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(Washington Post)   US will stand up for human rights in Africa. Except for Nigerian oil, of course, or gold or diamonds. Or Rwanda. Or Darfur. But other than that, we're totally there   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 74
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2012-08-03 03:17:51 PM  
Big fan of the Chinese, subby?
 
2012-08-03 09:09:40 PM  
Arguing for more US overseas engagements, in this political climate?

Let me know how that works.
 
2012-08-03 09:44:15 PM  

St_Francis_P: Big fan of the Chinese, subby?


Some of them.

chinese-school.netfirms.com
 
2012-08-03 09:45:03 PM  
Yeah, stand up for human rights by saying "Hey , stop killing and imprisoning ! Or we'll get angry and do nothing about it!"
 
2012-08-03 09:45:41 PM  

Nadie_AZ: St_Francis_P: Big fan of the Chinese, subby?

Some of them.


Does this heavenly creature have a name?
 
2012-08-03 09:46:33 PM  

Nadie_AZ: St_Francis_P: Big fan of the Chinese, subby?

Some of them.

[chinese-school.netfirms.com image 615x927]


I'll admit, your argument has some outstanding points.
 
2012-08-03 09:46:47 PM  
Wow that came out badly, remind me not to use less than signs.

Meant to say:

Yeah, stand up for human rights by saying "Hey (insert country name here), stop killing (oppressed group) and imprisoning (some politician 99.99% of Americans have never heard of)."
 
2012-08-03 09:46:56 PM  
suggesting the U.S. has Africa's interests at heart and is genuinely concerned with progress around democracy, and that China is only interested in grabbing resources."

If we're more concerned with "progress" and "democracy" in Africa, it's only because we got done with grabbing their resources years ago. We can pretend we're into benevolent democratic reform because we looted Uganda, Nigeria and Senegal LAST century.
 
2012-08-03 09:47:07 PM  
Don't you think we've done enough over there subby? I mean, everything we touch turns to crap, it's probably best to let someone else sort this out.
 
2012-08-03 09:58:01 PM  

St_Francis_P: Nadie_AZ: St_Francis_P: Big fan of the Chinese, subby?

Some of them.

[chinese-school.netfirms.com image 615x927]

I'll admit, your argument has some outstanding points.


I mean .... in Beijing, even.

images.china.cn
 
2012-08-03 09:59:09 PM  
Yeah...The US telling someone not to exploit a country's resources. *cough* Iraq *cough*
 
2012-08-03 10:00:58 PM  

blackflag415: Yeah...The US telling someone not to exploit a country's resources. *cough* Iraq *cough*


It's just words meant to make us citizens happy while they continue the global game of Risk.
 
2012-08-03 10:01:02 PM  
This would mean so much more if McSame were running against Obama again. But it's Romney! You know he's a big pussy just like Dubya.

At least Barry got off the dime and killed the real enemy.
 
2012-08-03 10:01:24 PM  

gadian: Don't you think we've done enough over there subby? I mean, everything we touch turns to crap, it's probably best to let someone else sort this out.


if we leave developing Africa up to the Chinese, there is a great risk that Africans see the Chinese economic and political model as their ticket out of poverty, and turn their backs on their efforts to be democratic.

and everything the US touches turns to crap in Africa is because Americans (and Europeans) generally give Africa food and medical aid and weapons, not investment capital.
 
2012-08-03 10:02:19 PM  

dumbobruni: gadian: Don't you think we've done enough over there subby? I mean, everything we touch turns to crap, it's probably best to let someone else sort this out.

if we leave developing Africa up to the Chinese, there is a great risk that Africans see the Chinese economic and political model as their ticket out of poverty, and turn their backs on their efforts to be democratic.

and everything the US touches turns to crap in Africa is because Americans (and Europeans) generally give Africa food and medical aid and weapons, not investment capital.


Basically rental property with in intent to stay.
 
2012-08-03 10:02:21 PM  
Maybe Africa wants us to mind our own business. We will as long as the oil, diamonds, and uranium keep coming.
 
2012-08-03 10:18:36 PM  
China is basically tying up natural resources by providing discount infrastructure. They're building roads all over Africa. And the workmanship is definitely made in China.
 
