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2012-08-03 04:12:43 PM  

bdub77: The vast majority of the world ignores most retired basketball players. You think David Robinson is pulling down significant endorsement money in retirement?


a) David Robinson isn't looking to endorse things anyway.
b) Even when they were playing, Scottie Pippen was considered "lead Jordanaire" rather than a superstar in his own right, as long as Jordan was around.
 
2012-08-03 04:13:27 PM  

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: I'm not sure you can be the most underrated player of all time if you made it to the Hall of Fame.

Sure you can, when everyone always attributes every athletic accomplishment you ever had to "thanks to Jordan." And the whole "they never would've won any titles without Jordan."

They never would've won any titles without Pippen, either, but no one ever says that. Jordan made 10x as much money in salary (before endorsements) as Pippen made in 97-98. Jordan was better, but not by THAT much.


Making the HoF means, someone is recognizing your greatness. You can't be "the most underrated of all time" if everyone recognizes you as one of the best to have ever played the game. I mean, he's no Detlef Schrempf.
 
2012-08-03 04:13:32 PM  

desertgeek: thecpt: desertgeek: Siamese Bream: These shot-putters are really farking up that nice lawn.

I don't get why they can't use sand there. Makes more sense to me than grass.

And that sucks that shot putters can just step on the foul step to have a throw aborted. That's BS to me.

Why? It's not like there is an average throw stat. I loved that I could do that.

Just take the throw, I say. It's not like the others don't see how far you threw it.


Its so relaxing though. Immediate gratitude for dissatisfaction.
 
2012-08-03 04:14:00 PM  

kevinatilusa: It's been done


The silver medalist was Andre Six of France. That's a sweet name. Says it was canceled because lack of spectator appeal. They didn't have underwater cameras though. I'd like to start a movement to bring it back.
 
2012-08-03 04:16:48 PM  

degenerate-afro: I mean, he's no Detlef Schrempf.


Everyone loves Detlef Schrempf. However, his name probably overshadows him.
 
2012-08-03 04:17:33 PM  

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: I mean, he's no Detlef Schrempf.

Everyone loves Detlef Schrempf. However, his name probably overshadows him.


The Teutonic Sonic is one of the best basketball nicknames of all time.
 
2012-08-03 04:18:57 PM  
Anybody think Phelps will be back for the 2016 games? I could see him coming back and limiting himself to his 2 or 3 strongest events.
 
2012-08-03 04:19:19 PM  
Well I dare say the world record in long jump is entirely safe. The longest jump in the prelims was 26'6".
 
2012-08-03 04:19:46 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: The Olympics is killing my productivity.


I really should have just taken two weeks off.
 
2012-08-03 04:21:36 PM  

consider this: Anybody think Phelps will be back for the 2016 games? I could see him coming back and limiting himself to his 2 or 3 strongest events.


He's already said that this is it. He's even told his mom that Rio is not happening for him.
 
2012-08-03 04:21:37 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Well I dare say the world record in long jump is entirely safe. The longest jump in the prelims was 26'6".


weak field this year? Or just one of those meets?
 
2012-08-03 04:24:00 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: El Uno Magnifico: The Olympics is killing my productivity.

I really should have just taken two weeks off.


I probably would have done were I not currently living in a country where a state-mandated minimum holiday allowance is considered a form of socialism.
 
2012-08-03 04:24:20 PM  
10,000 meters? I'm out.
 
2012-08-03 04:24:38 PM  

Tigger: El Uno Magnifico: JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)

Very true. That's one reason why I think Carl Lewis is the greatest Olympian of all time; didn't just win but defended gold in the 100m and long jump, two sports with completely different skillsets.

They are different skillsets but if your top speed is good your longjump will be good.

This was the logic behind the hilariously failed athletics project "let's make Tigger a decathlete". Which was going great until I tried to throw something.


No, speed matters a lot , I agree. I think it's impressive that he managed to pull it off and no one has come close since. Not even sure if anyone would attempt it these days. Bolt probably would if you egged him on, but Blake, Gay, or any elite 100m sprinter today? Not a chance.
 
2012-08-03 04:24:45 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Tigger: "let's make Tigger a decathlete

What exactly were they thinking when they came up with that?


I had the best 100 200 and 400 in my high school, qualified for nationals for 400, was the best long and triple jumper and had reasonable distance running so it made sense.

Right up to when it turned out my pathetic T-Rex shoulders could barely get a javelin off the ground.

Pole vaulting was farking great fun though.
 
2012-08-03 04:25:06 PM  

Siamese Bream: Slaves2Darkness: El Uno Magnifico: The Olympics is killing my productivity.

I really should have just taken two weeks off.

I probably would have done were I not currently living in a country where a state-mandated minimum holiday allowance is considered a form of socialism.


