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2012-08-03 02:15:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mitt Romney has a really really easy way to make Reid look like an idiot, yet he won't do it.


the burden is on Reid to prove he doesn't look like an idiot

cameroncrazy1984: His father must be so proud that his son is completely destroying his only political legacy.


A) he's dead
B) it's not a legacy that Mittens has destroyed since almost all candidates since George Romney have not released 12 years of returns
 
2012-08-03 02:15:31 PM  

skullkrusher: the burden is on Reid to prove he doesn't look like an idiot


Why?
 
2012-08-03 02:16:07 PM  

Shaggy_C: Corvus: Psst Obama DID show his birth certificate that's what made birtherism dumb because they had PROOF to the contrary.

Two years after the fact. Did that mean birthers were being rational during those two years? Cos I certainly didn't think so...


WHAT? He did it June of 2008 how is that "two years after the fact"?
 
2012-08-03 02:16:55 PM  

skullkrusher: Corvus: RolandGunner: Corvus: RolandGunner: qorkfiend: RolandGunner: Fart_Machine: I guess Romney could put the whole thing to rest by releasing his tax returns.

Why would he release them when not releasing tax returns has lead to Harry Reid violating federal law?

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Yeah, I heard from a source that Harry Reid's source is in possession of Romney's tax returns in violation of federal law. If he isn't in possession of those tax documents then provide the proof.... otherwise Harry Reid is guilty of aiding in a federal crime. All Harry has to do is reveal his source.

Yeah. it doesn't work that way. You keep pretending that this is a criminal case and those rules apply it is not.



I know it doesn't work that way. I was using Harry Reid's method on Harry Reid. Now tell that to Harry Reid and the DailyKOS.

You allowed to say whatever you want. But you not being majority leader of the senate I think most people don't give a shiat what you say and wouldn't believe you.

I know you might not like Reid but he is not known just to lie. He is pretty well respected.

I don't think the burden should be on Romney to prove that Reid is lying. The burden should be on Reid to prove he's not lying. Reid's the one that Republican have alleged is lying. Why won't he reveal his sources?


Reid just said he heard from some guy; he didn't say he knew for a fact. Reid's just asking questions. I don't see why the Right has such a problem with someone just asking questions. They're just questions. Being asked.
 
2012-08-03 02:18:14 PM  

skullkrusher: A) he's dead
B) it's not a legacy that Mittens has destroyed since almost all candidates since George Romney have not released 12 years of returns


Most of them have released more than two partial years.
 
2012-08-03 02:18:53 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Reid just said he heard from some guy; he didn't say he knew for a fact. Reid's just asking questions. I don't see why the Right has such a problem with someone just asking questions. They're just questions. Being asked.


hehe

"He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes."

He needs to take some classes with Glenn Beck in just asking questions :)
 
2012-08-03 02:19:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: A) he's dead
B) it's not a legacy that Mittens has destroyed since almost all candidates since George Romney have not released 12 years of returns

Most of them have released more than two partial years.


so by his father's "legacy" you meant at least 1/6 of his father's legacy?
 
2012-08-03 02:20:16 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: the burden is on Reid to prove he doesn't look like an idiot

Why?


"I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

no good reason
 
2012-08-03 02:20:54 PM  

Corvus: WHAT? He did it June of 2008 how is that "two years after the fact"?


I was referring to the long form which was the "holy grail" of their crusade. Similar to looking for ten+ years of returns rather than just the most recent, nay?
 
2012-08-03 02:22:46 PM  

Shaggy_C: Corvus: Psst Obama DID show his birth certificate that's what made birtherism dumb because they had PROOF to the contrary.

Two years after the fact. Did that mean birthers were being rational during those two years? Cos I certainly didn't think so...


Oh. I see.


you're in "dumb" mode.

My bad.
 
2012-08-03 02:26:17 PM  

Shaggy_C: Corvus: WHAT? He did it June of 2008 how is that "two years after the fact"?

I was referring to the long form which was the "holy grail" of their crusade. Similar to looking for ten+ years of returns rather than just the most recent, nay?


The long form was not accessible to most people. Basically, you had to be the frickin' president of the frickin' United States to be able to ask the state of Hawaii to release the long form.
 
2012-08-03 02:27:02 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: the burden is on Reid to prove he doesn't look like an idiot

Why?

