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2012-08-03 03:45:15 PM
Flojo's juicing doesn't count - she's American.
 
2012-08-03 03:45:26 PM

thecpt: no fellow putters out there? rats.


I was a jumper myself, but I'm watching the shot put with great interest.

bacongood: And what event wouldn't be helped by steroids?


hammer throw is one, steroids won't help that much there. Hell the world record holder wasn't even the biggest thrower in his day during the 80s. His technique was just insanely good.
 
2012-08-03 03:45:39 PM

desertgeek: expobill: wowsers, Canada up 2-0 eh?

On Britain? That's technically disobeying the Queen, isn't it?


which queen?
i feel bad for Britain, great or not
 
2012-08-03 03:46:02 PM

El Uno Magnifico: IAmRight: El Uno Magnifico: Were neither of you on a team at any point?

I have been, and I've also read countless books about them. Guys feel pretty okay about things as long as they get to contribute, but they do tend to get bitter when everyone fawns over one person and ignores the rest.

Like how everyone mentioned/mentions Phelps and ignored pretty much everyone else for the most part.

Actually, athletes who get bitter tend to be ones who think the spotlight should always be on them, regardless of results. Lochte, for example. I think Missy Franklin is proof that you can get attention if you're good and you win. Besides, it'd be dumb to think you'd ever get the same kind of attention as Phelps without being an athlete who has won 21 medals over three Olympics.

Pippen is a Hall of Famer. He's not the best there ever was - that's Jordan. If Pippen is jealous of all the attention Jordan gets for being the greatest, that's Pippen's fault - and that's not someone I'd want to be.


Exactly. People who want to be the top dog will get jealous because it's an alpha male thing. I'm sure that plays into Lochte's whole deal, certainly Clary was a little jealous. Other guys don't really care they just want to represent their country and win. I don't mind being a behind the scenes guy, but the only time I get mad is if a guy who does nothing takes all of the credit.

My personal pet peeve in sports is when I'm playing in an amateur league like basketball and some people play 80% of the minutes in all the games. Hey I realize I'm not a good basketball player but I paid the same amount as the other guy, yeah I'd like to be able to play at least a fair share of the time. (I ended up quitting because it had gotten ridiculous, some of my teammates were getting 5 minutes a game and others never subbed out.)
 
2012-08-03 03:46:16 PM
Why do they pack the swimming in so much that athletes can't compete in all the races they want? Really, if you are going to run a race, you want the best in the world in it, not a situation where a swimmer doesn't try for that one since he's doing others the same day. (Not training for all the events you could possibly do because you have to specialize is one thing, not competing in all the events you are good at because they are scheduled too close together is another). If resting up for other races wasn't so important, maybe the subbing out for qualifying wouldn't be a thing either.
 
2012-08-03 03:47:04 PM

expobill: desertgeek: expobill: wowsers, Canada up 2-0 eh?

On Britain? That's technically disobeying the Queen, isn't it?

which queen?
i feel bad for Britain, great or not


Canada is part of the Commonwealth. Queen Elizabeth is still their ceremonial head of state.
 
2012-08-03 03:47:09 PM
Sweet, Chad le Clos' dad is on TV again.
 
2012-08-03 03:47:10 PM
i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.
 
2012-08-03 03:47:34 PM
Why is cantwell looking like he is just practicing?
 
2012-08-03 03:48:04 PM

IAmRight: El Uno Magnifico: I guarantee you there's not one member of that relay team that doesn't want to race in the final - and there's not one member of that relay team who would place themselves ahead of a more-talented teammate and jeopardize the team's chance at gold.

Again, no one is saying they should.

People are saying that if you want to be a finalist, you should have to qualify.

/f*ck yeah, reverse jinx like a champ! Murray with three match points!


For an individual event? Sure. For a team relay? Why? There are very good strategic reasons behind why it's done that way, and none of them violate any reasonable sense of ethics or morals.
 
2012-08-03 03:48:26 PM

Nanny Statesman: Why do they pack the swimming in so much that athletes can't compete in all the races they want?


Most swimmers don't actually want to swim more than 2 or 3 individual races. It takes pretty rare skill to be able to think of swimming 4 or 5 individual events.
 
2012-08-03 03:48:46 PM
the abs on the female runners are impressive
 
2012-08-03 03:49:03 PM

thecpt: Why is cantwell looking like he is just practicing?


Looks like they have 6 throws. Using the 1st 2-3 as a warmup for the later ones, maybe?
 
