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(Daily Kos)   CNN reporter confirms on-air that Mitt Romney paid NO taxes for the past decade   (dailykos.com) divider line 597
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2012-08-03 06:35:59 AM
No sales tax, property tax, or thumb tacks?

/nice one, mittens
 
2012-08-03 06:55:49 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: No sales tax, property tax, or thumb tacks?

/nice one, mittens


What are you, 12?
 
2012-08-03 07:00:53 AM

DjangoStonereaver: FlyingLizardOfDoom: No sales tax, property tax, or thumb tacks?

/nice one, mittens

What are you, 12?


Nope, just dumber than a box of nails.
 
2012-08-03 07:08:05 AM

GAT_00: DjangoStonereaver: FlyingLizardOfDoom: No sales tax, property tax, or thumb tacks?

/nice one, mittens

What are you, 12?

Nope, just dumber than a box of nails.


"Appears to be" dumber than a box of nails, you mean.
 
2012-08-03 07:08:59 AM

DjangoStonereaver: FlyingLizardOfDoom: No sales tax, property tax, or thumb tacks?

/nice one, mittens

What are you, 12?


Wait, you mean he didnt pay taxes, or he didnt pay "taxes".

/there is a difference.
 
2012-08-03 07:11:51 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: DjangoStonereaver: FlyingLizardOfDoom: No sales tax, property tax, or thumb tacks?

/nice one, mittens

What are you, 12?

Wait, you mean he didnt pay taxes, or he didnt pay "taxes".

/there is a difference.


I'd attach a headslap GIF here, but I think your sloping brow would make such corrective action
ineffective.
 
2012-08-03 07:20:16 AM
Derp up there does actually bring up a good point, that the oft-used argument about people who pay zero federal income tax is they still pay other taxes like sales tax, social security, etc. If Mitt paid zero income tax, it's true he still probably paid taxes everywhere. Unless he managed to completely write off his homes as churches, buy everything online but have a minion pick it up from the distributor thus avoiding S&H, etc. That would just be completely silly.

We can be outraged about him not paying INCOME taxes at his level of wealth, but we do have to acknowledge he put into the pot somewhere along the way, even if he might have put a ten in but taken a buck or two back out and snickered as he walked away.
 
2012-08-03 07:29:40 AM

FishStampede: Derp up there does actually bring up a good point, that the oft-used argument about people who pay zero federal income tax is they still pay other taxes like sales tax, social security, etc. If Mitt paid zero income tax, it's true he still probably paid taxes everywhere. Unless he managed to completely write off his homes as churches, buy everything online but have a minion pick it up from the distributor thus avoiding S&H, etc. That would just be completely silly.

We can be outraged about him not paying INCOME taxes at his level of wealth, but we do have to acknowledge he put into the pot somewhere along the way, even if he might have put a ten in but taken a buck or two back out and snickered as he walked away.


State and local. state and local!!!!
 
2012-08-03 07:30:08 AM

FishStampede:
We can be outraged about him not paying INCOME taxes at his level of wealth, but we do have to acknowledge he put into the pot somewhere along the way, even if he might have put a ten in but taken a buck or two back out and snickered as he walked away.


INCOME and PAYROLL. Two taxes to talk about. Mitt says he was unemployed, so didn't contribute to medicare or SS. If he was making lots of money as an unemployed dude, well, that just means you're in the wrong racket.

Still, I'd prefer to see something better than "my anonymous source confirms Reid's anonymous source's argument" articles. I also expect Mitt's tax to be low, but likely not zero. I could see him raking in money and finding a method to get around 5%, I could also see him using the 2009 amnesty as well. The amnesty would be really embarrassing for a presidential candidate and I think likely worse than any period of really low taxes (not that super-low tax rates paid would look good).
 
2012-08-03 07:43:43 AM
If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone
 
2012-08-03 07:49:50 AM

cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?


he only released 2010, and that was incomplete. i'm guessing they're referring to the decade prior to that.

though romney's been running since 2006, so i find this story highly dubious. even mittens isn't that dumb.
 
2012-08-03 07:51:30 AM

FlashHarry: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

he only released 2010, and that was incomplete. i'm guessing they're referring to the decade prior to that.

though romney's been running since 2006, so i find this story highly dubious. even mittens isn't that dumb.


2010 tax was complete. The 2011 taxes weren't.
 
2012-08-03 07:51:43 AM
Since this is CNN reporting, it could be the exact opposite for all we know.
 
2012-08-03 07:56:09 AM

dr_blasto: FishStampede:
We can be outraged about him not paying INCOME taxes at his level of wealth, but we do have to acknowledge he put into the pot somewhere along the way, even if he might have put a ten in but taken a buck or two back out and snickered as he walked away.

