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2012-08-03 07:31:36 PM  
That's what the motion-activated turrets are there to prevent.
 
2012-08-03 07:33:43 PM  
With enough editing, you can make anything happen in video.
 
2012-08-03 09:05:29 PM  

doglover: With enough editing, you can make anything happen in video.


I see we're done here.
 
2012-08-03 10:25:04 PM  
Yeah, even if this is real, the kid was still trained.
 
2012-08-03 10:30:57 PM  
Like to see him try that with this.
 
2012-08-03 11:22:57 PM  
A three-year-old professional safe cracker?
 
2012-08-03 11:24:34 PM  
Saw the tape at DEFCON, talked to the presenters - completely unedited, that's just how bad these safes are.
 
2012-08-03 11:25:17 PM  

Arkanaut: A three-year-old professional safe cracker?


Savants are everywhere.
 
2012-08-03 11:27:03 PM  
 
2012-08-03 11:28:27 PM  

Ed Finnerty: That's what the motion-activated turrets are there to prevent.


Hellooooo.

www.robotshop.com
 
2012-08-03 11:28:47 PM  

Asa Phelps: Yeah, even if this is real, the kid was still trained.


And news flash, cheap safes are easy to crack.

I would like to see a kid under 10 try to even move our shotgun safe, biatch weighs over 600lbs and is anchored to the floor.

JustSurfin: Saw the tape at DEFCON, talked to the presenters - completely unedited, that's just how bad these safes are.


You do realize these are widely known to be the worst safes made, right? And only a moron would buy them to keep their guns out of the hands of children but then the point of the video is to outrage people and scream "EVEN GUN SAFES CANT KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF CHILDREN!!!"
 
2012-08-03 11:32:40 PM  

LawrencePerson: More info on the DEFCON presentation here.


I dont know why they guy is acting surprised, people in the gun world have stayed away from these safes for a while
 
2012-08-03 11:36:30 PM  
When shoddy gun safes are outlawed, only outlaws will have shoddy guns safes.
 
2012-08-03 11:38:20 PM  
Back in the 1970s, my uncle built a new house and installed a push-button lock on the front door.

Shortly after the house was finished, one of his friends walked up to the lock, punched in a few numbers and got it to open.
 
2012-08-03 11:41:03 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Back in the 1970s, my uncle built a new house and installed a push-button lock on the front door.

Shortly after the house was finished, one of his friends walked up to the lock, punched in a few numbers and got it to open.


Those are better now, I just dont recommend putting them on an easily accessible door, ours is in the back and if you can get past the dogs then just make sure you dont bleed in the house.
 
2012-08-03 11:48:12 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Back in the 1970s, my uncle built a new house and installed a push-button lock on the front door.

Shortly after the house was finished, one of his friends walked up to the lock, punched in a few numbers and got it to open.


I've seen a few internal doors in our lab building that have mechanical locks. The code is 3 digits but there are only 5 buttons. Anyone with the patience to try up to 125 codes could walk in.
 
2012-08-03 11:50:06 PM  
I think this is why they are doing this:

Link
 
2012-08-03 11:51:02 PM  
That link:
Link
 
2012-08-03 11:51:10 PM  

Asa Phelps: Yeah, even if this is real, the kid was still trained.


training was obvious, but that isn't the point:

Some of those safes were easy enough to break in by tripping over them or dropping them on the floor.
that is VERY possible.

but, that shouldn't prevent you from buying a gun safe -- it just should prevent you from buying these gun safes.
Oh, and the gun safe manufacturers for these models should be penalized for complete incompetence.
 
2012-08-03 11:54:40 PM  
Sheneniganistic.

/did he not actually enter a combination on one and use a "slim jim" on another? I suppose....
 
2012-08-03 11:56:02 PM  

BlahBlahBlahNeil: That link:
Link


Gun safes are a perk? Well then.
 
