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(Portland Press Herald)   Local people to crazy boat man: "Finish your damn boat" (w/video)   (pressherald.com) divider line 64
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2012-08-04 01:53:43 AM  
Geez I think this is a followup of my first greenlight from 2004. Text of the original story is long gone but if I remember it correctly he hasn't made much progress in the last 8 years.
 
2012-08-04 07:13:52 AM  
If he starts putting two of every animal on that boat, maybe we should be concerned.
 
2012-08-04 07:23:51 AM  
Shireen Toutant, a Maquoit Drive resident, said she hopes the council won't issue another extension.
"It bothers some of us, not knowing what's back there," Toutant said. "He's a nice neighbor, but at the same time, it's a concern."


It's none of your God-damn business what's back there. And what's to be concerned about? It's on his property.

/farking Gladys Kravitz
//mind your own damn business
 
2012-08-04 07:26:53 AM  

abhorrent1: Shireen Toutant, a Maquoit Drive resident, said she hopes the council won't issue another extension.
"It bothers some of us, not knowing what's back there," Toutant said. "He's a nice neighbor, but at the same time, it's a concern."

It's none of your God-damn business what's back there. And what's to be concerned about? It's on his property.

/farking Gladys Kravitz
//mind your own damn business


Exactly.
 
2012-08-04 07:27:15 AM  

abhorrent1: Shireen Toutant, a Maquoit Drive resident, said she hopes the council won't issue another extension.
"It bothers some of us, not knowing what's back there," Toutant said. "He's a nice neighbor, but at the same time, it's a concern."

It's none of your God-damn business what's back there. And what's to be concerned about? It's on his property.

/farking Gladys Kravitz
//mind your own damn business


Ditto that. Boatbuilder says he has an inventory and knows what junk he has for using later.
 
2012-08-04 07:35:27 AM  
a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net

/Disapproves of the busybodies.
 
2012-08-04 07:42:11 AM  
Fingerwaggers unite!!!!!
 
2012-08-04 07:43:00 AM  
Volunteer to help the guy finish it then and stop biatching.

Depressing lack of community spirit.
 
2012-08-04 07:45:35 AM  

gumpy: Volunteer to help the guy finish it then and stop biatching.

Depressing lack of community spirit.


most people could probably learn some useful skills or knowledge if they helped him finish it.
 
2012-08-04 07:55:17 AM  

abhorrent1: Shireen Toutant, a Maquoit Drive resident, said she hopes the council won't issue another extension.
"It bothers some of us, not knowing what's back there," Toutant said. "He's a nice neighbor, but at the same time, it's a concern."

It's none of your God-damn business what's back there. And what's to be concerned about? It's on his property.

/farking Gladys Kravitz
//mind your own damn business


Came here to say exactly this. STFU and let the man GBTW. He's doing the community a favor by recycling its refuse.
 
2012-08-04 07:56:23 AM  
What a bunch of coonts.
 
2012-08-04 07:56:49 AM  
Riiiiiiiiiiight.
 
2012-08-04 08:14:15 AM  
Dan Connor?
 
2012-08-04 08:24:17 AM  
Sometimes the project IS the goal. It's nice to have something to work on, think about, day dream about... It's not always about the finished product.
 
2012-08-04 08:24:19 AM  
 
2012-08-04 08:24:40 AM  
"...one man's junk is another's scrutiny."

That article started off way wrong man. Just sayin'.
 
2012-08-04 08:25:47 AM  
This is too good to pass up. You know who else was thought to be a crazy boat man?

static.ddmcdn.com

/doesn't take the story literally, thinks it was metaphorical
 
2012-08-04 08:29:32 AM  
What's he building in there?
What's he building in there?
He has subscriptions to those magazines.
He never waves when he goes by.
He's hiding something from the rest of us.
I think I know why....
What's he building in there?
What's he building in there?
We have a right to know.

- Tom Waits
 
2012-08-04 08:33:37 AM  
 
2012-08-04 08:40:35 AM  
We used to have a neighbor like this guy. Problem was, he didn't live in the back of a forest somewhere but rather in the middle of a neighborhood. There was scaffolding out in front of his house for years where he was repairing everything, a random boat that he was trying to fix up, and all kinds of junk and stuff out behind his house. The inside of the house was crammed with all kinds of random supplies and canned foods, and his garage had about 10 refrigerators/freezers packed with expired food he had gotten on sale the day it went off.

