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(Billings Gazette)   Woman suing over her husband's fatal bear mauling asks the judge to visit the site. Judge: "No thanks. There are bears over there"   (billingsgazette.com) divider line 74
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2012-08-03 06:15:09 AM  
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zez
2012-08-03 09:43:22 AM  
I love the book, "Death in Yellowstone". In one chapter some people try suing after a bear attack because they thought the parks department shouldn't have allowed animals to wander around.
 
2012-08-03 09:48:21 AM  
In other news, there are wild animals in the wild.
 
2012-08-03 09:48:43 AM  
How can you sue bears? They don't have any money.
 
2012-08-03 09:48:57 AM  
What's she hoping to get out of suing the bear - pic-i-nic baskets?

/didn't RTFA
 
2012-08-03 09:49:12 AM  
Was The Honorable Stephen Colbert presiding?
 
2012-08-03 09:49:44 AM  
Let's think about this a moment: according to the Federal Marshals Service, the area is dangerous because of bear activity. Like, not A bear, BEARS. So they guy was killed by a BEAR in place that has BEARS.
 
2012-08-03 09:52:13 AM  

bangmaid: How can you sue bears? They don't have any money.


Also? They have terrible behaviour in court.
 
2012-08-03 09:52:39 AM  

TeDDD: Let's think about this a moment: according to the Federal Marshals Service, the area is dangerous because of bear activity. Like, not A bear, BEARS. So they guy was killed by a BEAR in place that has BEARS.


There's a distinction here (though not necessarily enough to warrant a lawsuit). This was an especially dangerous bear because it had just woken up after being tranqed and released by some research team. They had signs up, but pulled them down, possibly sooner than their regulations required. It's not quite as frivolous as it seems, on first blush.
 
2012-08-03 09:53:39 AM  
"There's no sense in bringing in another 20 people for the case and putting others in harm's way," Lineen said of the marshals' advice.

Bears are well-known to attack groups of 20 people.

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2012-08-03 09:53:53 AM  
Should have read the sign:

www.outdooroddities.com
 
2012-08-03 09:55:07 AM  

stevarooni: TeDDD: Let's think about this a moment: according to the Federal Marshals Service, the area is dangerous because of bear activity. Like, not A bear, BEARS. So they guy was killed by a BEAR in place that has BEARS.

There's a distinction here (though not necessarily enough to warrant a lawsuit). This was an especially dangerous bear because it had just woken up after being tranqed and released by some research team. They had signs up, but pulled them down, possibly sooner than their regulations required. It's not quite as frivolous as it seems, on first blush.


Yeah, as a wildlife scientist I'm usually against the stupid public being stupid, but in this case it sounds like the scientists didn't do their due diligence.
 
2012-08-03 09:56:24 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: bangmaid: How can you sue bears? They don't have any money.

Also? They have terrible behaviour in court.


This bears repeating.
 
2012-08-03 09:56:25 AM  
She's biatchy because there was research in which they pissed off bears, then let them free again. One of the pissed off bears was pissed off and ate her boyfriend.

Guns. You go into the woods, you bring a high-power pistol and a crossbow. Bears don't shoot back, and your arms are too short to box with bear.

I mean even I won't take a samurai sword or just my fists to defend myself against bears, and I don't believe guns make you that much safer compared to any other weapon in a city (because of how other humans with guns will approach--read: ambush--you). If there's bears there, I'm taking firepower. The bear will not sneak up on me, then try to grab my gun; it'll try to grab my FACE, and ignore the gun until I blow a hole in it.

Why did you not have firepower?

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2012-08-03 09:56:27 AM  

SkunkWerks: "There's no sense in bringing in another 20 people for the case and putting others in harm's way," Lineen said of the marshals' advice.

Bears are well-known to attack groups of 20 people.

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Making a 300 pound juror walk the half mile to the actual site could be very dangerous to the poor fecker that has to carry their fat ass back.
 
2012-08-03 09:56:45 AM  
I've done a shiatload of hiking and camping but never in grizzly territory. I've tried to think of the best way to protect yourself and this is what I've come up with. I'm not sure if this would work but here it is anyway

1) take a dog with you that has a hair trigger and will bark as soon as it detects another animal. This is your early warning system.

2) take the most powerful hand gun available
 
2012-08-03 09:56:45 AM  

bangmaid: How can you sue bears? They don't have any money.


