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2012-08-03 02:54:46 PM  
FTFA: Obama, appearing on a Columbus, Ohio, sports talk radio show aired Thursday, was asked whether "the punishment fit the crime."

"I think it does," Obama said. "I mean, I have been a big admirer of Penn State football. Obviously Joe Paterno was a great football coach. But there are some things that are just more important than sports. And making sure our kids are safe is more important than sports."


History's greatest monster!
 
2012-08-03 02:56:06 PM  
last i checked, he was up 11 points in pennsylvania.

so long as the GOP voter suppression scheme is stopped by the courts (and it looks as if it will), obama will carry PA.
 
2012-08-03 03:01:47 PM  
 
2012-08-03 03:03:08 PM  
You make it sound like Obama's not used to opposition from large groups of ignorant farktards who feel outraged over ridiculous things.
 
2012-08-03 03:17:54 PM  
Well, we already know that Penn State alum Rick Santorum thinks the sanctions were wrong, and that he defends Joe Paterno, so the bar that has been set for politicians re: the Penn State scandal is, "Don't be like Rick Santorum." Doesn't take much effort, but I applaud the President for recognizing that enabling the raping of children should be punished.
 
2012-08-03 03:21:35 PM  
-10/10 subby.
 
2012-08-03 03:21:38 PM  
that part of the state isn't going to vote for him anyway. he just has to suck up to Pitt, Penn and the other schools in the cities
 
2012-08-03 03:23:52 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Well, we already know that Penn State alum Rick Santorum thinks the sanctions were wrong, and that he defends Joe Paterno, so the bar that has been set for politicians re: the Penn State scandal is, "Don't be like Rick Santorum." Doesn't take much effort, but I applaud the President for recognizing that enabling the raping of children should be punished.


He's not Catholic.It's not a huge revelation for him.
 
2012-08-03 03:26:17 PM  
Your butthurt is nothing compared to that of those kids, subby
 
2012-08-03 03:28:05 PM  
There's a lot more to Pennsylvania than the Penn State area. Namely some large cities like Philidelphia and Pittsburgh.
 
2012-08-03 03:29:09 PM  
Also, I don't know how voting works when you're out of state in college (I went to a school in the state I lived)... do most of these kids even vote in Pennsylvania?
 
2012-08-03 03:30:14 PM  

FlashHarry: last i checked, he was up 11 points in pennsylvania.

so long as the GOP voter suppression scheme is stopped by the courts (and it looks as if it will), obama will carry PA.


Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


Oh I wish Obama would carry one of the 3 Mormon States: Arizona, Utah or Idaho. It's a dream, but it'd be so awesome.
 
2012-08-03 03:32:26 PM  

downstairs: Also, I don't know how voting works when you're out of state in college (I went to a school in the state I lived)... do most of these kids even vote in Pennsylvania?


Don't quote me on this, but I believe you can either send in an absentee ballot for the state you live in, at the address were at before you went to school (your parents' house) OR you can register to vote in the state you go to school in, provided you have lived at that address at least 30 days prior to the election.
 
2012-08-03 03:34:26 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: that part of the state isn't going to vote for him anyway. he just has to suck up to Pitt, Penn and the other schools in the cities


Most of the students at Penn State are from Philadelphia or Pittsburgh and the surrounding suburbs. There are 40,000+ kids there and that kind of number does not exclusively come from central PA. We used to have a annual touch football game between the Philly and Pittsburgh kids to decide if soft drinks would be called soda or pop for the year. PSU also has about 500,000 alumni.

While I don't think Obama saying this will hurt his chances (I wouldn't not vote for him as an alumni and sure as hell wouldn't vote for Rick Santorum) it's wrong of confuse the local central PAers as exclusively alumni. Most are from the more populated areas of the state.
 
2012-08-03 03:41:10 PM  

Quasar: You make it sound like Obama's not used to opposition from large groups of ignorant farktards who feel outraged over ridiculous things.


Sheeut. I think he has a doctorate degree on the subject by now.
 
2012-08-03 03:42:23 PM  
Yeah... Not going to argue with the President in this one.
 
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2012-08-03 03:57:02 PM  
I think the pro-child rape part of PA wasn't going to vote for Obama anyway.
 
2012-08-03 03:58:06 PM  
Well I sincerely hope that the opponents of boy-butt-rape-enabling outnumber the "WAAAAAH!!! NO FOOTBALL?!?!?" crowd.
 
2012-08-03 03:59:27 PM  
How long until GOP spokespeople come out in opposition of Obama's stance on this?
 
2012-08-03 04:00:36 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Well I sincerely hope that the opponents of boy-butt-rape-enabling outnumber the "WAAAAAH!!! NO FOOTBALL?!?!?" crowd.


In Pennsylvania???!!
 
2012-08-03 04:10:26 PM  

Krymson Tyde: How long until GOP spokespeople come out in opposition of Obama's stance on this?


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2012-08-03 04:10:48 PM  

Krymson Tyde: How long until GOP spokespeople come out in opposition of Obama's stance on this?


I was hoping the same thing...the knee-jerk "Anything Obama says we're a'gin!" crowd will have neckerchief-slide dents on their balls before the Sunday talk shows.
 
2012-08-03 04:22:29 PM  

downstairs: Also, I don't know how voting works when you're out of state in college (I went to a school in the state I lived)... do most of these kids even vote in Pennsylvania?


Preventing college students from voting anywhere has been a strong goal of Republican suppression efforts for at least 40 years. Jiggling local rules so they couldn't vote at college because their 'home' was elsewhere, and couldn't vote absentee at 'home' because they were living in a dorm was going on when I was an undergrad in the 70's. And it was driven entirely by Republicans; Dems have traditionally been "let's register everybody but hope we're registering more of us than of them".
 
2012-08-03 04:44:23 PM  
Hmmm...

Muslims hate pigs.
Obama hates footballs.
Footballs are called pigskins.

WE'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS HERE, PEOPLE!
 
2012-08-03 04:44:31 PM  
great - now the GOP is going to have to take a pro-pedophila stance. as a rule, if Obama is in favor of something, the Republicans are against it. in this case, Obama is against pedo rape, which means the GOP have to be in favor of it.
 
2012-08-03 04:56:04 PM  
Good thing for him that all that voter suppression is going to be against those pissed off college kids!

Zing.
 
2012-08-03 05:36:30 PM  

Weaver95: great - now the GOP is going to have to take a pro-pedophila stance. as a rule, if Obama is in favor of something, the Republicans are against it. in this case, Obama is against pedo rape, which means the GOP have to be in favor of it.


upload.wikimedia.org

My friends, the Democrat Party claims to be the party of acceptance and openness, but those on the left would deny you the right to make love to a pre-teen boy in a public shower. Are you going to stand for the government telling you what to do?
 
2012-08-03 05:43:40 PM  
In other news, House Rpublicans immediately pass measure in support of kiddie diddling.
 
2012-08-03 05:50:39 PM  
Penn State fans sure talk a big game for a school that hasn't won a single game in 15 years.
 
2012-08-03 05:51:46 PM  

sprawl15: Penn State fans sure talk a big game for a school that hasn't won a single game in 15 years.


I had family that went to Penn State but that made me LOL hard.
 
2012-08-03 05:52:48 PM  
What we're all forgetting here is that now teams like Illinois and Minnesota have a team it can look down on now.
 
2012-08-03 05:54:23 PM  
OK GOP, you're against Gay Marriage but for Child Molestation? WTF?
 
2012-08-03 05:54:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: What we're all forgetting here is that now teams like Illinois and Minnesota have a team it can look down on now.


Illinois and Minnesota have both won bowl games in this CENTURY. Penn State? Nope.
 
2012-08-03 05:56:15 PM  
Honestly, Penn State got off light.
 
2012-08-03 05:56:24 PM  
OMFG the spin on this is almost as hysterical as the comments section of that article.

This gem is my favorite:

POSTED BY: SLICK RICK | AUGUST 3, 2012, 1:08 PM 1:08 PM

So, our President is okay with punishment being doled out without due process? He's okay that nothing has been proven, because the court cases are complete? He's okay with a former disgraced FBI director comes to conclusions not backed up by his "evidence"? Isn't he supposed to DEFEND due process?
Penn State did not violate any of the NCAA's rules. They didn't gain a competitive advantage. They didn't violate recruiting rules. This was NOT a football issue. It was a criminal issue. The NCAA had no jurisdiction.
And to take games away back to 1998 is ludicrous. Sandusky was NOT charged in that incident. The police (both University Park & State College) and the Centre County DA's office determined that no crime had been committed. Sandusky's statement & the boy's statement matched. If NO crime was committed, then why is Penn State being punished?
 
2012-08-03 05:58:25 PM  

downstairs: Also, I don't know how voting works when you're out of state in college (I went to a school in the state I lived)... do most of these kids even vote in Pennsylvania?


I registered in Ohio for 2004 when I went to Kent State so I could have a vote that actually mattered in a presidential election.
 
2012-08-03 05:58:59 PM  

BarnabusJ: OMFG the spin on this is almost as hysterical as the comments section of that article.