2012-08-04 12:05:58 AM  

BlahBlahBlahNeil: That link:
Link


The guys is an idiot for using a $36 safe with a kid in his house, sorry it happened but hes a moron.

keithgabryelski: Some of those safes were easy enough to break in by tripping over them or dropping them on the floor.
that is VERY possible.


And its well known in the gun safe world, point is "dont buy your gun safe from wal mart or a discount store" search the internet and you will see hundreds of forums saying they arent worth a shiat for gun safety.

They will probably never punish them because it would affect trade with asian markets and they cant have that now cant they?
 
2012-08-04 12:09:48 AM  
Argh! How dare this guy show the world that these gun safes are shiatty! People should already know this, in their genes! Yeah!
 
2012-08-04 12:14:10 AM  
This is why I just keep my gun in the vegetable crisper.
 
2012-08-04 12:14:35 AM  
Or you could make it illegal and/or ban children from touching guns!

That will solve the problem...
 
2012-08-04 12:18:05 AM  
If you can pick it up and move it easily, it's not a safe.
 
2012-08-04 12:19:24 AM  

Meethos: Argh! How dare this guy show the world that these gun safes are shiatty! People should already know this, in their genes! Yeah!


Or since they are obviously concerned about safety they could do a simple google search and pour through the thousands of pagers talking about how shiatty those safes were, one guys comment about stack on safes was that he wouldnt trust it to keep his cat's shiat safe.

I think thats pretty much all you need to know to make an informed opinion when buying a gun safe.
 
2012-08-04 12:20:12 AM  

marsgwar: If you can pick it up and move it easily, it's not a safe.


Its a heavy tote bag!
 
2012-08-04 12:23:47 AM  
I keep my guns in the dishwasher. Nobody else in the family ever even opens it.
 
2012-08-04 12:25:03 AM  
LockeOak:
I've seen a few internal doors in our lab building that have mechanical locks. The code is 3 digits but there are only 5 buttons. Anyone with the patience to try up to 125 codes could walk in.

My favorite is when the company is too lazy to ever replace them or change the codes. The place I used to work at was bad at that: Nothing like seeing 4 worn-down, washed-out buttons shining out of every dingy, dirty keypad.
 
2012-08-04 12:53:46 AM  
I have guns, and two kids, but I'm not a bit worried. In order to access my guns you have to...

1. Unlock the locked closet in the garage.
2. Move a 30lb Honda generator.
3. Move a 30lb toolbox full of my Grandpa's tools.
4. Disassemble my dust-collection intake system.
5. Maneuver the large and unwieldy dust-collector out of the small closet.

Only then do you have access to the safe. Then, to get to a point where you could pull a trigger, you'd have to...

6. Open the gun safe using a key or a blowtorch.
7. Open the combination lock on the hard case of your choice.
8. Finally, open the combination trigger lock on the (unloaded) gun.

I figure if you've managed to get to this point, you're can do with my guns what you will.
 
2012-08-04 01:05:45 AM  

steamingpile: Asa Phelps: Yeah, even if this is real, the kid was still trained.

And news flash, cheap safes are easy to crack.

I would like to see a kid under 10 try to even move our shotgun safe, biatch weighs over 600lbs and is anchored to the floor.

JustSurfin: Saw the tape at DEFCON, talked to the presenters - completely unedited, that's just how bad these safes are.

You do realize these are widely known to be the worst safes made, right? And only a moron would buy them to keep their guns out of the hands of children but then the point of the video is to outrage people and scream "EVEN GUN SAFES CANT KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF CHILDREN!!!"


The message of the presentation was " There is a problem with this class of gun safes in general, and this model in particular, here are some things you should check for when buying a safe." Like most presentations at DEFCON the point was, "I found a problem, I'll describe it for you, now lets figure out a fix for it." I actually have a friend with this model gun safe. I'll be spending a couple hours tomorrow trying to fix his. It actually doesn't look like that hard of a fix, I think that soldering a chunk of a spring from a ballpoint pen to the pin that bounces out of place when the safe is dropped will take care of it.

