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(Reuters)   Forbes ranks Princeton, Yale and University of Chicago as top US colleges, proving once again the inverse correlation between the list and how good the school's football team is   (reuters.com) divider line 37
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2012-08-04 12:29:20 PM  
Probably because they focus on academic excellence rather than pointless sporting events...

I love sports as much as the next guy, but c'moooon, subby.
 
2012-08-04 12:32:30 PM  
I went to DeVry on a football scholarship....
 
2012-08-04 12:34:39 PM  
Why they just couldn't post a list
 
2012-08-04 12:36:39 PM  
Sometimes I feel these lists purposely leave Harvard out of the top spots because they're trying to make a statement. I like how Chicago gets props though.
 
2012-08-04 12:37:06 PM  
University of Chicago voluntarily gave up football in 1939 to save it from the corruption it was causing. Penn State could learn something from it.
 
2012-08-04 12:39:13 PM  

LarryDan43: University of Chicago voluntarily gave up football in 1939 to save it from the corruption it was causing. Penn State could learn something from it.



I dunno, if you don't have an institutionalized rape program is it really college?
 
2012-08-04 12:40:09 PM  

unlikely: Penn State could learn something from it.


Penn State could learn something from University of Colorado... as long as you rape GIRLS it's ok. It's when you start raping young BOYS you have a problem.
 
2012-08-04 12:42:35 PM  
Stanford has had some very good teams.
 
2012-08-04 12:43:07 PM  

unlikely: unlikely: Penn State could learn something from it.

Penn State could learn something from University of Colorado... as long as you rape GIRLS it's ok. It's when you start raping young BOYS you have a problem.


That's every college fraternity. Its also okay to rape boys during rush.
 
2012-08-04 12:44:03 PM  
woo UofC!
 
2012-08-04 12:47:49 PM  

LarryDan43: University of Chicago voluntarily gave up football in 1939 to save it from the corruption it was causing. Penn State could learn something from it.


I'm kinda glad someone pointed that out. That program closed when the going was good.
 
2012-08-04 12:48:34 PM  

unlikely: unlikely: Penn State could learn something from it.

Penn State could learn something from University of Colorado... as long as you rape GIRLS it's ok. It's when you start raping young BOYS you have a problem.


The dead girl/live boy argument. Personally, I'm a man of compromise, and I plan on being caught with a hermaphrodite in a permanent vegetative state.
 
2012-08-04 01:18:47 PM  
FYI, Forbes ranked Florida (#80) and BYU (#93) above UT-Austin (#104). FYI, that's lower than what UT-Austin gets in most GLOBAL rankings.

So. . . yeah.

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/
 
2012-08-04 01:20:32 PM  

rocky_howard: Probably because they focus on academic excellence rather than pointless sporting events...


Actually, Stanford (which Forbes ranks as #3) does well in academics AND "pointless sporting events."

In fact, Stanford has won the NACDA Director's Cup (awarded to the best collegiate athletics program) every year since 1995. The #2 spot has rotated among Texas, UCLA, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio State and Michigan.
 
2012-08-04 01:21:21 PM  
Harvard is kind of obnoxious but definitely one of the very best schools. Harvard Business is kind of a joke, but it's the kind that will set you up for life, so you won't care. (Wharton is much the same.) Caltech and MIT are the schools whose students actually impressed me the most, back in the day. Stanford, too.

Yale will get you connected, for sure, but it's wildly overrated as an actual school. Good, but not top-five kind of good. And few places on this planet are as annoying.

/mileage varies
 
2012-08-04 01:29:38 PM  

RandomAxe:

Yale will get you connected, for sure, but it's wildly overrated as an actual school. Good, but not top-five kind of good. And few places on this planet are as annoying.


I'd like to know what you're basing this assessment on.
 
2012-08-04 01:31:42 PM  

unlikely: unlikely: Penn State could learn something from it.

Penn State could learn something from University of Colorado... as long as you rape GIRLS it's ok. It's when you start raping young BOYS you have a problem.


Right. Also see Roman Polanski.
 
2012-08-04 01:34:56 PM  

LarryDan43: University of Chicago voluntarily gave up football in 1939 to save it from the corruption it was causing. Penn State could learn something from it.


I thought Robert Hutchins just regarded it as "irrelevant" to the aims of the university.

Besides, they needed the space for the first man-made nuclear chain reaction.

They didn't really drop football, they just had a thirty-year hiatus. They now compete in Div III with Student-Athletes, not the other way 'round.
 
2012-08-04 02:12:15 PM  
Don't know subby, by that standard Cornell U. should be #1. I don't think they every won at anything except hockey while I was there.
 
2012-08-04 02:19:19 PM  
U of Chi = Nitti Lions?
 
2012-08-04 02:35:58 PM  

dragonchild: FYI, Forbes ranked Florida (#80) and BYU (#93) above UT-Austin (#104). FYI, that's lower than what UT-Austin gets in most GLOBAL rankings.

So. . . yeah.

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/


Thats really nitpicking. Although any school that far down the list doesn't really matter anyway.
 
2012-08-04 03:05:25 PM  
#587 for me. Yaaaaaaaay!

...three places below Liberty University. Yaaay?
 
2012-08-04 03:35:46 PM  

Jjaro: Although any school that far down the list doesn't really matter anyway.


That's my point; WTF is UT-Austin doing down there?
 
2012-08-04 03:39:56 PM  

dragonchild: Jjaro: Although any school that far down the list doesn't really matter anyway.

That's my point; WTF is UT-Austin doing down there?


Probably because they're going for accuracy.
 
2012-08-04 04:09:58 PM  
201.

I demand a recount to 199!
 