I really hope NBC keeps the archives up for a while. There's a lot of things I've watched to watch but haven't been able to.
 
2012-08-03 04:25:31 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: Tigger: El Uno Magnifico: JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)

Very true. That's one reason why I think Carl Lewis is the greatest Olympian of all time; didn't just win but defended gold in the 100m and long jump, two sports with completely different skillsets.

They are different skillsets but if your top speed is good your longjump will be good.

This was the logic behind the hilariously failed athletics project "let's make Tigger a decathlete". Which was going great until I tried to throw something.

No, speed matters a lot , I agree. I think it's impressive that he managed to pull it off and no one has come close since. Not even sure if anyone would attempt it these days. Bolt probably would if you egged him on, but Blake, Gay, or any elite 100m sprinter today? Not a chance.


Totally agree. From a size perspective most of them are too heavy. Lewis was really slender for a 100m runner
 
2012-08-03 04:26:35 PM  

IAmRight: bdub77: The vast majority of the world ignores most retired basketball players. You think David Robinson is pulling down significant endorsement money in retirement?

a) David Robinson isn't looking to endorse things anyway.
b) Even when they were playing, Scottie Pippen was considered "lead Jordanaire" rather than a superstar in his own right, as long as Jordan was around.


Is Pippen begging for endorsements? I wasn't aware. Pippen, in my mind, was never one of those standout personalities that warranted endorsements. Truth was he probably could have negotiated a better salary while he was with the team.

I really don't get where this Jordanaire BS comes from, I certainly never heard it. I was a Bulls fan most of my life and let me tell you every Bulls fan I knew was aware that Scottie Pippen was a HoF caliber player who was paramount to the success the team had in those years. You had glue guys like Paxson and Grant and then you had higher tiered players like Pippen. But he wasn't Jordan, because frankly Michael Jordan is arguably the greatest ever. He just was not as good as Jordan, he never put up the numbers or PPG Jordan had in his prime even after Michael left (although they were excellent numbers by any stretch), and whether or not Jordan needed Pippen is kind of a dumb argument - they worked really well together. Separate they were never the same (although you saw some flashes of brilliance when MJ was with the Wizards and past his prime).
 
2012-08-03 04:26:40 PM  

Tigger: El Uno Magnifico: Tigger: El Uno Magnifico: JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)

Very true. That's one reason why I think Carl Lewis is the greatest Olympian of all time; didn't just win but defended gold in the 100m and long jump, two sports with completely different skillsets.

They are different skillsets but if your top speed is good your longjump will be good.

This was the logic behind the hilariously failed athletics project "let's make Tigger a decathlete". Which was going great until I tried to throw something.

No, speed matters a lot , I agree. I think it's impressive that he managed to pull it off and no one has come close since. Not even sure if anyone would attempt it these days. Bolt probably would if you egged him on, but Blake, Gay, or any elite 100m sprinter today? Not a chance.

Totally agree. From a size perspective most of them are too heavy. Lewis was really slender for a 100m runner


True. You know, I'd love to see Bolt take a crack at the high jump.
 
2012-08-03 04:26:50 PM  
See, Reese Hoffa didn't chicken out. He took his 19.5m crap throw like a man.
 
2012-08-03 04:28:19 PM  

desertgeek: See, Reese Hoffa didn't chicken out. He took his 19.5m crap throw like a man.


ha. its also nice because it moves the meet along, they don't have to measure it, less work for everyone. People would kill for that throw too.
 
2012-08-03 04:28:57 PM  

consider this: Anybody think Phelps will be back for the 2016 games? I could see him coming back and limiting himself to his 2 or 3 strongest events.


Naw. He's done. And even if he really, really wanted it the chances are he wouldn't do nearly as well. The dudes who are as young as he is now and his age at the last olympics would be kicking that ass. It was really difficult for him to have the focus this time around and I think next time would be impossible. The Dude has done little but train for the olympics for over a decade and I think part of what gives you the strength and determination to do that shiat is knowing the end is approaching. He's been promising his body and mind a break for a long time and I doubt either one will let him change his mind at this point.
 
2012-08-03 04:29:44 PM  

thecpt: weak field this year? Or just one of those meets?


The entire event is way off from where it used to be. In the 80s straight through the 90s and into the last decade, you could count on at least 6 jumpers going past 27' at big meets, at something like the Olympics, it was even more. But for the last oh 6 or 7 years, it's out the window. In Beijing the winning distance was only an inch and a half more than it had been in 76, and was the first time since 76 the winning jump wasn't past 28'. The one jumper who kept up with the way things were is out with injury. From 1980 through 2000 the best jump each year was over 28'. Since 2001 there have been 4 years without a single 28' jump, and this year the best jump is 28' 1/4".
 
2012-08-03 04:30:41 PM  

El Uno Magnifico:
True. You know, I'd love to see Bolt take a crack at the high jump.