2012-08-03 10:25:13 PM  
no intent, that should say.
 
2012-08-03 10:26:57 PM  
Hey, I bought a "Live Aid" tee shirt back in 1985 so I think I still have some credit with Africa.
Hell, I even got "Toto IV" on cassette because I liked the song.
 
2012-08-03 10:28:54 PM  

badhatharry: Maybe Africa wants us to mind our own business. We will as long as the oil, diamonds, and uranium keep coming.


most of the uranium the US gets does not come from Africa, but from Canada, Russia, and Australia. Africa's uranium mostly goes to France and China.
 
2012-08-03 10:32:14 PM  
thedepression.org.au

The candy store paupers lie to the share holders
They're crossing their fingers they pay the truth makers
The balance sheet is breaking up the sky
So I'm caught at the junction still waiting for medicine
The sweat of my brow keeps on feeding the engine
Hope the crumbs in my pocket can keep me for another night
And if the blue sky mining company won't come to my rescue
If the sugar refining company won't save me
Who's gonna save me?
 
2012-08-03 10:33:11 PM  
Does anyone really care about this continent full of JBJB's? Can't Ebola do us a favor?
 
2012-08-03 10:35:15 PM  

Fista-Phobia: [thedepression.org.au image 500x333]

The candy store paupers lie to the share holders
They're crossing their fingers they pay the truth makers
The balance sheet is breaking up the sky
So I'm caught at the junction still waiting for medicine
The sweat of my brow keeps on feeding the engine
Hope the crumbs in my pocket can keep me for another night
And if the blue sky mining company won't come to my rescue
If the sugar refining company won't save me
Who's gonna save me?


The one I like:

We don't serve your country
We don't serve your king
Know your custom don't speak your tongue
White man came took everyone

We don't need protection
Don't need your hand
Keep your promise on where we stand
We will listen we'll understand
 
2012-08-03 10:41:18 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Fista-Phobia: [thedepression.org.au image 500x333]

The candy store paupers lie to the share holders
They're crossing their fingers they pay the truth makers
The balance sheet is breaking up the sky
So I'm caught at the junction still waiting for medicine
The sweat of my brow keeps on feeding the engine
Hope the crumbs in my pocket can keep me for another night
And if the blue sky mining company won't come to my rescue
If the sugar refining company won't save me
Who's gonna save me?

The one I like:

We don't serve your country
We don't serve your king
Know your custom don't speak your tongue
White man came took everyone

We don't need protection
Don't need your hand
Keep your promise on where we stand
We will listen we'll understand


Dooo dooo doooo dooo doooo dooo do do
 
2012-08-03 10:42:23 PM  

dumbobruni: gadian: Don't you think we've done enough over there subby? I mean, everything we touch turns to crap, it's probably best to let someone else sort this out.

if we leave developing Africa up to the Chinese, there is a great risk that Africans see the Chinese economic and political model as their ticket out of poverty, and turn their backs on their efforts to be democratic.

and everything the US touches turns to crap in Africa is because Americans (and Europeans) generally give Africa food and medical aid and weapons, not investment capital.


What's the risk in other nations adopting the Chinese economic and political model? It's worked great for 5,000 years. No snark. What's the risk?

And we've given African nations so much investment capital, it's not even amusing. Most of which went into Mobutu Sese Seko's Swiss account, and wherever Sgt. Doe of Liberia hid his gazillions.
 
2012-08-03 10:58:06 PM  

dumbobruni: gadian: Don't you think we've done enough over there subby? I mean, everything we touch turns to crap, it's probably best to let someone else sort this out.

if we leave developing Africa up to the Chinese, there is a great risk that Africans see the Chinese economic and political model as their ticket out of poverty, and turn their backs on their efforts to be democratic.

and everything the US touches turns to crap in Africa is because Americans (and Europeans) generally give Africa food and medical aid and weapons, not investment capital.



So America gets to force their demands on the world just because?

But don't call America the worlds self appointed police force

Did you know China doesn't give a fark what politics the country has?

And yeah, western nations just give aid and don't get anything in return... except oil diamonds gold and other fine minerals.
 