By the way this wasn't the only brand of safe he looked at. There were about 5 of them. He managed to open all of them, but some were harder than others. This one and the one he opened with a straw were the worst. The other 3 were to me at least acceptable. To open them you had to tear off covers and manipulate multiple levers in the mechanisms simultaneously by poking blindly at them through small holes in the exterior.
 
2012-08-04 01:10:02 AM  
And for his next trick he is going to hop on a piece of heavy machinery, use it to tear down the two walls my safes are anchored to, and then pry them off the concrete J-bolts. Lastly, he will just pick and drop a corner of my loaded several hundred pound safes and they will become unlocked.
 
2012-08-04 01:14:40 AM  

Asa Phelps: Yeah, even if this is real, the kid was still trained.


yeah, cause it makes a huge difference if your kid was trained how to pick up one side of the safe and drop it, cause you know, that could NEVER happen on accident.
 
2012-08-04 01:17:07 AM  

LockeOak: Dwight_Yeast: Back in the 1970s, my uncle built a new house and installed a push-button lock on the front door.

Shortly after the house was finished, one of his friends walked up to the lock, punched in a few numbers and got it to open.

I've seen a few internal doors in our lab building that have mechanical locks. The code is 3 digits but there are only 5 buttons. Anyone with the patience to try up to 125 codes could walk in.


Most of those can have a varying number of digits and can be set up to have one or more of those digits be a combination of digits hit at the same time. So, most likely, if your company has one set up for three simple digits, they arent TOO concerned with it being opened.
 
2012-08-04 01:22:53 AM  

steamingpile:
You do realize these are widely known to be the worst safes made, right? And only a moron would buy them to keep their guns out of the hands of children but then the point of the video is to outrage people and scream "EVEN GUN SAFES CANT KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF CHILDREN!!!"


WTF? I'm not sure how you got that out of the video. What i got out of the video was cheap electronic safes are crap, so buy good ones. I don't think anybody, especially gun control advocates, are saying not to use gun safes.

You guys seriously need to stop watching Fox News.
 
2012-08-04 01:29:07 AM  

HK-MP5-SD: I actually have a friend with this model gun safe. I'll be spending a couple hours tomorrow trying to fix his. It actually doesn't look like that hard of a fix, I think that soldering a chunk of a spring from a ballpoint pen to the pin that bounces out of place when the safe is dropped will take care of it.


Are you sure this is the best course of action for a situation like this?
 
2012-08-04 01:44:18 AM  

I sound fat: LockeOak: Dwight_Yeast: Back in the 1970s, my uncle built a new house and installed a push-button lock on the front door.

Shortly after the house was finished, one of his friends walked up to the lock, punched in a few numbers and got it to open.

I've seen a few internal doors in our lab building that have mechanical locks. The code is 3 digits but there are only 5 buttons. Anyone with the patience to try up to 125 codes could walk in.

Most of those can have a varying number of digits and can be set up to have one or more of those digits be a combination of digits hit at the same time. So, most likely, if your company has one set up for three simple digits, they arent TOO concerned with it being opened.


If those are the same ones we have (5 vertical buttons), just slide a hard drive magnet down the left side until you hear a click, then turn the knob. And our security guy was so proud of his new locks coontil I showed him that trick). I told him not to buy the old model. The mechanically inept will be the ruin of us all.
 
2012-08-04 01:49:25 AM  
Do yourself "friend" a favor, get a real security container. I happen to like my ft knox pistol safe allot.
 
2012-08-04 01:56:03 AM  
My uncle built a gun safe for my dad. The frame of it was 3/4" steel and the door had a full-sized window of 3/4" Lexan. It looked like glass and we were always expecting to come home to find a slight ding in the Lexan and an intruder laying on the ground with a hammer in his hand and a large gash on the forehead from where the hammer bounced off the Lexan.

/Lexan
 
2012-08-04 02:03:57 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Back in the 1970s, my uncle built a new house and installed a push-button lock on the front door.

Shortly after the house was finished, one of his friends walked up to the lock, punched in a few numbers and got it to open.


Kinda relevant.
 