If he has the coordination he could be amazing.

The explosive power is obviously there.
 
2012-08-03 04:32:34 PM  

bdub77: I was a Bulls fan most of my life and let me tell you every Bulls fan I knew was aware that Scottie Pippen was a HoF caliber player who was paramount to the success the team had in those years.


Michael Jordan is a global icon and people who have never watched a basketball game, ever, know who he is. Scottie Pippen would not get recognized by half the fans of the NBA.

And you don't know about the Jordanaires? Feel free to read some books from the era about the Bulls or read some old newspaper clippings.

And no, Pippen's not really a standout personality nor does he have the face for it. But he's also never asked and he's always an afterthought when talking about all-time greats. And there are many documented cases where of course he didn't score as much, because Jordan would take over to ensure he led the team in scoring if Pippen were hot early. Kinda like how sometimes D-Wade would do it to LeBron in the last couple years (except Jordan was better than Pippen, while Wade wasn't as good as LeBron, so it was a bit less offensive).
 
2012-08-03 04:33:08 PM  

Chulainn: NZL goalie took a hard alex morgan knee to the head/face...ouch.


Video

Motherfarking ouch!!!
 
2012-08-03 04:33:56 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: Bolt probably would if you egged him on, but Blake, Gay, or any elite 100m sprinter today? Not a chance.


It's a matter of being good at both and just keeping on doing them. There are a lot of 100 meter runners who do long and do it well in high school, but they get to college and give up the long jump a lot of them.

Tigger: Right up to when it turned out my pathetic T-Rex shoulders could barely get a javelin off the ground.


I think I coud've done javelin. Shot put on the other hand....well you've seen me.

El Uno Magnifico: True. You know, I'd love to see Bolt take a crack at the high jump.


I'd love to see him do the 400 to see what he could do to it. And given his speed if he ever had any technique he'd be superman in the long jump.
 
2012-08-03 04:34:14 PM  
10,000 meter run...does anyone know why the countries try to run together? Does it help?
 
2012-08-03 04:34:53 PM  

consider this: Chulainn: NZL goalie took a hard alex morgan knee to the head/face...ouch.

Video

Motherfarking ouch!!!


She deserved it. Should have been a penalty kick or at least a free kick.
 
2012-08-03 04:35:00 PM  

WhyteRaven74: It's a matter of being good at both and just keeping on doing them. There are a lot of 100 meter runners who do long and do it well in high school, but they get to college and give up the long jump a lot of them.


I'm guessing long jump comes with a higher risk of injury as well.
 
2012-08-03 04:35:15 PM  

bborchar: 10,000 meter run...does anyone know why the countries try to run together? Does it help?


even in running there's a little bit of draft.
 
2012-08-03 04:36:55 PM  
I've always said Bolt should go after Johnson's 400m record next
 
2012-08-03 04:37:10 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Naw. He's done. And even if he really, really wanted it the chances are he wouldn't do nearly as well. The dudes who are as young as he is now and his age at the last olympics would be kicking that ass.


Dara Torres was 41 when she competed in her last Olympics in 2008 and won 3 silvers in swimming. Phelps is a freak of nature and will only be 31 in 2016.
 
2012-08-03 04:37:52 PM  
I have done maybe 1,000 words today. Being at work is clearly a waste of everyone's time while the Olympics are on, so I think they should just give me next week off.
 
2012-08-03 04:37:58 PM  

bborchar: 10,000 meter run...does anyone know why the countries try to run together? Does it help?


easier to keep a pace when you're running with people you train with and are familiar with.

Siamese Bream: I'm guessing long jump comes with a higher risk of injury as well.


It doesn't actually. Far more likely to pull a hamstring running the 100 then get hurt in the long jump.
 
2012-08-03 04:39:58 PM  

Siamese Bream: I'm guessing long jump comes with a higher risk of injury as well.


Hell yeah. That's a hamstring, knee, hip, ankle and foot ripper if I ever saw one.
 
2012-08-03 04:40:11 PM  
well america got one medal in shot. good throw Reese.
 
2012-08-03 04:40:13 PM  

Siamese Bream: WhyteRaven74: It's a matter of being good at both and just keeping on doing them. There are a lot of 100 meter runners who do long and do it well in high school, but they get to college and give up the long jump a lot of them.

I'm guessing long jump comes with a higher risk of injury as well.


It does, which is why most elite sprinters won't touch it or any jumping event.
 
2012-08-03 04:40:38 PM  

WhyteRaven74: bborchar: 10,000 meter run...does anyone know why the countries try to run together? Does it help?

easier to keep a pace when you're running with people you train with and are familiar with.

Siamese Bream: I'm guessing long jump comes with a higher risk of injury as well.

It doesn't actually. Far more likely to pull a hamstring running the 100 then get hurt in the long jump.


