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2012-08-03 05:50:39 PM  
5 votes:
Penn State fans sure talk a big game for a school that hasn't won a single game in 15 years.
2012-08-03 03:03:08 PM  
5 votes:
You make it sound like Obama's not used to opposition from large groups of ignorant farktards who feel outraged over ridiculous things.
2012-08-03 05:56:15 PM  
4 votes:
Honestly, Penn State got off light.
2012-08-03 10:25:58 PM  
3 votes:

magusdevil: stiletto_the_wise: mrshowrules: stiletto_the_wise: Lenny_da_Hog: And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?

Why didn't they shut down the Engineering classes too? That would REALLY punish the University. I mean, if people wanted to study Engineering, they can just go to a different school after all.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DEFEND KIDDIE RAPE, DO YOU? SHUT DOWN ENGINEERING!

If the engineering faculty was hiding child rape, that would be OK.

No, actually it wouldn't be OK. What ever happened to punishing the bad people?

If your boss was raping kids, and his boss covered it up, should they fire you and all your co-workers to punish the company? Does that sound right?

Is that what happened? Those kids all lost their college degrees? My god, that's horrible.


You are using bad analogies and comparisons because the reality is much harder to defend. The institution is be punished because it failed to fire/charge the bad people. Sports was put before the safety of children. Children's safety was in fact sacrificed to protect the institution. The institution should be punished and if people suffer because of their connection to the institute that is unfortunate but could have been prevented by the institution itself.

If I murder someone and go to prison, my wife and kids will suffer horribly but that is the way the cookie crumbles. It was my responsibility. Penn State failed in its responsibility and are directly responsible for all the pain and suffering.
2012-08-03 03:26:17 PM  
3 votes:
Your butthurt is nothing compared to that of those kids, subby
2012-08-03 02:54:46 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA: Obama, appearing on a Columbus, Ohio, sports talk radio show aired Thursday, was asked whether "the punishment fit the crime."

"I think it does," Obama said. "I mean, I have been a big admirer of Penn State football. Obviously Joe Paterno was a great football coach. But there are some things that are just more important than sports. And making sure our kids are safe is more important than sports."


History's greatest monster!
2012-08-03 10:58:11 PM  
2 votes:

stiletto_the_wise: moralpanic: Do you know what an 8 or 9 year old boy looks like? Google it if you can't appreciate the size of a boy that young. Now imagine a large adult football coach raping him. There were witnesses, there were people that spoke out, and it was all covered up to the very top.

I agree, it's terrible, and the people who covered it up should spend the rest of their lives in jail as far as I'm concerned.


And anybody else in that position would have done the same thing. It was a problem with the system itself. The other coaches aren't evil. The board members aren't evil. The president of the school wasn't evil. Just like the Germans during Nazi Germany weren't evil, these people acted the way they did because of the system.

It's 4 years. If you need to cry or feel things are unjust, cry for the 9 boys that spoke out (and who knows how many countless haven't). Don't farking cry for an athletic program.
2012-08-03 06:05:04 PM  
2 votes:
Mitt Romney thinks it should be left up to the state to decide whether child rape is a big deal or not.
2012-08-03 05:36:30 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: great - now the GOP is going to have to take a pro-pedophila stance. as a rule, if Obama is in favor of something, the Republicans are against it. in this case, Obama is against pedo rape, which means the GOP have to be in favor of it.


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My friends, the Democrat Party claims to be the party of acceptance and openness, but those on the left would deny you the right to make love to a pre-teen boy in a public shower. Are you going to stand for the government telling you what to do?

2012-08-03 04:22:29 PM  
2 votes:

downstairs: Also, I don't know how voting works when you're out of state in college (I went to a school in the state I lived)... do most of these kids even vote in Pennsylvania?


Preventing college students from voting anywhere has been a strong goal of Republican suppression efforts for at least 40 years. Jiggling local rules so they couldn't vote at college because their 'home' was elsewhere, and couldn't vote absentee at 'home' because they were living in a dorm was going on when I was an undergrad in the 70's. And it was driven entirely by Republicans; Dems have traditionally been "let's register everybody but hope we're registering more of us than of them".
2012-08-04 09:43:36 AM  
1 vote:
Unless Pennsylvania is completely inhabited by pedophiles, I don't see how this affects Obama's position there.
2012-08-04 04:43:02 AM  
1 vote:
I know I'm late to the discussion, but meh, this is Fark...

The NCAA has let itself be distracted by Penn State martyring the legacy of one of its dead heroes in order to protect something even more precious to it: the money.