He got several citations related to the scaffolding and was taken to court for it, and eventually it got all sorted and he had to take it down. Within a few years the bank finally came and repossessed the home (his reverse mortgage attempt failed or something) and so he finally got moved out. After he moved it took about three days to clear out all of the random junk and stuff that was left in the house--fortunately no dead bodies or anything found like that, but there was some neat stuff like some random Navy equipment (as in like welding machines or deep fryers or something) and a decent amount of gunpowder that had to be disposed of properly.
 
2012-08-04 08:48:46 AM  
Twenty comments in and no one has mentioned the actual headline??

"In Freeport, one man's junk is another man's scrutiny."

I guess it all depends on how you feel about having your junk scrutinized....
 
2012-08-04 08:50:12 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: This is too good to pass up. You know who else was thought to be a crazy boat man?


farleftside.com
 
2012-08-04 08:54:16 AM  
A news site where you can click on the photos and get reasonably sized enlargements? What is this?

If they guy's stuff is out of view and he's not attracting vermin, I don't see what the problem is.
 
2012-08-04 08:54:30 AM  
neighborhoods that slowly spring up around an existing major obvious thing is the hobby of the well paid. biatch about the smell after their estate is built on undesirable property near the garbage dump / recycle center. biatch about the noise when it's obvious McMansion Estates is built right on top of a highway.
 
2012-08-04 08:54:35 AM  
We can't let people do things that they want to do on property they supposedly own. That wouldn't be very American of us.
 
2012-08-04 09:12:18 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: [a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net image 300x300]

/Disapproves of the busybodies.


Came for this, yada yada.

What the neighbors don't know is he finished the boat three boats ago, and working on it is just a good excuse to drink.
 
2012-08-04 09:24:20 AM  
I wonder how much it's going to cost to get his property back to a sellable state. I mean after he dies while finishing that "boat".
 
2012-08-04 09:27:48 AM  

Kevin72: abhorrent1: Shireen Toutant, a Maquoit Drive resident, said she hopes the council won't issue another extension.
"It bothers some of us, not knowing what's back there," Toutant said. "He's a nice neighbor, but at the same time, it's a concern."

It's none of your God-damn business what's back there. And what's to be concerned about? It's on his property.

/farking Gladys Kravitz
//mind your own damn business

Ditto that. Boatbuilder says he has an inventory and knows what junk he has for using later.


Didn't you read the part where it says the old man gives tours? Mrs. Kravitz here, should go take a look herself by attending one of them.
 
2012-08-04 09:36:56 AM  
Freeport? I'm surprised Lucan D'Lere has allowed him to skirt zone ordinances this long.


/obscure
/nerds!
 
2012-08-04 09:40:04 AM  
Lots of those people just want a free boatride and are tired of waiting.

The guy should grow a mustache and then glve out free rides.
 
2012-08-04 09:58:38 AM  
WTF Bitwise????? I did not need that image in my head.
 
2012-08-04 10:04:35 AM  

trappedspirit: I wonder how much it's going to cost to get his property back to a sellable state. I mean after he dies while finishing that "boat".


What are you talking about? Buy a house, get a schooner?
SCORE!
 
2012-08-04 10:07:30 AM  
I have mixed feelings on this.

I've lived next door to "hobbyists" like him before. In one case it was a neighbor who alternated between an apple cyder press, maple syrup, and some other contraption that either smelled bad or made a lot of noise. This of course required 3 seperate buildings to house each hobby. With the change of season, there would be all sorts of scents, mostly pleasant but some truly foul. He seemed to not only generate endless amounts of garbage pursuing his hobbies, but have endless guests and customers dropping by. What he did do right was that he loved to show off his facilities to any concerned citizen who was curious and proved to be more than generous with the sampling of his product. You got over the bad smells and late night noises pretty quickly after a mug of freshly pressed cider with cloves in it. He kept this up for a few years until he could afford some farmland outside town to move his facilities to.