In Canada they do:

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2012-08-03 09:58:14 AM  

gulogulo: stevarooni: TeDDD: Let's think about this a moment: according to the Federal Marshals Service, the area is dangerous because of bear activity. Like, not A bear, BEARS. So they guy was killed by a BEAR in place that has BEARS.

There's a distinction here (though not necessarily enough to warrant a lawsuit). This was an especially dangerous bear because it had just woken up after being tranqed and released by some research team. They had signs up, but pulled them down, possibly sooner than their regulations required. It's not quite as frivolous as it seems, on first blush.

Yeah, as a wildlife scientist I'm usually against the stupid public being stupid, but in this case it sounds like the scientists didn't do their due diligence.


Which is really just splitting hairs, dude was walking around in known bear country without any protection. If the Government gave a corner hooker the HIV and then you caught it from her because you went bareback in her bleeding/herpies sore covered vag, that's pretty much still your fault.
 
2012-08-03 09:59:29 AM  

SkunkWerks: "There's no sense in bringing in another 20 people for the case and putting others in harm's way," Lineen said of the marshals' advice.

Bears are well-known to attack groups of 20 people.

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Remember, you don't have to outrun all 20 people... just 1.
 
2012-08-03 10:03:06 AM  
I've seen "Grizzly Man" and I always remember Werner Herzog's German-accented, chilling monotone:

"And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food ..."

Bears are not cute. They are natural cannibals. Do not fark with bears.
 
2012-08-03 10:03:30 AM  
Wim Wenders knows what sound you don't ever want to hear.
 
2012-08-03 10:03:54 AM  
"Federal attorneys call it a "remote area" almost three-quarters of a mile from the nearest cabin."

Yeah, wow, 3/4ths of a mile, no way a grizzly could cover that distance. Great thinking.
 
2012-08-03 10:06:10 AM  

Egalitarian: I've seen "Grizzly Man" and I always remember Werner Herzog's German-accented, chilling monotone:

"And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food ..."

Bears are not cute. They are natural cannibals. Do not fark with bears.


I stand corrected. I always get Wenders and Hertzog confused. Damn Germans all look alike to me.
 
2012-08-03 10:06:13 AM  

zez: I love the book, "Death in Yellowstone". In one chapter some people try suing after a bear attack because they thought the parks department shouldn't have allowed animals to wander around.


Love that book! The guy who died diving into a geyser to rescue his poodle? Laugh a minute!

/Good descriptions of death in myriad ways as well.
 
2012-08-03 10:06:49 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Which is really just splitting hairs, dude was walking around in known bear country without any protection. If the Government gave a corner hooker the HIV and then you caught it from her because you went bareback in her bleeding/herpies sore covered vag, that's pretty much still your fault.


This is more like a particularly aggressive hooker with super-HIV who jumps into your car after getting injected with five truckers worth of energy pills by Geraldo Rivera. Sure, you know teh STDs are out where you're going, but this particular hooker was artificially wound up and dropped off in an alley...sure...but an alley between Hooters and a slightly-less-seedy Motel 6.
 
2012-08-03 10:11:43 AM  
Yolanda Evert, has filed a $5 million wrongful death lawsuit against the federal government, saying the researchers should not have trapped the bear so close to a trail and cabins.

What difference does it make where the researchers trapped the bear? The federal gov't did nothing wrong here.

/ You and your lawyer should go stick your heads up a dead bear's arsehole, Yolanda.
 
2012-08-03 10:12:28 AM  
I wonder how good a molotov cocktail would work on a grizzly or if youd just end up with a flaming bear trying to eat you alive.
 
2012-08-03 10:15:25 AM  
HOTY territory
 
2012-08-03 10:20:01 AM  

Bob16: I wonder how good a molotov cocktail would work on a grizzly or if youd just end up with a flaming bear trying to eat you alive.


Just like in Left4Dead, the Tank dies eventually, but he still metes out the beating while aflame!

The Witch is just as deadly too!
 
2012-08-03 10:21:02 AM  
Im an advocate for bears and even I think the lawsuit could have some merit.

Having said that though, if you are hiking around in brown bear country, please carry bear spray with you and read the diresctions on the label ahead of time. I know its an extra pound of stuff to carry but bear spray just works.
 
2012-08-03 10:23:45 AM  

mikaloyd: bear spray just works.


