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2012-08-03 02:06:41 AM  
Sold my stake in NOK, took the long-term $4k loss. $3k this year $1k next. Meh... I'll repurchase after 30 days and wait for a prayer to be answered. Nokia has GOT to go somewhere. I'm just hoping it isn't bankruptcy.

The Lumia is a beautiful phone. Someone talk me out of this before I piss away another 4k.
 
2012-08-03 02:51:56 AM  
Wait...the Sybian is dead? But...but I was told teh ladies loved it!
 
2012-08-03 03:33:28 AM  

Spad31: Wait...the Sybian is dead? But...but I was told teh ladies loved it!


izit.org

Thanks for stealing my bit!

/bows to your superior internets
 
2012-08-03 03:37:37 AM  
If market share is a reason to insult a tech product, does this mean that Macbooks suck?

Baby, didn't I blow your mind, this time?
 
2012-08-03 05:52:49 AM  

dickfreckle: If market share is a reason to insult a tech product, does this mean that Macbooks suck?


Hmmm, maybe... just don't take Amazon too seriously, I guess?
 
2012-08-03 09:24:32 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Sold my stake in NOK, took the long-term $4k loss. $3k this year $1k next. Meh... I'll repurchase after 30 days and wait for a prayer to be answered. Nokia has GOT to go somewhere. I'm just hoping it isn't bankruptcy.

The Lumia is a beautiful phone. Someone talk me out of this before I piss away another 4k.


I'd wait until after you see what kind of Windows 8 devices they are going to have (and if they are gonna suck).
 
2012-08-03 09:25:57 AM  
Symbian:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-03 09:56:58 AM  

Spad31: Wait...the Sybian is dead? But...but I was told teh ladies loved it!


They do love it . They gush over it, in fact.
 
2012-08-03 01:22:28 PM  
Any owners of Windows 7 phones want to give their opinion? I've heard generally good things but I've never had more than 20 seconds to try one.
 
2012-08-03 01:23:07 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Symbian:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x225]


How the hell do you dial that thing? or text for that matter.
 
2012-08-03 01:30:07 PM  
My wife has a mango phone.. its very nice. I seriously thought about getting one till I heard that the 7.5 phones will not be upgradable to windows 8. So I ended up getting a Galaxy S3 for at least the next 2 years (hopefully then any kinks in windows 8 phones are fixed).
 
2012-08-03 01:30:42 PM  

Grapple: Because People in power are Stupid: Symbian:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x225]

How the hell do you dial that thing? or text for that matter.


It has only one setting: 11.
 
2012-08-03 01:34:38 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Spad31: Wait...the Sybian is dead? But...but I was told teh ladies loved it!

They do love it . They gush over it, in fact.


Lily Thai sure did
 
2012-08-03 01:34:59 PM  
Grapple:
How the hell do you dial that thing? or text for that matter.

kegels
 
2012-08-03 01:41:00 PM  
Came for...well, you all know.
 
2012-08-03 01:41:44 PM  

dbirchall: dickfreckle: If market share is a reason to insult a tech product, does this mean that Macbooks suck?

Hmmm, maybe... just don't take Amazon too seriously, I guess?


http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2748615/applemarketshare_ l arge_verge_medium_landscape.png

/hotlinked
 
2012-08-03 01:42:12 PM  

WayToBlue: Any owners of Windows 7 phones want to give their opinion? I've heard generally good things but I've never had more than 20 seconds to try one.


I like my Lumia 900. It's very pretty, reasonably fast, cheap and very well built. It might actually be indestructible. I was hiking two weeks ago and dropped mine off a ~25 foot stone ledge while taking pictures. It was still waiting for me to click the shutter button when I found it, no damage to the screen and only a slight chip on one corner of the housing.

The weaknesses are
1) no Adobe Flash
2) you have to do some tinkering to get a PC to see it as a storage drive
3) Less app selection (though more than enough for me)
4) No WP8 for current phones
5) The Zune PC software is a mess.
 
2012-08-03 01:42:36 PM  
Ah nuts, let's try this again without "post comment immediately"

cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2012-08-03 01:49:45 PM  
Problems I have with Windows phone? Ok, I'll bite!

OS LIMITATIONS

1. No true multitasking for 3rd party apps - they re frozen in the background.

2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss of quality.