2012-08-03 11:11:32 PM  

intelligent comment below: And yeah, western nations just give aid and don't get anything in return... except oil diamonds gold and other fine minerals.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-03 11:22:51 PM  
For some strange reason African nations trust the Chinese more than they do European nations. Wonder why that might be? Have the two met before?
 
2012-08-03 11:23:10 PM  

Fista-Phobia: intelligent comment below: And yeah, western nations just give aid and don't get anything in return... except oil diamonds gold and other fine minerals.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x162]



Because it harms the environment more than a Hummer, amiright?
 
2012-08-03 11:26:54 PM  
We're too busy trying to make sure gay people can get married. get your prioritys straight people.
 
2012-08-03 11:27:51 PM  

intelligent comment below: Fista-Phobia: intelligent comment below: And yeah, western nations just give aid and don't get anything in return... except oil diamonds gold and other fine minerals.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x162]


Because it harms the environment more than a Hummer, amiright?


I bet they are both expensive to fix that's for sure.
 
2012-08-03 11:47:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: dumbobruni: gadian: Don't you think we've done enough over there subby? I mean, everything we touch turns to crap, it's probably best to let someone else sort this out.

if we leave developing Africa up to the Chinese, there is a great risk that Africans see the Chinese economic and political model as their ticket out of poverty, and turn their backs on their efforts to be democratic.

and everything the US touches turns to crap in Africa is because Americans (and Europeans) generally give Africa food and medical aid and weapons, not investment capital.

What's the risk in other nations adopting the Chinese economic and political model? It's worked great for 5,000 years. No snark. What's the risk?


china's political and economic model has been the same over the past 5000 years? heck, its changed drastically in the past 50.
 
2012-08-03 11:49:08 PM  

intelligent comment below: dumbobruni: gadian: Don't you think we've done enough over there subby? I mean, everything we touch turns to crap, it's probably best to let someone else sort this out.

if we leave developing Africa up to the Chinese, there is a great risk that Africans see the Chinese economic and political model as their ticket out of poverty, and turn their backs on their efforts to be democratic.

and everything the US touches turns to crap in Africa is because Americans (and Europeans) generally give Africa food and medical aid and weapons, not investment capital.


So America gets to force their demands on the world just because?

But don't call America the worlds self appointed police force

Did you know China doesn't give a fark what politics the country has?

And yeah, western nations just give aid and don't get anything in return... except oil diamonds gold and other fine minerals.


what does this have to do with anything that I posted?
 
2012-08-04 12:02:35 AM  
Hey, it's a big place.
 
2012-08-04 12:06:11 AM  
Sure, the West isn't interested in saving Africans, but China won't even pretend to care. America outsources its companies to China because the Chinese don't give a fark about their own people. Plus, China's lack of resources also mean they're very eager for Africa, lowering the bar even more.

If China wins Africa, we're farked. Not only economically, but in Olympic sports.
 
2012-08-04 12:08:09 AM  

Sir Anal of Leakage: Hey, it's a big place.


Plenty of exploitation to go around!
 
2012-08-04 12:20:11 AM  
bu bu buuuush's faullllllt.
 
2012-08-04 12:41:54 AM  

Degenz: This would mean so much more if McSame were running against Obama again. But it's Romney! You know he's a big pussy just like Dubya.

At least Barry got off the dime and killed the real enemy.


WRONG!!!!

Bush is still running around. He's probably more useful to Obama's talking points if Bush is alive, though.

/and Seekrit Serviss, this is totally a troll/joke, and implies no threat to anyone.
 
2012-08-04 01:10:53 AM  

dumbobruni: Gyrfalcon: dumbobruni: gadian: Don't you think we've done enough over there subby? I mean, everything we touch turns to crap, it's probably best to let someone else sort this out.

if we leave developing Africa up to the Chinese, there is a great risk that Africans see the Chinese economic and political model as their ticket out of poverty, and turn their backs on their efforts to be democratic.

and everything the US touches turns to crap in Africa is because Americans (and Europeans) generally give Africa food and medical aid and weapons, not investment capital.

What's the risk in other nations adopting the Chinese economic and political model? It's worked great for 5,000 years. No snark. What's the risk?


china's political and economic model has been the same over the past 5000 years? heck, its changed drastically in the past 50.


