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(Wisconsin Gazette)   Another megachurch pastor goes down, this time on a teenage girl   (wisconsingazette.com) divider line 121
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2012-08-03 10:26:56 AM

trappedspirit: Wait...so being promiscuous has nothing to do with trying to force celibacy for Jesus? Who knew.


This fellow married the youngest daughter of the founder of this mega church thing and when his daddy in law died he took over.

It's kind of like an arranged marriage I suppose (which is one of the 7 or 8 types of "biblical marriage" so it's all ok on that front.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's been plowing little girls the whole time though. That's the thing about loveless arranged marriages, one or both is probably satisfying their needs elsewhere...
 
2012-08-03 11:02:15 AM

TheMysticS: Dahnkster: Here's a listy of some of the great Hammond B artists.
This next one's gonna be a couple's skate.

Good threadjacking!
Hammond B ftw. Nothing else sounds quite as good...

Ok, now- reverse all-skate!


Excellent list, BTW. I've long been a fan of Jimmy Smith.

Oddly enough, growing up in the South, I don't associate the Hammond with skate rinks but with churches, primarily black churches. The Hammond was relatively inexpensive compared to the Allen organs that most white churches had. The first time I heard a Hammond (with a Leslie cabinet, no less) was at the Mt Moriah AME church in Harlowe, NC. The dad of one of my school pals taught piano during the week and played at church on the weekends and at revivals. Visiting their house, I heard some of my first "Devil's music" in his album collection - Booker T and Jimmy Smith - and Ray Charles.

Of course, this was back in the day when church leaders were ignorant, and spent their time taking care of their communities. They hadn't yet realized their mission was to diddle the kids and bilk the adults out of their retirement pay.
 
2012-08-03 11:15:36 AM
Keith Emerson was an expert in abusing his organ:
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2012-08-03 11:22:33 AM
2 Peter 2:1
there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord
 
2012-08-03 11:23:44 AM

Icetech3: Christianity itself is a cult... jesus freaks believe in a invisible friend that guides their lives... that is just as ridiculous as Scientology and any other "cultic" type institutions....


Comparisons, not quite your forte, I see.
 
2012-08-03 11:25:39 AM
My sister in law and her family attend that church, and their oldest daughter is enrolled at the university Schaap was president of. The article linked to steps too lightly in terms of what he's been accused of (and almost certainly did, there's pretty overwhelming evidence, such as photos of himself and the girl in question: http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-08-02/pervy-pastor-photographed-himself- with-a-teen-girl-had-sex-with-her/). As one commentator put it, "The FBI doesn't get involved when you have an affair with an adult."

Perhaps the most pathetic thing is how many of the sermons and statements I've read commenting on this talk about "their sadness for this man and his family" and "forgive him for his sin" and wish to remind us "we can all be tempted". In other words, HE'S a great man of God who was led astray by a shameless hussy agent of Satan. He's the victim, not the criminal.

This is an ongoing problem at the church in question: http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2012/08/isolated-incidents-completely- unrelated-to-all-the-others-just-like-it/

There's plenty of links and more details in the comment threads to this post, which broke the story: http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2012/07/lasts-gasps/

Any pretense of being "responsive" or "open" is false; the pastors lied, outright, to the congregation, claiming that Schaap was "on medical leave" when they knew he wasn't. They are now trying to get people to "come forward" and talk to the Church's lawyers -- NOT the police or the FBI. In movies, this is the equivalent of the Evil CEO asking the naive and ethical employee, "You've found signs that someone is dumping toxic mutagens near the nursery school? Why, why, that's horrible! Horrible! I'll stop this right away. Uhm... have you mentioned this to anyone else?" (In the background, we see the CEO's goon squad drawing their guns.)

No matter how often crap like this happens, most of the people in the church still "retain their faith". I'm not sure if that's a testament to the power of humans to cling to their higher ideals, or the power of human stupidity. Possibly both.
 
2012-08-03 11:30:05 AM

heili skrimsli: MythDragon: I prefer to look at it as bianary.

What the fark is this 'bianary' that you speak of?


It's a canary that swings both ways.
 
2012-08-03 11:33:12 AM
Exactly my concern, Lizard_SF. HAC and FBC have both had sex scandals in their not-too-distant past, and almost always the concern was for the Man O' GAWD and his family, his
ministry, hislegacy but for the victims-nada, bupkes, zilch. This is the source of my well-nigh irrational hatred of Hyles and all those associated with him.
/BTW, I am still a Christian, just not a fundamentalist. Used to think they were one and the same
//thank God I am free, free, free!
///do the right thing, HAC/FBC, even if you haven't had much practice with it
 
2012-08-03 11:51:17 AM
Yah, these guys're doing more than just fleecing the flock, aren't they?
 
2012-08-03 11:53:12 AM
According to the bible, he now has to marry his rape victim.
 
2012-08-03 12:00:38 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: FirstNationalBastard: Shocking. Just shocking.

...normally they go down on boys.

My first thought, too - there must be some mistake here.


On his part - more than a few 14y/o girls may be confused with a 14y/o boy.
 
2012-08-03 12:25:41 PM
Dammit, I was keeping my fingers crossed for it to be someone from LifeChurch. That place is setting up franchises like crazy, usually in old shopping centers (old Wal-Marts, etc.). I just want that place to die. The ones near the hood are used as free babysitting on Wed. nights, and the kids tend to be a nuisance to nearby business when they congregate and wait on their ride.
 
2012-08-03 12:56:55 PM
/CSB

The wife and I lived in that area about 8 years ago. A door to door Jesus sales couple came through, and invited us to the church. We were new to the area, so we went. Service was huge and impersonal - the preacher was on a huge stage in front and used a PA system that would put most concerts to shame. They had a baptismal that opened up high in the wall and they cycled through a line of "bus converts" while music blared.

