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2012-08-03 01:20:28 PM  

sweetmelissa31: FlyingLizardOfDoom: No sales tax, property tax, or thumb tacks?

/nice one, mittens

That's funny, coming from the same people who have been accusing 50% of Americans of paying no taxes.


And the same people that claim, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
 
2012-08-03 01:22:07 PM  
"Better to remain silent and be thought a tax cheat fool than to release your records speak and remove all doubt" - Abraham Lincoln
 
2012-08-03 01:22:24 PM  
If Harry Reid really knows something, I'll expect him to say something like "if Romney releases his returns and proves he paid taxes every year, I'll step down as Majority Leader. Mitt, it's your turn to put up or shut up."

Considering how they've demonized Reid, any failure to release records will be an admission that he didn't pay taxes.
 
2012-08-03 01:22:45 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Though I don't think Obama's part of a church that requires tithing.



Tithing is a Biblical concept. So I guess that makes Obama is a Muslim


/Couldn't resist the low hanging fruit
 
2012-08-03 01:27:34 PM  

cgw_niu: Lord Dimwit: * The President released his birth certificate.


* There was no question where the President was born, no contradictory evidence. Romney has said one thing and had SEC filings say another. In fact, he may be guilty of perjury. Releasing his tax returns would be further evidence one way or the other. There is an actual question here, unlike the President's birthplace.

* The President didn't make one of his central campaign planks about birth certificates. One of Romney's core messages is that the rich pay too much in taxes, and yet he won't say how much he pays.


It did take him several years and Donald Fricken Trump for him to release the real one

Birthers still question where he was born regardless of the Birth Cert. If the SEC thinks that Romney violated the law then they should charge him with it. The laws in Hi allow for the first form that Obama released originally for foreign born persons. He trolled birthers in a bad way for several years.

Romney has said that the Rich pay too much taxes? Really? He has said that no-one should have their taxes raised in a bad economy. The same as Obama last year. I would not be surprised to see Romney raise taxes on the rich if the economy gets going.


Birthers could be whisked back to the day of his birth via official GOP-Endorsed Time Machine to actively hand-deliver the lad into the world and they'd still question where he was born. BIRTHERS ARE MORONS.
 
2012-08-03 01:27:48 PM  

cgw_niu: It did take him several years and Donald Fricken Trump for him to release the real one


*Plonk*

That's about all I can take.
 
2012-08-03 01:27:48 PM  

Lord Dimwit: That is a fair concern. But I will bet that you had mostly payroll tax and he had capital gains taxes. remember that he paid taxes on the money that he used as the principal on those investments. So his rates are deceiving. I personally believe that your rates should be lowered to his not his raised to yours. I hope to be in his shoes someday and I am working hard on that.

Okay. I get it now. 9/10.



Step 1 become debt free

Step 2 Emergency Fund so you don't go into debt again

Step 3 Max out 401k, Roth and Standard IRAs, and invest then invest the rest in well performing funds

Step 4 live off of interest in retirement

Working so far, but started too late. Anyone can do it
 
2012-08-03 01:28:23 PM  

Captain Dan: It would likely be a progressive consumption tax


Explain how a progressive consumption tax would work without creating an even greater level of bureaucracy than we have now.
 
2012-08-03 01:29:32 PM  

cgw_niu: Lord Dimwit: That is a fair concern. But I will bet that you had mostly payroll tax and he had capital gains taxes. remember that he paid taxes on the money that he used as the principal on those investments. So his rates are deceiving. I personally believe that your rates should be lowered to his not his raised to yours. I hope to be in his shoes someday and I am working hard on that.

Okay. I get it now. 9/10.


Step 1 become debt free

Step 2 Emergency Fund so you don't go into debt again

Step 3 Max out 401k, Roth and Standard IRAs, and invest then invest the rest in well performing funds

Step 4 live off of interest in retirement

Working so far, but started too late. Anyone can do it


Well, anyone with a 401k, Roth and other IRAs and a good paying job.
 