"I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

no good reason


The burden really should be on him. Releasing 12 years of returns was no problem for Obama who is a multi-millionaire. Why is it such a big deal for Romney? After all, he is running for public office.
 
2012-08-03 02:27:31 PM  

Shaggy_C: Corvus: WHAT? He did it June of 2008 how is that "two years after the fact"?

I was referring to the long form which was the "holy grail" of their crusade. Similar to looking for ten+ years of returns rather than just the most recent, nay?


The only returns that I think truly matter are those that would clarify his employment situation at Bain, since that is actually relevant and important.
 
2012-08-03 02:28:44 PM  

sprawl15: Of course, when you're relying on reporting that's simply hearsay of hearsay of hearsay without bothering to figure out the basis for assertions, it's easy to make mistakes like this.


I think most people care more about the fact that Romney's wife does so little that she has time and the fortune to teach horses how to dance competitively. It's not just "oh she's a rich man's wife and does book clubs and enters recipes in Betty Crocker contests". This is like royalty-level fark you to everyone that isn't at their income level.
 
2012-08-03 02:29:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: the burden is on Reid to prove he doesn't look like an idiot

Why?

"I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

no good reason

The burden really should be on him. Releasing 12 years of returns was no problem for Obama who is a multi-millionaire. Why is it such a big deal for Romney? After all, he is running for public office.


usually the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Reid is playing hatchet man here and sounding stupid when he does it.
 
2012-08-03 02:30:46 PM  

Corvus: Hitchhikes with dog: My initial point (my only point, really) is that the left should not model its message and attacks after the sort of speculation and DERP that the right has levied against President Obama. Aside from it being a low form of 'debate', it is also completely unnecessary against the keystone campaign.

Also you think him refusing to release his tax returns even though president have been doing it for 36 years and him saying he is not going to release them because they will make him look bad and concluding "Romney must be hiding something" - is "speculation" and not a logical conclusion.

Speculation is not based on an evidence. This is. You are misusing the term. This is a logical conclusion that Romney is hiding something. He even admits he is.


We're talking past each other. My initial post and point was in response to the KOS piece that showed what a hypothetical attack against Mr. Romney would look like if the left chose to employ the same tactics as the right has done in the past (e.g.: B. Hussane 0bummer is a Manchurian candidate planted by the UN through a 50 year plot involving falsifying birth records and he is also taking our guns to supply his Soviet guards at the FEMA camps while the Death Panel decides whether a representative from teh gay indoctrination center (TM) or a jerb-taking Mexican gets to kill Grandma and sell her precious fluids to China to raise capital so the Weathermen can buy stock in Solydra.). My point was that while such things may be effective for some, this form of untethered nonsense would not play well to the left. We'll take our facts plain thank you very much.

In this sense, I use the word "speculation" as the basic tool of these kooky conspiracy theorists. KOS was demonstrating unabashed (hypothetical) speculation when he claimed that Mr. Romney only claimed to be LDS in order to spend the Vietnam war in France. I don't believe this. I don't think KOS believes this. This was his example of the sort of speculation that forms the basis of the crazy-style attacks so commonly played and repeated against President Obama (and Mr. Clinton, and Sec. State Clinton, etc.). I don't think the left should do these things that are abhorrent to me when the right does them. But that is just me.

You say speculation is not based on evidence. I agree, but would add that speculation is also the advocacy of a conclusion not supported by evidence, or an overextension / overuse of the evidence. Either way, it is non sequitur.

I have not directly commented on Senator Reid's comments regarding Mr. Romney's taxes. I agree that the Senator is not speculating that he heard something about the taxes, but I have no direct knowledge about the source of this information other than he is purportedly from Bain and knowledgeable. I personally don't think Senator Reid should have made the comment without being in a position to provide all the details. Until he can/does, it is literally one dude telling us what a secret dude told him about what the secret dude knows about what is otherwise a confidential document.
 
2012-08-03 02:38:17 PM  

Corvus:

OBAMA GAVE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

ROMNEY HAS NOT SHOWN HIS TAX RETURNS!!


That's a huge difference!!!
Are you pretending Obama never showed his birth certificate?


No, he's moving the goalposts YET AGAIN. Because he knows this whole thing is up to rmoney to disprove, he's going with "b-b-b-b-but OBAMA DIDN'T SHOW US FAST ENOUGH!!!111", completely "forgetting" that even though it set an entriely new precedent, Obama provided said proof in 2008.