This gem is my favorite:

POSTED BY: SLICK RICK | AUGUST 3, 2012, 1:08 PM 1:08 PM

So, our President is okay with punishment being doled out without due process? He's okay that nothing has been proven, because the court cases are complete? He's okay with a former disgraced FBI director comes to conclusions not backed up by his "evidence"? Isn't he supposed to DEFEND due process?
Penn State did not violate any of the NCAA's rules. They didn't gain a competitive advantage. They didn't violate recruiting rules. This was NOT a football issue. It was a criminal issue. The NCAA had no jurisdiction.
And to take games away back to 1998 is ludicrous. Sandusky was NOT charged in that incident. The police (both University Park & State College) and the Centre County DA's office determined that no crime had been committed. Sandusky's statement & the boy's statement matched. If NO crime was committed, then why is Penn State being punished?


Hmmm...That's a TRWIBSVR. The Right-Wing Is Bad So Vote Republican.
 
2012-08-03 05:59:16 PM  
I hope this leads to a national farking a child in the shower appreciation day.
 
2012-08-03 06:00:32 PM  
subby: smiling like Dick Cheney through the butthurt
 
2012-08-03 06:02:12 PM  

sprawl15: Penn State fans sure talk a big game for a school that hasn't won a single game in 15 years.


Nice. +1
 
2012-08-03 06:04:53 PM  

gimmegimme: BarnabusJ: OMFG the spin on this is almost as hysterical as the comments section of that article.

This gem is my favorite:

POSTED BY: SLICK RICK | AUGUST 3, 2012, 1:08 PM 1:08 PM

So, our President is okay with punishment being doled out without due process? He's okay that nothing has been proven, because the court cases are complete? He's okay with a former disgraced FBI director comes to conclusions not backed up by his "evidence"? Isn't he supposed to DEFEND due process?
Penn State did not violate any of the NCAA's rules. They didn't gain a competitive advantage. They didn't violate recruiting rules. This was NOT a football issue. It was a criminal issue. The NCAA had no jurisdiction.
And to take games away back to 1998 is ludicrous. Sandusky was NOT charged in that incident. The police (both University Park & State College) and the Centre County DA's office determined that no crime had been committed. Sandusky's statement & the boy's statement matched. If NO crime was committed, then why is Penn State being punished?

Hmmm...That's a TRWIBSVR. The Right-Wing Is Bad So Vote Republican.


Well I would bet it's a Penn State fan be delusionally pro Penn State, not a right winger being delusionally anti-Obama. Could be both.
 
2012-08-03 06:05:04 PM  
Mitt Romney thinks it should be left up to the state to decide whether child rape is a big deal or not.
 
2012-08-03 06:05:56 PM  

sprawl15: Penn State fans sure talk a big game for a school that hasn't won a single game in 15 years.


Damn, I wish I had thought of that. Imma stealing it.
 
2012-08-03 06:06:42 PM  
Wow, I actually mostly agree with Obama. I understand why he can't say "give those arrogant child raping bastards the death penalty!"
 
2012-08-03 06:06:44 PM  
Even the biggest Penn State fan has to, in his heart of hearts, step back and realize that despite the severity of the punishment, it could have easily been worse. Much worse. And Obama isn't wrong in being for it - because it's politically untenable to be against it. Only an idiot would be against punishment for a school that covered up child abuse... thus, Rick Santorum, a person the people of PA quite simply hate.
 
2012-08-03 06:09:07 PM  

beta_plus: Wow, I actually mostly agree with Obama. I understand why he can't say "give those arrogant child raping bastards the death penalty!"


I love how the idea of agreeing with the President is so hateful to you that you had to add the qualifier.
 
2012-08-03 06:09:30 PM  

Bag of Hammers: OK GOP, you're against Gay Marriage but for Child Molestation? WTF?


Wtf does one have to do with the other?
 
2012-08-03 06:09:44 PM  
i got the joke, subby.
 
2012-08-03 06:10:07 PM  
I somehow don't think this will cause Obama to lose Pennsylvania.
 
2012-08-03 06:11:05 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


But can Romney win without Pennsylvania?
 
2012-08-03 06:11:17 PM  
The most amusing thing is I now expect Romney to announce he disagrees with the Penn State decision and Obama's endorsement of the violation of due process, as well as "Why is Obama delving into this instead of focusing on jobs!!!"

Will he fall into that trap.
 
2012-08-03 06:13:17 PM  

gimmegimme: beta_plus: Wow, I actually mostly agree with Obama. I understand why he can't say "give those arrogant child raping bastards the death penalty!"

I love how the idea of agreeing with the President is so hateful to you that you had to add the qualifier.


Stop covering up for child rapists like Lasaga and Neisworth, take a 4 year death penalty, and all will be forgiven.

See, it's a pretty simple answer to your problems.
 
2012-08-03 06:14:43 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Bag of Hammers: OK GOP, you're against Gay Marriage but for Child Molestation? WTF?

Wtf does one have to do with the other?


My point exactly
 
2012-08-03 06:15:18 PM  
For Romney to profit from this issue would require him to take a position on a hot issue. He doesn't do that. Ever. He literally has no opinion about anything other than tax relief for gazillionaires.
 
2012-08-03 06:16:15 PM  

Loucifer: For Romney to profit from this issue would require him to take a position on a hot issue. He doesn't do that. Ever. He literally has no opinion about anything other than tax relief for gazillionaires.


I wouldn't even give you that, because he's back tracked on that one as well!
 
2012-08-03 06:17:00 PM  

gimmegimme: Weaver95: great - now the GOP is going to have to take a pro-pedophila stance. as a rule, if Obama is in favor of something, the Republicans are against it. in this case, Obama is against pedo rape, which means the GOP have to be in favor of it.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x208]

My friends, the Democrat Party claims to be the party of acceptance and openness, but those on the left would deny you the right to make love to a pre-teen boy in a public shower. Are you going to stand for the government telling you what to do?


A) You are really farking sick, you should get help.

B) That was really farking funny

C) I feel bad for finding it so funny
 
2012-08-03 06:17:19 PM  
thetwist03.files.wordpress.com

"Why that settles it. I'm voting for Romney. Mhmmmm."
 
2012-08-03 06:17:32 PM  

beta_plus: gimmegimme: beta_plus: Wow, I actually mostly agree with Obama. I understand why he can't say "give those arrogant child raping bastards the death penalty!"

I love how the idea of agreeing with the President is so hateful to you that you had to add the qualifier.

Stop covering up for child rapists like Lasaga and Neisworth, take a 4 year death penalty, and all will be forgiven.

See, it's a pretty simple answer to your problems.


How is Obama responsible for this? Why does he need to be forgiven for this?

Oh....

ct.fra.bz
 
2012-08-03 06:19:52 PM  

Weaver95: great - now the GOP is going to have to take a pro-pedophila stance. as a rule, if Obama is in favor of something, the Republicans are against it. in this case, Obama is against pedo rape, which means the GOP have to be in favor of it.


Please, Obama, come out in favor of breathing air containing ~⅕ oxygen, drinking water, eating food, and having your heart continue beating!
 
2012-08-03 06:20:53 PM  
Mitt believes the sanctions were inappropriate, but appropriate.
 
2012-08-03 06:24:46 PM  

BarnabusJ: OMFG the spin on this is almost as hysterical as the comments section of that article.

This gem is my favorite:

POSTED BY: SLICK RICK | AUGUST 3, 2012, 1:08 PM 1:08 PM

So, our President is okay with punishment being doled out without due process? He's okay that nothing has been proven, because the court cases are complete? He's okay with a former disgraced FBI director comes to conclusions not backed up by his "evidence"? Isn't he supposed to DEFEND due process?
Penn State did not violate any of the NCAA's rules. They didn't gain a competitive advantage. They didn't violate recruiting rules. This was NOT a football issue. It was a criminal issue. The NCAA had no jurisdiction.
And to take games away back to 1998 is ludicrous. Sandusky was NOT charged in that incident. The police (both University Park & State College) and the Centre County DA's office determined that no crime had been committed. Sandusky's statement & the boy's statement matched. If NO crime was committed, then why is Penn State being punished?


I suppose IHBT, but wow. I can't believe how they want to keep talking about this and keep trying to convince someone that Penn State go jobbed. Learn something from your Lancaster Co brethren: STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.
 
2012-08-03 06:28:29 PM  
Well that just locked in Mitt with the child molester demographic.
 
2012-08-03 06:29:50 PM  
Good on him.


/Burn in hell, Paterno. You farking coward.
 
2012-08-03 06:30:47 PM  
I hope there are no dressage horse sex scandals on the horizon.
 
2012-08-03 06:31:52 PM  

jayhawk88: BarnabusJ: OMFG the spin on this is almost as hysterical as the comments section of that article.

This gem is my favorite:

POSTED BY: SLICK RICK | AUGUST 3, 2012, 1:08 PM 1:08 PM

So, our President is okay with punishment being doled out without due process? He's okay that nothing has been proven, because the court cases are complete? He's okay with a former disgraced FBI director comes to conclusions not backed up by his "evidence"? Isn't he supposed to DEFEND due process?
Penn State did not violate any of the NCAA's rules. They didn't gain a competitive advantage. They didn't violate recruiting rules. This was NOT a football issue. It was a criminal issue. The NCAA had no jurisdiction.
And to take games away back to 1998 is ludicrous. Sandusky was NOT charged in that incident. The police (both University Park & State College) and the Centre County DA's office determined that no crime had been committed. Sandusky's statement & the boy's statement matched. If NO crime was committed, then why is Penn State being punished?