On the extreme opposite side, i've know junk collectors that purported to be sculpturers. Welding, loud tools cutting metal, piles of scrap for future projects. The "art" spilled out to the roadway included such works as "fat lady bending over", exploded tire daisies, and really poorly constructed "howdy pardner" silloettes. I don't believe much of it sold, the owner got out of the business after a season or two, but the crap remained roadside. The future project piles continued to grow. Eventually, there was some concern over possible environmental impact, kids getting into the property and getting hurt, and quite frankly-for being a total eyesore.

My opinion is this: I honestly believe the builder in the article had great intentions- a bit over ambitious, maybe-- and was acting upon them. Like the first neighbor, you could put up with the extra structures, noise, and smell because he was open about it, and progress was always in the making. Like the boat builder, he shared his hobby with the community and willingly addressed their concerns.

At some point though- whether it was the need for more room, or just the sense to recognize that his welcome was wearing thin-- the neighbor with the cider press chose to move on.

It sounds like, due to the lack of progress he has made since 2004, he is turning into example number 2 and wearing out his welcome as a result. People just see a rusting schooner and piles of junk growing and little else. Not claiming to be an expert at these things, I think this hobby has become more of an obscession/compulsion and that he may be not much more than a hoarder at this point.

He has not turned into a recluse at this point so there still may be hope.

Possible ways of swaying public opinion?
- get a grant, clean the property up, and convert the project into a living museum. His opening this project up as a school was on the right track.
- Build some warehouses on the property to house the scrap, build an enclosure around the schooner. This will take away any doubts as to the seriousness of the project as opposed tojust being a rusting hulk leaning up against a couple of trees.
- aquire land in a non-residential area to complete the project.

Other than buying land zoned for this type of thing, his options will be few without the consent of his neighbors.
 
2012-08-04 10:15:32 AM  
That poor bastard will NEVER finish his boat. It's a pipe dream that he so far into he can't see the futility of what he's doing.

If the neighbors really want it gone, they should put up the money to get it finished and if it's not done within a certain time period, they take ownership and can do whatever they like with it. It could be cheaper way of getting rid of it instead of trying to sue the the guy.
 
2012-08-04 10:20:49 AM  
i898.photobucket.com
Might hurt his business
 
2012-08-04 10:25:26 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: This is too good to pass up. You know who else was thought to be a crazy boat man?

[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x322]

/doesn't take the story literally, thinks it was metaphorical


Noah was the world's first survivalist. You never know when that attitude may come in handy.
 
2012-08-04 10:30:38 AM  

Mouser: Noah was the world's first survivalist. You never know when that attitude may come in handy.


Noah is a character in a popular myth. Nothing less, nothing more.
 
2012-08-04 10:31:57 AM  
He'd have finished it by now if he could get a straight answer about what the hell a cubit is.
 
2012-08-04 10:33:01 AM  

Firststepsadoozie: He'd have finished it by now if he could get a straight answer about what the hell a cubit is.


Came for this, finally leaving happy.
 
2012-08-04 10:53:09 AM  
We had a neighbor like this, steel boat, he was a steamfitter. It took 20 years.
It was finished. It can happen.

On the other side. I am a hoarder (and come from a long line of hoarders) , but now I am going call myself a waste visionary.
 
2012-08-04 11:25:59 AM  

edmo: "...one man's junk is another's scrutiny."

That article started off way wrong man. Just sayin'.


Yeah, at first I thought this was the Larry Craig thread
 
2012-08-04 11:29:18 AM  

clowncar on fire: I have mixed feelings on this.
...

Eventually, there was some concern over possible environmental impact, kids getting into the property and getting hurt, and quite frankly-for being a total eyesore.

...


That's some BS right there. If kids (or anyone else) trespass on his property and get hurt that is their own damn fault and their own damn problem and the possibility of it happening shouldn't be used against what someone is doing on their own property.

I really hate how everyone in this country wants to NERF everything and make everything safe "for the children". We need a little real world dangerousness in our lives and a little more of the hand of Darwin.
 
2012-08-04 11:47:08 AM  
It takes a long time to build a boat.
 
2012-08-04 12:10:45 PM  

Medic Zero: clowncar on fire: I have mixed feelings on this.
...