Can't say you haven't earned your handle. Go back and check what the First Emperor was up to in 500 BC. Mao didn't do anything that Emperor Ch'in hadn't done first, and better.

Also, you didn't answer my question. What's the risk?
 
2012-08-04 01:13:58 AM  
Is this where we get mad at the US for not intervening to protect human rights, or where we get mad at the US for intervening to protect human rights? I can never keep track.
 
2012-08-04 01:22:57 AM  

Gyrfalcon: dumbobruni: Gyrfalcon: dumbobruni: gadian:

Also, you didn't answer my question. What's the risk?


The next time you visit Uganda, they might try to pee in your Coke.
 
2012-08-04 01:27:34 AM  

Fista-Phobia: intelligent comment below: Fista-Phobia: intelligent comment below: And yeah, western nations just give aid and don't get anything in return... except oil diamonds gold and other fine minerals.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x162]


Because it harms the environment more than a Hummer, amiright?

I bet they are both expensive to fix that's for sure.



Why don't you ask all the taxi companies in America and Europe who love their Priuses?
 
2012-08-04 01:28:43 AM  

legion_of_doo: Degenz: This would mean so much more if McSame were running against Obama again. But it's Romney! You know he's a big pussy just like Dubya.

At least Barry got off the dime and killed the real enemy.

WRONG!!!!

Bush is still running around. He's probably more useful to Obama's talking points if Bush is alive, though.

/and Seekrit Serviss, this is totally a troll/joke, and implies no threat to anyone.


I've actually grown to sort of admire the dumbass for finally keeping his mouth shut. Bush said he'd stay out of politics and he's mostly kept his word. Bush was an asshole but you gotta give him credit for being a standup guy.
 
2012-08-04 01:28:48 AM  

I am Sancho: or where we get mad at the US for intervening to protect human rights?



Gee, if only that happened more often, then maybe you might have a valid point.
 
2012-08-04 01:29:25 AM  

dumbobruni: what does this have to do with anything that I posted?



So you're just a troll then. That settles that.
 
2012-08-04 01:35:39 AM  
Count me in the "don't help Africa" crowd. There's always going to be places in the world that are poor/full of war/generally shiatty. Trying to fix all of them makes us feel better about ourselves far more than it actually helps poor people. And now, we're simply no longer rich enough to be philanthropist to the world.
 
2012-08-04 01:51:48 AM  
Subs is smokin' with the irony.

If total fail and headline submission were equal to the sum of its parts.


And it is.

Good jorb.
 
2012-08-04 02:07:50 AM  

balloot: Count me in the "don't help Africa" crowd. There's always going to be places in the world that are poor/full of war/generally shiatty. Trying to fix all of them makes us feel better about ourselves far more than it actually helps poor people. And now, we're simply no longer rich enough to be philanthropist to the world.



How does it feel to have no empathy or humanity left?
 
2012-08-04 02:11:23 AM  

intelligent comment below: balloot: Count me in the "don't help Africa" crowd. There's always going to be places in the world that are poor/full of war/generally shiatty. Trying to fix all of them makes us feel better about ourselves far more than it actually helps poor people. And now, we're simply no longer rich enough to be philanthropist to the world.


How does it feel to have no empathy or humanity left?


I am a bleeding heart but how many more entanglements do we need? Nothing short of permanent occupation will change a thing in most of these places.
 
2012-08-04 02:14:57 AM  

Sabyen91: intelligent comment below: balloot: Count me in the "don't help Africa" crowd. There's always going to be places in the world that are poor/full of war/generally shiatty. Trying to fix all of them makes us feel better about ourselves far more than it actually helps poor people. And now, we're simply no longer rich enough to be philanthropist to the world.


How does it feel to have no empathy or humanity left?

I am a bleeding heart but how many more entanglements do we need? Nothing short of permanent occupation will change a thing in most of these places.



Considering the world is still profiting off the oil, gas and minerals being stolen from them, I'd say there's still a lot of work to do. Also go after the corrupt companies that keep these corrupt governments in power so they can profit and not pay anything to the citizens.
 
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