I suppose IHBT, but wow. I can't believe how they want to keep talking about this and keep trying to convince someone that Penn State go jobbed. Learn something from your Lancaster Co brethren: STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.


I really didn't have an opinion about Penn State at all before this and now I wish they had closed the school for good and I hope billion dollar judgements burn it down and salt the earth. It's obvious that the culture of moral corruption there is rooted in too deep to fix. The whole "We Are Penn State" thing reminds me of nothing else but "Hail Hydra!"
 
2012-08-03 06:33:16 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Mitt believes the sanctions were inappropriate, but appropriate.


And you'd think he'd like all those wins being retroactively overturned. He likes that retroactive stuff.
 
2012-08-03 06:35:03 PM  

Gwendolyn: Dead for Tax Reasons: that part of the state isn't going to vote for him anyway. he just has to suck up to Pitt, Penn and the other schools in the cities

Most of the students at Penn State are from Philadelphia or Pittsburgh and the surrounding suburbs. There are 40,000+ kids there and that kind of number does not exclusively come from central PA. We used to have a annual touch football game between the Philly and Pittsburgh kids to decide if soft drinks would be called soda or pop for the year. PSU also has about 500,000 alumni.

While I don't think Obama saying this will hurt his chances (I wouldn't not vote for him as an alumni and sure as hell wouldn't vote for Rick Santorum) it's wrong of confuse the local central PAers as exclusively alumni. Most are from the more populated areas of the state.


And then there's the fact that the only people truly, truly disagreeing with Obama on anything he actually said are the ones that need help. And unlike what you hear on FARK, those scary dumbasses are few and far between. There are far more people who would gladly pay to fly a banner promising vigilante action if a statue isn't torn down (y'know, for the children) than there are people that are actually defending child rape in this situation.
 
2012-08-03 06:44:32 PM  
GOP: "We got nothin'"

Obama: "I got this."
 
2012-08-03 06:47:16 PM  

Fart_Machine: Well that just locked in Mitt with the child molester demographic.


I thought the Catholic church was already behind him?
 
2012-08-03 06:50:11 PM  
Seriously, subby? White-knighting for Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky? Really?
 
2012-08-03 06:50:21 PM  
All kidding aside, 0bummer doesn't need Pennsylvania or Florida if he carries all the other states he did in 2008
 
2012-08-03 06:52:17 PM  
This site is getting intolerable.

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2012-08-03 07:00:35 PM  
Yeah, not thinking a lot of PA voters are going to vehemently disagree with the President's assertion that the prevention of child rape probably needs to be prioritized over college sports a little bit. Not really a controversial sound-bite he's got going there.

//Well, I guess he's probably lost the NAMBLA vote, but that's about it.
 
2012-08-03 07:08:31 PM  
If anyone is against Obama's quote, I would ask them why they are pro-pedophile?
 
2012-08-03 07:09:24 PM  
He's just daring the Republicans to oppose it.
 
2012-08-03 07:09:33 PM  
I live in PA. I haven't heard anyone complain that the sanctions were too tough. Not even PSU.
 
2012-08-03 07:09:37 PM  

gimmegimme: beta_plus: gimmegimme: beta_plus: Wow, I actually mostly agree with Obama. I understand why he can't say "give those arrogant child raping bastards the death penalty!"

I love how the idea of agreeing with the President is so hateful to you that you had to add the qualifier.

Stop covering up for child rapists like Lasaga and Neisworth, take a 4 year death penalty, and all will be forgiven.

See, it's a pretty simple answer to your problems.

How is Obama responsible for this? Why does he need to be forgiven for this?

Oh....

[ct.fra.bz image 480x376]


Your butt hurt is causing your inner retard to show.
 
2012-08-03 07:09:56 PM  
Does this mean Rush will be extolling the virtues of the humble rent boy on Monday's show?
 
2012-08-03 07:12:20 PM  
Given how what Penn State did was a universally horrible thing, both sides of the political spectrum should agree that it was in fact bad.

Somehow, Obama's backing of the sanctions will be seen as a bad thing.
 
2012-08-03 07:16:26 PM  

beta_plus: gimmegimme: beta_plus: gimmegimme: beta_plus: Wow, I actually mostly agree with Obama. I understand why he can't say "give those arrogant child raping bastards the death penalty!"

I love how the idea of agreeing with the President is so hateful to you that you had to add the qualifier.

Stop covering up for child rapists like Lasaga and Neisworth, take a 4 year death penalty, and all will be forgiven.

See, it's a pretty simple answer to your problems.

How is Obama responsible for this? Why does he need to be forgiven for this?

Oh....

[ct.fra.bz image 480x376]

Your butt hurt is causing your inner retard to show.


So Obama ISN'T responsible for the pederasts at Pedo State. I'll accept your apology as a retraction.
 
2012-08-03 07:16:51 PM  
Gender issue. Obama's strength is with female voters, so stick with a pro-family stance.

Romney's strength is with white men, and nearly all of the pro-Paterno crowd are white guys.

Its mere convenience that the politics also align for Obama with whats morally right, so he might as well speak out. When/if they don't, a smart pol knows to STFU.

Unlike, say, Santorum.
 
2012-08-03 07:17:58 PM  
Hey, GOP -- Obama said today that suicide should not be considered a personal right.

Honest-to-god.
 
2012-08-03 07:18:53 PM  

gimmegimme: pederasts


What's a pederast?
 
2012-08-03 07:19:00 PM  
Seabon:

I live in PA. I haven't heard anyone complain that the sanctions were too tough. Not even PSU.

/ the Paterno™ family laughs at your lame trolling attempt
 
2012-08-03 07:20:35 PM  

qorkfiend: Seriously, subby? White-knighting for Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky? Really?


Not subby, but please point out where he's white-knighting either of them. And no, his opinion that Obama saying that the punishments to PSU so far are justified will lose him the state of Pennsylvania doesn't count.
 
2012-08-03 07:20:51 PM  

Seabon: I live in PA. I haven't heard anyone complain that the sanctions were too tough. Not even PSU.


I'm sure this guy has an opinion on that.

thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com

/hot like the fork-cliff used to carry away the statue
 
2012-08-03 07:22:50 PM  
Now all Mitt has to do is come out in favor of child molesters, and...BOOM...electoral gold!
 
2012-08-03 07:25:32 PM  
Look, even if Subby was right and this did hurt Obama in Pennsylvania, I don't care. It was the right thing to do and he did it.
 
2012-08-03 07:26:54 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Seabon:

I live in PA. I haven't heard anyone complain that the sanctions were too tough. Not even PSU.

/ the Paterno™ family laughs at your lame trolling attempt


I meant personally. Like at the water cooler.
 
2012-08-03 07:41:53 PM  
my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years... you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...
 
2012-08-03 07:46:51 PM  

Virulency: my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years...


Yeah? Well my complaint about the scandal is that kids got molested.
 
2012-08-03 07:51:06 PM  
Siding with child molesters is what Santorum did...

It's a safe bet that anything Santorum is doing, the opposite is the proper, decent, and moral course.
 
2012-08-03 07:53:09 PM  

Virulency: you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...


Aww, poor 35-year-old ex-college-football players. Having to live with the knowledge that their sportsball victories are erased from the NCAA record book, and only still exist in the form of newspaper stories and videotapes and the public conscience!

Truly a worse fate than being sodomized by an elderly assistant coach.
 
2012-08-03 07:53:14 PM  

Virulency: my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years... you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...


It's a farking game.
 
2012-08-03 07:56:59 PM  

Virulency: my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years... you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...


Really?

First of all, what did "every supporter for all those teams" achieve? Yeah, you watched some football games and presumably had some good times doing so. Not exactly an achivement, but good for you. Do you think the NCAA is going to send some guys over with a Men In Black flashy thing to erase those memories?

And for the pople who actually did play, do you think they are going to lose their degrees they earned on football scholarships? Will they lose their jobs now? I don't think so.
 
2012-08-03 08:00:17 PM  

Virulency: my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years... you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...


don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.
 
2012-08-03 08:06:58 PM  

Weaver95: Virulency: my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years... you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...

don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.


Unless you're a Catholic priest.
 
2012-08-03 08:09:53 PM  

LordJiro: Weaver95: Virulency: my complaint about this scandal is, what about every athlete and every supporter for all the teams that played for those years... you just wiped their achievement as well and they were innocent/unknowing of it... better we sacrifice all the innocent players to get that one guilty guy...

don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.

Unless you're a Catholic priest.


well...no. Pennsylvania just recently threw a Catholic priest into a jail cell because of covering up kiddie rape.
 
2012-08-03 08:12:06 PM  
So, are the fools who lined up around the block for Chick-Fil-A going to do the same thing at their local grade school now?
 
2012-08-03 08:13:09 PM  

mainstreet62: sprawl15: Penn State fans sure talk a big game for a school that hasn't won a single game in 15 years.

Nice. +1


+eleventy. Welcome to me favs.
 
2012-08-03 08:31:45 PM  
Nobody can carry it, it has an awful panhandle.
 