This may be the first time I've heard of it.

So... not like Bat Shark Repellent, right?
 
2012-08-03 10:23:58 AM  
Q - What kind of hairstyle did the victim have?

A - A maulet.
 
2012-08-03 10:25:54 AM  
Someone needs to tell the bears they can only attack with impunity when the signs are up.
 
2012-08-03 10:27:36 AM  

Bob16: I wonder how good a molotov cocktail would work on a grizzly or if youd just end up with a flaming bear trying to eat you alive.


Grizzly bears probably have a natural fear of fire.
Polar bears, on the other hand, don't. I saw a documentary where one of them stuck his head in a burning rubbish barrel beside someone's cabin. It pissed him off - causing him to go on a rampage - kinda like a Canuckian version of Godzilla.
 
2012-08-03 10:33:25 AM  

bangmaid: How can you sue bears? They don't have any money.


But Yogi has plenty of pick-a-nick baskets.
 
2012-08-03 10:35:49 AM  

Bob16: 2) take the most powerful hand gun available


That would be the S&W .500. But your aim better be REALLY good. I'd prefer a .357 Magnum, which is the minimum you need for most bears and you won't break your wrist shooting it.
However, none of this matters because it's illegal to carry in a national park.
 
2012-08-03 10:40:49 AM  

Il Douchey: Yolanda Evert, has filed a $5 million wrongful death lawsuit against the federal government, saying the researchers should not have trapped the bear so close to a trail and cabins.

What difference does it make where the researchers trapped the bear? The federal gov't did nothing wrong here.

/ You and your lawyer should go stick your heads up a dead bear's arsehole, Yolanda.


Because a bear that's just going about it's day isn't as dangerous as a bear that's been abducted by aliens. I don't think anyone's arguing that the area was't dangerous, but it was made more dangerous by releasing a trapped bear so close to people.

My guess (and I could very well be wrong) is that there's culpability on both sides, Yolanda will win, but she won't get $5 million. It'll be interesting to read the followup.
 
2012-08-03 10:40:59 AM  
A 430-pound grizzly killed Erwin F. Evert, of Park Ridge, Ill., six miles east of Yellowstone in June, 2010. The male grizzly had just reawakened after being trapped, tranquilized and studied by members of the Interagency Grizzly Bear Study Team

They shouldn't have set the bear's collar to [killmode].
 
2012-08-03 10:43:48 AM  

oldfarthenry: Bob16: I wonder how good a molotov cocktail would work on a grizzly or if youd just end up with a flaming bear trying to eat you alive.

Grizzly bears probably have a natural fear of fire.
Polar bears, on the other hand, don't. I saw a documentary where one of them stuck his head in a burning rubbish barrel beside someone's cabin. It pissed him off - causing him to go on a rampage - kinda like a Canuckian version of Godzilla.


I've often imagined what it was like for Native Americans or even early settlers that only hAd single shot rifles. If a grizzly attacked them they were toast although I expect you might get lucky with a single shot rifle. Bow and arrow seems like it would be useless.

On another note I've heard of a few problem black bears that actually developed the habit of stalking humans instead of running away from them. Thad gotta be scary although with a decent size gun you should be able to kill a black bear with no problem.

Anybody that wants to see some interesting bear videos should use the search terms " bear" and "NJ" at YouTube. You'll get all kinds of videos of bears roaming through suburban NJ fairly close to NYC. Bear numbers in that area should be dropping soon since they started hunting them again.
 
2012-08-03 10:45:50 AM  

JWideman: However, none of this matters because it's illegal to carry in a national park.


In fact, no. Since 2010, firearms regulations are based upon the State, county, and local laws of the area in which the park resides. For example: Yellowstone appears to allow open carry, based on the three states it covers (NPS.gov).
 
2012-08-03 10:46:07 AM  

JWideman: Bob16: 2) take the most powerful hand gun available

That would be the S&W .500. But your aim better be REALLY good. I'd prefer a .357 Magnum, which is the minimum you need for most bears and you won't break your wrist shooting it.

However, none of this matters because it's illegal to carry in a national park.


Not quite. There's been an exemption for Yellowstone for over two years. As long as you're allowed to carry by federal, state, and local laws, you can carry in Yellowstone. You can even concealed carry with a permit.