Afterwards, we went to a bible study class with the sales couple, where the "highpoint" was a visit from the preacher himself. My wife and I agree that he was the single most oily person we've ever met - before or since. He was sickeningly unctuous, and sleezy to boot. But what was truely nauseating was the way the church members fawned all over him. It was creepy as hell, and we never went back.

When I clicked on this article, I was shocked when I recognized the church - and it's sleeze master in chief. I must say, I feel like my first impression af him was validated.
 
2012-08-03 01:02:11 PM

CeroX: I live a few miles away from a mega-church that used to have a giant foam statue of jesus sinking in the mud... a stand up comic wrote a song about it called "big butter jesus" because the foam is yellow. That thing got struck by lightning a couple of years ago and burned like a great polluting pyre of justice.... And while this "church" does some community charitable things... the smugness and hubris that pulsates from that building is gut turning... and the mansion that dude lives in is ridiculous...


When I lived in Fallon, NV. there is a mega church there. Fallon is a hub town. Not a big one. I was invited by a coworker to attend their church. I am not a religious person, so being nice I went to one of the Sunday services. I could not believe how huge this church was and that there were enough people to support it. The place was packed. I realized then why the more traditional churches in town were not that full on Sunday. What I disliked about the mega church the money push, the atmosphere it was like being at a religious pop/rock concert playing as they passed the plate (with that many people it took awhile), then a few words from the minister, a little about god and more on how every church goers must donate so that the church and its functions would be covered and then every one went home. This coordinated show took a whole hour and everyone was done. I was so disgusted by this, I never went back.
 
2012-08-03 01:09:54 PM

shanrick: It's pretty bad when you have to clarify by saying "Another Megachurch Pastor".


No, it's pretty predictable. And yes, I was surprised it was hetero stat rape.
 
2012-08-03 02:37:13 PM

sonorangal: CeroX: I live a few miles away from a mega-church that used to have a giant foam statue of jesus sinking in the mud... a stand up comic wrote a song about it called "big butter jesus" because the foam is yellow. That thing got struck by lightning a couple of years ago and burned like a great polluting pyre of justice.... And while this "church" does some community charitable things... the smugness and hubris that pulsates from that building is gut turning... and the mansion that dude lives in is ridiculous...

When I lived in Fallon, NV. there is a mega church there. Fallon is a hub town. Not a big one. I was invited by a coworker to attend their church. I am not a religious person, so being nice I went to one of the Sunday services. I could not believe how huge this church was and that there were enough people to support it. The place was packed. I realized then why the more traditional churches in town were not that full on Sunday. What I disliked about the mega church the money push, the atmosphere it was like being at a religious pop/rock concert playing as they passed the plate (with that many people it took awhile), then a few words from the minister, a little about god and more on how every church goers must donate so that the church and its functions would be covered and then every one went home. This coordinated show took a whole hour and everyone was done. I was so disgusted by this, I never went back.


csb:
I was raised in a southern pentecostal style church, minus the snakes... When I was dragged to church, it lasted from 8:30am to 12:30pm followed by a community picnic... Every Sunday, it was the same thing, opening prayer, followed by one guy doing a solo hymn, then a community hymn. then the opening sermon by the moderator, about 30 minutes, and he closed his sermon with a request for donations. To donate, you had to take the money up to a basket and drop it in, and next to the basket, they had another basket of worther's orignal carmel hard candy. My parents would give me a $5 or $10 dollar bill and i would go up, grab candy and come back. After that was 4 hours of guest sermons. The only other time the church asked for donations was when a member died and they wanted to collect for a flower arrangement...
Then, when i was in junior high my friend and neighbor invited me to attend the bigger community church in town. A girl in my class was the pastor's daughter, so a lot of my school mates attended. My first and only visit there, i walked into a huge auditorium, there was enough seating to have a balcony. There was a band, a movie screen, all sorts of stuff. I remember, this event vividly. When service started, the first thing they did was pass around these brass and velvet plates people were putting money in. I wasn't a member, so i passed the plate along... Then the pastor stood up and thrhough a booming sound system began a sermon, complete with slide show (didn't have powerpoint back then). There was also these flyers in the back of all the pews, and he kept referring to the flyers. When i looked, the flyers contained scriptures and definitions of how it applied to modern politics. After that, the collection plate was passed around again... This sort of routine went on for like an hour. Over the course of an hour, the collection plate was passed 3 times.

When he was done, he announced that the deacon would like to hold a sermon. then the deacon stood before the church and held a 30 minute sermon on tithing and how that the congregation was not giving enough, then the collection plate was passed around twice more in a row...

I will never forget that experience, and I knew then there was a difference between followers of christ, and christians.
 
2012-08-03 03:59:07 PM
www.wisconsingazette.com

I guess he needs another job when he's not filming Inspector Lewis

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2012-08-03 04:22:51 PM

biglot: Yah, these guys're doing more than just fleecing the flock, aren't they?


Apparently fleece on those being flocked is optional.
 
2012-08-03 04:33:56 PM
What, no love for Melvin Seals?

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That's my a Humboldt Hammonds chop done by one of my best friends. True B3 tone made portable putting an A100 in a custom road case that two guys can easily toss in the back of a van.
 
2012-08-03 05:46:28 PM
Wow, maybe the megachurch tend will end up being a good thing after all...

Think about it, the bigger the flock, the more attractive it is to a certain sort of smarmy opportunist.

And I still hold out faint hope that if enough of the flock have their noises rubbed in the truth long enough, they will be unable to continue believing in the charade...
 
2012-08-04 01:08:04 AM
Seeing stories like this make me glad I grew up as an atheist...
 
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