2012-08-03 01:30:07 PM  

cgw_niu: I hope to be in his shoes someday and I am working hard on that.


So you're one of those "temporarily inconvenienced millionaires" that we hear about so much these days?
 
2012-08-03 01:30:28 PM  

odinsposse: cgw_niu: It did take him several years and Donald Fricken Trump for him to release the real one

*Plonk*

That's about all I can take.



LMAO! Sad but true. When "The Donald" got involved and big part of my wished he didn't ask Hi to release his original, but he did.
 
2012-08-03 01:32:13 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: So you're one of those "temporarily inconvenienced millionaires" that we hear about so much these days?


Try "illiterate moron".
 
2012-08-03 01:34:01 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: cgw_niu: I hope to be in his shoes someday and I am working hard on that.

So you're one of those "temporarily inconvenienced millionaires" that we hear about so much these days?



Not yet, but I am working on it. It is amazing how much money you can actually have when you get out of debt. I was flat ass broke living paycheck to paycheck and using CC's to get by. Now the money that went to the CC's goes into retirement. It doesn't happen overnight and it is not easy, but the path is there for everyone in the 99%
 
2012-08-03 01:34:09 PM  

cgw_niu: Lord Dimwit: * The President released his birth certificate.


* There was no question where the President was born, no contradictory evidence. Romney has said one thing and had SEC filings say another. In fact, he may be guilty of perjury. Releasing his tax returns would be further evidence one way or the other. There is an actual question here, unlike the President's birthplace.

* The President didn't make one of his central campaign planks about birth certificates. One of Romney's core messages is that the rich pay too much in taxes, and yet he won't say how much he pays.


It did take him several years and Donald Fricken Trump for him to release the real one

Birthers still question where he was born regardless of the Birth Cert. If the SEC thinks that Romney violated the law then they should charge him with it. The laws in Hi allow for the first form that Obama released originally for foreign born persons. He trolled birthers in a bad way for several years.

Romney has said that the Rich pay too much taxes? Really? He has said that no-one should have their taxes raised in a bad economy. The same as Obama last year. I would not be surprised to see Romney raise taxes on the rich if the economy gets going.


That has been disproven many, many times. I was pretty sure earlier you were trolling, now I am totally sure. Good job, though. You had me rolling for a while.

(For the record, I got particularly suspicious when you played the "temporarily embarassed millionaire" card.)
 
2012-08-03 01:35:13 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: cgw_niu: I hope to be in his shoes someday and I am working hard on that.

So you're one of those "temporarily inconvenienced millionaires" that we hear about so much these days?


His super secret government terrorism training will start getting him the big bucks soon enough.
 
2012-08-03 01:36:02 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Ford Perfect: If Mitt releases more tax returns, he will have many more charges, baseless or not, to answer to. He will have to answer charges based on every page of his tax returns, and stories about every deduction he made.
Right now all he has to answer to is a charge with no evidence and a story that sounds exaggerated. You don't hand ammo to your opposition.

If he had released the records weeks or months ago, this would all be over. If he had released them even a couple of weeks back, and it showed that there is nothing there, this would be just a memory by now. His adamant refusal is what's fueling the speculation, and even if there ultimately proves to be nothing shady in them, they will be dissected with a much sharper scalpel than if he had not made an issue of them. It has escalated, by his own doing, from questions regarding his finances to questions regarding his judgement. He's letting his ego take charge of his decisions, and that may not be a good quality for a President to hold.


I agree that Romney should have released his returns way before this. But he didn't. To do so now would look like he was acquiescing to Reid's demands thus encouraging more of this behavior. My opinion for what it's worth is that this will hurt the Obama campaign by solidifying support for Romney, especially those who aren't exactly sweet on him anyway, and draw Independents who hate this kind of political behavior.
 
2012-08-03 01:37:32 PM  
Sucks to be you people.
 