Fark, that's not even moving goalposts. That's moving to a whole different stadium.
 
2012-08-03 02:38:30 PM  

skullkrusher: usually the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Reid is playing hatchet man here and sounding stupid when he does it


Not really, no. He can say anything he wants. It's up to Romney to make Harry look smart or stupid on this. It's a pretty smart play, really.
 
2012-08-03 02:39:55 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Just so I'm clear.

Romney won't release his taxes, and we all think he must be hiding something.
Harry Reid says a guy called him and told him that Romney pad no taxes for a decade.
Now a CNN Reporter says she knows a guy who knows the guy that told Reid that Romney paid no taxes for a decade.

Is that so far the evidence provided, or have I missed something?


You're missing out on some once-in-a-lifetime grand speculation.

Romney hasn't released his tax returns because (*spins wheel*):
- THOSE TAX RETURNS DON'T EXIST: He didn't actually file any personal tax returns because he filed only corporate tax returns. He had to file recently because of campaign contribution rules. But because he did not have any income in the previous ten years, he was not required to file returns. Investment income was all either zeroed out through re-investment or was in his wife's name. For tax purposes, she had to have filed as head of household. So in order to reveal those tax returns, a private citizen not running for office would have to be exposed to unwanted scrutiny. And no one wants that.
 
2012-08-03 02:40:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: usually the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Reid is playing hatchet man here and sounding stupid when he does it

Not really, no. He can say anything he wants. It's up to Romney to make Harry look smart or stupid on this. It's a pretty smart play, really.


I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

that is a stupid statement to make. He is playing the role of hatchet man. He's looking stupid doing so.
 
2012-08-03 02:42:28 PM  

qorkfiend: Sales, property, etc., definitely paid those.


Ha ha, you don't think he found ways to get around those too? Declaring some of his property to be agricultural? Writing off sales tax somehow? I'm no tax lawyer, but I would be surprised to find he didn't take advantage of every loophole that was made available.
 
2012-08-03 02:43:57 PM  

Jekylman: - THOSE TAX RETURNS DON'T EXIST: He didn't actually file any personal tax returns because he filed only corporate tax returns.


Corporations are people, my friends.
 
2012-08-03 02:44:41 PM  

skullkrusher: that is a stupid statement to make. He is playing the role of hatchet man. He's looking stupid doing so.


If you say so.
 
2012-08-03 02:45:37 PM  

Corvus: You allowed to say whatever you want. But you not being majority leader of the senate I think most people don't give a shiat what you say and wouldn't believe you.

I know you might not like Reid but he is not known just to lie. He is pretty well respected.


He has a 20% job approval rating even when the poll is conducted by the leftist mouthpiece TPM and no, he has a history of talking out of his ass.
 
2012-08-03 02:48:09 PM  

Shaggy_C: Corvus: WHAT? He did it June of 2008 how is that "two years after the fact"?

I was referring to the long form which was the "holy grail" of their crusade. Similar to looking for ten+ years of returns rather than just the most recent, nay?


Each year's tax return is different from another. The short form is content-wise identical to the long form. George Romney showed 12 years to demonstrate there were no shenanigans that a one-year reveal might hide.

A birth certificate is a birth certificate. One might be able to forge the date or the mother's maiden name on the short form, but if the long form's existence is known, that pretty much confirms all that we to know of Obama's country of birth.

The problem with Rmoney's tax returns is not that he got away with not paying taxes; he probably did, though legally. The problem is him claiming MA residency while filing Utah taxes, then claiming retired from Bain while holding CEO/COB/sole owner of Bain, thereby refuting his corporate independence pledge to the SLCOCOG. Also pegs him as involved in the outsourcing era at Bain that he is trying distance himself from.
 
2012-08-03 02:48:19 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: the burden is on Reid to prove he doesn't look like an idiot

Why?

"I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

no good reason

The burden really should be on him. Releasing 12 years of returns was no problem for Obama who is a multi-millionaire. Why is it such a big deal for Romney? After all, he is running for public office.

usually the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Reid is playing hatchet man here and sounding stupid when he does it.


He may sound a little stupid now but it's actually a brilliant move. Get it in the news and have it repeated until it becomes true to a lot of people. The GOP is really good at this and it's nice to see it turned against them.
 
