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2012-08-03 11:17:03 AM
I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.
 
2012-08-03 11:55:53 AM

cman: I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.


pretty sure they have had to revise the numbers every month since 2010
 
2012-08-03 12:12:55 PM

cman: I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.


It's business as usual. The script every month goes like this:

Jobs report last month was wrong, numbers aren't as bad as we thought.
THIS month, though, DOOM DOOM DOOM WHAR JORBS OBUMMER WHARRRRRR???
 
2012-08-03 01:13:47 PM

Dexterman: pretty sure they have had to revise the numbers every month since 2010


Pretty sure they have had to revise the numbers every month since they began publishing them.

The initial report comes out, then 3 weeks or so later the final report comes out, and the numbers are usually different.

I remember people on Fark pointing these revisions was Bush was pres.
 
2012-08-03 01:43:12 PM

ShawnDoc: Pretty sure they have had to revise the numbers every month since they began publishing them.

The initial report comes out, then 3 weeks or so later the final report comes out, and the numbers are usually different.


Yep, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics alters the goods used to calculate CPI. Because believe it or not, we aren't buying cassette tapes like we did in the 80s. This too is "proof" the government just makes shat up to fool the sheeple. The real truth is given to us by the people at shadowstats.

4.bp.blogspot.com
Link
 
2012-08-03 01:47:04 PM
...B, A, [Start]

/super employment code
 
2012-08-03 01:49:01 PM
the spin cycle has been turned on
 
2012-08-03 01:49:39 PM
Wait I'm confused. What were the "June Jobs numbers". Was that un-employment or employment?

This shizz gets so confusing, especially when partisan blogs are actively trying to confuse you.
 
2012-08-03 01:50:30 PM
i152.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-03 01:52:03 PM

ShawnDoc:

I remember people on Fark pointing these revisions was Bush was pres.


Yes. And this is the offensive line used to try to preempt any current discussion of the topic, because fark a rational debate:

unlikely: THIS month, though, DOOM DOOM DOOM WHAR JORBS OBUMMER WHARRRRRR???

 
2012-08-03 01:55:47 PM

impaler: ShawnDoc: Pretty sure they have had to revise the numbers every month since they began publishing them.

The initial report comes out, then 3 weeks or so later the final report comes out, and the numbers are usually different.

Yep, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics alters the goods used to calculate CPI. Because believe it or not, we aren't buying cassette tapes like we did in the 80s. This too is "proof" the government just makes shat up to fool the sheeple. The real truth is given to us by the people at shadowstats.

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Link


OK I know I need my troll detector recalibrated, but you ARE joking, right?
 
2012-08-03 01:56:39 PM

cman: I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.


Obama Method of Job Reporting:

1.) Report good numbers.
2.) Media covers good numbers.
3.) Say OOPS WE MESSED UP LOLOL and revise numbers to half.
4.) Media doesn't report it.
5.) I R SUPR GOOD PRESIDENT NOW?!?!
 
2012-08-03 01:57:03 PM

unlikely: cman: I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.

It's business as usual. The script every month goes like this:

Jobs report last month was wrong, numbers aren't as bad as we thought.
THIS month, though, DOOM DOOM DOOM WHAR JORBS OBUMMER WHARRRRRR???


The chocolate rations have been increased again.

Also unemployment is a lie. When 1000 people stop claiming unemployment, we say 1000 jobs were created. After 1 year, when you're not allowed to claim unemployment anymore, you fall off the end; that's reported as 1 job created. If your "job" is to sit at home drawing off your 401(k) searching the newspaper want ads, that's still 1 job created.
 
2012-08-03 01:57:04 PM
I'm a Republican with a stable job. I want Obama to lose re-election. And I know that high unemployment definitely makes it likelier that Obama loses.

But I can't bring myself to feel any silver-lining-joy at this news. Sustained unemployment is a depressing storm of life-ruining shiat for millions of people. I'd rather have low unemployment than for Romney to gain an upper hand from the bad economy.
 