2012-08-04 02:36:53 AM  

doglover: With enough editing, you can make anything happen in video.


And with enough shiatty safes, a kid can open anything.
 
2012-08-04 02:46:16 AM  

buckler: doglover: With enough editing, you can make anything happen in video.

And with enough shiatty safes, a kid can open anything.


What about a jar of pickles?
 
2012-08-04 03:09:38 AM  

UsikFark: buckler: doglover: With enough editing, you can make anything happen in video.

And with enough shiatty safes, a kid can open anything.

What about a jar of pickles?


*smash*
 
2012-08-04 04:40:45 AM  
That's why the slide of my gun is in my dresser drawer, the barrel is in a Baggie in the toilet tank, the Frame is buried under the petunias and the magazine is in a whole in the wall covered by a sign,"beware the leopard"
 
2012-08-04 06:48:19 AM  

steamingpile: Asa Phelps: Yeah, even if this is real, the kid was still trained.

And news flash, cheap safes are easy to crack.

I would like to see a kid under 10 try to even move our shotgun safe, biatch weighs over 600lbs and is anchored to the floor.

JustSurfin: Saw the tape at DEFCON, talked to the presenters - completely unedited, that's just how bad these safes are.

You do realize these are widely known to be the worst safes made, right? And only a moron would buy them to keep their guns out of the hands of children but then the point of the video is to outrage people and scream "EVEN GUN SAFES CANT KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF CHILDREN!!!"


Fact: Guns kill more dumbasses than they do bad guys.
Question: Is this actually a bad thing?
I personally tend toward Darwinism in these matters.
 
2012-08-04 08:21:41 AM  

steamingpile: BlahBlahBlahNeil: That link:
Link

The guys is an idiot for using a $36 safe with a kid in his house, sorry it happened but hes a moron.

keithgabryelski: Some of those safes were easy enough to break in by tripping over them or dropping them on the floor.
that is VERY possible.

And its well known in the gun safe world, point is "dont buy your gun safe from wal mart or a discount store" search the internet and you will see hundreds of forums saying they arent worth a shiat for gun safety.

They will probably never punish them because it would affect trade with asian markets and they cant have that now cant they?


well, i'd say you shouldn't have to search the internet to determine if a gun safe actually works as a gun safe. The primary purpose of this device is to keep the gun away from children. note, these devices are 10 pounds or so, so the device isn't made to prevent a nefarious person from stealing the whole thing.

if it can be defeated by tripping over it -- someone should be able to throw some sort of willful neglect suit at them.
 
2012-08-04 11:57:28 AM  

steamingpile: BlahBlahBlahNeil: That link:
Link

The guys is an idiot for using a $36 safe with a kid in his house, sorry it happened but hes a moron.



The kid is an idiot for having that guy as a dad? I have no sympathy for the dad in this case - just the kid. Though It should be noted that it was the police dept that bought the safe.
 
2012-08-04 12:10:51 PM  

pudding7: I have guns, and two kids, but I'm not a bit worried. In order to access my guns you have to...

1. Unlock the locked closet in the garage.
2. Move a 30lb Honda generator.
3. Move a 30lb toolbox full of my Grandpa's tools.
4. Disassemble my dust-collection intake system.
5. Maneuver the large and unwieldy dust-collector out of the small closet.

Only then do you have access to the safe. Then, to get to a point where you could pull a trigger, you'd have to...

6. Open the gun safe using a key or a blowtorch.
7. Open the combination lock on the hard case of your choice.
8. Finally, open the combination trigger lock on the (unloaded) gun.

I figure if you've managed to get to this point, you're can do with my guns what you will.


Thanks! Can you tell me your address please?
 
2012-08-04 12:41:08 PM  

steamingpile: BlahBlahBlahNeil: That link:
Link

The guys is an idiot for using a $36 safe with a kid in his house, sorry it happened but hes a moron.


There's more to the story - the kid's dad was aSheriff and was *required* to use *that* safe, which was approved by and provided by the department. They bought hundreds of 'em, as have many other departments.
 
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