INCOME and PAYROLL. Two taxes to talk about. Mitt says he was unemployed, so didn't contribute to medicare or SS. If he was making lots of money as an unemployed dude, well, that just means you're in the wrong racket.

Still, I'd prefer to see something better than "my anonymous source confirms Reid's anonymous source's argument" articles. I also expect Mitt's tax to be low, but likely not zero. I could see him raking in money and finding a method to get around 5%, I could also see him using the 2009 amnesty as well. The amnesty would be really embarrassing for a presidential candidate and I think likely worse than any period of really low taxes (not that super-low tax rates paid would look good).


Oh yeah, no doubt something shiatty is in his taxes and he really has a good reason not to want anyone to see it. I just think we shouldn't use arguments that could easily be turned around to raise taxes on the bottom half of the country.

I also think it's not far fetched that this could sink his campaign before it even gets out of the dock. I don't think they'll do a brokered convention, the GOP establishment is losing control but they haven't lost it yet and still are pretty canny. Instead, what I see happening (if he doesn't just crawl his way to November) is we'll start seeing a narrative of his wife's battle with MS becoming more prominent, then following the convention he will drop out to deal with her health issues and his VP will take over (with another VP already lined up). If the MS narrative starts coming up more often, and he chooses a charismatic dark horse VP like one of his former opponents from the primary, bet money he'll drop out before November.
 
2012-08-03 08:04:44 AM

dr_blasto: 2010 tax was complete. The 2011 taxes weren't.


my mistake.

still, whether this charge is true or not (and i find it hard to believe), romney is definitely hiding something. he's obviously calculated that the heat he gets from not releasing his taxes is better than the heat he'd get from releasing them.
 
2012-08-03 08:07:34 AM

dr_blasto: 2010 tax was complete. The 2011 taxes weren't.


actually, according to this, his 2010 return is not complete, including documentation of his swiss accounts.
 
2012-08-03 08:11:39 AM

FishStampede:
Oh yeah, no doubt something shiatty is in his taxes and he really has a good reason not to want anyone to see it. I just think we shouldn't use arguments that could easily be turned around to raise taxes on the bottom half of the country.

I also think it's not far fetched that this could sink his campaign before it even gets out of the dock. I don't think they'll do a brokered convention, the GOP establishment is losing control but they haven't lost it yet and still are pretty canny. Instead, what I see happening (if he doesn't just crawl his way to November) is we'll start seeing a narrative of his wife's battle with MS becoming more prominent, then following the convention he will drop out to deal with her health issues and his VP will take over (with another VP already lined up). If the MS narrative starts coming up more often, and he chooses a charismatic dark horse VP like one of his former opponents from the primary, bet money he'll drop out before November.


I'm pretty sure nobody likes Romney's chances in this election. His taxes will make it even harder for a guy like him to connect and it is clear he's not a personable candidate in the first place. I would put the chances of him dropping out to near zero. He's running on piles of cash and ego, not policy, not charisma and not actual support. Those two things he has have taken him to the convention as the presumptive nominee. If he comes out of the convention as the nominee, he's in till election day.
 
2012-08-03 08:40:04 AM

cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone


Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.
 
2012-08-03 08:46:10 AM
Do people who read Daily Kos really call themselves Kossacks? Is this true or just some stupid little bit of silliness this one blogger uses?
 
2012-08-03 08:52:32 AM

dr_blasto: 2010 tax was complete. T


ManateeGag: Since this is CNN reporting, it could be the exact opposite for all we know.


Um, it's CNN, not Fox. CNN may be incompetent, but they aren't the liars of Fox.
 
2012-08-03 09:03:14 AM

FlashHarry: dr_blasto: 2010 tax was complete. The 2011 taxes weren't.

actually, according to this, his 2010 return is not complete, including documentation of his swiss accounts.


LOL. I guess his statements saying he's fulfilled the obligation to release current taxes is just about as accurate as every other statement he's made.
 
2012-08-03 09:04:33 AM

Pocket Ninja: Do people who read Daily Kos really call themselves Kossacks? Is this true or just some stupid little bit of silliness this one blogger uses?


I think they do. Pretty sure it's tongue in cheek given all the attacks of being Communists, but since I am not a member of Kos or a regular reader, I'm not certain.
 
2012-08-03 09:05:14 AM

Pocket Ninja: Do people who read Daily Kos really call themselves Kossacks? Is this true or just some stupid little bit of silliness this one blogger uses?