Vacating wins is something you do to someone who has cheated on the playing field. Taking down Paterno's statue is yet more attempts at deflecting blame onto a man who is dead and no longer able to defend himself - the perfect scapegoat for years of administrative malfeasance. The NCAA has let itself be distracted by a token sacrifice that costs the Penn State administrators nothing of note. Paterno's legacy has an asterisk by it? Who cares?? He's dead, and the whole country knows he was the best coach in college football history anyways, trying to say different is purest MiniTrue dreck.

The way to end this, now and for all time, is to hit Penn State where it actually makes a difference to administrators. Not in a four year Bowl ban - with Paterno gone it would have taken them that long to restore their recruiting program anyways. Not in vacating the wins of a dead man - he doesn't notice, it comes off petty as hell, and it's inappropriate anyways because his actions and inactions were not germane to the games played.

How many years were Penn State administrators covering up Sandusky's vile crimes? That's how many years of a Death Penalty they get. Not just Men's football either, since it's clear that they would have done much the same for anyone with sufficient profile regardless of the sport. No, every Penn State athletic program dies for as many years as their crimes were being committed. Let Penn State exist purely as an academic entity, since they clearly can't handle athletics and the money that comes with it without being corrupted by it. When as many years have passed as those children suffered by Penn State's coverup, THEN let them start trying to rebuild their names.

Let EVERY student-athlete walk away from Penn State with their honor intact, let them play for such teams as will have them. Let the student-athletes who could have had no part of the goings-on keep their honor - they assuredly did nothing wrong. Heck, even Paterno's legacy can keep its wins - he was the best college football coach ever to step on the field. He also oversaw the events that led to Penn State's downfall. Let *THAT* be his full legacy.
2012-08-04 03:07:22 AM  
1 vote:
i hear the PENNis State program does the best job in the Nation of turning Tight Ends into Wide Recievers.
2012-08-03 11:27:30 PM  
1 vote:

stiletto_the_wise: At least I can spell "administration."


If that's the best you can do, just concede and keep a shred of dignity intact.
2012-08-03 11:03:11 PM  
1 vote:

stiletto_the_wise: Not because a rogue staffmember was raping kids in one of the buildings. Leave that to the criminal justice system.


A "rogue staffmember" whose crimes were covered up by Paterno and members of the Penn State administration. A staffmemeber who was still given full access to the football programs facilities, games, etc, after he was forced to retire.

stiletto_the_wise: For a start, how about punishing the people who were actually covering up kiddie rape?


You mean like the members of the Penn State adminstation who were indicted by a state grand jury, who will be tried and (very likely) go to jail for their actions?

Are you trolling or stupid? Either way, you seem to know NOTHING of the facts of the case.
2012-08-03 10:49:57 PM  
1 vote:

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.

It would be nice if the actual people who covered up kiddie rape were punished, instead of random past and future student athletes.


Oh puleeze. Any star athlete can still go to any other school to be a star. And athletic scholarships are still awarded.

This was a systemic problem, a problem with the Penn State system itself. Not just the athletic program, but nearly every part of the school was too wrapped up in it's athletic program and allowed it to do evil things like letting boys get anally raped in showers and covering up. What they're done is taken the school athletic program and put a foot on it's neck, stopping it. Now what the school can do, because they can't achieve anything in sports for 4 years, is focus on the school itself. Re-prioritize their priorities.

Ya, some athletes are going to get the shaft i'm sure... but in 10 or 15 years, we'll hopefully all look back and see all the other good things the school has done instead during that time. Maybe they could excel in science and technology like MIT or Berkeley. Maybe it'll be business like Harvard, maybe law like Yale.

This was not just a football or athletic issue. It was a systemic problem with the school itself. The athletic program had sooo much power that even the president of the school feared upsetting the coaches, even when they raped little boys.

Do you know what an 8 or 9 year old boy looks like? Google it if you can't appreciate the size of a boy that young. Now imagine a large adult football coach raping him. There were witnesses, there were people that spoke out, and it was all covered up to the very top.
2012-08-03 10:47:12 PM  
1 vote:

stiletto_the_wise: mrshowrules: You are using bad analogies and comparisons because the reality is much harder to defend. The institution is be punished because it failed to fire/charge the bad people.

They're trying to punish an inanimate object ("The Institution") but all of the effects are falling squarely on past, current, and future student athletes, ALL of whom had nothing to do with the crime. It's hard to argue that they're not going directly after the students. Sure, vacating wins is just a symbolic punishment, but it's still hitting the wrong people. Killing scholarships and the football program for a bit is just petty, and totally mis-targeted.


They are an organization not unlike a company. When a person, company or organization is punished, it also hurts innocent people. The Boy Scouts have settled lawsuits for child molesters also. Large sums of money have been paid (normally sealed) that no doubt effected Boy Scout troops across the country that had nothing to do with the scandal.

Penn State should either be fined or not. That is a legal question. If they are to be fined, it must be a fine that really hurts commensurate with the seriousness of what they did. How ever you measure that.