2012-08-03 08:34:33 PM  

Mrtraveler01: gimmegimme: pederasts

What's a pederast?


Remember, friend, you asked:

pederast: one who practices anal intercourse especially with a boy

Origin of PEDERAST:
Greek paiderastēs, literally, lover of boys, from paid- ped- + erastēs lover, from erasthai to love - more at eros
First Known Use: circa 1736


Rhymes with PEDERAST:
acid-fast, captain's mast, chiliast, cineast, colorfast, flabbergast, fore-topmast, hard-and-fast, main-topmast, mizzenmast, opencast

See for yourself. The definition, of course. Not actual pederasty.
 
2012-08-03 08:36:00 PM  

Weaver95: well...no. Pennsylvania just recently threw a Catholic priest into a jail cell because of covering up kiddie rape.


Coincidence. He was really thrown in a jail cell because of bribes from PA's private prisons.
 
2012-08-03 08:52:09 PM  
Gotta remind you all again? The Democrats gave Gerry Studds a standing O after he raped young boys.
 
2012-08-03 08:52:31 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: well...no. Pennsylvania just recently threw a Catholic priest into a jail cell because of covering up kiddie rape.

Coincidence. He was really thrown in a jail cell because of bribes from PA's private prisons.


mafiatoday.com

Hi. I'm Mark Ciavarella. I was once a judge in Pennsylvania who would send kids to a private prison for months on end because they, say, threw a cooked steak at their stepfather. I was obviously accepting bribes from the folks who run the private prisons who also donate money to politicians in order to secure the contracts. I am a Republican. I am the 99%.
 
2012-08-03 08:54:42 PM  

shotglasss: Gotta remind you all again? The Democrats gave Gerry Studds a standing O after he raped young boys.


You have a rich fantasy life.
 
2012-08-03 08:55:23 PM  

gimmegimme: Weaver95: great - now the GOP is going to have to take a pro-pedophila stance. as a rule, if Obama is in favor of something, the Republicans are against it. in this case, Obama is against pedo rape, which means the GOP have to be in favor of it.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x208]

My friends, the Democrat Party claims to be the party of acceptance and openness, but those on the left would deny you the right to make love to a pre-teen boy in a public shower. Are you going to stand for the government telling you what to do?


Now, now don't...give...Romney...any ideas....

Oh fark it, even if he does do this it'll just prove he's phoning this race in.
 
2012-08-03 09:03:50 PM  

Weaver95: don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.


It would be nice if the actual people who covered up kiddie rape were punished, instead of random past and future student athletes.
 
2012-08-03 09:05:21 PM  

gimmegimme: Mrtraveler01: gimmegimme: pederasts

What's a pederast?

Remember, friend, you asked:

pederast: one who practices anal intercourse especially with a boy

Origin of PEDERAST:
Greek paiderastēs, literally, lover of boys, from paid- ped- + erastēs lover, from erasthai to love - more at eros
First Known Use: circa 1736


Rhymes with PEDERAST:
acid-fast, captain's mast, chiliast, cineast, colorfast, flabbergast, fore-topmast, hard-and-fast, main-topmast, mizzenmast, opencast

See for yourself. The definition, of course. Not actual pederasty.


I was trying to make a Big Lebowski reference but I think I botched the quote. :P
 
2012-08-03 09:07:29 PM  

shotglasss: Gotta remind you all again? The Democrats gave Gerry Studds a standing O after he raped young boys.


It's as though trolls don't realize that people are reading their drivel on the internet, where facts can be looked up fairly quickly.

On July 14, 1983 the House Ethics Committee recommended that Rep. Dan Crane (R-IL) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA) be reprimanded for having engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages.[1] Washington, D.C., law specifies an age of consent of 16, meaning that the relationships were legal;[2] however the committee felt "any sexual relationship between a member of the House of Representatives and a congressional page, or any sexual advance by a member to a page, represents a serious breach of duty." The Congressional Report found that in 1980, a year after entering office, Crane had sex four or five times at his suburban apartment with a female page and in 1973, the year he entered office, Studds invited a male page, who testified he felt no ill will towards Studds, to his Georgetown apartment and later on a two-week trip to Portugal. Both representatives admitted to the charges.[3]

On July 20, 1983, the House voted by a supermajority to revise the reprimand recommendation to censure, a more extreme measure. Censure had never previously been used in a case of sexual misconduct. The motion to censure the two House members was introduced by Rep. Robert H. Michel (R-IL), the Republican House Minority Leader. Aides later said that Michel proposed this bill to head off a move by Republicans to expel the two legislators.[4] Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) was one of the leaders of the calls for the expulsion of Crane and Studds.[5]

Now, which party controlled 62.5% of the House of Representatives that year?


/The fact that Newt was leading the charge is my favorite part of the story.
 
2012-08-03 09:08:25 PM  
Yep, Romney's got the pro-pedo vote sewn up!
 
2012-08-03 09:12:07 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.

It would be nice if the actual people who covered up kiddie rape were punished, instead of random past and future student athletes.


What. If you went there, you no longer have the memories of playing a game?

And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?
 
2012-08-03 09:15:35 PM  

Marshal805: /Burn in hell, Paterno. You farking coward.


Paterno Sandusky was blowing Sandusky Paterno in the off-season. (Like he did to at least one college-age teen...)

/and people wonder why Paterno said nothing...
//the more you know
///lemon party dot org, anyone?
 
2012-08-03 09:17:13 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?


and...you can't get traction with your claims because you said 'something' to the administration, and they promised to look into it...and then you never heard from them again, Sandusky stopped calling you, and you either graduated or dropped out of Penn State from sheer grief?
 
2012-08-03 09:21:34 PM  

shotglasss: Gotta remind you all again? The Democrats gave Gerry Studds a standing O after he raped young boys had a consensual relationship with another adult.


The fact that you don't know the difference between a consensual relationship and rape scares the shiat out of me.
 
2012-08-03 09:24:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: What we're all forgetting here is that now teams like Illinois and Minnesota have a team it can look down on now.


Indiana and Purdue have far less to look forward to than the Illini; at least most of them can mark it as a 'W'. Maybe this humbles PSU into playing Pitt again.

/JoePa essentially cancelled that rivalry like a coward.
 
2012-08-03 09:27:41 PM  

magusdevil: shotglasss: Gotta remind you all again? The Democrats gave Gerry Studds a standing O after he raped young boys had a consensual relationship with another adult.

The fact that you don't know the difference between a consensual relationship and rape scares the shiat out of me.


I think he knows the difference, but tried to get away with a lie.

/Some of us are in that small demographic of people who are old enough to remember the 80s but no so old that we've forgotten things that happened back then.
 
2012-08-03 09:28:46 PM  

magusdevil: shotglasss: Gotta remind you all again? The Democrats gave Gerry Studds a standing O after he raped young boys had a consensual relationship with another adult.

The fact that you don't know the difference between a consensual relationship and rape scares the shiat out of me.


But the fact that he's obsessing over an act of man-love that happened over 30 years ago kind of amuses me.
 
2012-08-03 09:29:52 PM  

gingerjet: Seabon: I live in PA. I haven't heard anyone complain that the sanctions were too tough. Not even PSU.

I'm sure this guy has an opinion on that.

[thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com image 850x635]

/hot like the fork-cliff used to carry away the statue


Heh. Guy looks like a reject from It's Always Sunny. I'm really hoping they do an episode on this.
 
2012-08-03 09:30:42 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your butthurt is nothing compared to that of those kids, subby


You are bad person and you should feel bad.
 
2012-08-03 09:39:58 PM  

Krymson Tyde: How long until GOP spokespeople come out in opposition of Obama's stance on this?


Santorum already came out in support of the Penn State football program and against the boys who were abused. IIRC, he called Paterno a "victim".
 
2012-08-03 09:45:08 PM  

Seabon: I live in PA. I haven't heard anyone complain that the sanctions were too tough. Not even PSU.


The only problem I have is with vacating the wins. That's only appropriate as a punishment for cheating by the team/players.
 
2012-08-03 09:45:27 PM  

MisterRonbo: Unlike, say, Santorum.


Santorum is a homosexual homophobe, absolutely no doubt in my mind. He is so sexually aroused at the thought of homosexual mansecks that it's on his mind constantly, and he brings it up every opportunity he can.

/Santorum footjob in airport bathroom in 5...4...3...
//jesus was homosexual, promoted peacefulness with homosexuals, was executed for it
///OHHHHH it all makes sense now, traveling with 12 dudes...
 
2012-08-03 09:46:50 PM  

GoldSpider: The only problem I have is with vacating the wins. That's only appropriate as a punishment for cheating by the team/players.


they're not cheating the players, they're cheating the school. If those kids are that DETERMINED to play post-season college football... they can transfer to another school.

/i just shot my load all over your argument, what are you gonna do about it?
 
2012-08-03 09:48:13 PM  

HighOnCraic: magusdevil: shotglasss: Gotta remind you all again? The Democrats gave Gerry Studds a standing O after he raped young boys had a consensual relationship with another adult.

The fact that you don't know the difference between a consensual relationship and rape scares the shiat out of me.

I think he knows the difference, but tried to get away with a lie.

/Some of us are in that small demographic of people who are old enough to remember the 80s but no so old that we've forgotten things that happened back then.