2012-08-03 01:38:43 PM  

cman: GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.

Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns

It's exactly what it is, and Reid doesn't have the legal authority to release the returns. Romney does. He refused to release them, this is what you get.

Romney should release them no doubt. That is the standard set by our Presidential candidates dating back for a long time. I dont know about privacy laws concerning tax returns, but is it really ethical for someone to expose another person like this?


I don't know if this has been covered, I haven't read the whole thread but privacy laws concerning tax information are very strict.
Where I work we have access to some tax information and our access is tracked, we have notices up every where stating tax information is here and citing IRS codes. We have to watch a video about the laws and sign off that we have watched it every year. If I just look at someone's tax information that I don't have to for work I could possible go to jail and pay heavy fines. We don't even see full tax filings, just if someone gets a tax return. There is a hotline number to turn people in if we see a violation.
Tax info has to stored behind two locked doors with only certain people able to have access. This is tracked by who uses their badges to get in and out of those areas.
These laws have been on the books for awhile but full enforcement did not come down until Obama's adminstration (at least at our office). Apparently from what we were told the Bush adminstration wasn't too concerned regarding enforcement but Obama's is. It's a big deal. I wouldn't want to be the person who leaks Romney's filings. It is all tracked of who has access to the info and I imagine someone would be prosecuted or take the fall.
In short: tax info, very big deal. Everyone who has access is tracked.
 
2012-08-03 01:40:59 PM  

jackieeeee: cman: GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.

Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns

It's exactly what it is, and Reid doesn't have the legal authority to release the returns. Romney does. He refused to release them, this is what you get.

Romney should release them no doubt. That is the standard set by our Presidential candidates dating back for a long time. I dont know about privacy laws concerning tax returns, but is it really ethical for someone to expose another person like this?

I don't know if this has been covered, I haven't read the whole thread but privacy laws concerning tax information are very strict.
Where I work we have access to some tax information and our access is tracked, we have notices up every where stating tax information is here and citing IRS codes. We have to watch a video about the laws and sign off that we have watched it every year. If I just look at someone's tax information that I don't have to for work I could possible go to jail and pay heavy fines. We don't even see full tax filings, just if someone gets a tax return. There is a hotline number to turn people in if we see a violation.
Tax info has to stored behind two locked doors with only certain people able to have access. This is tracked by who uses their badges to get in and out of those areas.
These laws have been on the books for awhile but full enforcement did not come down until Obama's adminstration (at least at our office). Apparently from what we were told the Bush adminstration wasn't too concer ...


...so you're saying Obama is hiding something in his taxes? 'Cause that's what I'm hearing. Why won't 0bama release his real tax returns???
 
2012-08-03 01:41:55 PM  

Ford Perfect: More_Like_A_Stain: Ford Perfect: If Mitt releases more tax returns, he will have many more charges, baseless or not, to answer to. He will have to answer charges based on every page of his tax returns, and stories about every deduction he made.
Right now all he has to answer to is a charge with no evidence and a story that sounds exaggerated. You don't hand ammo to your opposition.

If he had released the records weeks or months ago, this would all be over. If he had released them even a couple of weeks back, and it showed that there is nothing there, this would be just a memory by now. His adamant refusal is what's fueling the speculation, and even if there ultimately proves to be nothing shady in them, they will be dissected with a much sharper scalpel than if he had not made an issue of them. It has escalated, by his own doing, from questions regarding his finances to questions regarding his judgement. He's letting his ego take charge of his decisions, and that may not be a good quality for a President to hold.

I agree that Romney should have released his returns way before this. But he didn't. To do so now would look like he was acquiescing to Reid's demands thus encouraging more of this behavior. My opinion for what it's worth is that this will hurt the Obama campaign by solidifying support for Romney, especially those who aren't exactly sweet on him anyway, and draw Independents who hate this kind of political behavior.