3. No mass storage mode.

4. No micro-SD card support.

5. Only support up to 16GB storage .

6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque.

7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.

8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.

9. Limited to 800x480 resolution.

10. Voice search is hardwired to Bing.

11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.

12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.

13. No VPN support for this âoecorporate enterpriseâ phone.

14. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud

15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace.

16. System font size cannot be changed.

17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone.

18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set.

19. No centralized notification page.

20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.

21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.

22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed.

23. No way to stream audio to the majority of car audio systems as the most common Bluetooth rSAP profile is not implemented.

24. Cannot stream audio from video playback to Bluetooth devices as A2DP profile is not implemented.

25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment.

26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard (no HID profile)

27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone.

28. Very limited customization option.

29. Cannot be upgraded to WP8 (Apollo)

USABILITY ISSUES

30. No always visible status bar for battery life, signal strength, carrier ID, 2G/3G wi-fi, Bluetooth on.

31. Taskmanager has no option to shut down apps you donâ(TM)t want running in the background.

32. Search and Back button cannot be de-activated in apps or games and easily touched by accident which interrupt your user experience.

33. Lockscreen need to be activated to show missed call/sms notification.

34. No way to close an app except pressing back button all the way to the first screen.

35. Tiny fonts in messages is very hard to read for those over 45.

36. Cannot create and save playlists on the phone.

37. Playlist can only be edited when you are playing it.

38. Cannot search your music collection on the phone, only in the Marketplace.

39. Cannot close music player, can only pause. Music player on lockscreen will stay until you reboot. Be careful not to touch it in a meeting.

40. No draggable progress bar for current track playing and no indication which track in an album is currently playing

41. Cannot lock screen orientation.

42. Online and phone contacts are mixed together with no ability to filter.

43. Search button in dialer does not search contacts for dialing, but search call history.

44. Cannot save draft sms messages.

45. Call history only show phone number type. If a contact has multiple phone nos. for a type the number used is unknown.

46. Cannot recognize phone numbers in sms or email to save or use as calling number.

47. Text messages can only be deleted one by one or the whole thread.

48. Cannot select multiple pictures for deleting, sending or uploading. They must be done one at a time.

49. No way to see photo details - dimension, date/time taken, file size, etc
 
2012-08-03 01:59:41 PM  

forum.xda-developers.com = upload.wikimedia.org
store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com = upload.wikimedia.org
images.amazon.com = upload.wikimedia.org
i.zdnet.com = static1.businessinsider.com



/sound about right?
 
2012-08-03 02:19:17 PM  
People can hate all they want, but my Windows phone is definitely the favorite of the phones I've owned/tried. Far more stable than any Android phone I've used, and I just don't like the iOS user interface at all.

I only have two gripes about the phone, those being the media player and not having a close button on the apps in the app switcher. Apps will actually fully close with enough back presses though, which makes the battery last forever.

Also, having my car read my text messages over the stereo is quite awesome.
 
2012-08-03 02:23:14 PM  

BobtheOwl001: Apps will actually fully close with enough back presses though, which makes the battery last forever.


You shouldn't need to do that, if you are not in the app, it's not running, it's been put in a sort of sleep state
 
2012-08-03 02:26:54 PM  

HeartBurnKid: [forum.xda-developers.com image 300x250] = [upload.wikimedia.org image 333x250]
[store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com image 230x250] = [upload.wikimedia.org image 399x250]
[images.amazon.com image 400x250] = [upload.wikimedia.org image 333x250]
[i.zdnet.com image 339x250] = [static1.businessinsider.com image 333x250]

/sound about right?


Pretty much. People will be writing books about how badly Microsoft screwed up their mobile strategy and let Android become the de facto alternative to iOS.
 
2012-08-03 02:28:40 PM  
 
2012-08-03 02:35:12 PM  

OriginalGamer: Problems I have with Windows phone? Ok, I'll bite!

4. No micro-SD card support.

Weird - the 64 gig card in my Focus works fine.

5. Only support up to 16GB storage .
See answer #4.

7. Need Zune to transfer files.
I dump files to my skydrive from the computer, then open them via my phone's skydrive.

23. No way to stream audio to the majority of car audio systems as the most common Bluetooth rSAP profile is not implemented.
Bluetooth music streaming works fine in a stock 2010 Prius, and in my buddies aftermarket pioneer system.