2012-08-03 03:51:19 PM

thecpt: Why is cantwell looking like he is just practicing?


Cause that's how he throws. I've seen make huge throws where it looked like he was just tossing it out there.
 
2012-08-03 03:51:31 PM

Siamese Bream: El Uno Magnifico: It's not arrogant. I think you and IAmRight are assuming that these swimmers that are being replaced are being used as unwilling pawns by superstar swimmers. It's the opposite, actually, and they have very good reasons.

Plus, a relay is a team event, not an individual one. As a member of the team, you want the team to win gold at all costs - no matter who closes the deal and brings it home in the finals.

Were neither of you on a team at any point?

Personally, I'm not talking about individual glory or attention or anything like that - I see why they do it. My quibble is with the rules. I think that if you want to race in the final, you should have to get yourself there. And if that means they have to drop an individual event, then so be it. Lots of other athletes have to give up on plans to do one event so they can focus on another.


Other athletes have to give up plans because they don't have the deep team that Team USA has. If you're as talented as Phelps and you can compete for gold in virtually any event you want, you're going to want help from your team. Any athlete of that caliber would - and every athlete that can take advantage of it does.

I definitely understand making each participant in an individual event compete in all stages. Relays are team efforts, though, not individual ones. That's why they allow you to sub athletes in the first place.
 
2012-08-03 03:51:53 PM

desertgeek: thecpt: Why is cantwell looking like he is just practicing?

Looks like they have 6 throws. Using the 1st 2-3 as a warmup for the later ones, maybe?


That's not how you do olympic finals though, or is it. Guaranteed 6 throws? or is it three, qualify for three more.
 
2012-08-03 03:52:05 PM

Siamese Bream: WhyteRaven74: It's how the rules have always been. And it's rare for an entire relay lineup to get replaced. In track it can't be done, teams aren't allowed to have enough runners to swap out all four members of a relay squad.

Maybe so, but I think the rules should be different. Obviously you should be able to make replacements due to injury or illness, but otherwise I think the same team should do qualification and the final, in both swimming and athletics.


It depends whether you think of it as a team meet or an individual one. Oddly enough track is technically a team sport - there's a winning team at the end of most meets. When I ran 400 I only raced in the final of the 4x400 because I was already doing one or two 400m heats and a 400m final beforehand.
 
2012-08-03 03:52:51 PM

A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.


Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)
 
2012-08-03 03:54:02 PM

bdub77: El Uno Magnifico: IAmRight: El Uno Magnifico: Were neither of you on a team at any point?

I have been, and I've also read countless books about them. Guys feel pretty okay about things as long as they get to contribute, but they do tend to get bitter when everyone fawns over one person and ignores the rest.

Like how everyone mentioned/mentions Phelps and ignored pretty much everyone else for the most part.

Actually, athletes who get bitter tend to be ones who think the spotlight should always be on them, regardless of results. Lochte, for example. I think Missy Franklin is proof that you can get attention if you're good and you win. Besides, it'd be dumb to think you'd ever get the same kind of attention as Phelps without being an athlete who has won 21 medals over three Olympics.

Pippen is a Hall of Famer. He's not the best there ever was - that's Jordan. If Pippen is jealous of all the attention Jordan gets for being the greatest, that's Pippen's fault - and that's not someone I'd want to be.

Exactly. People who want to be the top dog will get jealous because it's an alpha male thing. I'm sure that plays into Lochte's whole deal, certainly Clary was a little jealous. Other guys don't really care they just want to represent their country and win. I don't mind being a behind the scenes guy, but the only time I get mad is if a guy who does nothing takes all of the credit.

My personal pet peeve in sports is when I'm playing in an amateur league like basketball and some people play 80% of the minutes in all the games. Hey I realize I'm not a good basketball player but I paid the same amount as the other guy, yeah I'd like to be able to play at least a fair share of the time. (I ended up quitting because it had gotten ridiculous, some of my teammates were getting 5 minutes a game and others never subbed out.)


Yep - and Lochte arguably cost the U.S. a gold in the relay he swam. Everyone else killed it but he was drained from trying to pull a Phelps that he couldn't bring it home. I'd be willing to bet a fresh Team USA swimmer could've pulled out a strong final leg to win gold.
 
2012-08-03 03:54:12 PM

thecpt: desertgeek: thecpt: Why is cantwell looking like he is just practicing?

Looks like they have 6 throws. Using the 1st 2-3 as a warmup for the later ones, maybe?

That's not how you do olympic finals though, or is it. Guaranteed 6 throws? or is it three, qualify for three more.