Wait, wait. You think that this is going to draw support TO Romney? Is that his plan? To appeal to 'pity voters'?

"Oh, damn that Obama! He's pointing out that Romney is deliberately hiding his financial records and there are rumors that he's paid NOTHING in taxes for ten years! That does it, I'm going to support the guy who's hiding his tax records!"

lol
 
2012-08-03 01:42:54 PM  

Ford Perfect: My opinion for what it's worth is that this will hurt the Obama campaign by solidifying support for Romney, especially those who aren't exactly sweet on him anyway, and draw Independents who hate this kind of political behavior.


Yeah. I'm sure that's what is going to happen. I mean, that's why John Kerry so soundly defeated Bush in 2004. The backlash from the swiftboating.
 
2012-08-03 01:45:00 PM  

Halli: More_Like_A_Stain: cgw_niu: I hope to be in his shoes someday and I am working hard on that.

So you're one of those "temporarily inconvenienced millionaires" that we hear about so much these days?

His super secret government terrorism training will start getting him the big bucks soon enough.




LOL Link

Good Memory!
 
2012-08-03 01:45:51 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Explain how a progressive consumption tax would work without creating an even greater level of bureaucracy than we have now.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=progressive+consumption+tax+implementation
 
2012-08-03 01:46:33 PM  

jackieeeee: In short: tax info, very big deal. Everyone who has access is tracked.


Of course the person who is this source may not have official access. He may just be parroting a Romney boast over oefs au creme anglaise at the National Dressage Association breakfast.
 
2012-08-03 01:48:37 PM  

Skleenar: jackieeeee: In short: tax info, very big deal. Everyone who has access is tracked.

Of course the person who is this source may not have official access. He may just be parroting a Romney boast over oefs au creme anglaise at the National Dressage Association breakfast.


Man, now I want oeufs au creme anglaise avec cheval et les enfants des le troiseme etat.
 
2012-08-03 01:49:12 PM  

Captain Dan: Mitt Romney is probably the most intelligent candidate to run for President since Jimmy Carter.



What are you basing this off of?
 
2012-08-03 01:49:25 PM  

Infernalist: Wait, wait. You think that this is going to draw support TO Romney? Is that his plan? To appeal to 'pity voters'?


Makes as much sense as any of the other cries of victimization from the Republicans. It's really quite a clever plan. "Vote for me! Putin will see just what a pussy I am and leave us alone out of sympathy!" Who will they run the next time, John "Waterworks" Boehner?
 
2012-08-03 01:51:08 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Captain Dan: Mitt Romney is probably the most intelligent candidate to run for President since Jimmy Carter.


What are you basing this off of?


Bath salts.
 
2012-08-03 01:51:44 PM  
I'm still waiting for the Birthers who were upset that Obama's father was born outside of the country to raise the same stink about Romney's Mexican-born father.

Or the people who complained about Grey Poupon and Arugula to explain how Romney is much less east-coast elitest.

...still waiting...
 
2012-08-03 01:54:55 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I'm still waiting for the Birthers who were upset that Obama's father was born outside of the country to raise the same stink about Romney's Mexican-born father.

Or the people who complained about Grey Poupon and Arugula to explain how Romney is much less east-coast elitest.

...still waiting...


well, old Georgie was a natural born citizen by virtue of his parents both being citizens who were living abroad.

The Romster is leaps and bounds more elite than BO though, that's for shizzle
 
2012-08-03 01:56:53 PM  
His base is really worried about him using tax laws to his advantage and independents really hate a candidate that knows how to operate in a business environment.

Yep, this will surely sink him.
 
2012-08-03 01:57:48 PM  

skullkrusher: Lord Dimwit: I'm still waiting for the Birthers who were upset that Obama's father was born outside of the country to raise the same stink about Romney's Mexican-born father.

Or the people who complained about Grey Poupon and Arugula to explain how Romney is much less east-coast elitest.