42. Online and phone contacts are mixed together with no ability to filter.
Bottom right icon --> settings --> filter my contact list

45. Call history only show phone number type. If a contact has multiple phone nos. for a type the number used is unknown.
Depends on how you have that person's contact details. Call history shows "Home" "Mobile" "Mobile 1" etc.

You pointed out some legit issues, but the ones above are just bunk.

/has a Dell XT, Focus, Focus S - and next week, a Titan II
//even has a KIN.
 
2012-08-03 02:38:31 PM  

OriginalGamer: lots of stuff


And there's zero accessibility.
 
2012-08-03 02:40:14 PM  
I generally despise Microsoft products, but I really like Windows Phone. I don't have a Windows machine or a Mac, so I can't buy one (plus I can't play Civilization Revolution on it), but if they ever (a) got Civ Rev and (b) made it usable without a Windows machine or a Mac, I would seriously consider buying it.
 
2012-08-03 02:49:21 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I generally despise Microsoft products, but I really like Windows Phone. I don't have a Windows machine or a Mac, so I can't buy one (plus I can't play Civilization Revolution on it), but if they ever (a) got Civ Rev and (b) made it usable without a Windows machine or a Mac, I would seriously consider buying it.


Taking a look: Civilization Revolution is available on the marketplace for $2.99. 4 1/2 stars with 441 ratings.

The latest revision is fully usable without having to load the desktop software - so no Mac or PC needed. All you need the Zune software for is phone updates. They even removed the App function of the Zune software, pushing everyone to use the phone or web interface. WP8 will have all updates Over-The-Air, but other than the 7.8 revision, no more updates are planned for the current crop.
 
2012-08-03 02:49:55 PM  

WayToBlue: Any owners of Windows 7 phones want to give their opinion? I've heard generally good things but I've never had more than 20 seconds to try one.


I love it. I had a Focus and now have a Nokia L900 people do like it but when I tell them it's on At&t they cringe. They have plenty of third party apps that rival or even surpass first party apps on other platforms(looking at you Pandora). LTE is fast and is all around the Chicagoland area even Dupage county. The thing that will surprise a new owner is if you have friends on Facebook and they have their phone # on their their Facebook picture pops up.
/So far so good can't wait for WP8
 
2012-08-03 02:50:59 PM  
In addition to MrSteve's points, here's a few more
36 Elipsis on now playing screen
43 Next to search button is contacts button with search
46 tap the number in the sms screen


Many of the others are fixed in WP8, but as you noted there is no upgrade path to WP8 from WP7, however there is a WP7.8 update that at the very least will bring WP8's start screen to WP7, it may also have other features back ported, hard to say right now
 
2012-08-03 02:52:56 PM  

MrSteve007: Lord Dimwit: I generally despise Microsoft products, but I really like Windows Phone. I don't have a Windows machine or a Mac, so I can't buy one (plus I can't play Civilization Revolution on it), but if they ever (a) got Civ Rev and (b) made it usable without a Windows machine or a Mac, I would seriously consider buying it.

Taking a look: Civilization Revolution is available on the marketplace for $2.99. 4 1/2 stars with 441 ratings.

The latest revision is fully usable without having to load the desktop software - so no Mac or PC needed. All you need the Zune software for is phone updates. They even removed the App function of the Zune software, pushing everyone to use the phone or web interface. WP8 will have all updates Over-The-Air, but other than the 7.8 revision, no more updates are planned for the current crop.


Interesting. WP8 is definitely a contender then. A strong contender.
 
2012-08-03 02:55:38 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I generally despise Microsoft products, but I really like Windows Phone. I don't have a Windows machine or a Mac, so I can't buy one (plus I can't play Civilization Revolution on it), but if they ever (a) got Civ Rev and (b) made it usable without a Windows machine or a Mac, I would seriously consider buying it.