They should start calling themselves Kos-Players
 
2012-08-03 09:07:12 AM

Dinki: dr_blasto: 2010 tax was complete. T

ManateeGag: Since this is CNN reporting, it could be the exact opposite for all we know.

Um, it's CNN, not Fox. CNN may be incompetent, but they aren't the liars of Fox.


True, but everyone knows that when CNN reports something you need to doublecheck that they haven't hosed it again. I'll give them the credit that they're not necessarily intentionally bullshiatting like FOX does.
 
2012-08-03 09:16:13 AM

GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.


Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns
 
2012-08-03 09:31:02 AM

cman: GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.

Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns


If its a bluff, its a good one.
 
2012-08-03 09:35:33 AM

cman: GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.

Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns


It's exactly what it is, and Reid doesn't have the legal authority to release the returns. Romney does. He refused to release them, this is what you get.
 
2012-08-03 09:39:23 AM

GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.

Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns

It's exactly what it is, and Reid doesn't have the legal authority to release the returns. Romney does. He refused to release them, this is what you get.


Romney should release them no doubt. That is the standard set by our Presidential candidates dating back for a long time. I dont know about privacy laws concerning tax returns, but is it really ethical for someone to expose another person like this?
 
2012-08-03 09:45:47 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: No sales tax, property tax, or thumb tacks?

/nice one, mittens


That's funny, coming from the same people who have been accusing 50% of Americans of paying no taxes.
 
2012-08-03 09:46:27 AM

GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.

Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns

It's exactly what it is, and Reid doesn't have the legal authority to release the returns. Romney does. He refused to release them, this is what you get.


Reid doesn't know or care anything about Romney's tax returns. His only motivation is to keep this issue in the news cycle so that Romney keeps getting asked about it.

I think he is guessing Mitt is hiding something, but he doesn't know what. As long as Reid is right, this strategy will work no matter what it is he is hiding. Mitt is stuck either continuing to dodge the press and look shady, or come clean.
 
2012-08-03 09:47:06 AM

cman: GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.

Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns

It's exactly what it is, and Reid doesn't have the legal authority to release the returns. Romney does. He refused to release them, this is what you get.

Romney should release them no doubt. That is the standard set by our Presidential candidates dating back for a long time. I dont know about privacy laws concerning tax returns, but is it really ethical for someone to expose another person like this?


He's a Presidential candidate. Tax returns are unacceptable, but bashing Michele Obama 24/7 is fine? And there is no way Reid can legally release Romney's tax returns.
 
2012-08-03 09:50:45 AM

GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: GAT_00: cman: If he paid no taxes for the past decade then why did he release two tax records saying that he did?

Christ, Kos, I know you are highly partisan, but going up Birther avenue does not suit anyone

Reid's source is Bain related, and the years in question are supposed to be pre-2010.

Well, I know the son of a worker at McDonalds, and from what he tells me, Corporate is planning on buying back stock from investors.

/Anon sources need verification.
//This could be some strategy of Reid lying to force Romney to release his returns

It's exactly what it is, and Reid doesn't have the legal authority to release the returns. Romney does. He refused to release them, this is what you get.

Romney should release them no doubt. That is the standard set by our Presidential candidates dating back for a long time. I dont know about privacy laws concerning tax returns, but is it really ethical for someone to expose another person like this?

He's a Presidential candidate. Tax returns are unacceptable, but bashing Michele Obama 24/7 is fine? And there is no way Reid can legally release Romney's tax returns.


Did I say anything remotely like that (First lady bashing v taxes)?

You are right, he cannot release the tax returns. That covers paper form, but he can orally report that Romney paid no taxes? That seems like a big giant privacy loophole
 
2012-08-03 09:54:29 AM

cman: You are right, he cannot release the tax returns. That covers paper form, but he can orally report that Romney paid no taxes? That seems like a big giant privacy loophole


If he was actually using his authority as a senator somehow to access those records directly, yes, I am pretty sure that would be a felony. But that didn't happen.

He is simply repeating what he claims a former colleague of Romney told him.
 
2012-08-03 09:56:05 AM

gilgigamesh: cman: You are right, he cannot release the tax returns. That covers paper form, but he can orally report that Romney paid no taxes? That seems like a big giant privacy loophole

If he was actually using his authority as a senator somehow to access those records directly, yes, I am pretty sure that would be a felony. But that didn't happen.

He is simply repeating what he claims a former colleague of Romney told him.


Ah, thank you for the clarification. You are correct.
 
2012-08-03 09:56:16 AM
Whoa. Instagreen?

*Runs away*
 
2012-08-03 09:58:03 AM
Democrats are finally learning to play the game. Good luck republicans. Imagine smart people using your tricks. You're boned.
 