...still waiting...

well, old Georgie was a natural born citizen by virtue of his parents both being citizens who were living abroad.

The Romster is leaps and bounds more elite than BO though, that's for shizzle


But George Romney was also a Mexican citizen. I was told that people who hold dual citizenship can't be natural-born citizens.
 
2012-08-03 01:58:34 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I'm still waiting for the Birthers who were upset that Obama's father was born outside of the country to raise the same stink about Romney's Mexican-born father.

Or the people who complained about Grey Poupon and Arugula to explain how Romney is much less east-coast elitest.

...still waiting...




WAIT A MINUTE....Romney is Latino??? Holy FARK! Now I can't vote for him (that is what liberals really think)

The fact that Romney is a east/left coast elitest is part of why his personal likability is so low. It is really hard to warm up to those type of people. i.e Kerry
 
2012-08-03 02:00:21 PM  

Lord Dimwit: But George Romney was also a Mexican citizen. I was told that people who hold dual citizenship can't be natural-born citizens.


I did not know that. I guess it makes sense if Mexico has jus soli citizenship
 
2012-08-03 02:01:13 PM  

cgw_niu: Lord Dimwit: I'm still waiting for the Birthers who were upset that Obama's father was born outside of the country to raise the same stink about Romney's Mexican-born father.

Or the people who complained about Grey Poupon and Arugula to explain how Romney is much less east-coast elitest.

...still waiting...



WAIT A MINUTE....Romney is Latino??? Holy FARK! Now I can't vote for him (that is what liberals really think)

The fact that Romney is a east/left coast elitest is part of why his personal likability is so low. It is really hard to warm up to those type of people. i.e Kerry


it would allow him to trace hispanic origins. Not a latino.
 
2012-08-03 02:01:21 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Captain Dan: Mitt Romney is probably the most intelligent candidate to run for President since Jimmy Carter.

What are you basing this off of?


His academic and business achievements, combined with his stint as governor of Massachusetts. The recent rhetorical dumbing-down has been affected for a presidential election.
 
2012-08-03 02:01:31 PM  

mycatisposter: Yep, this will surely sink him.



It's already sinking him. Obama now has the biggest lead yet.
 
2012-08-03 02:03:34 PM  

mycatisposter: His base is really worried about him using tax laws to his advantage and independents really hate a candidate that knows how to operate in a business environment.

Yep, this will surely sink him.


His 'base' hates him based on the fact that he's not Santorum or Newt or RON PAUL. They hate his guts because he's everything that they despise. Smart and cultured and East-Coast-Elitist and all that jazz.

The independents dislike him because he's viewed as a sleezy vulture capitalist and is prone to saying and doing whatever it takes to be liked by whoever is looking at him at the moment.

The independents don't hate him because he's a businessman, they hate him because he's filthy rich and complains about paying taxes that he won't even miss. They hate him because he's a caricature of the Rich Bastard who likes to fire people.

And they're not wrong to hate him.
 
2012-08-03 02:03:59 PM  

Captain Dan: The recent rhetorical dumbing-down has been affected for a presidential election.



The "dumbing down" has been more than rhetorical. I think the dude is book smart. By every other measurement, his intelligence is average.
 
2012-08-03 02:09:31 PM  

Skleenar: jackieeeee: In short: tax info, very big deal. Everyone who has access is tracked.

Of course the person who is this source may not have official access. He may just be parroting a Romney boast over oefs au creme anglaise at the National Dressage Association breakfast.


Very true!

I just know if someone leaks his actual tax filings, with our laws, someone would have to go down. I don't see Romney just letting that go and we have laws to prosecute anyone who even looks at unauthorized tax information. He can talk about his own tax information all he wants but unless he authorizes the release, leaking the actual filings is a very big deal.