This went into effect in Feb 2010. During which time, Ermahgehrd! Fehrtbernger ers trehern ter terk mehr gerns!
 
2012-08-03 10:46:57 AM  

JWideman: However, none of this matters because it's illegal to carry in a national park.


Oddly enough it was Obama that signed the law making your statement false.
 
2012-08-03 10:47:52 AM  

rdu_voyager: Because a bear that's just going about it's day isn't as dangerous as a bear that's been abducted by aliens. I don't think anyone's arguing that the area was't dangerous, but it was made more dangerous by releasing a trapped bear so close to people.


So the bear may have been upset about a lil "Anal Probe"?


Lighten up, don't be so sensitive
 
2012-08-03 10:48:03 AM  
Dammit, I'd have beat you stevarooni if I hadn't tried to bring the Politics tab over here.
 
2012-08-03 10:49:11 AM  

rdu_voyager: Il Douchey: Yolanda Evert, has filed a $5 million wrongful death lawsuit against the federal government, saying the researchers should not have trapped the bear so close to a trail and cabins.

What difference does it make where the researchers trapped the bear? The federal gov't did nothing wrong here.

/ You and your lawyer should go stick your heads up a dead bear's arsehole, Yolanda.

Because a bear that's just going about it's day isn't as dangerous as a bear that's been abducted by aliens. I don't think anyone's arguing that the area was't dangerous, but it was made more dangerous by releasing a trapped bear so close to people.

My guess (and I could very well be wrong) is that there's culpability on both sides, Yolanda will win, but she won't get $5 million. It'll be interesting to read the followup.


I agree that it seems like a very bad idea to trap and tranq a bear only 3/4 of a mile from people. That's hardly "remote". 3/4 of a mile is nothing. I don't know jack about bears but I imagine a bear would be terrified after being trapped, which could easily cause it to lash out in fear instead of just going about its day.
 
2012-08-03 10:49:22 AM  

JWideman: Bob16: 2) take the most powerful hand gun available

That would be the S&W .500. But your aim better be REALLY good. I'd prefer a .357 Magnum, which is the minimum you need for most bears and you won't break your wrist shooting it.
However, none of this matters because it's illegal to carry in a national park.


Incorrect on the last part. It is perfectly legal (by federal law) to carry in a national park.
 
2012-08-03 10:51:41 AM  

JWideman: Bob16: 2) take the most powerful hand gun available

That would be the S&W .500. But your aim better be REALLY good. I'd prefer a .357 Magnum, which is the minimum you need for most bears and you won't break your wrist shooting it.
However, none of this matters because it's illegal to carry in a national park.


Unless something has changed, I believe it was made legal a few years ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/18/AR201 0 021805124.html
 
2012-08-03 10:52:01 AM  

JWideman: Bob16: 2) take the most powerful hand gun available

That would be the S&W .500. But your aim better be REALLY good. I'd prefer a .357 Magnum, which is the minimum you need for most bears and you won't break your wrist shooting it.
However, none of this matters because it's illegal to carry in a national park.


Thanks. I ve shot my friends 357 magum revolver quite a few times and I like it a lot. It has a good healthy kick but nothing too serious to where you'd end up on your ass. I thought a nine millimeter was suppose to be just as powerful but I am far from being an expert on guns.
 
2012-08-03 11:03:00 AM  

Bob16: Thanks. I ve shot my friends 357 magum revolver quite a few times and I like it a lot. It has a good healthy kick but nothing too serious to where you'd end up on your ass. I thought a nine millimeter was suppose to be just as powerful but I am far from being an expert on guns.


9mm is a good, effective round against human beings (yeah, gun size queens will shriek at this statement) and is pretty similar to a .357 Magnum. A .44 Magnum has quite a bit more punch, takes more to handle, but would probably be better against bear.
 
2012-08-03 11:07:18 AM  

zez: I love the book, "Death in Yellowstone". In one chapter some people try suing after a bear attack because they thought the parks department shouldn't have allowed animals to wander around.


That's the first book I bought while on vacation in Wyoming. The chapter about death by hot springs is the best. Skin falling off the bone? Man... I stayed the fark away from those pools.

It's been years, but as I recall the author had a lot to say about too many people treating Yellowstone like a Disney theme park. It's hard to imagine that the woman suing the park actually owned a vacation cabin there and still didn't appreciate the risks.
 
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