2012-08-03 02:50:18 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: usually the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Reid is playing hatchet man here and sounding stupid when he does it

Not really, no. He can say anything he wants. It's up to Romney to make Harry look smart or stupid on this. It's a pretty smart play, really.

I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

that is a stupid statement to make. He is playing the role of hatchet man. He's looking stupid doing so.


It's not stupid at all. You haven't even given a reason why it is stupid. I've at least given a reason as to why I think it's a smart move.
 
2012-08-03 02:50:20 PM  

dericwater: Shaggy_C: Corvus: WHAT? He did it June of 2008 how is that "two years after the fact"?

I was referring to the long form which was the "holy grail" of their crusade. Similar to looking for ten+ years of returns rather than just the most recent, nay?

Each year's tax return is different from another. The short form is content-wise identical to the long form. George Romney showed 12 years to demonstrate there were no shenanigans that a one-year reveal might hide.

A birth certificate is a birth certificate. One might be able to forge the date or the mother's maiden name on the short form, but if the long form's existence is known, that pretty much confirms all that we to know of Obama's country of birth.

The problem with Rmoney's tax returns is not that he got away with not paying taxes; he probably did, though legally. The problem is him claiming MA residency while filing Utah taxes, then claiming retired from Bain while holding CEO/COB/sole owner of Bain, thereby refuting his corporate independence pledge to the SLCOCOG. Also pegs him as involved in the outsourcing era at Bain that he is trying distance himself from.


Exactly. Unlike Obama's place of birth (which was confirmed with the initial release of his birth certificate in June 2008), there are actual questions about Romney's actions in certain years. I suppose I don't care so much about his tax returns (unless he did do something illegal), but I do very much want more information about how he "retroactively" resigned from Bain and "retroactively" moved from Utah to Mass.
 
2012-08-03 02:52:15 PM  

CynicalLA: He may sound a little stupid now but it's actually a brilliant move. Get it in the news and have it repeated until it becomes true to a lot of people. The GOP is really good at this and it's nice to see it turned against them.


sure it may be politically shrewd but damn, the GOP lets the wingnuts talk about birf certificates and Muslim usurpers and just avoid direct requests to refute those notions in a unambiguous fashion.

This is a bossman in the DNC making a major allegation he refuses to provide any evidence for while saying that the burden isn't on he who is making the accusations but rather on the accused.
 
2012-08-03 02:52:30 PM  

saddlesablazin: WaffleStomper: We get it. He's rich and you're not.

Jealousy will ruin your lives people. For crying out loud people. Get over it.

Wasn't John Kerry at least in the same league as Romney money-wise? It's not about jealousy. It's about Romney's inability to empathize with your average American.


No, because the money was all Teresa's (inherited from John Heinz). Also, Teresa Heinz is worth at least $3 billion, while Romney claims to only be worth $250 million.
 
2012-08-03 02:53:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: usually the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Reid is playing hatchet man here and sounding stupid when he does it

Not really, no. He can say anything he wants. It's up to Romney to make Harry look smart or stupid on this. It's a pretty smart play, really.

I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

that is a stupid statement to make. He is playing the role of hatchet man. He's looking stupid doing so.

It's not stupid at all. You haven't even given a reason why it is stupid. I've at least given a reason as to why I think it's a smart move.


"I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

that's the reason. "The burden is on him. He is the one I accused after all." WTF does that even mean? That is the statement of a moron.
 
2012-08-03 02:54:50 PM  

Skleenar: skullkrusher: that is a stupid statement to make. He is playing the role of hatchet man. He's looking stupid doing so.

If you say so.


I do. Not only is he taking the heat if Romney DOES release his returns rather than allowing the blogosphere beat the drums, he is sounding like an illogical dummy doing it.
 
2012-08-03 02:55:22 PM  

RolandGunner: Fart_Machine: I guess Romney could put the whole thing to rest by releasing his tax returns.

Why would he release them when not releasing tax returns has lead to Harry Reid violating federal law?


LOLWUT?
 
2012-08-03 02:56:04 PM  

s2s2s2: qorkfiend: s2s2s2: qorkfiend: s2s2s2: qorkfiend: s2s2s2: qorkfiend: s2s2s2: Didn't Mitt pay the salaries of a lot of people? If so, he paid taxes. Did he buy a bunch of stuff? If so, he paid taxes. Does he own property? If so, he paid taxes.
I get it though. He clearly is not paying a fair share.