My opinion is that his taxes show that the GOP's whole economic agrument for more tax cuts for the wealthy would be shown to completely invalid. I think it's bigger than him (though I also think he believes us normal people have no right to his see business), it would show how very little the 1% actually pay and that they live by different rules. If that is put to the American public in black and white their whole argument is toast.
 
2012-08-03 02:10:48 PM  
My theory: Romney really did believe he paid federal taxes, and the people who are in charge of his money never really talked about it with him because, well, why would they? He's paying them to maximize his tax benefits and protect his wealth.

Now, he's found out that he's put his foot in his mouth because he's paid none, and he's embarrassed and afraid to admit the truth.

Of course, given that Romney behaves like a sociopath much of the time, the occam's razor option is that he just lied and didn't think he'd get caught. Ironic, given that his father started the revelation to the press of 12 years of tax returns tradition.
 
2012-08-03 02:12:43 PM  

secularsage: My theory: Romney really did believe he paid federal taxes, and the people who are in charge of his money never really talked about it with him because, well, why would they? He's paying them to maximize his tax benefits and protect his wealth.

Now, he's found out that he's put his foot in his mouth because he's paid none, and he's embarrassed and afraid to admit the truth.

Of course, given that Romney behaves like a sociopath much of the time, the occam's razor option is that he just lied and didn't think he'd get caught. Ironic, given that his father started the revelation to the press of 12 years of tax returns tradition.


Romney still had to sign his returns. He knew what was in there.

Releasing 12 years of tax returns is not a tradition.
 
2012-08-03 02:18:32 PM  

skullkrusher: secularsage: My theory: Romney really did believe he paid federal taxes, and the people who are in charge of his money never really talked about it with him because, well, why would they? He's paying them to maximize his tax benefits and protect his wealth.

Now, he's found out that he's put his foot in his mouth because he's paid none, and he's embarrassed and afraid to admit the truth.

Of course, given that Romney behaves like a sociopath much of the time, the occam's razor option is that he just lied and didn't think he'd get caught. Ironic, given that his father started the revelation to the press of 12 years of tax returns tradition.

Romney still had to sign his returns. He knew what was in there.

Releasing 12 years of tax returns is not a tradition.


Whatever it is, the fact that he hasn't released those records is unusual. Unusual enough for people to fixate upon it.

It's like...Having accidentally caught himself on fire, he'd rather burn to death rather than strip off his burning clothes and be embarrassed at being flabby and pale and naked.
 
2012-08-03 02:21:32 PM  
i bet romney has nothing to hide and he's just playing the opposition. he'll probably offer to trade one year's tax return for obamas college transcripts. maybe another year for the fast and furious documents, and so on.
 
2012-08-03 02:21:42 PM  

Infernalist: skullkrusher: secularsage: My theory: Romney really did believe he paid federal taxes, and the people who are in charge of his money never really talked about it with him because, well, why would they? He's paying them to maximize his tax benefits and protect his wealth.

Now, he's found out that he's put his foot in his mouth because he's paid none, and he's embarrassed and afraid to admit the truth.

Of course, given that Romney behaves like a sociopath much of the time, the occam's razor option is that he just lied and didn't think he'd get caught. Ironic, given that his father started the revelation to the press of 12 years of tax returns tradition.

Romney still had to sign his returns. He knew what was in there.

Releasing 12 years of tax returns is not a tradition.

Whatever it is, the fact that he hasn't released those records is unusual. Unusual enough for people to fixate upon it.

It's like...Having accidentally caught himself on fire, he'd rather burn to death rather than strip off his burning clothes and be embarrassed at being flabby and pale and naked.


he's released 2 years. Less than most, more than some since his father's campaign. 12 years of returns isn't anything resembling a tradition. As I said, I think BO is the only candidate since Romney the Elder to do so
 
2012-08-03 02:22:06 PM  

cgw_niu: Romney and his wife contributed $1 million to the Olympics, and he donated to charity the $1.4 million in salary and severance payments he received for his three years as president and CEO. Link

So how much in taxes do you pay when you donate $2.4M to charity?