Yeah that sucks in WP7.xx you can't update if you don't have a Windows PC or Mac.
WP8 device will have OTA updates and SD card support so you could use a Linux box to dump your music files on to the SD card
 
2012-08-03 02:59:00 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Lord Dimwit: I generally despise Microsoft products, but I really like Windows Phone. I don't have a Windows machine or a Mac, so I can't buy one (plus I can't play Civilization Revolution on it), but if they ever (a) got Civ Rev and (b) made it usable without a Windows machine or a Mac, I would seriously consider buying it.
Yeah that sucks in WP7.xx you can't update if you don't have a Windows PC or Mac.
WP8 device will have OTA updates and SD card support so you could use a Linux box to dump your music files on to the SD card


Heh. I doubt the music thing will work for me. I'm one of those weird guys who has most of his music in Ogg format (which does work on Android).
 
2012-08-03 02:59:51 PM  

OriginalGamer: Problems I have with Windows phone? Ok, I'll bite!

OS LIMITATIONS

1. No true multitasking for 3rd party apps - they re frozen in the background.

2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss of quality.

3. No mass storage mode.

4. No micro-SD card support.

5. Only support up to 16GB storage .

6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque.

7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.

8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.

9. Limited to 800x480 resolution.

10. Voice search is hardwired to Bing.

11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.

12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.

13. No VPN support for this âoecorporate enterpriseâ phone.

14. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud

15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace.

16. System font size cannot be changed.

17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone.

18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set.

19. No centralized notification page.

20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.

21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.

22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed.

23. No way to stream audio to the majority of car audio systems as the most common Bluetooth rSAP profile is not implemented.

24. Cannot stream audio from video playback to Bluetooth devices as A2DP profile is not implemented.

25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment.

26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard (no HID profile)

27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone.

28. Very limited customization option.

29. Cannot be upgraded t ...


I see your copy pasta talking points are from the pre-NoDo days(2010). You might want to update that
 
2012-08-03 03:06:06 PM  

WayToBlue: Any owners of Windows 7 phones want to give their opinion? I've heard generally good things but I've never had more than 20 seconds to try one.


Love my Lumia.

/Had an iPhone.
//Had an Android.
 
2012-08-03 03:07:35 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: OriginalGamer: Problems I have with Windows phone? Ok, I'll bite!

OS LIMITATIONS

1. No true multitasking for 3rd party apps - they re frozen in the background.

2. No Divx/Xvid video codec support. Zune will convert with loss of quality.

3. No mass storage mode.

4. No micro-SD card support.

5. Only support up to 16GB storage .

6. No filemanager. Directory system is totally opaque.

7. Need Zune to transfer files. Zune will only transfer photos, videos & music. All other files need to email/upload to yourself.

8. Your contact details are automatically uploaded to cloud service whether you like it or not.

9. Limited to 800x480 resolution.

10. Voice search is hardwired to Bing.

11. Cannot use any MP3 file as ringtone except those with strict constraints.

12. Cannot set static IP address so no connection to ad-hoc networks.

13. No VPN support for this âoecorporate enterpriseâ phone.

14. Cannot sync directly with Outlook without syncing to Cloud

15. Totally closed OS, cannot sideload apps outside MS Marketplace.

16. System font size cannot be changed.

17. Images and photos cannot be renamed in the phone.

18. Windows Live ID account cannot change country once set.

19. No centralized notification page.

20. Alarm clock cannot work when phone is turned off. All Nokia Symbian and Meego phones can do this.

21. The idle screen is completely blank and cannot display time or notifications.

22. Only photos allowed as email attachments, documents not allowed.

23. No way to stream audio to the majority of car audio systems as the most common Bluetooth rSAP profile is not implemented.

24. Cannot stream audio from video playback to Bluetooth devices as A2DP profile is not implemented.

25. No support for full on-device encryption required for secure applications like mobile banking and online payment.

26. Cannot use Bluetooth keyboard (no HID profile)

27. Cannot silence ringtone or alarm by flipping the phone.

28. Very limited customization option.

29. Canno ...


How often do trolls care about accuracy?
 
2012-08-03 03:09:11 PM  

MrSteve007: Weird - the 64 gig card in my Focus works fine.


I had a loaner Focus for a few weeks, and it was really nice. I really liked it.
 
2012-08-03 03:12:35 PM  

dickfreckle: Thanks for stealing my bit!

/bows to your superior internets


That's OK. Your bit would have been less original than Carlos Mencia's...
 