2012-08-03 01:58:38 PM

Chuckus: Wait I'm confused. What were the "June Jobs numbers". Was that un-employment or employment?

This shizz gets so confusing, especially when partisan blogs are actively trying to confuse you.


They list the number of new jobs created, and the lie and say it is a high number.
They report the unemployment rate, and lie and say it is a low number.

Then they revise the jobs down and unemployment up every week until the next report comes out.
 
2012-08-03 01:59:12 PM
Real unemployment is at least 17%. And much worse than that for young people.

The U-6 is closer to the truth, but everything government says is a lie (including the commas and apostrophes).
 
2012-08-03 01:59:53 PM
Whether or not I want Obama to continue his Democrat regime another 4 years, I sure as hell don't want that Mormon cultist in the White House for even a day.

So four more years, please.
 
2012-08-03 02:04:06 PM
If this tactic is the only thing rmoney is going with, then the debates are going to be absolute comedy gold. He's gonna be twitching and wincing more than McCain did.
 
2012-08-03 02:04:26 PM
Complete with 2% stock market increase based on positive jobs report. Obey.
 
2012-08-03 02:04:43 PM
Whats the employment Konami code? Was it left right left right up down.. shiat. I always forget.
 
2012-08-03 02:05:14 PM
Don't cry for me ARGENTINA!
 
2012-08-03 02:05:54 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Whether or not I want Obama to continue his Democrat regime another 4 years, I sure as hell don't want that Mormon cultist in the White House for even a day.

So four more years, please.


So very much this. 4 years of Romney and we'll be serfs again, tied to the land.
 
2012-08-03 02:08:30 PM
Maybe things would be better for American workers if the GOP hadn't killed the anti-outsourcing bill.
 
2012-08-03 02:08:48 PM
It's wierd. This county I work in has an unemployment rate at below 4.5%. There is a corporation 20 minutes from here that desperately needs 200+ workers and are begging for workers. Problem is, the 4.5% that is unemployed are either unemployable or do not want to work. These jobs start out at $13-$15.00 an hour (non skilled). If you can operate a lathe or weld, the starting pay is $19.00 an hour.

There is another place nearby that make Honda engine blocks. They pay well also and are working their people 65-70 hours a week because they cannot find enough good workers to fill the pay roll.
 
2012-08-03 02:12:32 PM
Woops. I was wrong. It ticed up to 4.6%. Sorry, my bad.

Among the state's 88 counties, the June 2012 unemployment rates ranged from a low of 4.6
percent in Mercer County to a high of 13.0 percent in Pike County. Rates increased in 85 of the
88 counties. In June, the comparable rate for Ohio was 7.4 percent. (See table below).
Seven counties had unemployment rates at or below 6.0 percent in June. The counties with the
lowest rates, other than Mercer were: Holmes, 5.1; Delaware, 5.2; Union, 5.7; Auglaize and
Putnam, 5.8; and Erie, 6.0 percent.
Ten counties had unemployment rates at or above 10.0 percent during June. The counties with
the highest rates, other than Pike were: Meigs, 12.0; Scioto, 11.1; Morgan, 10.7; Adams, 10.6;
Clinton, 10.5; Noble and Vinton, 10.4; Jefferson, 10.2, and Coshocton, 10.0 percent.
EDITOR'S NOTE: These estimates, prepared in cooperation with the Bureau of Labor
Statistics, U.S. Department of Labor, are based on 2011 benchmark and geared to county of
residence. Unemployment rates for all Ohio counties as well as cities with populations of
50,000 or more are presented in the monthly ODJFS Civilian Labor Force Estimates
publication. For updated statewide historical data visit http://ohiolmi.com/asp/laus/vbLaus.htm
or contact the Bureau of Labor Market Information at (614) 752-9494.
July 2012 unemployment rates and nonagricultural wage and salary data for Ohio will be
released by ODJFS on Friday, August 17, 2012. County, city and metropolitan area
unemployment rates will be available on Tuesday, August 21, 2012. This information and the
monthly statistical summaries it is based on are also available at http://jfs.ohio.gov/releases.
 