Only athletics injury I ever had was long jumping. (sample of one)
 
2012-08-03 04:41:02 PM  
I hope the runners weren't too distracted by an enormous Polish man thundering across the track in front of them.
 
2012-08-03 04:41:27 PM  

Tigger: I've always said Bolt should go after Johnson's 400m record next


Funny thing is he ran the 400 as a junior track athlete and was supposed to stick with it until he convinced his coach to let him try the 100. The first time he set the world record, was his fourth 100 meter dash.
 
2012-08-03 04:42:32 PM  

WhyteRaven74: It doesn't actually. Far more likely to pull a hamstring running the 100 then get hurt in the long jump.


Not if you're jumping into the sandpit we had at school. There be dragons. And dogshiat. And rusty nails. And landmines. And first years in advanced stages of decomposition.
 
2012-08-03 04:43:12 PM  
Just caught a little bit of the Women's 10,000 meter race. Does anyone know the name of the girl with the black leggins and green uni?
 
2012-08-03 04:43:24 PM  
I love the Polish guy who just won the shot put. Cut in front of the women running the 10k to get a flag and then a laugh worthy of any supervillian.
 
2012-08-03 04:45:25 PM  

IAmRight: bdub77: I was a Bulls fan most of my life and let me tell you every Bulls fan I knew was aware that Scottie Pippen was a HoF caliber player who was paramount to the success the team had in those years.

Michael Jordan is a global icon and people who have never watched a basketball game, ever, know who he is. Scottie Pippen would not get recognized by half the fans of the NBA.

And you don't know about the Jordanaires? Feel free to read some books from the era about the Bulls or read some old newspaper clippings.

And no, Pippen's not really a standout personality nor does he have the face for it. But he's also never asked and he's always an afterthought when talking about all-time greats. And there are many documented cases where of course he didn't score as much, because Jordan would take over to ensure he led the team in scoring if Pippen were hot early. Kinda like how sometimes D-Wade would do it to LeBron in the last couple years (except Jordan was better than Pippen, while Wade wasn't as good as LeBron, so it was a bit less offensive).


See, I just think you are overrating Pippen a bit. Yes he was good and had some very good years. In his best year, at the prime of his career and not playing in the shadow of Jordan, he was good for no more than 22PPG. That wasn't even enough to be league MVP. Most of the greatest league players had years where they averaged upwards of 28-30PPG. He never got close to that, even playing 1.5 years w/o Jordan, even playing as well as he did.

So does he not get enough credit? I think he gets enough credit for what he was. Hell the guy made the '92 Dream Team, is that not enough recognition? And as for recognition in this day and age, that goes for a ton of retired NBA players who were as good as Pippen in his heyday. There are probably tons of NBA fans who wouldn't recognize Moses Malone or Clyde Drexler. And I recognize a handful of players from before the 80s. That's life, people are forgotten. In the future who knows maybe Dwayne Wade will be forgotten for playing in LeBron's shadow (I doubt it tho, Wade won a ring before LeBron did.)
 
2012-08-03 04:45:34 PM  

Tigger: Only athletics injury I ever had was long jumping. (sample of one)


heh well I'm a sample of one who never got hurt doing long jump, or triple jump. Though at one meet I did get to see a guy dislocate his knee in triple jump. Fun watching that when you're next up to go.

Siamese Bream: Not if you're jumping into the sandpit we had at school. There be dragons. And dogshiat. And rusty nails. And landmines. And first years in advanced stages of decomposition.


reminds me of one school whose track meet we'd compete at, I hated jumping there because their jumping pit could charitably be described as bad.
 
2012-08-03 04:45:46 PM  
Even the heptathletes are approaching OR times on the track
 
2012-08-03 04:46:12 PM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: Just caught a little bit of the Women's 10,000 meter race. Does anyone know the name of the girl with the black leggins and green uni?


Their names are right there on their chests.
 
2012-08-03 04:47:11 PM  

consider this: Dara Torres was 41 when she competed in her last Olympics in 2008 and won 3 silvers in swimming.


No shiat. And Phelps wants a silver like he wants a hole in his head.

Phelps is a freak of nature and will only be 31 in 2016.

He'll also be about twenty pounds heavier, frequently stoned, rolling in money, unaware of the whereabouts of his old swimming coach, very happy about that, and completely disinterested in competitive swimming. He said he's done so the speculation is sort of meaningless. I don't think he could muster up the desire again. I think he agrees.
 
2012-08-03 04:48:10 PM  

RminusQ: TrainingWheelsNeeded: Just caught a little bit of the Women's 10,000 meter race. Does anyone know the name of the girl with the black leggins and green uni?

Their names are right there on their chests.


I know, but they never got a good tight shot on her. Guess I will have to go back to the break room. At a glance my god what legs and ass.
 
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