Eventually, there was some concern over possible environmental impact, kids getting into the property and getting hurt, and quite frankly-for being a total eyesore.

...

That's some BS right there. If kids (or anyone else) trespass on his property and get hurt that is their own damn fault and their own damn problem and the possibility of it happening shouldn't be used against what someone is doing on their own property.

I really hate how everyone in this country wants to NERF everything and make everything safe "for the children". We need a little real world dangerousness in our lives and a little more of the hand of Darwin.


While I don't disagree with you, there is an unfortunate legal precedent.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/a/attractive-nuisance/
 
2012-08-04 12:43:38 PM  
In the mid 80's I started working for a courier company as a delivery driver. My route took me through three cities, including a tiny one called 'White City'.

There, among the rustic and quaint looking wooden homes on wooded lots of the lower middle and middle-middle class, was one lot off the highway where this guy was building a cement boat behind his house.

His home was a small, neatly kept wooden place built probably in the 50's with a couple of big Oaks on it. His lot was basically double, with one section just a grassy lawn -- on which lay this hull.

Over the next decade I watched that boat slowly grow until the cement hull towered above his home and was longer than it was wide. One day I caught the guy in the yard and stopped and asked him about it to find out that he was building a commercial fishing boat and he wanted to one day quit his job and go to sea.

I thought the hull was beginning to match the size of the Titanic. Since the nearest body of water was a few miles away with no easy access and was a lagoon of brackish water mainly shallow, I wondered how he was going to get it into the Atlantic.

Towing it behind his pickup was out of the question.

In 1995 I left the company and the boat was then this huge, white hull towering over his property, with no deck structures, dwarfing his home.

It was, I must say, impressive.

Around 2002, I drove back into the area, thought about the boat, and cruised on by to see if he had furthered his dream. His house was still there, but the boat was gone.

I never found out if he managed to complete the thing or had to scrap it, but I like to think he did the former and was sailing the seas in his cement boat, basking in the sun and the salt air, hauling in fish and feeling the throb of the massive engines under his feet.

He never had piles of junk around his property either. I'm still wondering how he managed to move the massive ship and get it into the Atlantic.

If you use Google Earth, locate Florida, then Ft. Pierce and below it, Port St. Lucie, between the two cities is a tiny spot called White City. The house is located about three blocks off US-1, to the west off their main east to west street.

You might get lucky and spot the home where a dream came true.

BTW. I don't recall what he did for a living, but I doubt if he made over $60,000 a year.
 
2012-08-04 01:07:25 PM  
Ctrl+f pedo.....Ctrl+f John Wayne Gacy

No? I guess it's just me
 
2012-08-04 02:03:08 PM  
I have been on the boat, I know him personally.

He is eccentric, yes. He does have the prerequisite skills and experience to actually do this project. The fact he has the entire hull together is pretty impressive. He has collected a lot of stuff that would eventually be a part of the project, which he has all over his property.

The funding is the problem. The man dreams big and actually goes out to make it happen, it is something we should all appreciate.

He may not succeed, but when has that ever been a requirement? In a world overrun with bland sameness his project is at least unique and interesting.

I am suspect of his plan to actually get the thing to the water even if he did finish it.
 
2012-08-04 02:36:15 PM  
If the neighbors are so upset, they can either give him the money to finish, or go over and help. Biatching, though, is free.
 
2012-08-04 03:20:52 PM  

Khazar-Khum: If the neighbors are so upset, they can either give him the money to finish, or go over and help..


farm3.staticflickr.com

not likely.
 
2012-08-04 03:21:25 PM  
I'm all for tinkering on your land, but there are some major problems here.

1. 89 feet is enormous. Should never have started a boat that big. It will not be finished in his lifetime or ours. Something that size needs a shipbuilding yard with the right facilities to launch something that big. What's he going to do, roll it down the hill on logs?

2. Hull out of scrap is fine. The expensive bits (props, engines, pumps etc.) for a vessel that size will bust him. He'll need millions.

3. Knowing he has tons of ship parts laying around is an environmental disaster. Every time it rains, rusty oily parts wash off into other folks yards and into the main water body. There is a reason we break ships in Bangladesh.

Sorry gramps, its time to put the dream to bed.
 
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