From what I can tell, they had 3 qualifying throws this morning and 6 for the final.
 
2012-08-03 03:55:48 PM
This first long jump prelim is, well, bad. I've seen more badly blown jumps than I ever saw at a high school meet, let alone what I've ever seen at a world class meet.
 
2012-08-03 03:55:59 PM

desertgeek: thecpt: desertgeek: thecpt: Why is cantwell looking like he is just practicing?

Looks like they have 6 throws. Using the 1st 2-3 as a warmup for the later ones, maybe?

That's not how you do olympic finals though, or is it. Guaranteed 6 throws? or is it three, qualify for three more.

From what I can tell, they had 3 qualifying throws this morning and 6 for the final.


The top 8 after the first 3 throws will throw 3 more.
 
2012-08-03 03:56:16 PM

JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)


Very true. That's one reason why I think Carl Lewis is the greatest Olympian of all time; didn't just win but defended gold in the 100m and long jump, two sports with completely different skillsets.
 
2012-08-03 03:56:52 PM

ed315: desertgeek: thecpt: desertgeek: thecpt: Why is cantwell looking like he is just practicing?

Looks like they have 6 throws. Using the 1st 2-3 as a warmup for the later ones, maybe?

That's not how you do olympic finals though, or is it. Guaranteed 6 throws? or is it three, qualify for three more.

From what I can tell, they had 3 qualifying throws this morning and 6 for the final.

The top 8 after the first 3 throws will throw 3 more.


Well, that makes sense.

And the American Cantwell farked his 3rd throw up.
 
2012-08-03 03:58:58 PM

El Uno Magnifico: gold in the 100m and long jump, two sports with completely different skillsets.


Speed down the runway is a huge part of long jump. And Lewis had tons of that.

And holy shiat, Irving Saladiano the gold medalist in long jump from Beijing isn't going to the finals this year, he scratched all three prelim jumps.
 
2012-08-03 03:59:54 PM

degenerate-afro: I'm not sure you can be the most underrated player of all time if you made it to the Hall of Fame.


Sure you can, when everyone always attributes every athletic accomplishment you ever had to "thanks to Jordan." And the whole "they never would've won any titles without Jordan."

They never would've won any titles without Pippen, either, but no one ever says that. Jordan made 10x as much money in salary (before endorsements) as Pippen made in 97-98. Jordan was better, but not by THAT much.
 
2012-08-03 04:00:02 PM
Nice Reese
 
2012-08-03 04:01:20 PM

IAmRight: They never would've won any titles without Pippen, either, but no one ever says that.


Actually a lot of people who know basketball do.
 
2012-08-03 04:02:29 PM
Whiting with what I thought was a strong throw, but he only moved up to 9th
 
2012-08-03 04:02:43 PM

IAmRight: degenerate-afro: I'm not sure you can be the most underrated player of all time if you made it to the Hall of Fame.

Sure you can, when everyone always attributes every athletic accomplishment you ever had to "thanks to Jordan." And the whole "they never would've won any titles without Jordan."

They never would've won any titles without Pippen, either, but no one ever says that. Jordan made 10x as much money in salary (before endorsements) as Pippen made in 97-98. Jordan was better, but not by THAT much.


Yeah but you got a chance to see what a Jordanless team was when he left for the White Sox. Pippen did not make up the slack for that team in his absence. You could argue he didn't have enough time but there was at least some proof that Pippen needed Jordan just as much as Jordan needed Pippen.
 
2012-08-03 04:02:50 PM

JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)


I'd watch that.
 
2012-08-03 04:03:42 PM
These shot-putters are really farking up that nice lawn.
 
2012-08-03 04:04:39 PM

rugman11: JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)

I'd watch that.


I think I heard it mentioned this week that there was a race where 2 guys were underwater for 49 of a 50 possible meters. They put in a 15m rule for being underwater after that happened.
 
2012-08-03 04:04:42 PM

El Uno Magnifico: JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)

Very true. That's one reason why I think Carl Lewis is the greatest Olympian of all time; didn't just win but defended gold in the 100m and long jump, two sports with completely different skillsets.


They are different skillsets but if your top speed is good your longjump will be good.

This was the logic behind the hilariously failed athletics project "let's make Tigger a decathlete". Which was going great until I tried to throw something.
 
2012-08-03 04:04:42 PM

WhyteRaven74: Actually a lot of people who know basketball do.


But the vast majority of the world ignores him. Michael Jordan is a worldwide icon who STILL gets significant endorsement money and Scottie Pippen doesn't get jack despite having accomplished more without Jordan than Jordan did without Pippen.
 