He paid people's salaries out of his personal bank account?

So it's not what he paid, but from which of his many, many accounts?

No, I'm disputing the absurd assertion that Mitt Romney personally paid people's salaries and thus personally paid their payroll taxes.

Everything else, yeah. Sales, property, etc., definitely paid those.

Paying taxes = paying taxes.

Too bad the discussion's about federal taxes.

It certainly does more to obfuscate his contribution to federal revenue gains to limit the focus of the discussion.

The economy is complex, and Mitt is probably responsible for more federal revenue than most of Fark.

Ah, alright. We'll just take your word on that, shall we? It's as verifiable as the claim that he paid no taxes.

If only Mitt Romney could release some form of standardized supporting documentation so we could settle this issue...

So you're a "Taxer"? Oh, the irony.


I hate people equating the tax issues with the birth certificate issues.

I don't think it's weird to think something is wrong when most presidential candidates have released their tax returns and Mitt won't for some reason (after saying he would, or at least give some clarification). It's a normal situation to be asked for them. It's not normal to have your place of birth record questioned constantly when the issue is already put to rest. If Mitt releases his returns and then there's nothing wrong and then people call the returns fake then you can call people "Taxer"s.

I think Mitt just paid a really low rate for a few years and has a few more tax havens than we thought. That in itself isn't a bad thing necessarily, can't blame him for taking advantage of the system. I wouldn't vote for him though, because he'll likely make the system worse and easier to abuse.
 
2012-08-03 02:57:49 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: usually the burden of proof lies with the accuser. Reid is playing hatchet man here and sounding stupid when he does it

Not really, no. He can say anything he wants. It's up to Romney to make Harry look smart or stupid on this. It's a pretty smart play, really.

I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

that is a stupid statement to make. He is playing the role of hatchet man. He's looking stupid doing so.

It's not stupid at all. You haven't even given a reason why it is stupid. I've at least given a reason as to why I think it's a smart move.

"I don't think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He's the one I've alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn't he release his tax returns?"

that's the reason. "The burden is on him. He is the one I accused after all." WTF does that even mean? That is the statement of a moron.


You're saying that Mitt Romney can't prove Harry Reid wrong by releasing his tax returns? That simply saying "Of course I paid taxes, no I'm not going to show you" is going to be good enough?
 
2012-08-03 02:57:58 PM  
Corvus & Tenpoundsofchese in the same political thread.

Corvus calling out bs in a logical sophisticated manner, and tenocheese making good points adding to the discussion?

Have I died?

/jk
//at least perot didn't. Pretnd to be regular guy like mittens is trying so hrribly to do
 
2012-08-03 02:59:11 PM  
You know McCain is laughing his ass off watching all this.

I am sure he is bitter after their hard fought primaries in 08.

Not laughing as much as Dems are though.

Where are the tax returns!!!
 
2012-08-03 03:00:30 PM  

paygun: Corvus: You seem to not read. No one is saying his not paying any taxes at all. You are making an argument no one is saying.

Harry Reid is saying exactly that:

In an interview published Tuesday, Reid said an investor in Bain Capital, the former private equity firm of the Republican presidential candidate, told him in a phone call that Romney had paid zero taxes.

That's linked from Kos article.


The context of the article was clearly referring specifically to income taxes. Don't be dumb.
 
2012-08-03 03:03:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You're saying that Mitt Romney can't prove Harry Reid wrong by releasing his tax returns?


No, I am not saying that. Of course he can if his returns do show him paying taxes

cameroncrazy1984: That simply saying "Of course I paid taxes, no I'm not going to show you" is going to be good enough?


good enough for whom? If Boehner came out tomorrow and said that he knows a friend of the President from college and that BO barely squeaked by at Occidental and Columbia and was a huge beneficiary of Harvard's "hard to get in, easy to stay" policy while writing terrible legal articles would you find the President obligated to release his transcripts and scholarly articles to refute this claim?
 
2012-08-03 03:08:58 PM  

skullkrusher: CynicalLA: He may sound a little stupid now but it's actually a brilliant move. Get it in the news and have it repeated until it becomes true to a lot of people. The GOP is really good at this and it's nice to see it turned against them.

sure it may be politically shrewd but damn, the GOP lets the wingnuts talk about birf certificates and Muslim usurpers and just avoid direct requests to refute those notions in a unambiguous fashion.

