JuggleGeek: Martin tried to avoid this fight.

You say that like Martin ran down a dead end alley and had no choice but to turn and fight. What he did was run around the corner of a building and then had a straight shot to his home, no more than 50 yards away. Instead of continuing home, he chose to be a bad ass by confronting and attacking a stranger.

How did that work out?

martid4: I'll donate them a pistol if they promise to shoot themselves.

Really? REALLY? What did Zimmerman's parents do wrong? They were harassed and threatened because a liberal media prosecuted their son and idiots like you believed their BS. Swallow that bullet yourself...

Mrtraveler01: Griswold: a liberal media prosecuted their son and idiots like you believed their BS.

Yes it was the liberal media's fault. It wasn't the fact that you know...he actually shot someone who had him on the ground, beating his head against the pavement, battering his face, smothering him and telling him to "SHUT UP" as he screamed for help.


Zimmerman should be treated like a hero instead amiright?


No, he was an overzealous idiot who went too far in trying - in cooperation with the police - to protect his neighbors, and was pounced on by someone who was OFFENDED that Dimmerman should view him with an eye of suspicion, and decided to teach him a lesson by beating the living shiat out of him.

Of course had Dimmerman been unarmed, he may still be in the hospital (or in the grave), while the infant Trayvon would either be on the loose, or locked up facing felony assault (if not murder) charges.

And you would never have heard of either Trayvon or Dimmerman, because shiat like is NOT news, because it happens every day.

Mrtraveler01: Griswold: a liberal media prosecuted their son and idiots like you believed their BS.

Yes it was the liberal media's fault. It wasn't the fact that you know...he actually shot someone.

Zimmerman should be treated like a hero instead amiright?

martid4: Griswold: martid4: I'll donate them a pistol if they promise to shoot themselves.

Really? REALLY? What did Zimmerman's parents do wrong? They were harassed and threatened because a liberal media prosecuted their son and idiots like you believed their BS. Swallow that bullet yourself...

So this entitles them to a free ride, right? Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot!



Yeah, WTF! Zimmerman's PARENTS did nothing wrong.AND, If you don't admit that the media has already prosecuted and convicted Zimmerman...I see I'm wasting my time.

Griswold: Mrtraveler01: Griswold: a liberal media prosecuted their son and idiots like you believed their BS.

Yes it was the liberal media's fault. It wasn't the fact that you know...he actually shot someone.

Zimmerman should be treated like a hero instead amiright?

martid4: Griswold: martid4: I'll donate them a pistol if they promise to shoot themselves.

Really? REALLY? What did Zimmerman's parents do wrong? They were harassed and threatened because a liberal media prosecuted their son and idiots like you believed their BS. Swallow that bullet yourself...

So this entitles them to a free ride, right? Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot!



Yeah, WTF! Zimmerman's PARENTS did nothing wrong.AND, If you don't admit that the media has already prosecuted and convicted Zimmerman...I see I'm wasting my time.


That's why God created Fark.

Just sent em fifty bucks. They'll make a killing off this. This is just round one, hopefully this will keep them floating until the lawsuits which will come next.

ChuDogg: Just sent em fifty bucks. They'll make a killing off this. This is just round one, hopefully this will keep them floating until the lawsuits which will come next.

Tatterdemalian: missiv: Do you know how to not piss off the court, it's pretty easy?

Sure it is! All it requires is the psychic ability to read the minds of complete strangers, and know before you even open your mouth exactly what will make them pissed off and what won't.

/if we lived in a Scott Pilgrim comic, we could hire psychic superheroes to do it for us if our own powers were lacking
//but we don't

Zimmerman used the most basic route, he lied and he was caught in the lie. When he was given a chance to explain just why he lied, he chose to not testify unless the judge gave him special considerations like no cross examination. He refused to explain. I noticed his lawyer brought up the fact that Mr. Zimmerman wasn't allowed to explain himself because of the court's bias.

missiv: Tatterdemalian: missiv: Do you know how to not piss off the court, it's pretty easy?

Sure it is! All it requires is the psychic ability to read the minds of complete strangers, and know before you even open your mouth exactly what will make them pissed off and what won't.

/if we lived in a Scott Pilgrim comic, we could hire psychic superheroes to do it for us if our own powers were lacking
//but we don't

Zimmerman used the most basic route, he lied and he was caught in the lie. When he was given a chance to explain just why he lied, he chose to not testify unless the judge gave him special considerations like no cross examination. He refused to explain. I noticed his lawyer brought up the fact that Mr. Zimmerman wasn't allowed to explain himself because of the court's bias.


Sometimes the smartest thing to say is

Amos Quito: Avery614: I'd even go so far to say not putting him on trial is an injustice to the man he killed.(they were both "Standing Their Ground")


Well, not exactly.

Dimmerman (as I shall now call him) was knocked to and then pinned against the ground, even as Martin was slamming his head into same.

I get what you're saying, I can just see it from TM's point of view. I can't say I'd have let this asshat follow me to my house without at least finding out what he wanted first. You don't know if he intends to harm your family or some other crazy shiat. Attitudes and pride flared and one of them had a gun, both acted poorly, one will need to answer for it in court. I don't wish his family ill, but you couldn't pay me to give a fark about them, let alone donate.

Avery614: Amos Quito: Avery614: I'd even go so far to say not putting him on trial is an injustice to the man he killed.(they were both "Standing Their Ground")


Well, not exactly.