2012-08-03 04:04:43 PM

El Uno Magnifico: Very true. That's one reason why I think Carl Lewis is the greatest Olympian of all time; didn't just win but defended gold in the 100m and long jump, two sports with completely different skillsets.


I just tell myself that 'greatest olympian of all time' is entirely subjective and impossible to define so I don't have one. Phelps does have the most medals and that's fine. I am happy to call him the most medal winning champion champion though.
 
2012-08-03 04:06:24 PM

Siamese Bream: These shot-putters are really farking up that nice lawn.


I don't get why they can't use sand there. Makes more sense to me than grass.

And that sucks that shot putters can just step on the foul step to have a throw aborted. That's BS to me.
 
2012-08-03 04:06:27 PM
Majewski, don't pick your nose at the olympics.
 
2012-08-03 04:07:22 PM

rugman11: I'd watch that.


fark yeah. I would too. I'd also like to see the underwater obstacle course but I'm not getting my hopes up.
 
2012-08-03 04:07:48 PM

desertgeek: Siamese Bream: These shot-putters are really farking up that nice lawn.

I don't get why they can't use sand there. Makes more sense to me than grass.

And that sucks that shot putters can just step on the foul step to have a throw aborted. That's BS to me.


Why? It's not like there is an average throw stat. I loved that I could do that.
 
2012-08-03 04:08:32 PM
2 Americans- Cantwell and Reese- in the shot put final 8.
 
2012-08-03 04:08:46 PM
Also who is the genius at NBC who keeps putting ad breaks in the middle of actual events.

I DEMAND HOT HEPTATHLETES WITHOUT INTERRUPTION
 
2012-08-03 04:09:34 PM
Had the ... opportunity ... to watch NBC's network coverage today. Nothing is live. They're airing rowing right now; it's a bright and sunny day.

/late
 
2012-08-03 04:09:39 PM

Tigger: "let's make Tigger a decathlete


What exactly were they thinking when they came up with that?
 
2012-08-03 04:10:06 PM

desertgeek: rugman11: JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)

I'd watch that.

I think I heard it mentioned this week that there was a race where 2 guys were underwater for 49 of a 50 possible meters. They put in a 15m rule for being underwater after that happened.


Huh, they even have a world record for it. The current record holder is Dave Mullins of New Zealand who swam 244 meters in 4 minutes, 2 seconds.

And they've been saying this week that the underwater stroke is the second fastest, which must be the reason they limit the non-freestyle races. I know the breast strokers (heh) are only allowed one dolphin kick before they have to surface.
 
2012-08-03 04:10:28 PM

rugman11: JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: i'm starting to realize that there are simply way too many swimming events in the olympics.

Next up, the medley relay, but in backwards order! Then after the break we'll 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, & really long distance individual prelims in every different stroke you could possibly imagine including underwater as fast as you can without coming up for air.

(phelps is every superlative I could come up with but I hope everyone understands how uniquely suited swimming is for getting lots of medals)

I'd watch that.


It's been done
 
2012-08-03 04:10:49 PM

IAmRight: WhyteRaven74: Actually a lot of people who know basketball do.

But the vast majority of the world ignores him. Michael Jordan is a worldwide icon who STILL gets significant endorsement money and Scottie Pippen doesn't get jack despite having accomplished more without Jordan than Jordan did without Pippen.


The vast majority of the world ignores most retired basketball players. You think David Robinson is pulling down significant endorsement money in retirement?
 
2012-08-03 04:11:04 PM

bdub77: Pippen did not make up the slack for that team in his absence.


Yeah, they only won 55 games and went to 7 games against the Knicks, a team that regularly took them to 7 games even with Jordan. Oh, and that was with the Knicks stealing a game on a questionable call with two seconds left to give the Knicks two points and the game.
 
2012-08-03 04:11:42 PM

thecpt: desertgeek: Siamese Bream: These shot-putters are really farking up that nice lawn.

I don't get why they can't use sand there. Makes more sense to me than grass.

And that sucks that shot putters can just step on the foul step to have a throw aborted. That's BS to me.

Why? It's not like there is an average throw stat. I loved that I could do that.


Just take the throw, I say. It's not like the others don't see how far you threw it.
 
2012-08-03 04:12:41 PM

Tigger: I DEMAND HOT HEPTATHLETES WITHOUT INTERRUPTION


There are some gorgeous women in that competition.

/I'm looking at you, Ivona Dadic.
 
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