Yeah, but old folks are all conservative Tea Baggers. I read it on Fark.
 
2012-08-03 09:50:43 PM  

urban.derelict: GoldSpider: The only problem I have is with vacating the wins. That's only appropriate as a punishment for cheating by the team/players.

they're not cheating the players, they're cheating the school. If those kids are that DETERMINED to play post-season college football... they can transfer to another school.

/i just shot my load all over your argument, what are you gonna do about it?


If that's all you've got, I'd see a doctor.
 
2012-08-03 09:50:56 PM  

Gwendolyn: Dead for Tax Reasons: that part of the state isn't going to vote for him anyway. he just has to suck up to Pitt, Penn and the other schools in the cities

Most of the students at Penn State are from Philadelphia or Pittsburgh and the surrounding suburbs. There are 40,000+ kids there and that kind of number does not exclusively come from central PA. We used to have a annual touch football game between the Philly and Pittsburgh kids to decide if soft drinks would be called soda or pop for the year.


Really??? That's awesome. I never heard of such a thing during my time up here
/BS '09, MS '11, PhD '??
//Soda > pop
 
2012-08-03 09:52:58 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?


Why didn't they shut down the Engineering classes too? That would REALLY punish the University. I mean, if people wanted to study Engineering, they can just go to a different school after all.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DEFEND KIDDIE RAPE, DO YOU? SHUT DOWN ENGINEERING!
 
2012-08-03 10:07:02 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Lenny_da_Hog: And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?

Why didn't they shut down the Engineering classes too? That would REALLY punish the University. I mean, if people wanted to study Engineering, they can just go to a different school after all.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DEFEND KIDDIE RAPE, DO YOU? SHUT DOWN ENGINEERING!


If the engineering faculty was hiding child rape, that would be OK.
 
2012-08-03 10:08:42 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Lenny_da_Hog: And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?

Why didn't they shut down the Engineering classes too? That would REALLY punish the University. I mean, if people wanted to study Engineering, they can just go to a different school after all.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DEFEND KIDDIE RAPE, DO YOU? SHUT DOWN ENGINEERING!


So you're telling me the head of the engineering department was diddling kids, too? How come that's not in the news?
 
2012-08-03 10:09:40 PM  

urban.derelict: they're not cheating the players, they're cheating the school. If those kids are that DETERMINED to play post-season college football... they can transfer to another school.

/i just shot my load all over your argument, what are you gonna do about it?


No it punishes the players who played in those wins that were vacated.

How would you feel if someone tried to tell you the work you did over the past 13 years didn't happen and didn't count because your boss was a crooked?
 
2012-08-03 10:12:41 PM  

GoldSpider: urban.derelict: they're not cheating the players, they're cheating the school. If those kids are that DETERMINED to play post-season college football... they can transfer to another school.

/i just shot my load all over your argument, what are you gonna do about it?

No it punishes the players who played in those wins that were vacated.

How would you feel if someone tried to tell you the work you did over the past 13 years didn't happen and didn't count because your boss was a crooked?


I'd probably be more concerned about the fact that my boss was a pedophile, but I've got weird priorities like that.
 
2012-08-03 10:12:51 PM  

mrshowrules: stiletto_the_wise: Lenny_da_Hog: And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?

Why didn't they shut down the Engineering classes too? That would REALLY punish the University. I mean, if people wanted to study Engineering, they can just go to a different school after all.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DEFEND KIDDIE RAPE, DO YOU? SHUT DOWN ENGINEERING!

If the engineering faculty was hiding child rape, that would be OK.


No, actually it wouldn't be OK. What ever happened to punishing the bad people?

If your boss was raping kids, and his boss covered it up, should they fire you and all your co-workers to punish the company? Does that sound right?
 
2012-08-03 10:14:04 PM  

magusdevil: I'd probably be more concerned about the fact that my boss was a pedophile, but I've got weird priorities like that.


Do you routinely punish yourself for the wrongdoings of others? There's got to be a clinical name for that kind of defect...
 
2012-08-03 10:14:47 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: mrshowrules: stiletto_the_wise: Lenny_da_Hog: And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?

Why didn't they shut down the Engineering classes too? That would REALLY punish the University. I mean, if people wanted to study Engineering, they can just go to a different school after all.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DEFEND KIDDIE RAPE, DO YOU? SHUT DOWN ENGINEERING!

If the engineering faculty was hiding child rape, that would be OK.

No, actually it wouldn't be OK. What ever happened to punishing the bad people?

If your boss was raping kids, and his boss covered it up, should they fire you and all your co-workers to punish the company? Does that sound right?


Is that what happened? Those kids all lost their college degrees? My god, that's horrible.
 
2012-08-03 10:15:58 PM  

magusdevil: So you're telling me the head of the engineering department was diddling kids, too? How come that's not in the news?


It doesn't matter. KIDDIE RAPE. Punish everyone, right?!
 
2012-08-03 10:16:48 PM  

GoldSpider: magusdevil: I'd probably be more concerned about the fact that my boss was a pedophile, but I've got weird priorities like that.

Do you routinely punish yourself for the wrongdoings of others? There's got to be a clinical name for that kind of defect...


I read your posts, that feels like I'm being punished for your bad logic.
 
2012-08-03 10:17:38 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: magusdevil: So you're telling me the head of the engineering department was diddling kids, too? How come that's not in the news?

It doesn't matter. KIDDIE RAPE. Punish everyone, right?!


You're solution? KIDDIE RAPE. Slap some wrists, right?
 
2012-08-03 10:18:52 PM  

magusdevil: I read your posts, that feels like I'm being punished for your bad logic.


I think Goldspider should lose any college scholarships he might have, because someone, somewhere, unrelated to him, is RAPING KIDS. Won't someone think of the kids?
 
2012-08-03 10:18:55 PM  

Nadie_AZ: FlashHarry: last i checked, he was up 11 points in pennsylvania.

so long as the GOP voter suppression scheme is stopped by the courts (and it looks as if it will), obama will carry PA.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link

Oh I wish Obama would carry one of the 3 Mormon States: Arizona, Utah or Idaho. It's a dream, but it'd be so awesome.


Arizona and Idaho are "Mormon" states too now?
 
2012-08-03 10:19:35 PM  

magusdevil: You're solution? KIDDIE RAPE. Slap some wrists, right?


For a start, how about punishing the people who were actually covering up kiddie rape?
 
2012-08-03 10:20:20 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: magusdevil: I read your posts, that feels like I'm being punished for your bad logic.

I think Goldspider should lose any college scholarships he might have, because someone, somewhere, unrelated to him, is RAPING KIDS. Won't someone think of the kids?


What do you think should've been the appropriate response from the NCAA?
 
2012-08-03 10:20:40 PM  

magusdevil: You're solution? KIDDIE RAPE. Slap some wrists, right?


Sending a few random alumni to jail ought to help too. They were THERE*!!!

* - In the 16802 zip code
 
2012-08-03 10:20:57 PM  

magusdevil: Is that what happened? Those kids all lost their college degrees? My god, that's horrible.


Nothing should happen to those students. You know why? Because none of them (that we know) raped anyone or covered up rape.
 
2012-08-03 10:21:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: What do you think should've been the appropriate response from the NCAA?


They should have invaded Iraq. Would have made as much sense as withdrawing scholarships from unrelated students.
 
2012-08-03 10:21:53 PM  

GoldSpider: urban.derelict: they're not cheating the players, they're cheating the school. If those kids are that DETERMINED to play post-season college football... they can transfer to another school.

/i just shot my load all over your argument, what are you gonna do about it?

No it punishes the players who played in those wins that were vacated.

How would you feel if someone tried to tell you the work you did over the past 13 years didn't happen and didn't count because your boss was a crooked?


Depending on where you work, if your boss covers up a horrible crime and it becomes public, it will have a bad affect on the company you work for; people may stop buying your products or doing business with your company. It may not be your fault, but you will feel the consequences.

Is there a way to punish the people running the program without punishing the players?
 
2012-08-03 10:23:40 PM  

Weaver95: great - now the GOP is going to have to take a pro-pedophila stance. as a rule, if Obama is in favor of something, the Republicans are against it. in this case, Obama is against pedo rape, which means the GOP have to be in favor of it.


Exactly what I was thinking.
 
2012-08-03 10:23:42 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Mrtraveler01: What do you think should've been the appropriate response from the NCAA?

They should have invaded Iraq. Would have made as much sense as withdrawing scholarships from unrelated students.


It's punishing the school not the students. That's why a few of them are bailing Penn State for greener pastures.

Sorry but I don't feel sorry for the football program. shiat like this requires more than a slap on the wrist.
 
2012-08-03 10:24:05 PM  

HighOnCraic: Is there a way to punish the people running the program without punishing the players?


Oh I dunno, maybe prosecute the people running the program and leave the players out of it?
 
2012-08-03 10:25:58 PM  

magusdevil: stiletto_the_wise: mrshowrules: stiletto_the_wise: Lenny_da_Hog: And if you're a "future" athlete, you can't go to a different school if playing a game is so important to you?

Why didn't they shut down the Engineering classes too? That would REALLY punish the University. I mean, if people wanted to study Engineering, they can just go to a different school after all.

