towels, show tunes, and name tags two years ago.

[img.photobucket.com image 500x670]

Damnit Japan,
I'd suggest nuking them again, but that only seemed to make 'em worse.


Yamada! Yamada! (nsfw, lunch, sleep)
 
2012-08-05 02:22:51 AM  

cc_rider: I'm sure it's been done already, but just in case:


Oh.My Gawds. That is so awesome. thanks
 
2012-08-05 02:24:03 AM  
Disgusting. Why would you need two dogs when one would be enough?
 
2012-08-05 02:42:41 AM  

jeaux65: Disgusting. Why would you need two dogs when one would be enough?


One is the loneliest number. Two can be as bad as one, but the loneliest number is the number one. Now three dogs, that's a good time. Especially at night.
 
2012-08-05 02:56:46 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Fluorescent Testicle: Karma Chameleon: Far Left in America = Just slightly right of center.

I was going to put the matching image here, but for some reason, I can't find the bloody thing.

America? It's just between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. You can't miss it, really.


Wait, where the hell did India go?
 
2012-08-05 03:08:19 AM  

Need_MindBleach: Also, what is with the constant use of the word "freedom?" The only ones trying to restrict someone's freedom to act as they choose are them. The best they can come up with to accuse liberals of being against freedom is some rambling conspiracy theory about how letting gays marry is really step one in turning America into an anarcho-communist syndicate or some bullshiat.


Publicans to Democrats: "Freedom? That is a worship word. You will not speak it."
Democrats to Publicans: "Freedom? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
 
2012-08-05 04:21:30 AM  
if people wanna marry whatever, why stop em. government could use the revenue right about now.

also speaking on freak show, could you imagine either of these guys in a dress.

politics.x90x.net

/ image pops to host.
 
2012-08-05 05:23:39 AM  

Lansydyr: SkinnyHead: "The State's interests in support of marriage would be undermined if marriage were so malleable in meaning as to include any consensual relationship claimed to be 'exclusive and permanent.' ... Marriage redefined to mean any 'permanent' intimate personal relationship between two consenting persons has no firmer basis than a similar relationship between three or more persons, which has been long rejected." ~ Washington Supreme Court, Andersen v. King County 138 P.3d 963 (2006)

When summarizing, Justice Brown declared, "We consider the underlying fallacy of the plaintiff's argument to consist in the assumption that the enforced separation of the two races stamps the colored race with a badge of inferiority. If this be so, it is not by reason of anything found in the act, but solely because the colored race chooses to put that construction upon it." [Plessy vs. Ferguson]

Looks, I can find crappy court decisions also!!


Here's a real gem:

"...we are satisfied, upon a careful examination of all the cases decided in the State courts of Missouri referred to, that it is now firmly settled by the decisions of the highest court in the State, that Scott and his family upon their return were not free, but were, by the laws of Missouri, the property of the defendant; and that the Circuit Court of the United States had no jurisdiction, when, by the laws of the State, the plaintiff was a slave, and not a citizen." ~Chief Justice Roger Taney, Dred Scott v. Sandford
 
2012-08-05 06:04:44 AM  
FTFA: "The traditional family, and the left hates that expression, is the most stable unit in America."

From reality: "The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology..." (Link)

I'm not sure if its the author or if it's me who's confused about the meaning of the word stable, but one of us definitely has it wrong.
 
2012-08-05 06:17:35 AM  
bibli0phile:


I'm no fan of Romney's, but I couldn't care less if his great-great-great grandfather had 12 wives and I don't see what it has to do with anything. What ever happened to the idea that the son is not guilty of the crimes of his father? I can't see how Romney's responsible for something that happened before he was ever born.

My great-great-great-great-great grandfather was a slave owner. I abhor the idea of slavery, but I don't feel in any way responsible for my greatx5 grandfather's participation in it and I'm certainly not to blame for it.
 
2012-08-05 06:52:43 AM  

geek_mars: FTFA: "The traditional family, and the left hates that expression, is the most stable unit in America."

From reality: "The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology..." (Link)

I'm not sure if its the author or if it's me who's confused about the meaning of the word stable, but one of us definitely has it wrong.


It's only stable if divorce is banned, as the wingnuts want. All in the name of freedom of course.
 
2012-08-05 07:14:40 AM  
Lee Jackson Beauregard
It's only stable if divorce is banned, as the wingnuts want. All in the name of freedom of course.


If this is standard Republican policy then I really can't see how many of these politicians can keep a straight face. I know of no Right-Winger/Family-values-Proclaimer who wants divorced banned. Too many of them go through wives (and husbands) just for the heck of it.

Donald Trump: "One of the reasons I was divorced is because I worked very hard. And, you know, that's a good reason. But I worked very, very hard building up a great company."
 
2012-08-05 07:51:40 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Taxed Enough Already.

It's all about fiscal responsibility and limited government.


i18.photobucket.com

"Mnom yho ranghe cho, Mnom yho ranghe cho, Mnom yho ranghe cho, Mnom yho ranghe cho, Mnom yho ranghe cho, Mnom yho ranghe cho, Mnom yho ranghe cho, Mnom yho ranghe cho, Mnom yho ranghe cho"
 
2012-08-05 07:51:57 AM  
Like we haven't been hearing that smug, sneering argument for the past decade. "If you let the homos get married next it will be legal when Hillary Clinton comes to your house and cold ass-rapes your German Shepherd!"
 
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