2012-08-03 03:15:15 PM  
Windows Phone 8.

That is all.
 
2012-08-03 03:27:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Sold my stake in NOK, took the long-term $4k loss. $3k this year $1k next. Meh... I'll repurchase after 30 days and wait for a prayer to be answered. Nokia has GOT to go somewhere. I'm just hoping it isn't bankruptcy.

The Lumia is a beautiful phone. Someone talk me out of this before I piss away another 4k.


Nokia is to The Netherlands as RIM is to Canada and AOL is to the US.

/to be fair, Nokia is in a better position to re-establish themselves compared to the other two
//barely
 
2012-08-03 03:39:30 PM  

Electrify: NewportBarGuy: Sold my stake in NOK, took the long-term $4k loss. $3k this year $1k next. Meh... I'll repurchase after 30 days and wait for a prayer to be answered. Nokia has GOT to go somewhere. I'm just hoping it isn't bankruptcy.

The Lumia is a beautiful phone. Someone talk me out of this before I piss away another 4k.

Nokia is to The Netherlands as RIM is to Canada and AOL is to the US.

/to be fair, Nokia is in a better position to re-establish themselves compared to the other two
//barely


Not as long as they're hitched to Microsoft's fail horse. No matter how much the fanboys like WP, it's always going to be a day late and a dollar short; Android and iOS just have too big of a head start.
 
2012-08-03 03:42:42 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Electrify: NewportBarGuy: Sold my stake in NOK, took the long-term $4k loss. $3k this year $1k next. Meh... I'll repurchase after 30 days and wait for a prayer to be answered. Nokia has GOT to go somewhere. I'm just hoping it isn't bankruptcy.

The Lumia is a beautiful phone. Someone talk me out of this before I piss away another 4k.

Nokia is to The Netherlands as RIM is to Canada and AOL is to the US.

/to be fair, Nokia is in a better position to re-establish themselves compared to the other two
//barely

Not as long as they're hitched to Microsoft's fail horse. No matter how much the fanboys like WP, it's always going to be a day late and a dollar short; Android and iOS just have too big of a head start.


iOS wins because the vast majority of apps are available exclusively or primarily for it. Microsoft needs to use its money and its connections to the gaming community to get every possible game ported over to WP8. That would be a huge step towards getting market dominance.
 
2012-08-03 03:43:45 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Electrify: NewportBarGuy: Sold my stake in NOK, took the long-term $4k loss. $3k this year $1k next. Meh... I'll repurchase after 30 days and wait for a prayer to be answered. Nokia has GOT to go somewhere. I'm just hoping it isn't bankruptcy.

The Lumia is a beautiful phone. Someone talk me out of this before I piss away another 4k.

Nokia is to The Netherlands as RIM is to Canada and AOL is to the US.

/to be fair, Nokia is in a better position to re-establish themselves compared to the other two
//barely

Not as long as they're hitched to Microsoft's fail horse. No matter how much the fanboys like WP, it's always going to be a day late and a dollar short; Android and iOS just have too big of a head start.


Didn't a lot of people say that when the iPhone was first released?
 
2012-08-03 03:53:07 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Not as long as they're hitched to Microsoft's fail horse. No matter how much the fanboys like WP, it's always going to be a day late and a dollar short; Android and iOS just have too big of a head start.


Nah, they can keep funneling Office money into WP development until it's competitive. Doesn't matter how long their WP division loses money. Microsoft knows mobile isn't going away, and they'll spend whatever they have to to stay competitive.

The problem is, one of these days they actually have to come out with features the other platforms don't have. Android made a splash with the Droid because it did some things that the iPhone didn't, and had an aggressive ad campaign to match. It had Flash. It had multitasking (back in the days when you couldn't even listen to Pandora in the background on iPhone). It had free turn-by-turn navigation. It had a keyboard. It had a camera with a flash.

What does WP7 have that iOS and Android don't, aside from a unique UI?
 
2012-08-03 03:53:26 PM  

change1211: HeartBurnKid: Electrify: NewportBarGuy: Sold my stake in NOK, took the long-term $4k loss. $3k this year $1k next. Meh... I'll repurchase after 30 days and wait for a prayer to be answered. Nokia has GOT to go somewhere. I'm just hoping it isn't bankruptcy.