2012-08-03 02:13:20 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Whether or not I want Obama to continue his Democrat regime another 4 years, I sure as hell don't want that Mormon cultist in the White House for even a day.

So four more years, please.


Sadly this.
 
2012-08-03 02:13:43 PM

Bullseyed: cman: I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.

Obama Method of Job Reporting:

1.) Report good numbers.
2.) Media covers good numbers.
3.) Say OOPS WE MESSED UP LOLOL and revise numbers to half.
4.) Media doesn't report it.
5.) I R SUPR GOOD PRESIDENT NOW?!?!


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-03 02:15:40 PM
-Enforce balanced budgets on pain of a general recall of legislators, watch a budget get passed.
-Deregulate lots of industries, watch the economy take off.
-Dismiss all patent lawsuits currently in progress, ignore all new suits for 5 years, watch the technology industry take off.
-Dismiss all copyright/trademark lawsuits currently in progress, ignore all new suits for 5 years, watch the arts industries boom.

At some point you have to decide that it's gotten bad enough, and you'll do anything to fix it. At that moment, deregulation in the past sounds a heck of a lot better than handing more power over to clearly incompetent leaders who haven't improved anything. The only problem is that now you've gone too far down the road and now everyone somehow wants to vote for more morons to keep their office because the other moron they might disagree with more.

It's much easier to take choice away from an educated and armed population by convincing them of limited options, than outright denying them choices. If someone tells an American to do something or else, they generally respond quite badly. If someone tells an American, "well, you've got two choices, bad, and worse," they generally accept and chose. America has been convinced of the nonsense of limited options for decades now. When I started voting I had grown adults chastising me for voting for 3rd parties, telling me I was throwing my vote away. I consider those adults to be the primary reason America is where it is right now. I see Americans continue to believe that their options are just getting more limited by the day.

That tells me something, it should tell you something.

Please, just vote out the incumbents at least, none of them have earned the right to return.
 
2012-08-03 02:15:59 PM

Phinn: Real unemployment is at least 17%. And much worse than that for young people.

The U-6 is closer to the truth, but everything government says is a lie (including the commas and apostrophes).


DERP!

U6 is 15%, not 17%. And U6 can be accurately estimated by multiplying U3 by 1.74. They say the same thing but in different scales. So why are you reporting unemployment on a scale where 8% unemployment would be considered good, but pretending it's the same scale where 8% is bad? You're accusation of lies is just psychological projection.

research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-08-03 02:19:02 PM

Bullseyed: cman: I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.

Obama Method of Job Reporting:

1.) Report good numbers.
2.) Media covers good numbers.
3.) Say OOPS WE MESSED UP LOLOL and revise numbers to half.
4.) Media doesn't report it.
5.) I R SUPR GOOD PRESIDENT NOW?!?!


Pretty much dead on the farking money there. Now cue the moron who is going to TIPE IN ALL CAPPS WITH MIZPELT WURDS BECAWZE they don't have a coherent argument to refute this process that we see every month.

Face it. You elected a damn dud and he brought his buddies with him. You did the cool thing and it made you feel good for a while, but now it's time to get your head out of your ass.

/OBUMMER! - I do like that one.
 
2012-08-03 02:20:30 PM
Oh good, another thread filled with people who forgot how the BLS works from the last time we had this discussion.
 
2012-08-03 02:22:31 PM
The reaffirms all my previously held beliefs.
 
2012-08-03 02:23:34 PM

BobDeluxe: Pretty much dead on the farking money there. Now cue the moron who is going to TIPE IN ALL CAPPS WITH MIZPELT WURDS BECAWZE they don't have a coherent argument to refute this process that we see every month.