This is a bossman in the DNC making a major allegation he refuses to provide any evidence for while saying that the burden isn't on he who is making the accusations but rather on the accused.


What if he knows that Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years because Romney didn't file for 10 years? What would Reid provide that would be evidence that Romney didn't file?

(It's very possible that when he was the CEO and sole shareholder at Bain that he did not take a salary. What would be the point?)
 
2012-08-03 03:11:23 PM  

NateGrey: You know McCain is laughing his ass off watching all this.

I am sure he is bitter after their hard fought primaries in 08.

Not laughing as much as Dems are though.

Where are the tax returns!!!


I like the idea that McCain is responsible for the leak.
 
2012-08-03 03:13:10 PM  
In every single thread about this, several people point out the reason Romney ought to show his tax returns: his insistence that taxes on the rich are too high and should be lowered. And in every single thread about this, the "Harry Reid is such a douche for saying this stuff" crowd resolutely ignores that. You guys aren't fooling anybody, not even yourselves.
 
2012-08-03 03:13:12 PM  

RolandGunner: We get it. They're baseless accusations.


And yet Obama has been hammered with them for almost 5 years now. What the article is trying to say is that it;'s kind of hard to cry crocodile tears for Romney at this point, especially since he hasn't made an effort to distance himself from the baseless claims against Obama.
 
2012-08-03 03:13:42 PM  

skullkrusher: I do. Not only is he taking the heat if Romney DOES release his returns rather than allowing the blogosphere beat the drums, he is sounding like an illogical dummy doing it.


If you say so.
 
2012-08-03 03:14:13 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: What if he knows that Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years because Romney didn't file for 10 years? What would Reid provide that would be evidence that Romney didn't file?


That's a possibility. Very unlikely imo but possible.
 
2012-08-03 03:14:35 PM  

sprawl15: Hitchhikes with dog: You could say that the Romneys are "flushing hundreds down the shiatter", or you could say that the money is a calculated investment with anticipated returns justifying the capital and the upkeep expenses.

Are you incapable of reading or are you just choosing not to read?


A am capable of both reading and choosing what to read. I chose to read your post several times.

I took your point to be that the potential revenues on the horse were too tenuous, and the tax attribute (loss deduction) too tenuous to be seen as evidence of inequity in the tax code. My response was that despite this uncertainty, Mr. Romney chose to form a separate legal entity for his pet, thus positioning himself to have tax-free horse care to the extent the horse earns revenue. Depending on your preferred flavor, you can characterize the loss to be carried forward as either tenuous and inconsequential or as an unfair loophole that insults a family who cannot deduct their children's care like that.

Where am I missing your point?
 
2012-08-03 03:14:57 PM  

Skleenar: skullkrusher: I do. Not only is he taking the heat if Romney DOES release his returns rather than allowing the blogosphere beat the drums, he is sounding like an illogical dummy doing it.

If you say so.


so are you
 
2012-08-03 03:15:56 PM  

Mikey1969: RolandGunner: We get it. They're baseless accusations.

And yet Obama has been hammered with them for almost 5 years now. What the article is trying to say is that it;'s kind of hard to cry crocodile tears for Romney at this point, especially since he hasn't made an effort to distance himself from the baseless claims against Obama.


Well, and the fact that the accusations aren't completely baseless. Romney has lied about his tax returns before, and has hidden them to avoid scrutiny into politically inconvenient facts.
 
2012-08-03 03:17:26 PM  

skullkrusher: so are you


I'm sure that makes sense to you.
 
2012-08-03 03:18:49 PM  

Shaggy_C: That was the whole point of the Daily Kos article - that they 'know how Romney feels' because Obama was the subject of similar barrage of unfounded attacks coming from the Birthers.


No. You should not use the word "unfounded" when referring to Romney's tax avoidance.

The birther's attacks were "unfounded" because Obama has never displayed any predisposition to put any other countries' interests ahead of America's. But he still ceded to their wishes and released his certificate. And they still weren't happy. So then he released a second form. And they still weren't happy.

Romney has not assuaged any suspicions of the people asking for Romney to disclose his tax documents. If Romney is going around telling people that "poor people need to have some skin in the game and pay some taxes too" and it turns out he didn't pay any for a number of years...that's not "unfounded."
 
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