YOU DON'T WANT TO DEFEND KIDDIE RAPE, DO YOU? SHUT DOWN ENGINEERING!

If the engineering faculty was hiding child rape, that would be OK.

No, actually it wouldn't be OK. What ever happened to punishing the bad people?

If your boss was raping kids, and his boss covered it up, should they fire you and all your co-workers to punish the company? Does that sound right?

Is that what happened? Those kids all lost their college degrees? My god, that's horrible.


You are using bad analogies and comparisons because the reality is much harder to defend. The institution is be punished because it failed to fire/charge the bad people. Sports was put before the safety of children. Children's safety was in fact sacrificed to protect the institution. The institution should be punished and if people suffer because of their connection to the institute that is unfortunate but could have been prevented by the institution itself.

If I murder someone and go to prison, my wife and kids will suffer horribly but that is the way the cookie crumbles. It was my responsibility. Penn State failed in its responsibility and are directly responsible for all the pain and suffering.
 
2012-08-03 10:26:24 PM  

GoldSpider: HighOnCraic: Is there a way to punish the people running the program without punishing the players?

Oh I dunno, maybe prosecute the people running the program and leave the players out of it?


I agree that should be done, but do you think that the football program should've been spared?
 
2012-08-03 10:27:19 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Sorry but I don't feel sorry for the football program. shiat like this requires more than a slap on the wrist.


You don't cure brain cancer by cutting off the patient's head.
 
2012-08-03 10:27:41 PM  

mrshowrules: If I murder someone and go to prison, my wife and kids will suffer horribly but that is the way the cookie crumbles. It was my responsibility. Penn State failed in its responsibility and are directly responsible for all the pain and suffering.


Thank you. It's been a long day.
 
2012-08-03 10:28:20 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I agree that should be done, but do you think that the football program should've been spared?


I think the football program could have been impacted without taking away the accomplishments of those past teams' players.
 
2012-08-03 10:29:47 PM  

GoldSpider: Mrtraveler01: Sorry but I don't feel sorry for the football program. shiat like this requires more than a slap on the wrist.

You don't cure brain cancer by cutting off the patient's head.


Its not brain cancer, it's leprosy, and we're not just trying to save the patient, we're trying to protect society.
 
2012-08-03 10:29:51 PM  

GoldSpider: Mrtraveler01: Sorry but I don't feel sorry for the football program. shiat like this requires more than a slap on the wrist.

You don't cure brain cancer by cutting off the patient's head.


I'll ask this. Do you think the NCAA should've spared the football program from any punishment?

I think that Curley and Spainer, and all of them should be dragged through the mud and thrown in the gallows as well but I agree that the NCAA had to punish the program in some shape or form.

Surprised they were that harsh with it.
 
2012-08-03 10:31:39 PM  

GoldSpider: Mrtraveler01: I agree that should be done, but do you think that the football program should've been spared?

I think the football program could have been impacted without taking away the accomplishments of those past teams' players.


I can understand that. But I think that part of the punishment was more of an FU to Joe Paterno and his winningest coach record more than anything else.
 
2012-08-03 10:31:52 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I'll ask this. Do you think the NCAA should've spared the football program from any punishment?


See my last post (and others): I'm OK with all of the sanctions except for the vacated wins.
 
2012-08-03 10:32:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: But I think that part of the punishment was more of an FU to Joe Paterno and his winningest coach record more than anything else.


That's absolutely what it was, and it was utterly arbitrary and vindictive. That's not justice.
 
2012-08-03 10:33:30 PM  
The people insisting that the sanctions are too harsh bring to mind this quote:
"He reminds me of the man who murdered both his parents, and then when sentence was about to be pronounced pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan" - Abraham Lincoln
 
2012-08-03 10:34:13 PM  

GoldSpider: HighOnCraic: Is there a way to punish the people running the program without punishing the players?

Oh I dunno, maybe prosecute the people running the program and leave the players out of it?


How do you strip Paterno of the wins without stripping them from the students? I'm torn about the losse of ten scholarships; does that apply to existing students, or does it just mean they have ten less to offer to future students?

/If Paterno had done a better job of protecting kids, the students in his program wouldn't have suffered.
 
2012-08-03 10:34:52 PM  

GoldSpider: Mrtraveler01: But I think that part of the punishment was more of an FU to Joe Paterno and his winningest coach record more than anything else.

That's absolutely what it was, and it was utterly arbitrary and vindictive. That's not justice.


Does it make their individual records null and void though?

/honest question
 
2012-08-03 10:35:07 PM  

mrshowrules: You are using bad analogies and comparisons because the reality is much harder to defend. The institution is be punished because it failed to fire/charge the bad people.


They're trying to punish an inanimate object ("The Institution") but all of the effects are falling squarely on past, current, and future student athletes, ALL of whom had nothing to do with the crime. It's hard to argue that they're not going directly after the students. Sure, vacating wins is just a symbolic punishment, but it's still hitting the wrong people. Killing scholarships and the football program for a bit is just petty, and totally mis-targeted.
 
2012-08-03 10:35:32 PM  

HighOnCraic: How do you strip Paterno of the wins without stripping them from the students?


I don't think that should have happened at all, for reasons I've already explained.
 
2012-08-03 10:37:39 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I'll ask this. Do you think the NCAA should've spared the football program from any punishment?


Punish the people responsible, not "the program". You can't effectively punish an inanimate object. If I drive drunk and run over someone, they don't light my car on fire as punishment.
 
2012-08-03 10:39:10 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Does it make their individual records null and void though?

/honest question


That I don't know either, but ask any team player worth listening to and they'll tell you the individual stats aren't worth shiat without the wins.
 
2012-08-03 10:40:07 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: mrshowrules: You are using bad analogies and comparisons because the reality is much harder to defend. The institution is be punished because it failed to fire/charge the bad people.

They're trying to punish an inanimate object ("The Institution") but all of the effects are falling squarely on past, current, and future student athletes, ALL of whom had nothing to do with the crime. It's hard to argue that they're not going directly after the students. Sure, vacating wins is just a symbolic punishment, but it's still hitting the wrong people. Killing scholarships and the football program for a bit is just petty, and totally mis-targeted.


Institutions are people, my friend. Of course they are.
 
2012-08-03 10:40:24 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Killing scholarships and the football program for a bit is just petty, and totally mis-targeted.


Why? You think nothing should've happened to the program?

What should the NCAA have done in your eyes. GoldSpider gave me a very rational answer.

I can understand the taking the wins away and all of that but how is banning them from the postseason, fining them for $60 million, and putting them on a 5-year probation "petty, and totally mis-targeted"?
 
2012-08-03 10:41:12 PM  

GoldSpider: Mrtraveler01: Sorry but I don't feel sorry for the football program. shiat like this requires more than a slap on the wrist.

You don't cure brain cancer by cutting off the patient's head.


That's a bit hyperbolic.* The program still exists. In four years, they'll be able to play in bowl games again.


*I know, "Welcome to Fark!"
 
2012-08-03 10:42:26 PM  

Mrtraveler01: What should the NCAA have done in your eyes. GoldSpider gave me a very rational answer.


We've been having that back-and-forth for weeks here. I'm glad some of it is starting to sink in!
 
2012-08-03 10:42:28 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Punish the people responsible, not "the program".


Who should the NCAA punish then? Why should the program that was responsible and that took part in this be spared?

Was Ohio State's program spared when they got caught getting gifts and selling memrobelia? Was USC's program spared when they did their shady stuff?

Why should Penn State's program be spared even though what they did was 100 times more heinous than what Ohio State and USC did combined?
 
2012-08-03 10:43:09 PM  

HighOnCraic: That's a bit hyperbolic.* The program still exists. In four years, they'll be able to play in bowl games again.


My point is there's no benefit in punishing people who don't need to be punished.
 
2012-08-03 10:43:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I can understand the taking the wins away and all of that but how is banning them from the postseason, fining them for $60 million, and putting them on a 5-year probation "petty, and totally mis-targeted"?


Because "them" means current and future students who had nothing to do with kiddie rape.
 
2012-08-03 10:45:48 PM  

GoldSpider: HighOnCraic: Is there a way to punish the people running the program without punishing the players?

Oh I dunno, maybe prosecute the people running the program and leave the players out of it?


You totally missed the point that when something like this happens everybody feels it. When the wrong doing was uncovered by Enron executives, the executives were punished, but everybody at the company and their families were affected also. When the wrong doing was uncovered at Arthur Anderson, not only did the executives that were convicted of wrongdoing feel it, but employees that had nothing to do with the wrong doing were affected. Were you arguing that those companies shouldn't face fines and sanctions because it would hurt the employees? I doubt it.

The way only way for people who aren't involved in any wrongdoing by higher ups in an organization not to be affected when the wrongdoers get caught is for the higher ups not to be complicate in any wrongdoing in the first place. Your anger for the students that are being "victimized" as you say because they don't have a good football team, or the ex-players that are "victimized" because their achievements were wiped from the record books should be pointed at the rapist, and the people at the school that covered for the rapist and allowed him to continue raping. Not with the NCAA for doing their job and doing what needed to be done.
 
2012-08-03 10:46:32 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Because "them" means current and future students who had nothing to do with kiddie rape.