Face it. You elected a damn dud and he brought his buddies with him. You did the cool thing and it made you feel good for a while, but now it's time to get your head out of your ass.


Yep. The Bureau of Labor Statistics does exactly what Obama orders them to do, and they do. Since there are no Republicans in government anywhere, no one can stop it either.

Or course if they revised numbers the other direction, you would be posting this:
1.) Report numbers.
2.) Media covers numbers saying they're bad.
3.) Say OOPS WE MESSED UP LOLOL and revise numbers to good.
4.) I R SUPR GOOD PRESIDENT NOW?!?!
 
2012-08-03 02:25:10 PM
Unemployment rate rising isn't much of an alarm. Could be more discouraged workers (that weren't counted in previous numbers) are now looking for work, which is a good thing.
 
2012-08-03 02:29:47 PM
I think it's about time the Fed hit ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A
 
2012-08-03 02:33:00 PM

Phinn: Real unemployment is at least 17%. And much worse than that for young people.

The U-6 is closer to the truth, but everything government says is a lie (including the commas and apostrophes).


And I'm SURE that if a Republican were in office you'd say the exact same thing.
 
2012-08-03 02:35:02 PM

BobDeluxe: Bullseyed: cman: I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.

Obama Method of Job Reporting:

1.) Report good numbers.
2.) Media covers good numbers.
3.) Say OOPS WE MESSED UP LOLOL and revise numbers to half.
4.) Media doesn't report it.
5.) I R SUPR GOOD PRESIDENT NOW?!?!

Pretty much dead on the farking money there. Now cue the moron who is going to TIPE IN ALL CAPPS WITH MIZPELT WURDS BECAWZE they don't have a coherent argument to refute this process that we see every month.

Face it. You elected a damn dud and he brought his buddies with him...


Why bring Bush into this? The economy sucks now for the same reason it sucked in the Carter years...the prior guys in office put a ten-year war on the national credit card, and now the bill is due.

Wars, like any government program, cost money: if you won't sell bonds or raise taxes to pay for them, you pay for them in other ways.

Now cue the idiots who think we've already paid for the Iraq War...
 
2012-08-03 02:38:00 PM

Chuckus: Wait I'm confused. What were the "June Jobs numbers". Was that un-employment or employment?

This shizz gets so confusing, especially when partisan blogs are actively trying to confuse you.


It's the seasonally adjusted change in the total number of jobs. The BLS surveys employers to see how many people are employed, and usually there are surveys that are returned late, so they issue an estimate for the ones who haven't completed their surveys. The revision is usually when those surveys come back with different results than the estimate. I don't know if they also screw around with the seasonal adjustment in that process, but that's a biatch too.
 
2012-08-03 02:38:51 PM
See? Not taxing the job creators is working!
 
2012-08-03 02:39:43 PM
Or MAYBE, just MAYBE, this is Glenn Beck's propaganda organization. Totally unbiased.
 
2012-08-03 02:39:52 PM

Big Man On Campus: -Enforce balanced budgets on pain of a general recall of legislators, watch a budget get passed.
-Deregulate lots of industries, watch the economy take off.
-Dismiss all patent lawsuits currently in progress, ignore all new suits for 5 years, watch the technology industry take off.
-Dismiss all copyright/trademark lawsuits currently in progress, ignore all new suits for 5 years, watch the arts industries boom.

At some point you have to decide that it's gotten bad enough, and you'll do anything to fix it. At that moment, deregulation in the past sounds a heck of a lot better than handing more power over to clearly incompetent leaders who haven't improved anything. The only problem is that now you've gone too far down the road and now everyone somehow wants to vote for more morons to keep their office because the other moron they might disagree with more.