When you work as Gov for a dollar a year, what is your personal tax liability for that salary?


When Mitt Romney's father passed away in 1995, he left an inheritance to Mitt totaling $1 million. Romney turned around and donated that inheritance money to Brigham Young University for the George W. Romney School of Public Management. Link

How much does this lower your tax liability?

The fact is is that This man is extremely generous with HIS money. How much has Obama or Biden given to charity?


Mitt can be as charitable as he likes with his own dough, but I wish he'd quit giving away mine - I am sure the rest of US taxpayers will be thrilled to find out they have been supporting the LDS church AND reducing Mitt's tax liability by foregoing the tax due on that money.
 
2012-08-03 02:23:42 PM  

colon_pow: i bet romney has nothing to hide and he's just playing the opposition. he'll probably offer to trade one year's tax return for obamas college transcripts. maybe another year for the fast and furious documents, and so on.


Bwahahaha

Why would the Romney campaign even care about college records? They aren't stupid enough to go birther.
 
2012-08-03 02:23:48 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: badhatharry: An IRS employee or McCain could be the source. More likely Reid is just a liar.

Let's assume for just a moment that he is. Where is the benefit in letting this smolder? How does this help Romney? Is he expecting some sort of sympathy bump because all of the mean old Democrats are picking on him? How does this help him?


If it was a McCain staffer who is trying to "help" Romney...

They might know that Romney said he would flat-out never release them. They have a pretty good guess that the Democrats already have them, and plan to leak them as an October Surprise.

By dragging them out into the light in August, it gives Romney time to recover from them, and hope they blow over, particularly if unemployment and gas prices are high, or an Obama scandal shakes loose.
 
2012-08-03 02:25:37 PM  

skullkrusher: Infernalist: skullkrusher: secularsage: My theory: Romney really did believe he paid federal taxes, and the people who are in charge of his money never really talked about it with him because, well, why would they? He's paying them to maximize his tax benefits and protect his wealth.

Now, he's found out that he's put his foot in his mouth because he's paid none, and he's embarrassed and afraid to admit the truth.

Of course, given that Romney behaves like a sociopath much of the time, the occam's razor option is that he just lied and didn't think he'd get caught. Ironic, given that his father started the revelation to the press of 12 years of tax returns tradition.

Romney still had to sign his returns. He knew what was in there.

Releasing 12 years of tax returns is not a tradition.

Whatever it is, the fact that he hasn't released those records is unusual. Unusual enough for people to fixate upon it.

It's like...Having accidentally caught himself on fire, he'd rather burn to death rather than strip off his burning clothes and be embarrassed at being flabby and pale and naked.

he's released 2 years. Less than most, more than some since his father's campaign. 12 years of returns isn't anything resembling a tradition. As I said, I think BO is the only candidate since Romney the Elder to do so


None of that is relevant, though. Obama has solid control of the narrative and that means that the 'only' thing that people are hearing from all sides is "Why won't he release those tax returns? WHAT IS HE HIDING?"

Even the GOP are parroting this narrative. They can't stop it. The only solution, painful as it may be, would be to release the returns, explain them as best as they can, refuse to apologize and say "There, now can we PLEASE talk about how bad the economy is, rather than how much money I have?"

But, they won't do that.
 
2012-08-03 02:28:12 PM  

Infernalist: None of that is relevant, though. Obama has solid control of the narrative and that means that the 'only' thing that people are hearing from all sides is "Why won't he release those tax returns? WHAT IS HE HIDING?"

Even the GOP are parroting this narrative. They can't stop it. The only solution, painful as it may be, would be to release the returns, explain them as best as they can, refuse to apologize and say "There, now can we PLEASE talk about how bad the economy is, rather than how much money I have?"

But, they won't do that.


I was just responding to an erroneous post, senor.
Mittens is clearly hoping this will go away. The Dems need to make sure it doesn't.
 
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