Eh, here we'll disagree (and go figure, you defending the football program more than me!). There's an unhealthy culture around Penn State football that I think needs to be throttled back. The fanatics (like the people who harassed the victims) need to be examine their priorities.
 
2012-08-03 10:46:58 PM  

GoldSpider: HighOnCraic: That's a bit hyperbolic.* The program still exists. In four years, they'll be able to play in bowl games again.

My point is there's no benefit in punishing people who don't need to be punished.


But we can at least agree that no one has been beheaded, yes?
 
2012-08-03 10:47:11 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Mrtraveler01: I can understand the taking the wins away and all of that but how is banning them from the postseason, fining them for $60 million, and putting them on a 5-year probation "petty, and totally mis-targeted"?

Because "them" means current and future students who had nothing to do with kiddie rape.


So the football program shouldn't have been punished in any way shape or form then?
 
2012-08-03 10:47:12 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: mrshowrules: You are using bad analogies and comparisons because the reality is much harder to defend. The institution is be punished because it failed to fire/charge the bad people.

They're trying to punish an inanimate object ("The Institution") but all of the effects are falling squarely on past, current, and future student athletes, ALL of whom had nothing to do with the crime. It's hard to argue that they're not going directly after the students. Sure, vacating wins is just a symbolic punishment, but it's still hitting the wrong people. Killing scholarships and the football program for a bit is just petty, and totally mis-targeted.


They are an organization not unlike a company. When a person, company or organization is punished, it also hurts innocent people. The Boy Scouts have settled lawsuits for child molesters also. Large sums of money have been paid (normally sealed) that no doubt effected Boy Scout troops across the country that had nothing to do with the scandal.

Penn State should either be fined or not. That is a legal question. If they are to be fined, it must be a fine that really hurts commensurate with the seriousness of what they did. How ever you measure that.

I think the fine should be at least 10 times larger than the pain of dealing with the issue to begin with. If the organization (their trusted agents) had dealt with this properly at first. If they had dealt with the rape right at the beginning, it would have embarrassed them and would have had both direct an indirect impact to their revenues over the years. Perhaps, $10M for example. The fine/penalty must be much higher than that otherwise the incentives for other institutions to cover it up will remain as a sound business case (acceptable risk).
 
2012-08-03 10:49:57 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.

It would be nice if the actual people who covered up kiddie rape were punished, instead of random past and future student athletes.


Oh puleeze. Any star athlete can still go to any other school to be a star. And athletic scholarships are still awarded.

This was a systemic problem, a problem with the Penn State system itself. Not just the athletic program, but nearly every part of the school was too wrapped up in it's athletic program and allowed it to do evil things like letting boys get anally raped in showers and covering up. What they're done is taken the school athletic program and put a foot on it's neck, stopping it. Now what the school can do, because they can't achieve anything in sports for 4 years, is focus on the school itself. Re-prioritize their priorities.

Ya, some athletes are going to get the shaft i'm sure... but in 10 or 15 years, we'll hopefully all look back and see all the other good things the school has done instead during that time. Maybe they could excel in science and technology like MIT or Berkeley. Maybe it'll be business like Harvard, maybe law like Yale.

This was not just a football or athletic issue. It was a systemic problem with the school itself. The athletic program had sooo much power that even the president of the school feared upsetting the coaches, even when they raped little boys.

Do you know what an 8 or 9 year old boy looks like? Google it if you can't appreciate the size of a boy that young. Now imagine a large adult football coach raping him. There were witnesses, there were people that spoke out, and it was all covered up to the very top.
 
2012-08-03 10:53:13 PM  

moralpanic: Ya, some athletes are going to get the shaft i'm sure.


They are. And they're just leaving Penn State for other schools. Which is fine with me.

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2012-08-03 10:53:17 PM  

GoldSpider: Eh, here we'll disagree (and go figure, you defending the football program more than me!). There's an unhealthy culture around Penn State football that I think needs to be throttled back. The fanatics (like the people who harassed the victims) need to be examine their priorities.


Penn State Football is a scary, crazed cult for sure, and Happy Valley is like the Waco compound. It should be dialed back because sports shouldn't be treated with way more importance than academics. Not because a rogue staffmember was raping kids in one of the buildings. Leave that to the criminal justice system.

Mrtraveler01: So the football program shouldn't have been punished in any way shape or form then?


The whole "Football Program" should not be punished because some of the football program's leadership were covering up kiddie rape.
 
2012-08-03 10:54:27 PM  

moralpanic: Do you know what an 8 or 9 year old boy looks like? Google it if you can't appreciate the size of a boy that young. Now imagine a large adult football coach raping him. There were witnesses, there were people that spoke out, and it was all covered up to the very top.


I agree, it's terrible, and the people who covered it up should spend the rest of their lives in jail as far as I'm concerned.
 
2012-08-03 10:58:04 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Mrtraveler01: So the football program shouldn't have been punished in any way shape or form then?

The whole "Football Program" should not be punished because some of the football program's leadership were covering up kiddie rape.


That's how it works in the NCAA. Just look at Ohio State and USC as examples of the whole program being punished for the actions of a few.

shiat happens and frankly, I don't give a damn about the program.
 
2012-08-03 10:58:11 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: moralpanic: Do you know what an 8 or 9 year old boy looks like? Google it if you can't appreciate the size of a boy that young. Now imagine a large adult football coach raping him. There were witnesses, there were people that spoke out, and it was all covered up to the very top.

I agree, it's terrible, and the people who covered it up should spend the rest of their lives in jail as far as I'm concerned.


And anybody else in that position would have done the same thing. It was a problem with the system itself. The other coaches aren't evil. The board members aren't evil. The president of the school wasn't evil. Just like the Germans during Nazi Germany weren't evil, these people acted the way they did because of the system.

It's 4 years. If you need to cry or feel things are unjust, cry for the 9 boys that spoke out (and who knows how many countless haven't). Don't farking cry for an athletic program.
 
2012-08-03 11:03:11 PM  

GoldSpider: How would you feel if someone tried to tell you the work you did over the past 13 years didn't happen and didn't count because your boss was a crooked?


Football is a game. Grow up.
 
2012-08-03 11:03:11 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Not because a rogue staffmember was raping kids in one of the buildings. Leave that to the criminal justice system.


A "rogue staffmember" whose crimes were covered up by Paterno and members of the Penn State administration. A staffmemeber who was still given full access to the football programs facilities, games, etc, after he was forced to retire.

stiletto_the_wise: For a start, how about punishing the people who were actually covering up kiddie rape?


You mean like the members of the Penn State adminstation who were indicted by a state grand jury, who will be tried and (very likely) go to jail for their actions?

Are you trolling or stupid? Either way, you seem to know NOTHING of the facts of the case.
 
2012-08-03 11:08:12 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: You mean like the members of the Penn State adminstation who were indicted by a state grand jury, who will be tried and (very likely) go to jail for their actions?


If all goes well.
 
2012-08-03 11:15:49 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Dwight_Yeast: You mean like the members of the Penn State adminstation who were indicted by a state grand jury, who will be tried and (very likely) go to jail for their actions?

If all goes well.


Yeah, it's a shame we do that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. *eyeroll*
 
2012-08-03 11:18:43 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: stiletto_the_wise: Dwight_Yeast: You mean like the members of the Penn State adminstation who were indicted by a state grand jury, who will be tried and (very likely) go to jail for their actions?

If all goes well.

Yeah, it's a shame we do that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. *eyeroll*


At least I can spell "administration."
 
2012-08-03 11:19:26 PM  
"I think it does," Obama said. "I mean, I have been a big admirer of Penn State football. Obviously Joe Paterno was a great football coach. But there are some things that are just more important than sports. And making sure our kids are safe is more important than sports."

If that statement loses PA, then f*ck PA.
 
2012-08-03 11:22:08 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Well, we already know that Penn State alum Rick Santorum thinks the sanctions were wrong, and that he defends Joe Paterno, so the bar that has been set for politicians re: the Penn State scandal is, "Don't be like Rick Santorum." Doesn't take much effort, but I applaud the President for recognizing that enabling the raping of children should be punished.


In all fairness, Santorum is Catholic. He just thinks being raped by authority figures is part of growing up.
 
2012-08-03 11:26:53 PM  

bgilmore5: In all fairness, Santorum is Catholic. He just thinks being raped by authority figures is part of growing up.


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2012-08-03 11:27:30 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: At least I can spell "administration."


If that's the best you can do, just concede and keep a shred of dignity intact.
 
2012-08-03 11:29:06 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: At least I can spell "administration."


Meh. Weak sauce.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: If that statement loses PA, then f*ck PA.


Yeah, that's not going to cost him PA. Subby is a moron.
 
2012-08-03 11:31:33 PM  
Pederasts for Anybody But Obama!
 
2012-08-03 11:36:57 PM  

Weaver95: great - now the GOP is going to have to take a pro-pedophila stance. as a rule


Um.................they already are. In fact, they have been pro-pedo for decades

Wiki up the words "Franklin Credit Union Scandal".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Coverup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3IsCPOADc4


I love to bring up this little scandal every time some dickhead from OmaHell starts mouthing off about "Counciltucky". :)
 
2012-08-03 11:50:53 PM  
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Thanks for the fun, folks :-)
 
2012-08-03 11:55:41 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Weaver95: don't cover up kiddie rape. it's bad and bad things happen to you when you eventually get caught.