I think the fine should be at least 10 times larger than the pain of dealing with the issue to begin with. If the organization (their trusted agents) had dealt with this properly at first. If they had dealt with the rape right at the beginning, it would have embarrassed them and would have had both direct an indirect impact to their revenues over the years. Perhaps, $10M for example. The fine/penalty must be much higher than that otherwise the incentives for other institutions to cover it up will remain as a sound business case (acceptable risk).
2012-08-03 10:45:48 PM  
1 vote:

GoldSpider: HighOnCraic: Is there a way to punish the people running the program without punishing the players?

Oh I dunno, maybe prosecute the people running the program and leave the players out of it?


You totally missed the point that when something like this happens everybody feels it. When the wrong doing was uncovered by Enron executives, the executives were punished, but everybody at the company and their families were affected also. When the wrong doing was uncovered at Arthur Anderson, not only did the executives that were convicted of wrongdoing feel it, but employees that had nothing to do with the wrong doing were affected. Were you arguing that those companies shouldn't face fines and sanctions because it would hurt the employees? I doubt it.

The way only way for people who aren't involved in any wrongdoing by higher ups in an organization not to be affected when the wrongdoers get caught is for the higher ups not to be complicate in any wrongdoing in the first place. Your anger for the students that are being "victimized" as you say because they don't have a good football team, or the ex-players that are "victimized" because their achievements were wiped from the record books should be pointed at the rapist, and the people at the school that covered for the rapist and allowed him to continue raping. Not with the NCAA for doing their job and doing what needed to be done.
2012-08-03 09:39:58 PM  
1 vote:

Krymson Tyde: How long until GOP spokespeople come out in opposition of Obama's stance on this?


Santorum already came out in support of the Penn State football program and against the boys who were abused. IIRC, he called Paterno a "victim".
2012-08-03 09:30:42 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your butthurt is nothing compared to that of those kids, subby


You are bad person and you should feel bad.
2012-08-03 09:27:41 PM  
1 vote:

magusdevil: shotglasss: Gotta remind you all again? The Democrats gave Gerry Studds a standing O after he raped young boys had a consensual relationship with another adult.

The fact that you don't know the difference between a consensual relationship and rape scares the shiat out of me.


I think he knows the difference, but tried to get away with a lie.

/Some of us are in that small demographic of people who are old enough to remember the 80s but no so old that we've forgotten things that happened back then.
2012-08-03 08:06:58 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: Virulency: my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years... you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...

don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.


Unless you're a Catholic priest.
2012-08-03 07:53:14 PM  
1 vote:

Virulency: my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years... you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...


It's a farking game.
2012-08-03 07:53:09 PM  
1 vote:

Virulency: you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...


Aww, poor 35-year-old ex-college-football players. Having to live with the knowledge that their sportsball victories are erased from the NCAA record book, and only still exist in the form of newspaper stories and videotapes and the public conscience!

Truly a worse fate than being sodomized by an elderly assistant coach.
2012-08-03 06:44:32 PM  
1 vote:
GOP: "We got nothin'"

Obama: "I got this."
2012-08-03 06:33:16 PM  
1 vote:

Rapmaster2000: Mitt believes the sanctions were inappropriate, but appropriate.


And you'd think he'd like all those wins being retroactively overturned. He likes that retroactive stuff.
2012-08-03 06:09:44 PM  
1 vote:
i got the joke, subby.
2012-08-03 06:09:30 PM  
1 vote:

Bag of Hammers: OK GOP, you're against Gay Marriage but for Child Molestation? WTF?


Wtf does one have to do with the other?
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-03 03:57:02 PM  
1 vote:
I think the pro-child rape part of PA wasn't going to vote for Obama anyway.
2012-08-03 03:42:23 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah... Not going to argue with the President in this one.
2012-08-03 03:28:05 PM  
1 vote:
There's a lot more to Pennsylvania than the Penn State area. Namely some large cities like Philidelphia and Pittsburgh.
2012-08-03 03:23:52 PM  
1 vote:

Coco LaFemme: Well, we already know that Penn State alum Rick Santorum thinks the sanctions were wrong, and that he defends Joe Paterno, so the bar that has been set for politicians re: the Penn State scandal is, "Don't be like Rick Santorum." Doesn't take much effort, but I applaud the President for recognizing that enabling the raping of children should be punished.


He's not Catholic.It's not a huge revelation for him.
2012-08-03 03:17:54 PM  
1 vote:
Well, we already know that Penn State alum Rick Santorum thinks the sanctions were wrong, and that he defends Joe Paterno, so the bar that has been set for politicians re: the Penn State scandal is, "Don't be like Rick Santorum." Doesn't take much effort, but I applaud the President for recognizing that enabling the raping of children should be punished.
 
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