It's much easier to take choice away from an educated and armed population by convincing them of limited options, than outright denying them choices. If someone tells an American to do something or else, they generally respond quite badly. If someone tells an American, "well, you've got two choices, bad, and worse," they generally accept and chose. America has been convinced of the nonsense of limited options for decades now. When I started voting I had grown adults chastising me for voting for 3rd parties, telling me I was throwing my vote away. I consider those adults to be the primary reason America is where it is right now. I see Americans continue to believe that their options are just getting more limited by the day.

That tells me something, it should tell you something.

Please, just vote out the incumbents at least, none of them have earned the right to return.


your jib, i like it.
 
2012-08-03 02:41:52 PM

jst3p: AverageAmericanGuy: Whether or not I want Obama to continue his Democrat regime another 4 years, I sure as hell don't want that Mormon cultist in the White House for even a day.

So four more years, please.

Sadly this.


Sadly bigotry?
 
2012-08-03 02:42:51 PM

impaler: BobDeluxe: Pretty much dead on the farking money there. Now cue the moron who is going to TIPE IN ALL CAPPS WITH MIZPELT WURDS BECAWZE they don't have a coherent argument to refute this process that we see every month.

Face it. You elected a damn dud and he brought his buddies with him. You did the cool thing and it made you feel good for a while, but now it's time to get your head out of your ass.

Yep. The Bureau of Labor Statistics does exactly what Obama orders them to do, and they do. Since there are no Republicans in government anywhere, no one can stop it either.

Or course if they revised numbers the other direction, you would be posting this:
1.) Report numbers.
2.) Media covers numbers saying they're bad.
3.) Say OOPS WE MESSED UP LOLOL and revise numbers to good.
4.) I R SUPR GOOD PRESIDENT NOW?!?!


They've revised the numbers down every month of Obama's presidency, never up.
 
2012-08-03 02:44:11 PM

PunGent: the prior guys in office put a ten-year war on the national credit card, and now the bill is due.


You could have just typed "I have no farking clue how debt and the economy works" and we would have gotten the same point.
 
2012-08-03 02:44:57 PM
Oh good. Now we get another monthly dose of negativity from Romney about Obama sans an actual plan how he'd do anything different. I'll take the current Republican in the WH, thanks.
 
2012-08-03 02:47:32 PM

Bullseyed: They've revised the numbers down every month of Obama's presidency, never up.


The jobs report that was released today, the very one that we're all talking about, revised the amount of jobs added in may from 77,000 to 87,000.

Link

I'm not saying you're full of shiat, but...oh wait, yes I am.
 
2012-08-03 02:48:32 PM

Dexterman: cman: I gotta give them credit.

They admit that a mistake was made in their tallying. They fessed up and revised.

pretty sure they have had to revise the numbers every month since 2010


The way these things work is the government, in an effort to get results out fast, deliberately uses less reliable numbers, then in future months issues a series of corrections as better data becomes available. It's a conscious tradeoff that's made to get figures out quickly. The alternative is to wait several months before announcing in order to get better results, which nobody much wants to do.
 
2012-08-03 02:48:37 PM
This is just the typical election year statistical sweepstakes. The closer to the election, the better the announced numbers become.

Statistics are merely mathematical generalizations.

Between Barry and Willard, is there a third choice?
 
2012-08-03 02:50:33 PM

Bullseyed: Obama Method of Job Reporting:

1.) Report good numbers.
2.) Media covers good numbers.
3.) Say OOPS WE MESSED UP LOLOL and revise numbers to half.
4.) Media doesn't report it.
5.) I R SUPR GOOD PRESIDENT NOW?!?!




This.
 
2012-08-03 02:54:42 PM

6655321: This is just the typical election year statistical sweepstakes. The closer to the election, the better the announced numbers become.


In 1996, 2000, and 2004 the numbers stayed pretty stagnant. In 2008 they got worse, not better.

So WTF are you talking about?

---------
Statistics are merely mathematical generalizations.

That's just something stupid people that can't understand statistics say.
 
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