It would be nice if the actual people who covered up kiddie rape were punished, instead of random past and future student athletes.


Those poor kids who have to watch a bad football team!
 
2012-08-03 11:59:42 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: The whole "Football Program" should not be punished because some of the football program's leadership were covering up kiddie rape.


And by the same token, the whole "Football Team" should not be awarded a first down just because some of the team's players managed to move the ball forward 10 yards.
 
2012-08-04 12:04:30 AM  

poot_rootbeer: stiletto_the_wise: The whole "Football Program" should not be punished because some of the football program's leadership were covering up kiddie rape.

And by the same token, the whole "Football Team" should not be awarded a first down just because some of the team's players managed to move the ball forward 10 yards.


That makes sense...why does the defensive line get a championship ring. All they did--if they ever set foot on the field--is run and hug another guy for 60 minutes.
 
2012-08-04 12:22:56 AM  

Sliding Carp: downstairs: Also, I don't know how voting works when you're out of state in college (I went to a school in the state I lived)... do most of these kids even vote in Pennsylvania?

Preventing college students from voting anywhere has been a strong goal of Republican suppression efforts for at least 40 years. Jiggling local rules so they couldn't vote at college because their 'home' was elsewhere, and couldn't vote absentee at 'home' because they were living in a dorm was going on when I was an undergrad in the 70's. And it was driven entirely by Republicans; Dems have traditionally been "let's register everybody but hope we're registering more of us than of them".


Austin TX was a classic example of this in the early 70s. all those damn hippy liberal students wanting to keep industrial chemicals out of shoal creek. the business community wasn't having any part of that. of course in those days it was democrats but still .......
 
2012-08-04 12:28:56 AM  
All thugs considered, I'm glad the president came down on the "anti-child rape for decades" side of the argument. Even if it means losing the state of PA.
 
2012-08-04 12:30:53 AM  

The Homer Tax: All thugs considered, I'm glad the president came down on the "anti-child rape for decades" side of the argument. Even if it means losing the state of PA.


Why hasn't R-money come down on the "anti-child rape for decades" side of the argument? Why didn't Frothy?

Hmmm....
 
2012-08-04 12:45:02 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, not thinking a lot of PA voters are going to vehemently disagree with the President's assertion that the prevention of child rape probably needs to be prioritized over college sports a little bit.


Then you haven't talked with many Penn State students and alumni.

Seriously, they have this doe-eyed cult-like worship of Paterno. It's kinda creepy.
 
2012-08-04 01:05:17 AM  
Is this where I point out that Paterno, Sandusky, and the majority of the principals in this sick matter are/were all republican catholics? This thing was bound to happen with that foul mix of ethics.
 
2012-08-04 02:08:14 AM  
Why does ANY school need a football team let alone a football program?

Doesn't that just detract from the actual purpose of the school? As long as no academic departments are hurt (which they won't be), they could just as well cancel football completely, and the school would likely benefit from the refocusing on education.

Just think of all the $$$ going into stadiums, etc. that can be reallocated to more worthwhile things.
 
2012-08-04 02:08:33 AM  

Johnny Swank: Is this where I point out that Paterno, Sandusky, and the majority of the principals in this sick matter are/were all republican catholics? This thing was bound to happen with that foul mix of ethics.


Don't forget the one who chose not to prosecute, our current governor, Corbett.
 
2012-08-04 02:19:38 AM  
Also, too

I don't think subby really understands PA voters.

Here in rural Christian PA, the Mittwit isn't trusted a whole lot. And Penn St left PA children out to suffer.

We take that shiat serious.

Seriously, Corbett is 1 and done because of this.
 
2012-08-04 02:20:38 AM  

tricycleracer: This site is getting intolerable.

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Nobody expects the kitty hug inquisition.
 
2012-08-04 02:21:38 AM  
Last time Obama was going to lose PA because of his "clinging to guns and god" comment.

/Keep grasping.
 
2012-08-04 03:07:22 AM  
i hear the PENNis State program does the best job in the Nation of turning Tight Ends into Wide Recievers.
 
2012-08-04 03:09:13 AM  
say it ain't so, Joe.
 
2012-08-04 03:57:50 AM  

Holy Fark. The Kenyan just spoke out against covering up kiddie rape?

IMPEACH!


/Seriously expecting Republicans to find a way to be in favor of kiddie rape, just out of spite.
 
2012-08-04 04:43:02 AM  
I know I'm late to the discussion, but meh, this is Fark...

The NCAA has let itself be distracted by Penn State martyring the legacy of one of its dead heroes in order to protect something even more precious to it: the money.

Vacating wins is something you do to someone who has cheated on the playing field. Taking down Paterno's statue is yet more attempts at deflecting blame onto a man who is dead and no longer able to defend himself - the perfect scapegoat for years of administrative malfeasance. The NCAA has let itself be distracted by a token sacrifice that costs the Penn State administrators nothing of note. Paterno's legacy has an asterisk by it? Who cares?? He's dead, and the whole country knows he was the best coach in college football history anyways, trying to say different is purest MiniTrue dreck.

The way to end this, now and for all time, is to hit Penn State where it actually makes a difference to administrators. Not in a four year Bowl ban - with Paterno gone it would have taken them that long to restore their recruiting program anyways. Not in vacating the wins of a dead man - he doesn't notice, it comes off petty as hell, and it's inappropriate anyways because his actions and inactions were not germane to the games played.

How many years were Penn State administrators covering up Sandusky's vile crimes? That's how many years of a Death Penalty they get. Not just Men's football either, since it's clear that they would have done much the same for anyone with sufficient profile regardless of the sport. No, every Penn State athletic program dies for as many years as their crimes were being committed. Let Penn State exist purely as an academic entity, since they clearly can't handle athletics and the money that comes with it without being corrupted by it. When as many years have passed as those children suffered by Penn State's coverup, THEN let them start trying to rebuild their names.

Let EVERY student-athlete walk away from Penn State with their honor intact, let them play for such teams as will have them. Let the student-athletes who could have had no part of the goings-on keep their honor - they assuredly did nothing wrong. Heck, even Paterno's legacy can keep its wins - he was the best college football coach ever to step on the field. He also oversaw the events that led to Penn State's downfall. Let *THAT* be his full legacy.
 
2012-08-04 06:08:37 AM  
There are more rural places in Pennsylvania, but Centre County is very depopulated. The students don't vote (as a rule, the students never vote), and if Pennsylvania comes down to the 41,000 people who voted for Obama last year out of Centre County, Heaven help us.

The majority of Penn State alums who live outside of Shiat College, PA probably either are fine with the sanctions or don't care because they can still tailgate at Beaver Stadium.

/Used to live in that shiatburg.
//Hightailed it out of there as fast as I could before anyone could convince me to go to PSU.
 
2012-08-04 09:28:39 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: WE ARE
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8/10, simply based on the number of responses you got.

Well played!

X-boxershorts: Don't forget the one who chose not to prosecute, our current governor, Corbett.


Uh, actually, Corbett was already governor when the grand jury handed down its findings last year, so he didn't have any part in the charges filed.

/grand juries often take years to hear all the evidence in a complex case
 
2012-08-04 09:43:36 AM  
Unless Pennsylvania is completely inhabited by pedophiles, I don't see how this affects Obama's position there.
 
2012-08-04 09:46:03 AM  

sprawl15: I hope this leads to a national farking a child in the shower appreciation day.


I wonder which fast food chain would go for that.

www.smtexas.net

/sweet dreams!
 
2012-08-04 10:25:04 AM  

hershy799: Gwendolyn: Dead for Tax Reasons: that part of the state isn't going to vote for him anyway. he just has to suck up to Pitt, Penn and the other schools in the cities

Most of the students at Penn State are from Philadelphia or Pittsburgh and the surrounding suburbs. There are 40,000+ kids there and that kind of number does not exclusively come from central PA. We used to have a annual touch football game between the Philly and Pittsburgh kids to decide if soft drinks would be called soda or pop for the year.

Really??? That's awesome. I never heard of such a thing during my time up here
/BS '09, MS '11, PhD '??
//Soda > pop


I graduated in 1996. It was always a blast.
 
2012-08-04 10:43:33 AM  
The thing that's great about the whole Sandusky scandal is the way it "proves" that conspiracies never happen and how crazy people are that believe in them.
 
2012-08-04 11:14:32 AM  

Gwendolyn: hershy799: Gwendolyn: Dead for Tax Reasons: that part of the state isn't going to vote for him anyway. he just has to suck up to Pitt, Penn and the other schools in the cities

Most of the students at Penn State are from Philadelphia or Pittsburgh and the surrounding suburbs. There are 40,000+ kids there and that kind of number does not exclusively come from central PA. We used to have a annual touch football game between the Philly and Pittsburgh kids to decide if soft drinks would be called soda or pop for the year.

Really??? That's awesome. I never heard of such a thing during my time up here
/BS '09, MS '11, PhD '??
//Soda > pop

I graduated in 1996. It was always a blast.


Hey, at least you got to see the Penn State football team win a game... but before anybody calls me a kiddie diddler I think the punishment was quite fair

/I really hope "team soda" won all of the games
 
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