2012-08-04 05:23:32 PM  

natazha: Don't know subby, by that standard Cornell U. should be #1. I don't think they every won at anything except hockey while I was there.


I don't think Cal Tech has won a single game of anything since its inception.

/#23
//All those fake scores and we still can't make the top 10
 
2012-08-04 05:56:11 PM  

LarryDan43: University of Chicago voluntarily gave up football in 1939


At least they found a good use for the facilities. The world's first controlled nuclear fission reaction occurred under the Stagg Field bleachers.

www.sportsbabel.net
 
2012-08-04 06:22:06 PM  
It's almost as if two types of people go to there, and the presence of one is inversely correlated to the other...
 
2012-08-04 06:39:06 PM  
What a shock: they redid the formula to mix up the top 10 for the umpteenth year in a row
 
2012-08-04 09:53:21 PM  
Interesting stuff. The catch is that these are the best schools on average if you absolutely, positively, have no farking idea what you want to do with your life.

#2 is the giveaway. A 2,000-student private liberal-arts school? Known, academically, for... oh, gee, the Forbes summary doesn't say. I know, I'll just look at the school's home page, surely that'll give some indication of what it's known for academically, right? Oh, hell, no. But hey, according to the survey's methodology, its graduates are very successful, and don't have too much debt, and so on and so forth.

If you actually have some idea of what you want to do with your life, those rankings are going to change. Not all of them, mind you - you can expect Princeton, Stanford, Chicago, Yale and Harvard to be near the top no matter what. But unless you're trying to get a job through some old-boy network, a pricey private liberal-arts school (about 1/3 of the top 20 on the list, and an increasing percentage as I dig deeper) is probably going to have a smaller program in most fields than a top public university (only 6 of the top 50 on the list), and not give you a better education for the extra money.

Take, for example, UC-Berkeley. Forbes ranks it 50th in the US. The Times (of London) Higher Education Supplement ranks it 10th - in the world. For physical science, 3rd - in the world. Pretty much any ranking within a major is going to rank it top 10, if not top 5. It's got 52 graduate programs, for four of which it isn't top-10 in the US (if not the world). It might even have a football team. But Forbes has its own methodologies... ;)

/Biased by being research staff in a physical science at Berkeley.
//Working my way up the list. Now at #50, formerly at #435, and studied briefly at #505.
///Should really be keeping my eyes open for jobs at Princeton.
 
2012-08-04 10:35:31 PM  
Interestingly enough several years ago the military academies were the top favorites according to a survey of corporate executives. Why? No debt for graduates and they actually teach how to lead, set goals and plans to meet those goals.

/DNRTFA, the "best college" is the one that will find the money to fund your schooling
 
2012-08-05 12:27:37 AM  

dbirchall: Interesting stuff. The catch is that these are the best schools on average if you absolutely, positively, have no farking idea what you want to do with your life.

#2 is the giveaway. A 2,000-student private liberal-arts school? Known, academically, for... oh, gee, the Forbes summary doesn't say. I know, I'll just look at the school's home page, surely that'll give some indication of what it's known for academically, right? Oh, hell, no. But hey, according to the survey's methodology, its graduates are very successful, and don't have too much debt, and so on and so forth.

If you actually have some idea of what you want to do with your life, those rankings are going to change. Not all of them, mind you - you can expect Princeton, Stanford, Chicago, Yale and Harvard to be near the top no matter what. But unless you're trying to get a job through some old-boy network, a pricey private liberal-arts school (about 1/3 of the top 20 on the list, and an increasing percentage as I dig deeper) is probably going to have a smaller program in most fields than a top public university (only 6 of the top 50 on the list), and not give you a better education for the extra money.

Take, for example, UC-Berkeley. Forbes ranks it 50th in the US. The Times (of London) Higher Education Supplement ranks it 10th - in the world. For physical science, 3rd - in the world. Pretty much any ranking within a major is going to rank it top 10, if not top 5. It's got 52 graduate programs, for four of which it isn't top-10 in the US (if not the world). It might even have a football team. But Forbes has its own methodologies... ;)

/Biased by being research staff in a physical science at Berkeley.
//Working my way up the list. Now at #50, formerly at #435, and studied briefly at #505.
///Should really be keeping my eyes open for jobs at Princeton.


I might be biased as well, but UC Berkeley is consistently ranked top-ten in global rankings, although I could see it slipping due to funding issues and the such. The Forbes rankings are known to be a joke as they tend to favor liberal arts colleges and military academies. Those aren't really fair comparisons, like apples to oranges in some respects actually.
 
2012-08-05 03:45:09 AM  
We're 365! We're 365!
Go Vols!
/*facepalm*
 
2012-08-05 06:24:09 AM  
Hey- we were the best public school, and we went 8-5. Couldda been worse, hmm?
 
2012-08-05 08:13:00 AM  

Wyckyd Sceptre: RandomAxe:

Yale will get you connected, for sure, but it's wildly overrated as an actual school. Good, but not top-five kind of good. And few places on this planet are as annoying.

I'd like to know what you're basing this assessment on.


George W Bush and John Kerry. Yale grads and nobody would ever refer to them as geniuses.

It was funny watching the Havard Business profs all but say the school was a sham as their excuse for him.
 
2012-08-05 01:07:49 PM  

dragonchild: Jjaro: Although any school that far down the list doesn't really matter anyway.

That's my point; WTF is UT-Austin doing down there?


Being irrelevant, I guess.

/trollololol
 
2012-08-06 02:37:23 PM  
I guess subby didn't attend any of the top 5 listed (or middle school english/reading, or click the link referenced in the article, or read the byline), as the top 3 were Princeton, Williams College, and Stanford, not Princeton, Yale, and U of Chi.
 
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