2012-08-03 09:58:46 AM
No, all Bash did was find the same source Reid did.
 
2012-08-03 10:01:08 AM
I'm starting to wonder if Romney is a liberal plant and his campaign is complex performance art: a Life of Brian-esque satire of rich people.
 
2012-08-03 10:01:10 AM

Dinki: dr_blasto: 2010 tax was complete. T

ManateeGag: Since this is CNN reporting, it could be the exact opposite for all we know.

Um, it's CNN, not Fox. CNN may be incompetent, but they aren't the liars of Fox.


They just get all their stories from the liars of Fox.
 
2012-08-03 10:01:40 AM
OHHH OHHH!

Romney is farked if this story is true. Reid is one thing but a news source also saying it's true is going to make it 10 worse. And now Romney is on record saying it is untrue.
 
2012-08-03 10:02:04 AM

Imperialism: No, all Bash did was find the same source Reid did.


Without naming the source, she didn't confirm shiat.
 
2012-08-03 10:02:15 AM

FishStampede: Derp up there does actually bring up a good point, that the oft-used argument about people who pay zero federal income tax is they still pay other taxes like sales tax, social security, etc. If Mitt paid zero income tax, it's true he still probably paid taxes everywhere. Unless he managed to completely write off his homes as churches, buy everything online but have a minion pick it up from the distributor thus avoiding S&H, etc. That would just be completely silly.

We can be outraged about him not paying INCOME taxes at his level of wealth, but we do have to acknowledge he put into the pot somewhere along the way, even if he might have put a ten in but taken a buck or two back out and snickered as he walked away.


Yes, Mitt Romney making millions and paying no income tax is exactly the same as people working minimum wage jobs and paying no income tax.
 
2012-08-03 10:03:10 AM

Corvus: OHHH OHHH!

Romney is farked if this story is true. Reid is one thing but a news source also saying it's true is going to make it 10 worse. And now Romney is on record saying it is untrue.


This is CNN we're talking about. I wouldn't exactly call them news any more.
 
2012-08-03 10:03:51 AM

Cat Food Sandwiches: Imperialism: No, all Bash did was find the same source Reid did.

Without naming the source, she didn't confirm shiat.


I'm sure Romney will be releasing his returns soon to clear this whole thing up. He's nothing if not open and honest.
 
2012-08-03 10:04:31 AM

sprawl15: I'm starting to wonder if Romney is a liberal plant and his campaign is complex performance art: a Life of Brian-esque satire of rich people.


I'm starting to think it's a deliberate attempt to shift the Overton window and set a ridiculously low bar for whoever grabs the nomination in 2016. "It's not Romney! WHOOOO!"
 
2012-08-03 10:05:25 AM

dr_blasto: Still, I'd prefer to see something better than "my anonymous source confirms Reid's anonymous source's argument" articles.


Her anonymous "credible source" confirmed that some guy is saying that Romney paid 0 taxes. This is a bullshiat non-story. When somebody is ready to go on the record in front of a camera, you've got a story, until then leave it alone.

Fark, I hate modern tv journalism. At least when you read shiat like this on a blog, you know it's sketchy. The tv reporters still pretend to do the news.
 
2012-08-03 10:05:46 AM

Corvus: OHHH OHHH!

Romney is farked if this story is true. Reid is one thing but a news source also saying it's true is going to make it 10 worse. And now Romney is on record saying it is untrue.


It's a nice trap. Romney can let the lie (if it is a lie) about him paying no taxes run rampant, OR he can release the tax returns. And he's made it clear that there's SOMETHING damaging in those returns...so either way, he's farked.
 
2012-08-03 10:06:13 AM

sprawl15: I'm starting to wonder if Romney is a liberal plant and his campaign is complex performance art: a Life of Brian-esque satire of rich people.


We had that guy already.
i.qkme.me
He was a demigod tier irl troll.
 
2012-08-03 10:06:27 AM

Corvus: And now Romney is on record saying it is untrue.


I was under the impression that he didn't so much say it was untrue as say "I paid exactly what I was supposed to pay!"
 
2012-08-03 10:06:30 AM

imontheinternet: dr_blasto: Still, I'd prefer to see something better than "my anonymous source confirms Reid's anonymous source's argument" articles.

Her anonymous "credible source" confirmed that some guy is saying that Romney paid 0 taxes. This is a bullshiat non-story. When somebody is ready to go on the record in front of a camera, you've got a story, until then leave it alone.

Fark, I hate modern tv journalism. At least when you read shiat like this on a blog, you know it's sketchy. The tv reporters still pretend to do the news.


You're right. Watergate was a NON STORY. Nixon was farking ROBBED.
 
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