The Lumia is a beautiful phone. Someone talk me out of this before I piss away another 4k.

Nokia is to The Netherlands as RIM is to Canada and AOL is to the US.

/to be fair, Nokia is in a better position to re-establish themselves compared to the other two
//barely

Not as long as they're hitched to Microsoft's fail horse. No matter how much the fanboys like WP, it's always going to be a day late and a dollar short; Android and iOS just have too big of a head start.

Didn't a lot of people say that when the iPhone was first released?


No. No one said that.
 
2012-08-03 03:54:33 PM  

redpanda2: HeartBurnKid: Not as long as they're hitched to Microsoft's fail horse. No matter how much the fanboys like WP, it's always going to be a day late and a dollar short; Android and iOS just have too big of a head start.

Nah, they can keep funneling Office money into WP development until it's competitive. Doesn't matter how long their WP division loses money. Microsoft knows mobile isn't going away, and they'll spend whatever they have to to stay competitive.

The problem is, one of these days they actually have to come out with features the other platforms don't have. Android made a splash with the Droid because it did some things that the iPhone didn't, and had an aggressive ad campaign to match. It had Flash. It had multitasking (back in the days when you couldn't even listen to Pandora in the background on iPhone). It had free turn-by-turn navigation. It had a keyboard. It had a camera with a flash.

What does WP7 have that iOS and Android don't, aside from a unique UI?


The problem with spending money hand over fist is that they actually are up against companies in Google and Apple that have as much if not more free money on hand.
 
2012-08-03 03:57:27 PM  
I hate to admit that I've become 'that guy' but I have. I wish everyone would just go Open Source.

See - it's a self-fulfilling thing. If everyone used Android - the best developers would develop things for Android. And we'd all win because it's open. Same with Linux. I hate Linux. My games don't work and my hardware doesn't have drivers (still). But if everyone used it - they would. And we'd all win because it's free and open.

RIGHT NOW - I get that we want other options because they are 'cool'. But we're only hurting ourselves in the long term
 
2012-08-03 03:59:30 PM  

dbirchall: Hmmm, maybe... just don't take Amazon too seriously, I guess?


Apple's two models are on the best seller list, but overall, their market share is low. Which is kinda the point the guy you were quoting was trying to make. Low market share doesn't mean bad product, and it doesn't even mean it's a poorly supported product. Just depends on the situation.
 
2012-08-03 04:00:40 PM  
As a Nokia Lumia 900 owner i'm getting a kick.....

Having gone from a non-smart phone (Motorola Razr flip phone) straight to Windows Phone I must say it's been fairly smooth sailing. If I had gone from Android or iOS to the windows phone I probably would not be so happy with it. There are a few things I miss from using my iPod as a pseudo smartphone (unified notifications that i can check after the first notification, some apps that are no available with Windows Phone, some app multitasking) but overall I'm very happy with the interface, most of the apps and the phone in general. I think that Microsoft has a great touch device interface, now if only they didn't want to shove it down our throats with Windows 8 for regular computers....
 
2012-08-03 04:12:01 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Electrify: NewportBarGuy: Sold my stake in NOK, took the long-term $4k loss. $3k this year $1k next. Meh... I'll repurchase after 30 days and wait for a prayer to be answered. Nokia has GOT to go somewhere. I'm just hoping it isn't bankruptcy.

The Lumia is a beautiful phone. Someone talk me out of this before I piss away another 4k.

Nokia is to The Netherlands as RIM is to Canada and AOL is to the US.

/to be fair, Nokia is in a better position to re-establish themselves compared to the other two
//barely

Not as long as they're hitched to Microsoft's fail horse. No matter how much the fanboys like WP, it's always going to be a day late and a dollar short; Android and iOS just have too big of a head start.


Well that's just silly, unless you think we've reached the pinnacle of portable devices already. There's plenty of room for a competitor, if they can sufficiently out-innovate. That remains to be seen, of course. Personally I think WP 8 will be very good on mobiles and tablets, they'll learn a little, release some updates, what have you. Won't be a great time on Desktop, though.

My point is in a year or two, it's impossible to say if Windows Phone 8 might take off and catch up - Apple hasn't exactly been innovating anyone's faces off lately, and Android's still trying to get its shiat together hardware in some ways.
 
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