Dimmerman (as I shall now call him) was knocked to and then pinned against the ground, even as Martin was slamming his head into same.

I get what you're saying, I can just see it from TM's point of view. I can't say I'd have let this asshat follow me to my house without at least finding out what he wanted first. You don't know if he intends to harm your family or some other crazy shiat. Attitudes and pride flared and one of them had a gun, both acted poorly, one will need to answer for it in court. I don't wish his family ill, but you couldn't pay me to give a fark about them, let alone donate.


I agree for the most part. Here's my long winded perspective:

The way I see it, Dimmerman was (over zealously) acting in what he presumed to be in the "best interests" of himself and the community by attempting to thwart crime. He was no doubt emboldened by the fact that he was packing heat, and went too far in his self-appointed duty.

I seriously doubt that Martin was fearful of Dimmerman, who he could easily have outrun. Rather, I suspect that he (correctly) thought that Dim was eyeballing him as a potential criminal, and that idea pissed him off. When he cut between the houses and hid, and saw that Dim continued to look for him, he likely confronted Dim, blew a gasket, and knocked him to the ground. He then proceeded to pummel him for some time, as the accounts of other witnesses confirm in 9-11 calls.

Had Martin known that Dim was packing heat, you can bet that their meeting would have been far more cordial. OTOH, had Dim not been carrying 9mm courage, he likely would have stayed in his truck, waiting for the cops to show, and they never would have met at all, or if he had, he would have suffered a far worse beating from Martin.

As it turned out, Dim did have his "courage", and Martin, an athletic 17-year old high on a cocktail of adrenalin and testosterone was unaware of said "courage", and so both men went too far.

Two guys got stupid, one died, and the others' life is trashed. This kind of thing happens all the time. The only reason it is of any public interest is the racial makeup of the characters involved - specifically the deceased being black, the shooter being "white", AND the fact that the shooter was not initially charged. The media and knee-jerk public immediately jumped on this as a case of a racist KKK redneck out "huntin' kneegrows" for sport, and the racist KKK redneck police department covering up his dirty work. The mere allegation is like tossing an incendiary grenade into a Chinese fireworks factory.

Of course this race-baiting theory is baseless, as we know that Dimmerman was in fact making every effort to bring the police to the scene so that the situation could be handled properly. Farker ChuDogg once posted a link to this page (thanks!) that seems to give a fairly accurate account of the movements of both parties as Dimmerman's 9-11 call was in progress, and it does a fairly good job of illustrating Dimmerman's intent.

Given the evidence I've seen, I think the cops were correct when they initially declined to press charges, and I think the only reason charges were eventually levied was do to the political pressure brought to bear by those who had little interest in the facts, but were hell-bent on making this a racially-charged political circus.

As I said earlier, Dimmerman is guilty of being an overzealous idiot, and his deception at the bond hearing was phenomenally stupid - but one must consider that a "bounty" had literally been put on his head by vindictive vigilantes, and he was (and is) scared shiatless for his life. His lying to the judge was a STOOPID move, but that does not mean that he is guilty of manslaughter, let alone murder.

As for his parents, I don't know what to say, except that their recent publicity stunt and begging for money helps me to understand why George is apparently bereft of common sense.

I submitted this last week with a better headline

Amos Quito: Dimmerman is guilty of being an overzealous idiot

I agree with your summary as likely what happened.

The question is: Does Dimmerman, who's actions directly led to the death of a 17 year old boy walking home from the store (both the chain of events and the firing of the weapon), deserve punishment??

I suspect that the current interpretation of the SYG law actually exonerates him but that doesn't make it right. If he was reckless in a car he'd be charged with vehicular manslaughter. He was certainly reckless with this boy's life.

Farking Canuck: Amos Quito: Dimmerman is guilty of being an overzealous idiot

I agree with your summary as likely what happened.

The question is: Does Dimmerman, who's actions directly led to the death of a 17 year old boy walking home from the store (both the chain of events and the firing of the weapon), deserve punishment??

I suspect that the current interpretation of the SYG law actually exonerates him but that doesn't make it right. If he was reckless in a car he'd be charged with vehicular manslaughter. He was certainly reckless with this boy's life.

I don't think SYG will exonerate him...he'll get manslaughter. If SYG applies to following someone, then it effectively legalizes unobserved murder and will be overturned.

Abox: I don't think SYG will exonerate him...he'll get manslaughter.

Manslaughter isn't on the table, it's either murder 2 or he walks. Only way for a manslaughter conviction is if he accepts a plea deal. Considering that the prosecution has no case, no way he takes a deal.

MmmmBacon: ... and right-wing nutjobs will open their wallets to support these folks, just like they did Zimmerman.

Well look at how they support the Palins.

Amos Quito: agree for the most part. Here's my long winded perspective:

I can definitely agree with all of that, I just think that in the position GZ put himself there is a level of personal responsibility to do things right and get proper training. I've worked in security for the last 8 years and I can tell you that they teach us, because we are non-LEO, that evade or detain are your best options. Detain is only to be used with 2 or more personnel on site at the time. Liability reasons prohibit our personnel at this point from carrying guns, clubs, pepper spray or tazers. I've been at this place for 4 years now, it is a small community of 1500-1800 18-26 year olds and because of the training have never needed or wanted any of those things, that shiat is for the cops. Don't think this place is bubbleville either, we've had everything from stabbings to heroin sales. I just wish there was a way to hold him accountable for putting himself in that position in the first place.

/still wondering why the people who put out the bounty aren't locked up